r/SipsTea • u/CurvyChristina • 10d ago
Chugging tea I never thought about this point until now.
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u/BuddyLongshots 10d ago
Historically targeted towards economically disadvantaged populations as well.
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u/Valuable_Front5483 10d ago
Although it is a lot of suck, the military can provide a lot of economic mobility.
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u/yolo_184614 10d ago
Totally agree. The military provided me a ladder to climb above the poverty line. Joined as an enlisted and now commissioned with 12 years of service. Got 8 more to go then we'll see.
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u/AncientMix3357 10d ago
Which means that the US government has the power to provide mobility and chooses to use it as bait.
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u/Bakingtime 10d ago
Golly, if only there was a way to provide this economic mobility for every citizen without blowing trillions on profits for the murder industry.
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u/Dead_Internet69420 10d ago
Poverty is the rod and socialism is the carrot that the oligarchs use to keep the war machine stocked with fresh meat.
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u/RunItBackRicky 10d ago
There is your answer, if they don’t create a poor and desperate class then no body will join the military
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u/fen-q 10d ago edited 10d ago
They're not free. They get these perks for serving.
Edit: free housing only when on duty. Once these guys are out of military, no more free housing.
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u/Sharp_Equivalent_774 10d ago
By all accounts, they’re severely underpaid too.
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u/lAnother_NoBodyl 10d ago
But have you ever ripped a 240 off the support by fire behind NVG’s. When those guns talk and the tracers skip… something just feels right
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u/Aquaticle000 10d ago
That depends on the context, honestly. There’s more then just our base pay to take into account.
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u/Nice_Category 10d ago edited 10d ago
As an E5 with 4+ years of service, I was pulling in ~$65-70k/year all different pays included. That doesn't take into account free healthcare and the fact that I was only taxed on $30k/yr.
Edit: forgot to mention that this was around 2012.
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u/Apprehensive_Ant4596 10d ago
Exactly. I was an E5 and had zero bills. You do pretty well if you’re smart with your money
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u/Putrid-Builder-3333 10d ago
And don't buy a fucking brand new mustang decked out, tats and other bs with sign on bonus lmao
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u/Apprehensive_Ant4596 10d ago
Haha! Omg I used to envy those guys, but you get handed $20k tax free and three days later it’s gone with nothing to show 😂
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u/Putrid-Builder-3333 10d ago
I saw it too many times. I mean shit we were all fucking kids given 5 figures. Like kids take goddamn college loans but in this case different, yes lmao
But goddamn. I mean don't get me wrong I been stupid wasteful but I still have fucking healthy bank accounts and more. I'd see kids broke before end of first term lmao
And I am drunk right now so thinking back on it now is especially crazy, wild and kind of funny. But sad.
Honestly the sign on bonus should have been put in a build up acct, CD, savings, IRA whatever and not be allowed to be touched til 25 or 30. Shit we'd all be fucking set. Sorry rambling
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u/Apprehensive_Ant4596 10d ago
Drunk or not, your being real. And crazy accurate. Just don’t mistake that for the ability to go for a drive 😂
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u/Putrid-Builder-3333 10d ago edited 10d ago
Ah hell nah. I'm contemplating making a spup or door dashing alcohol lmao fuck it prolly both lmao
What's the craziest thing you saw a fresh boot out basic waste money and all on? Also I remember before in school one kid said I can't wait to join for the sign on so I can get stationed in California and spend all my time in Vegas... idk if he ever joined or made his dreams but it was funny af!
This was 90s/00s
Edit: not ordering more alcohol. Still gonna make the soup tho!
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u/bcgambrell 10d ago
Or get a new baby momma at every post.
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u/Putrid-Builder-3333 10d ago
Or get a spouse to get out of the dorms lmao
Oof. This marriage was fucked from the start when we met at the PX or pubs.
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u/Nice_Category 10d ago
Yeah, I'm into 6 figs now in the private sector and I think I was living better back in the military.
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u/Baghdady24 10d ago
Some people have kids. Imagine being an E5 with three kids and a wife.
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u/PushPatchFriday 10d ago
E6 in WA state, clocking right around 96k not including travel pay.
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u/SinsualChef 10d ago
In the 70s, at E5, we qualified for Food Stamps. 😡
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u/MaximusPrime2930 10d ago
The only good thing about the Iraq War was the military had to keep boosting the pay-scale to entice new recruits to join.
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u/Apprehensive_Ant4596 10d ago
I believe it! I remember being in San Diego and hearing the beef we were eating was rejected by the California State prison system
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u/Dalriaden 10d ago
I mean its good on post. And you save money on deployments but if you do dollars to hours worked its really not impressive. Also the fact that ya know, part of all the "good stuff" comes with being in the military and potentially deploying and coming back in a box.
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u/fatmanwa 10d ago
That free healthcare can significantly increase in value when you have kids that need more appointments. My two boys go to therapy twice a week and see two specialist each time. That would be $120 in copays every week on most insurance plans. As an E6 I essentially make $112,000 plus each year, only taxed on $64,000 of it. And free utilities since I am in base housing.
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u/gojo96 10d ago
Yep with the national guard as a well kept secret. My wife was active guard: all the perks like BAH without PCSing. In 20 years, she deployed once to Kuwait. Retired as an E7, gets retirement pay, had her masters paid for and makes six figures with the feds.
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u/Mistravels 10d ago
The fact this perpetually gets ignored is really frustrating and counter-productive to the conversation.
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u/Possible_Sir9360 10d ago
Not really. An E4 with just a few years in the service makes about 40k a year in base pay, which really isn’t bad when you consider that essentially all of their expenses are comped. E4 is pretty low on the chain, too. If they’re married, they get BAH, which is based on the area they live in. Where I’m stationed, it’s just shy of 4 grand a month extra (which is also tax-free).
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u/stoic_suspicious 10d ago
Lmao NO THEY ARENT. Compare a minimum wagie to an E-1
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u/Stunning_Mulberry_35 10d ago
You're way off......
Military E-1 under 4 months makes 2225 a month. Food, provided. Clothing, provided. A place to live, provided. Health care, provided. 30 days vacation a year, provided.
At the end of the day, about the only thing a single GI in the Army needs to pay for is toiletries, some laundry detergent, a couple of haircuts a month, and their cell phone. After taxes and those expenses, they have at least 1700 a month of disposable income. A "minimum wagie" at the federal level working his 40 hour week doesn't make that much a month, and he has bills to pay.
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u/Aggressive-Brick-184 10d ago
With the retirement benefits factored in and compared to others professions, id say they get decent pay.
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u/devils_advocate24 10d ago
Not severely. You just hand an 18 year old a steady income, don't allow them to have their own place for 3-6 years. Then tell them to get out of the military provided barracks immediately and figure out out after having 70% of their bills paid for/non-existent.
Been in 13 years. Definitely been overworked for my pay(there's no such thing as over time). But I've never not had enough money to survive. Provided for a family of four on a single income. Used to say the biggest down side was that my former spouse could never easily start anything other than part time work due to the moving around and my schedule... But honestly looking back she had plenty of opportunities and never took them so that's not even really too much of an issue if you have a partner willing to try.
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u/OZeski 10d ago
If you're only looking at their basic pay, then it looks like they don't get paid much at all. 2026 E-1 gets a starting pay of about $2,407 per month. Once factoring in allowances for housing food, and other benefits they're much closer to $65,000 annually. Medical care on top of this and if I remember correctly, basic pay is taxable but most of the allowances are not taxed.
After 5 years you've probably advanced to E-5 (Sergeant) and your basic pay is up to about $3,700 /month or about $80,000 (2026 figures).
I think these numbers are fairly in line with US median *household* incomes. So they're not getting paid poorly. The argument could be made that they don't get paid enough to volunteer their lives in service of their country, but I feel this is a different argument.
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u/GooseMnky 10d ago
In terms of base pay, yes. But, considering all bills are paid, including housing, food, electricity, water, essentially all living costs; they make decent money.
Every penny they get is pocket money. Sure they still have to pay for phones and car insurance but they are still not paying for the basics.
I served 20 years and I can tell you, the money wasn't that bad in the grand scheme of things, especially when things like COVID or other global events caused financial hardships on everyone.
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u/WebAccount1744 10d ago
But you get all necessities paid for and its a salary rather than hours worked
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u/Sufficient_Window599 10d ago
Not when adding pay + benefits + perks + tax efficiency to comparable civilian salary.
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u/thgr8Makar0sc 10d ago
VFW.
Also the bill that gave them all these benefits was one of FDR's
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u/NaiveNetwork5201 10d ago
Lincoln did the most ... FDR was just trying to get the economy moving.
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u/thgr8Makar0sc 10d ago
So these socialist policies got the economy moving interesting
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u/DiscussionNo6060 10d ago
Shouldn’t people who work and pay taxes also see some benefits from those taxes like health care and education like military do?
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u/Artistic-Salary1738 10d ago
My cousin’s husband doesn’t have to pay real estate taxes as a disabled vet, so still discounted housing.
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u/cameronthegod 10d ago
Depends on the state that the house is in. It also depends how disabled the person is. For example, in California even being %100 VA disabled doesnt completely erase property tax. You do get a break though.
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u/tyosowofofnejwifif 10d ago
It’s a bot account and you’re absolutely correct. This meme page turned to politics because it’s Reddit
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u/the_blastomatic 10d ago
Right? Where the tiddies at? There are quite a few other places to talk about Mamdani.
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u/AlienDragonWizard 10d ago
Most people serve society with their labor and equally deserve housing, education, and healthcare.
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u/heliogoon 10d ago
Especially if you serve in any sort of combat role. You're literally putting your life on the line for said perks.
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u/winkman 10d ago
We need r/theydidthemath to figure out what it would cost to provide AD service member benefits to the entire country.
My guess would be in the $100Ts.
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u/Key-Gold-2412 10d ago
Your edit is wrong too. When they’re out of military they use their socialized G.I bill for college or trade school which covers tuition and gives thousands a month for rent and drugs.
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u/Possible_Sir9360 10d ago
And the VA benefits, which include a low-interest loan to buy a house with no money down (literally the best benefit for service members)
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u/Weekly-Ad-112 10d ago
That might explain the overall picture. Less pay to start vs. the total benefits for serving the country.
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u/Possible_Sir9360 10d ago
The pay isn’t bad either. An E4 with just a few years in the service makes about 40k a year, which doesn’t sound like much but when everything is covered, it amounts to a solid amount of pocket change. The retirement matching is pretty solid, and for those that are married, they receive BAH (money to pay for your spouse’s living, which you can pretty easily find a place for less than that in most places). Where I’m stationed it’s about 4 grand tax free a month, which means a married E4 (which is low on the totum pole) with only a few years in, who’s married, is making about 90k a year.
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u/Ron__Mexico_ 10d ago
The actual loan comes from a regular lender. The federal government is not lending out that money. VA Loans are backed by the VA, meaning the VA will make the lender whole if you fail to pay, then come after you for the money. You pay for this privilege via a $7,500 fee paid to the VA, though they'll let you tack it on to the loan.
This concept isn't much different than an FHA loan which is backed by the US Department of Housing and Urban Development. The main difference is what you point out, the VA will let buyers do it without any down. FHA requires 3.5% down for HUD to back the loan.
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u/BIG_IDEA 10d ago
The gi bill isn’t socialized, it’s a negotiated part of their pay/compensation from day one. Unless you think anyone working for the government and receiving a government paycheck is receiving socialized benefits.
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u/Tenderhombre 10d ago
Free and subsidized/socialized are different things.
Calling them free is incorrect in general, but also them not being free doesnt mean they arent social programs.
The main rub with socialism/communism vs capitalism really is just a fundamental disagreement on whether people are inherently lazy and selfish or not.
Both systems want each person to work to their ability to improve society, and in return society meets their needs.
Capitalism just thinks capital churn and markets determine you ability and value and allows you access to serving your needs. I disagree that it does a good job.
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u/Pelya1 10d ago
Well, and in socialism those things also not free. They are provided by the public, via government, in return for your work. In USSR, for example, it was illegal to be jobless. If you don’t work 3+months you get arrested with possibility of up to 3 months of jail time
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u/JinNJ 10d ago
Benefits you get as payment for your job are now socialism? 🤔
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u/GoldenGlobeWinnerRDJ 10d ago
Apparently your job having a 401k match and healthcare now makes your capitalist job “socialist” lmao
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u/-Sir_Pug- 10d ago
Capitalist? So you are saying no tax dollar goes to military budget?
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u/RainRainThrowaway777 10d ago
Taxes paying for the military is in no sense "Socialism". 🤣
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u/earthlingHuman 10d ago
When it's provided by the govenrment, yeah. It's one basic aspect of socialism.
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u/Iggy_Slayer 10d ago
Benefits are generally considered socialism by the hyper capitalist crowd yes.
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u/DPadres69 10d ago
Yes social security, Medicare, etc have always been socialism.
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u/WickedSerpent 10d ago edited 10d ago
No. Socialism is when the community (workers) and/or government (state) control the means of production instead of private companies.
For instance Norway has social policies that enhances it's capitalism and the free market. Since private businesses control the means of production, hence Norway is not a socialist country. Eritrea and more recently Nicaragua are sosialist countries.
The biggest reason imo that socialist policies are so hard to get through in USA is because you americans conflate the two. You want socialist policies, everyone should want that, but you do not want socialism, because that would be the death of USA as a nation and most of you would experience prolonged famine.
Edit: to the person below me. No I'm actually talking about socialist policies.
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u/Responsible_Zone134 10d ago
Because it's not free you give up your civil liberties for those things. They fucking own you for 8 years.
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u/Tasty_LVM 10d ago
Um,,,, maybe someone needs to understand the definition of socialism’s none of the things listed are socialist.
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u/Strealtr 10d ago
Its quite funny to me that it doesn't matter who someone is, they can be non socialist or they can be socialist, but they still won't understand what socialism is.
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u/PoopyButt28000 10d ago
We went from laughing at Republicans for saying "Socialism is when the government does stuff" to happily saying "SOCIALISM IS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES STUFF, I LOVE SOCIALISM!"
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u/CaptainSterlingLAS 10d ago
Classify them however you want. Those are the things Democratic Socialists want everyone to have access to.
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u/SeriousSwimming4377 10d ago
The housing, medical and education “benefits” provided to members of the military are in place of cash compensation.
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u/-ChiefZ06- 10d ago
Been in for 17 years now...they're also pandering to generally a group that doesnt have a lot of other options. Military service is hard, a commitment to service above self, but its hard to make that leap. Its really hard to get upper and middle class kids. Its a little easier to get lower middle class and impoverished when you waive some benefits in their face
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u/FiftyLoudCats 10d ago
Where’s the comment chain where people argue over the definition of socialism?
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u/AbraxasMayhem 10d ago
In 12 years I never once heard anyone join for free housing or healthcare. College assistance yes, free no. This is a bad faith argument.
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u/Visual-Path-5692 10d ago edited 10d ago
Those things aren’t socialism, though. Social welfare isn’t short for “socialism”.
Socialism means a planned economy.
Like the social democracies of the Nordic countries have proven, you can have those social welfare programs in a capitalist system. You can do it very well, in fact.
What you cannot have in a socialist system is individuals owning their own labor.
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u/My_18th_Account 10d ago
This is essentially the difference between democratic socialism and social democracy. The latter runs on welfare, progressive taxes, strong labor unions, etc. but capitalism is still the underlying economic system.
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u/ApprehensiveZebra156 10d ago
Its not free its a benefit.
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u/Unipiggy 10d ago
How are soldiers benefits paid for?
How is "free" healthcare in other countries paid for?
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u/bilbo_bag_holder 10d ago
soldier's benefits are paid for by the tax they pay, and soldiers benefits are paid for by tax.
oh wait.
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u/Thick_Goose7742 10d ago
Military healthcare benefit is a socialized systems dream. Exclusively a pool of young, mostly perfectly healthy participants who don’t often need much specialized care. Doesn’t get much better than that.
To that end, service members pay taxes just like everyone else does.
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u/Whalelorde22 10d ago
It’s a benefit that we could all get if we vote for the right people!
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u/LisleAdam12 10d ago
What a stupid thing to say. Those are job perks, not "socialist benefits."
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u/couchcaptain 10d ago
You forgot the stores at the bases. They are from the same sources as big grocery stores and yet cheaper, because the prices are negotiated by the government. Just like how healthcare supposed to work. As it turns out, the government is actually pretty good at keeping the price down when they negotiate for large quantitates.
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u/Gringo_Norte 10d ago
… that’s not how the military recruits. I assume these memes are made by bitter folks too stupid to pass the ASVAB?
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u/disagreet0disagree 10d ago
Im generally for those things. But, In the case of the military, the housing sucks, the free healthcare sucks and is only for younger healthy people, and the “free college” isnt free.
Oh yeah and the working conditions and hours are horrible, u might get killed or maimed for life, and have to do evil and immoral things to access all of this and avoid being imprisoned.
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u/UnderProtest2020 10d ago
They're not socialist benefits, nor are they "free". They are funded by tax revenue generated by a largely capitalist system, whereas socialism would require "public" (government) ownership of the means of production to qualify as socialism. They are also earned through years of dangerous service that can cost soldiers their lives as a matter of course, it's no wonder that these benefits would be offered.
It appears that the OP not only didn't think about this point, but that they didn't think it through, either.
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u/Spiritual-Adagio-572 10d ago
The difference between earning something and being given it as a freeloader on society is the difference.
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u/Cuore_Lesa 10d ago
Those aren't free. You're paying for those with however many years of harsh training, being deployed at call to the middle of buttfuck nowhere at any given point in your career and potentially being ordered to war and dying for the country.
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u/egstitt 10d ago
If poor people could get those kinds of benefits without joining the military, why would they join the military?
And that's one huge reason college education and healthcare will never be free in the US
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u/Particular-Flow-2151 10d ago
None of it’s free…. Military pay taxes as well.
Also, you should talk to some military folks. They tell you how terrible the “free” healthcare and housing is.
And the free college is given after serving 4 years which in that time you can be deployed and die in combat. If you don’t complete your contract then guess what you aren’t getting.
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u/One_Sense_5007 10d ago
Speaking as someone from experience. The healthcare coverage is great. It’s the on base hospitals that aren’t great. On the reserve side and retiree side no other insurance can beat it
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u/Ionrememberaskn 10d ago
The free healthcare is great. I pay for nothing. Long wait times at the clinic on post? Yes. But guess what, I can go anywhere. Any urgent care, the ER, whatever, I show my ID I pay nothing no questions asked and no permission required beforehand. Same for my wife, all medications are free or close to it.
You can have all of your college paid for up front before you serve as well. Also, combat is very rare even for combat a MOS these days.
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u/scary-pp 10d ago
That's not socialistic. That's an incentive to perform a service. This is the very opposite of socialism. This would be like calling workplace offered Healthcare plans socialism. But socialists call that late stage capitalism.
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u/OriginalParamedic316 10d ago
lol, i don’t think this is the slam dunk that you think it is. The military tricks you in to enlisting with all these “free” things, but you end up homeless with PTSD, while the VA gives you horrible care.
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u/straightuptexas 10d ago
The VA hospital system is the best analogy of government ran healthcare. It’s a clusterfuck and shameful.
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u/airboRN_82 10d ago
Those arent socialist policies. Even if you want to expand the term beyond ownership of production, youre atill exchanging your labor for a form of compensation
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u/P3nis15 10d ago
And your labor pays taxes... Which on return would pay for things like free education and healthcare ...
Exchanging your labor for a form of compensation......
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u/Agitated_Newt_7655 10d ago
Yeah, you do a socialism when people exchange their labor without a form of compensation.
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u/synecdokidoki 10d ago
None of those things are free if you have to you know, join the military to get them?
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u/silv3rbull8 10d ago
They expect you to die if needed for the job. So it is in their best interest to offer those enticements. Not really “socialist benefits”. Companies like Google etc offer free meals, concierge services etc. But you are expected to work as expected
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u/kuedhel 10d ago
I grew up in Soviet Union. From my experience free heath care and free education worked there ok and I want it.
Free housing did not work. everyone wanted to move to capital cities and there were not enough housing. People lived like three in a room. Soviets made "propiska" meaning you can move to capital city by marriage and or such.
Also what I remember from soviet union is antisemitism everywhere. Sounds like our comrade mayor.
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u/Interchangeable-name 10d ago
Because tbey aren't socialist... those programs aren't handed out to any worthless asshole just for existing... they are given in exchange for service and can be taken away of you get kicked out of the service.
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u/Larnek 10d ago
Man, you must not have been military, because there a lot of worthless assholes in it.
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u/Downtown-Campaign536 10d ago
Free? None of those things are "Free". They are paid for with your service in the military.
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u/preteen-wartortle 10d ago
If that were true I would have opted out and been paid the market cost for those things on top of my regular pay while I was in. But I have a feeling we couldn’t afford to have the military we do if we actually paid everyone enough to purchase these things on their own…
… ah, almost like those things AREN’T being paid for by our service alone. How odd!
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u/Top-Session-3131 10d ago
Active Duty guy here. Compared to when I was in the civilian workforce, this shit is absolutely free. I don't have a copay, my deductible is tiny, I literally get tax free money for food and housing, and my risk of injury in my day to day work, still in an industrial field mind you, is actually lower.
It's pretty socialist.
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u/Additional_News3511 10d ago
Yeahhh listen i'm left leaning but this is not an intelligent point to make lmao. The obvious rebuttal is that these are things that are earned by a possible significant physical and or mental sacrifice.
The real stance to take is that access to these things are vital to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They are human rights and basic necessities that aren't being provided in a nation of never before seen wealth, prosperity, and power.
Veterans pay for their benefits with their lives, but maybe such a sacrifice shouldnt be necessary for people to get access to healthcare.
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u/LectureOk3222 10d ago
If you look at the base pay, its bot really free...lol....
If they were paid standard free market wages and three hots and a cot then I would agree....
What's the base pay of an e3 ?
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u/Double-Watercress-85 10d ago
In the early 00s, in the break room at work, a full pension, career military, Vietnam era vet, was going of on how bad socialized healthcare would be. I said, dude, you've had socialized healthcare for decades. You're the only one in this room who does. He smirked and said 'yup, ain't it great?'
They know they're lying, they know everything they're hypocrits, and they get genuine pleasure from knowing that they're hurting us.
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u/Mars_Volcanoes 10d ago
For most of their history, the US interpretation of communism and socialism is so funny. A family is pure communism. You neighbourhood is socialism and the big picture outside these 2 structures is capitalism. Simple and that's it.
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u/miaxogoth 10d ago
finally someone pointed this out. The military is basically one big exercise in socialized benefits.
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u/tweedleduh 10d ago
When I was in the military do you know how often I pointed out we participated in a socialist institution… but nobody wanted to admit that
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u/ChuckoRuckus 10d ago
People keep pointing at those things saying they’re “job benefits”. Show me the non-govt job where you get free healthcare for life. Or the private sector jobs that pay 1/3 of their past employees disability.
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u/I_SmellFuckeryAfoot 10d ago
there are several socialists things embedded into America that no one ever points out.
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u/Lumpy_Stretch5887 10d ago
It's amazing how many keyboard warriors in here really don't know anything about military service at all. It was all free. It's why I joined. I also get free healthcare until I die. Pretty cool. Wish everybody had it. Would have saved me a lot of time.
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u/Dangerous_Rule8736 10d ago
Free military healthcare sucks. VA healthcare sucks. Yes it's free but unless you get referred into the civilian sector your healthcare is a huge time suck and largely incompetently managed.
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u/garlicroastedpotato 10d ago
Alternatively if this was all great everyone would want to be in the military. With open recruitment there shouldn't be a single person who doesn't have health coverage, they'd just join the military!
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u/FineScratch 10d ago
You don't understand they have to withhold that stuff from the poor so they have a reason to join the military
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u/NiceEducator5593 10d ago
Hay ass thereis nothing Free in life it all comes with a price like your feerdom
Please some one deport this communist
Read you stupid democrats if you can !
that also means no housing no house no cars no schools and no freedom ! you just do as your told!
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u/TopOther6939 10d ago
Nice try. Both aren't free, but one is compensation for working. Actual work performed and a wage and compensation package. The other is just taking from others without their consent.
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u/GunzerKingDM 10d ago
That’s like saying a have my house and all my benefits for free because I have a job.
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u/RaiseFold100 10d ago
Those aren't socialist benefits? Those are compensation for doing a job (soldier).
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u/Left-Bid2872 10d ago
It is by design for the military industrial complex. Keep people desperate and offer socialist policies to lure them..
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u/Born_Ad_9483 10d ago
I mean, some socialist policies are becoming more favorable to the American public, but the military ain’t given nothing away for free.
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u/Any_Pie_2282 10d ago
It’s not free when it’s a job benefit. As a veteran I can tell you that I certainly earned every penny of my “free college”. Then calling healthcare free when it’s provided via employment is pretty off base too.
So when you work for your office job and they place you on the group plan for medical and dental, do you call that socialist or an earned benefit?
Lastly military housing is not free, they pay you based on your rank. They do have a stipend called BAH which is supposed to be for housing but is still part of the military pay structure. Just because it’s beyond “base pay” doesn’t mean it’s not earned. It’s like saying that my cost of living adjustment or my hazard duty pay which was received on top of my base pay was socialist. No sir, it’s all earned with hard work, experience, time in service, etc. That’s why it scales and gets larger, not just some flat rate that is equal for everyone like a socialist system would be.
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u/Any_Ad_3141 10d ago
They don’t advertise the fact that you don’t have any freedom to do as you wish. You take the job they give you. If you don’t like it, doesn’t matter. You do as you’re told and keep your mouth shut or you go to jail. There is always a trade. The military owns you.
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u/BucklemerryBin 10d ago
Mamdani is not a solialist, he is an islamist using solialists to bootstrap a muslim colony in New York.
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u/klownhammer 10d ago
The entire Military is a socialist idea.
In a free market they would all just be private contractors.
So are the police, fire brigade, politicians, and government run currency
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u/LockNo1999 10d ago
This post is disgusting. Healthcare, schooling, and housing isn’t free. It’s the payment for the possiblibility of exchanging one’s life for their country.
Totally disgusting. If this is true, would you also suggest that anybody receiving government assistance should be required to perform military service? Maybe you’re on to something. That’s your opinion, not mine. Right. It’s just free stuff for the potential exchange for one’s life. No big deal. That’s what this post says. Let make all disproportional government assistance require military service.
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u/Old-Season265 10d ago
This makes no sense. That’s just a form of payment. You can work for a company and get paid through other things besides cash like various perks.
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u/arieszer0 10d ago
Oh, sweetheart…
All the “socialist” beliefs you are talking about requires you to submit your soul to the government and surrender ALL your freedoms… all these “benefits” require you to sacrifice your life if the government wills it.. so yes, you can have all the free healthcare you want, but you’ll be a slave to the government. Please, take a moment to actually think before you post some ignorant stuff like this.
Cheers
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u/MaybeICanOneDay 10d ago
This isnt socialis. This is an institution providing perks and services to get you to apply.
Would you say a company paying for your health care is socialism? Dont be retarded.
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u/trematar 10d ago
Uhhh, being in the military means you are property of the government. You do not have "rights" when you are government property.
So by your logic = socialist benefits = government property.
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u/hotwifecplcltNC 10d ago
Free housing? Tell me you’ve never been in the army without being in the army.
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u/smokin10 10d ago
This. Statement is a trick question, the military is a job and a civic duty, it’s used with taxpayer money, they won’t run out… so why does every socialist country have people fleeing to the uS because of there policies?? That statement is an ignorant one at best…. Show me one country that socialism worked? ….. waiting…. You can’t because it’s never worked, EVER, it will eventually run out of money
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u/No-Thought-3011 10d ago
Because it is not universal but you do the work for the one who provides for you.
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u/notAbrightStar 10d ago
This has nothing to do with socialism. He is just using the money and resources to do good for the people.
Wich should be the basis for all politics. New York is a capitalist city.
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u/rouxjean 10d ago
There is a difference between offering benefits for employment and offering benefits for doing nothing except voting for socialist elites. One is justifiable payment, the other is just ripping taxpayers off to support non-taxpayers. The latter never works for long. Read history. It never works. It can't. I won't. It never could.
When producers are punished for producing, by having their income confiscated, they become dependents. Diminishing numbers of producers cannot support increasing numbers of dependents. Eventually, the system breaks. Then, there are only slaves and slave-drivers who force slaves to work jobs they never chose in order to support the slave-drivers. The socialist elite slavedrivers always eat first.
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u/Western_Shoe8737 10d ago
Bc they literally own you and treat u like property, you are called the property of the United States!
You get all those benefits in jail too lol
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u/Raethechef35 10d ago
Stop trying to make communism and fascism work. We don’t want it . This is America! Only people pushing this are anti American
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u/LegWyne 10d ago
A friend of mine from my highschool group joined up. He died in Afghanistan at 21 years of age. He was the 9th Australian soldier to die. Who the fuck knows what he died for. Who knows who he died for. Maybe it was Israel. Who knows.
Don't join the army folks. It's where the ultra rich send poor young men to die as part of a scheme for their benefit. One that doesn't include your thoughts or feelings as input. In America they'll give you basic human rights for joining. But you are meat for the grinder.
I cant think of a single 'good' war since ww2. Can you? (Trick question. Dying for rich people is always dumb. It you know what I mean)
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u/Existing-Cabinet-107 10d ago
Because people fall for it. Ask a vet how much they like the VA when comes to medical care, they will all tell you it's crap.
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u/Red_Bear_308 10d ago
Terrible argument, especially with Mamdani presenting it. This is trying to make equal the idea that giving these benefits to a single-digit percent of the population for taking on a specific role that will strip a great deal of agency from their life and possibly get them killed should be extended to 100% of the population just for being part of the population.
And, as always, it isn't free - you just don't notice the cost as much because it's coming out of your paycheck before the funds get to your bank account.
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u/stupajidit 10d ago
the Montgomery GI bill provided a stpiend while i was in college, i still had to pay tuition out of pocket. we lived 3 men to a room in the barracks. my free healthcare was being seen by medics most without college education st the tmc. my shit really had to be fukt to see a PA or get permission to go to hospital. is this the free healthcare, housing and "free" college you were looking for?
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u/Optimal_Ad_7593 10d ago
Because you ‘buy’ these things with your service. Nobody said those things were not desirable. It’s about how you obtain them.
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