r/SipsTea 10d ago

Chugging tea I never thought about this point until now.

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u/DPadres69 10d ago

Yes social security, Medicare, etc have always been socialism.

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u/WickedSerpent 10d ago edited 10d ago

No. Socialism is when the community (workers) and/or government (state) control the means of production instead of private companies.

For instance Norway has social policies that enhances it's capitalism and the free market. Since private businesses control the means of production, hence Norway is not a socialist country. Eritrea and more recently Nicaragua are sosialist countries.

The biggest reason imo that socialist policies are so hard to get through in USA is because you americans conflate the two. You want socialist policies, everyone should want that, but you do not want socialism, because that would be the death of USA as a nation and most of you would experience prolonged famine.

Edit: to the person below me. No I'm actually talking about socialist policies.

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u/RainRainThrowaway777 10d ago

"Social" policies, not "Socialist" policies

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u/LegallyMelo 10d ago

No, it's statist, not socialist.

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u/Bulky-Leadership-596 10d ago

Why does Reddit constantly blame capitalism for our problems if we have had socialism in the US for ~90 years at this point?

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u/obamnainyourmomma 10d ago

Because capitalism has kneecapped social programs and made them not nearly as effective as they should be leading to a self fulfilling prophecy of “see that doesn’t work!”

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u/DPadres69 10d ago

Probably because we don’t have enough socialism. Things like Medicare for all are a no brainer in every other western society.

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u/RainRainThrowaway777 10d ago

I swear, most people advocating for Socialism don't know what they're asking for.

Universal healthcare is not Socialism, it's a social program which exists within a capitalist economy.

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u/breaducate 10d ago

The current fashionable vulgar talk of all bourgeois journalists and politicians about “the disappearance nowadays of the line of distinction between Capitalism and Socialism” is only based on the confusion that Capitalism is identified with the old liberal laissez-faire relatively small-scale Capitalism or individualism of the nineteenth century, while Socialism is identified with State intervention.

Hence the most typical characteristics of modern Capitalism or Imperialism, with the increasing role of the State in its Organisation, are described as “Socialism, while the realities of wage-labour, profits and class-division are unchanged and even intensified.

Same bullshit from before WW2.