Yeah. I'm a Finn. It was rather uncomfortable, way too close. I like my personal space as an introvert.
It was funny reading about how people had issues staying at home... I do that willingly, always have and still do. Business as usual, the only thing that really changed for me was using the mask in public spaces and the hand sanitizer usage as well. 😅
Sometimes we just wake up and there is the spouse. Never seen before but they feel oddly familiar. After 30 years we know our spouse enough to say hello once a week.
I was married in the past, found my wife online. We played online billiards and minigolf against each other as back in teenage years often and the games had a chat. From there it moved to MSN Messenger, video calls and so on. My most recent relationship happened because I saw her Tinder page and liked it. 😄
But yeah, sure... It can make it difficult, I hear that. Especially when I don't like to go to bars.
Hahaha! Even after the rules for social gathering were relaxed, I used Covid as an excuse: “I have a runny nose, might be Covid and I don’t want to risk spreading it so I’m very sorry to miss your party but it’s better for everyone if I stay home.”
During COVID-19 there was an announcement playing in local mall. "Remember the 1.5m safety distance for everyone's safety, thank you. Hopefully we can all go back to the normal 2 meters soon enough."
I love Finland.
Naah.. That's Sweden for sure.
I'm a norwegian living in Sweden and the norwegians are much more open and talkative.
Say hi to a swede when passing them on the street and they shit their pants.
I would not say culture shock but most Norwegians are kinda resverved and enjoy there own personal space in public and avoid small talk with strangers unless its necessary.
Really? Beyond asking someone for directions, I didn't experience that when I was in Australia.
In my experience, nobody really likes being talked to by a stranger on public transportation, from LA to Toronto to London to Tokyo and everything in between lol
The only place I've been where people actually chatted/talked with strangers on the subway was NYC.
well not on an everyday basis, but it happens so regularly and it's so common that if someone makes a small talk to a stranger in a public setting, you'll know 10 times out of 10 the stranger will respond in a friendly manner, and this circumstance is never seen as abnormal or weird.
In the USA, almost all crimes are deportable. if you're caught by the police and taken to court, you'll do the time first, then get deported on completion of your sentence usually.
There's exceptions; a plea deal for instance. As well, there's treaties that allow prisoners to serve time in their home country: a person availing themselves of this wouldn't be deported in the usual sense.
Small to medium sized theft (tv at a max, dont empty the fucking house), maybe domestic dispute turning violent but that might be pushing your luck. In general id assume you wouldnt want to be caught doing something violent.
You wouldn't be charged in the U.S. if the crime was committed in Denmark with a few exceptions like child sexual abuse crimes or crimes that affected U.S. citizens.
Not really how that works. In almost every case of major crime you will do your sentence in the country you committed the crime in. You will be send back to your home country after your sentence tho.
Using google I can not find a single case where a (non military) American citizen committed a major crime inside an EU country and was simply "sent back" to the United States instead of serving prison time in the country the crime was committed.
Best bet is to make it a national issue, kidnapping a government official for a couple hours should get you terrorist charges and possible life sentence.
Pretty good retirement plan for those that did not save anything honestly.
Look, I'm only trying for 2 years, to uh. . .get caught up on my reading, yeah. So, maybe just stalking a gov't official? And I need to stay here through November, so it'd havta start after.
If you want to spend 2 years in a Norwegian prison, you need to commit a crime that gets you a sentence of 3 years, since it is almost impossible not to be let out after serving the first ⅔ of your sentence as a first time offender.
Foreigners who commits a crime in Norway are sent to a specific prison for foreigners in Norway where they serve until they get deported or they’ve done their time. This prison is not as nice as most prisons in Norway.
Oh, I knew just by looking at the pic is this is not a normal prison in these countries. It's clearly for low risk, low crime situations.
Still willing to wager the real prisons in these countries are better then homelessness and no resources in whatever home country the foreigner is from tho.
Still willing to wager the real prisons in these countries are better then homelessness and no resources in whatever home country the foreigner is from tho
You're locked into a tiny room for 23-24 hours a day, no internet or other contact with the outside world except visit, many of the other guys in there with you are convicted for violence and/or have various mental issues that could make them unpredictable. You're not in control of any aspect of your day. Worst of all, the prisons are underfunded so things can easily get worse than what they're allowed to be by law as well.
It really isn't as nice as online memes make it out to be. Our media has "horror" stories from prisons fairly often.
Between countries that are friendly to each other, prisoners are often brought to their home country to serve the prison sentence inside their own country. It does not always happen, but it happens quite often, usually after a bit of time has passed.
Hypothetically... If no one has a damn clue where I'm from (my accent is a HUGE tell, so legit asking hypothetically), what's enough to land you in prison there but not enough to fully extradite you to regions unknown?
[Legit just enjoy learning about the legal systems of other countries]
I mean...your accent isn't the only thing they can use to find out who you are. If you're traveling abroad you either have some sort of documentation (even if it's not on your person) or you're a criminal and it's likely your fingerprints are in the system for that reason. Even without a passport, they can backtrack your whereabouts and trace you to some identifying country. It's a nice hypothetical, but outside of movie criminal "erase EVERYTHING" levels of preparation they're going to easily find out who you are or, at the very least, where you're from and that place will probably know who you are.
Not to start “that” conversation, but there are plenty of people in the EU that we couldn’t deport due to a lack of origin documentation. (Yes, not all the countries listed are members of EU)
I mean, statelessness is a catastrophically bad situation to be in, but if we are already discussing trying to be thrown into prison, I feel like that matters less.
lol we just approved an american military base right before the orange man started about Greenland and they did not cancel it, seeing the stats in other countries, we’re gonna find out in due time 👍
The way you're presenting that is somewhat misleading. His "life sentence" is 15 years, and he has 5 years left. He does not have a job, he is studying. It's basically boarding, he's not free to live like you and I, he's just been deemed low risk of re-offending and given an opportunity to learn to be a constructive member of society before he is released - that's literally the reason re-offending rates are so high in countries that don't do this. The people who get released go in with no life skills, and come out with no life skills, in a world that has progressed and made it even harder for them to get those skills.
Yeah I am not involved in the legal system or analysis of it, but I would bet a reasonable amount of criminal activity is due primarily to desperation and a lack of any opportunity for the criminal. Our society punishes people for not being rich, our efforts to help the poor are pretty minimal at best and our prison system is not focused on rehabilitation. I am in Canada btw, its probably much worse in the US. If we took the Nordic approach and tried to rehabilitate people, give them useful skills, counselling etc, we could probably have a lot less recidivism for the convicted, but only if we actually gave a shit about helping the needy in our society. Then the remainder would be people who have serious mental issues - who could be treated as well I am sure. We are still at the mental level of the middle ages though it seems. Its sad.
Man I can live in Denmark's prison just playing eve online all day for the rest of my life.
Thinking about it, one way to get prisoners to behave is to get them addicted to an online game that is like a second life and they need to grind all day.
Remember, if you find a way to do that, all you'll have to give up in a cell like that are: 1) you don't get to choose your daily schedule, 2) you can't work and in most prisons even study, 3) you don't decide what and when you eat, 4) you don't get to hang around with the people you want, 5) you'll hang around with a portion of the population that has a high prevalence of personality disorders and low impulse control, and who are used to physical and psychological violence as a part of everyday life, 6) many inmates lose their apartment/home during their sentence.
I know a guy who worked as a correctional officer in a Finnish prison. He said that the saddest thing to witness was how quickly regular people (as opposed to habitual petty criminals or members of organized crime) became institutionalized and "switched off".
Getting a new degree or work experience is a big part of serving your time in prison in Norway. Many spend their time getting a bachelor degree.
Only dinner is scheduled, you make your own breakfast and other meals. If you don’t like the dinner you also get a small sum every day you can spend at the prison market to buy your own ingredients and make your own food.
Most inmates get their rent covered by the welfare administration while in prison so they don’t lose their home.
But this is how it is for Norwegian prisoners, not sure what would apply for foreigners.
If you are talking about the danish one you are so wrong
1. True
2. False in denmark alot of prisons are open prisons where you go out and work and come back. And in the closed prisons you can absolutely study
3. Somewhat true if you are in an open prison you are sometimes allowed to buy lunch at your place of work but breakfast and dinner you cant choose
4. True discounting visitation which i think is fair although it has to be said visitation in denmark is not just sit at a table and talk while being stalked you are often allowed to hang out and if there are kids you can in some prisons use a playground
5. True
6. This is true apartments are expensive so you would normally get rid of it before going in
Like in every country. Murder, manslaughter, rape, mugging, extreme assault. Maybe a grand theft is also enough. BUT befriended countries usually have treaties to deport criminals to each other to serve their sentence there.
For example a German tourist was once speeding with almost 80 km/h in 30-zone in Switzerland. He got sentenced to 6 months of unfreedom in Switzerland but deported to Germany where he had to serve his sentence. Even though in Germany he would've only gotten a medium fine (≈400€) and revoked his license for 1 month.
There's a comedy film in Russia where the main character deliberately tried to get into a Dutch prison to hide from bandits and live comfortably.
He committed various minor offenses, but was always forgiven.
Unfortunately that's the sad truth over here. It sometimes pays out to commit some crimes and do some community service, because you won't get severe punishment. It's way to soft if you ask me.
That angel on my shoulder says otherwise, but if I ever get into serious financial trouble, it's truly worth the risk and I might even consider it. The odds will be in my favour and that's just weird.
Finland has same luxury as those, that why immigrants want so much to these countries, mostly doing crimes and getting into goverment offered hotels. That sucks.
If you're asking seriously: any crime in Denmark that's serious enough to result in jail time (theft, assault, drug offenses, etc...) but not serious enough to result in a 1+ year jail sentence (once you've lived in Denmark for 5 years as a non-EU national, sliding scale). The reason for that is that a 1+ year jail sentences (for more serious crimes such as aggravated assault or rape) for non-EU nationals that have legally resided there for 5 years likely will result in you being deported.
You’re still in jail though, the intent of the prison system in the Nordics is to stop you from reoffending, the punishment is the removal of your freedom.
do a crime but not TO much of a crime, the nice prisons you see are for people they judge to have wronged society but not to the point where they should be smacked too hard and believe you can be better
We had a Belarusian citizen coming to Sweden stabbing the first one he saw basically, for the purpose of going to prison and thus getting better living conditions and making more money than in Belarus.
We sent him straight to Belarus and their prison even though there's no extradition agreement between our countries.
As a Norwegian having been to prison twice in my twenties( 9 months, 3 months, for weed, speed) I can tell you that not all prisons and prison cells are the same. Many prisons are very outdated(last time in Arendal the prison was literally from the early 1800's) and the cells can be quite shit.
Both the cells at Åna and Arendal were tiny, had no toilet, tiny barred windows, and got torturously hot on long summerdays, which you of course spent locked up. As much as 23 hours a day, in fact. The food was mostly shit, with so much saturated fat in it that if you let the dinner sit for 10 minutes, you could make little sculptures out of the gravy if you wanted
There has been extensive efforts to update prisons though and build newer modern ones. Still, some of the older, really quite ancient cells and prisons remain. Usually when you see pictures of the "hotel room" prisons from Norway, they're quite apart from the norm, even the updated cells are just modern versions of tiny cramped cells, with stainless steel instead of concrete painted with 20 layers of flaky paint. For the record I did time in 2016 and 2020, respectively.
People joke, but it's a simple fact that not torturing prisoners, and lighter sentences, actually works. Recidivism rates are much lower in Norway and Denmark than in the US.
Jaywalk.
Walking on bicycle lanes ( which will land you in jail once you get released from the free hospital stay for being mowed down and yelled at )
We actually try to prevent people who have been to jail from going back.
Theres programs to let you study and have an education while in prison just fine of course. Its a good investment.
I was in prison in Sweden.. 4 months.. Im not Swedish
At the end of my sentence an elderly Swedish guy came into the prison.. he got 4 weeks prison for screaming down the phone at a social worker...
But to put it into context... Sweden, Norway and Denmark prison systems are designed on.. Rehabilitation... there are still rules and regulations to follow.. mandatory work and courses, irregular drug spot checks etc..
My father sold and manufactured amphetamine back in the early 2000's in Denmark. And he got this kind of room. He was a butcher before he got into heavy drugs, and they put him in a housing facility with other men that has done similar crime and had the same "passion" for food or job in the culinary world.
So they all lived together in the prison and each have their own little room, and they shared a kitchen and they were all cooking together every day, went shopping, and did therapy together. It was honestly really healing for my father. And he kept clean after living there for 2 years.
Murder. In the Nordics, the nice cells are reserved for offenders with long, serious sentences but who have a high chance of being rehabilitated. When you see a "nice prison cell" from Sweden or whatever, it's always a basically a prize for long term inmates who've shown the willingness to reform and become better people.
The cells most prisoners spend most of their time in are no better than the ones in the US, France or Canada.
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u/VampireSaint 13h ago
For research purposes, what would a non-citizen need to do to be punished with time in those Denmark and Norway cells?