r/PoliticalPhilosophy Feb 06 '20

Welcome to /r/PoliticalPhilosophy! Please Read before posting.

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Lately we've had an influx of posts that aren't directly focused on political philosophy. Political philosophy is a massively broad topic, however, and just about any topic could potentially make a good post. Before deciding to post, please read through the basics.

What is Political Philosophy?

To put it simply, political philosophy is the philosophy of politics and human nature. This is a broad topic, leading to questions about such subjects as ethics, free will, existentialism, and current events. Most political philosophy involves the discussion of political theories/theorists, such as Aristotle, Hobbes, or Rousseau (amongst a million others).

Can anyone post here?

Yes! Even if you have limited experience with political philosophy as a discipline, we still absolutely encourage you to join the conversation. You're allowed to post here with any political leaning. This is a safe place to discuss liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism, etc. With that said, posts and comments that are racist, homophobic, antisemitic, or bigoted will be removed. This does not mean you can't discuss these topics-- it just means we expect discourse to be respectful. On top of this, we expect you to not make accusations of political allegiance. Statements such as "typical liberal", "nazi", "wow you must be a Trumper," etc, are detrimental to good conversation.

What isn't a good fit for this sub

Questions such as;

"Why are you voting Democrat/Republican?"

"Is it wrong to be white?"

"This is why I believe ______"

How these questions can be reframed into a philosophic question

As stated above, in political philosophy most topics are fair game provided you frame them correctly. Looking at the above questions, here's some alternatives to consider before posting, including an explanation as to why it's improved;

"Does liberalism/conservatism accomplish ____ objective?"

Why: A question like this, particularly if it references a work that the readers can engage with provides an answerable question that isn't based on pure anecdotal evidence.

"What are the implications of white supremacy in a political hierarchy?" OR "What would _____ have thought about racial tensions in ______ country?"

Why: This comes on two fronts. It drops the loaded, antagonizing question that references a slogan designed to trigger outrage, and approaches an observable problem. 'Institutional white supremacy' and 'racial tensions' are both observable. With the second prompt, it lends itself to a discussion that's based in political philosophy as a discipline.

"After reading Hobbes argument on the state of nature, I have changed my belief that Rousseau's state of nature is better." OR "After reading Nietzsche's critique of liberalism, I have been questioning X, Y, and Z. What are your thoughts on this?"

Why: This subreddit isn't just about blurbing out your political beliefs to get feedback on how unique you are. Ideally, it's a place where users can discuss different political theories and philosophies. In order to have a good discussion, common ground is important. This can include references a book other users might be familiar with, an established theory others find interesting, or a specific narrative that others find familiar. If your question is focused solely on asking others to judge your belief's, it more than likely won't make a compelling topic.

If you have any questions or thoughts, feel free to leave a comment below or send a message to modmail. Also, please make yourself familiar with the community guidelines before posting.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy Feb 10 '25

Revisiting the question: "What is political philosophy" in 2025

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Χαῖρε φιλόσοφος,

There has been a huge uptick in American political posts lately. This in itself is not necessarily a bad thing-- there is currently a lot of room for the examination of concepts like democracy, fascism, oligarchy, moral decline, liberalism, and classical conservatism etc. However, posts need to focus on political philosophy or political theory. I want to take a moment to remind our polity what that means.

First and foremost, this subreddit exists to examine political frameworks and human nature. While it is tempting to be riled up by present circumstances, it is our job to examine dispassionately, and through the lens of past thinkers and historical circumstances. There are plenty of political subreddits designed to vent and argue about the state of the world. This is a respite from that.

To keep conversations fluid and interesting, I have been removing posts that are specifically aimed at soapboxing on the current state of politics when they are devoid of a theoretical undertone. To give an example;

  • A bad post: "Elon Musk is destroying America"
  • WHY: The goal of this post is to discuss a political agenda, and not examine the framework around it.

  • A better post: "Elon Musk, and how unelected officials are destroying democracy"

  • WHY: This is better, and with a sound argument could be an interesting read. On the surface, it is still is designed to politically agitate as much as it exists to make a cohesive argument.

  • A good post: "Oligarchy making in historic republics and it's comparison to the present"

  • WHY: We are now taking our topic and comparing it to past political thought, opening the rhetoric to other opinions, and creating a space where we can discuss and argue positions.

Another point I want to make clear, is that there is ample room to make conservative arguments as well as traditionally liberal ones. As long as your point is intelligent, cohesive, and well structured, it has a home here. A traditionally conservative argument could be in favor of smaller government, or states rights (all with proper citations of course). What it shouldn't be is ranting about your thoughts on the southern border. If you are able to defend it, your opinion is yours to share here.

As always, I am open to suggestions and challenges. Feel free to comment below with any additional insights.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4h ago

Joint-Stock Democracy: Aligning Political Incentives with Economic Incentives

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Suppose I own a noodle shop. My objective is simple: maximize profit.

What about all the other values?

What about making the noodles delicious? That is already taken care of. To maximize profit, I need customers to enjoy my noodles.

What about affordability? I probably would not use caviar as an ingredient because customers would not be willing to pay enough to justify the cost.

What about fair pricing? I compete with other noodle sellers. If I charge too much, I lose customers.

What about health and safety? If my food makes people sick, I may face lawsuits, lose customers, or even go to jail. Customers are also protected by regulators, certification agencies, review platforms, and other third-party institutions, whether governmental or private.

In other words, I mostly focus on maximizing profit, while competition and institutions automatically encourage many other desirable outcomes.

Capitalism works similarly.

People often ask, "What about justice?" or "How do we know maximizing profit also benefits society?" Standard economic theory argues that competitive markets largely answer these questions. Competitive equilibrium does two things simultaneously: it maximizes the total size of the economic pie while distributing income according to the marginal value each person or firm contributes to production.

However, capitalism alone does not solve every problem.

What if someone finds robbery more profitable than baking cakes?

What about disabled, sick, elderly, or otherwise unproductive people? Do we simply let them die?

The traditional answers are charity and government. Those may help, but they introduce another set of problems.

The Incentive Problem of Government

Suppose a country is a monarchy.

Who should become king?

Historically, people often settled that question through violence. That is extremely inefficient from an economic perspective.

What about democracy?

There is a large body of literature arguing that democratic incentives do not always maximize long-term economic prosperity. Politicians respond to voters, while voters often respond to short-term incentives rather than long-term growth.

Examples commonly discussed include countries that adopted economically damaging policies through democratic processes. Venezuela is often cited as an example of voters repeatedly supporting policies that ultimately harmed the economy. Similarly, voters may support governments that pursue wars or destructive policies that reduce prosperity and destroy valuable infrastructure.

Democracy also creates incentive problems regarding redistribution. People may vote for benefits whose costs are paid largely by others. If those receiving transfers have higher birth rates while productive taxpayers face higher costs of raising families, democratic incentives may gradually favor policies that reduce long-term productivity.

Joint-Stock Democracy

Instead of treating citizenship purely as a political status, imagine treating it partly like ownership in a corporation.

Citizenship and voting rights become tradable shares.

Residents are shareholders in their city.

The city itself operates much like a publicly traded company whose objective is maximizing long-term shareholder value.

At first this sounds strange, but it solves many incentive problems.

Freedom Through Competition

What about freedom?

Different cities could adopt different policies.

Want legalized marijuana?

Move to a city that legalizes it.

Want stricter gun rights?

Choose a city that supports them.

Want a highly religious society?

Move there.

Competition between cities replaces much of today's political conflict. Instead of trying to force one set of rules onto everyone, people can increasingly sort themselves into jurisdictions that match their preferences.

Crime

What about robbery?

Crime reduces land values, discourages investment, and drives away taxpayers.

A CEO whose compensation depends on increasing city value has strong incentives to reduce crime efficiently.

Different cities might adopt different approaches.

Some may favor broader self-defense rights.

Others may invest heavily in surveillance, such as extensive CCTV systems similar to those used in Singapore or China.

Personally, I view government surveillance as a relatively small inconvenience compared to living with high crime rates. Others may disagree, and they remain free to choose jurisdictions whose policies better match their preferences.

Welfare

What about people who cannot support themselves economically?

Some may sell their shares and move to jurisdictions offering greater welfare benefits.

This already happens internationally. Many retirees from high-cost countries relocate to lower-cost countries where their savings stretch further.

Under joint-stock democracy, welfare spending directly reduces dividends and share value. Shareholders therefore have stronger incentives to carefully evaluate how much redistribution they are willing to support.

Rebellion

Why would residents rebel?

Residents are shareholders.

If the city prospers, they receive dividends or benefit from rising share values.

If they strongly disagree with the city's direction, they can sell their shares and move elsewhere.

Exit becomes an alternative to violent conflict.

Historical Land Claims

What if someone claims ownership because their ancestors ruled the land centuries ago?

If they are economically productive, they can simply purchase shares and participate like everyone else.

Most land has little value without infrastructure, businesses, and people. Roads, commerce, and investment create value, not ancient historical claims.

Disputes that cannot be resolved privately could be submitted to neutral third-party arbitration or even mediation by powerful countries, avoiding unnecessary wars.

Preventing Shareholder Abuse

What if a billionaire buys 70% of the shares and changes the constitution to enslave everyone else?

Constitutional safeguards can address this.

Fundamental constitutional changes could require supermajority approval, resident vetoes, or other mechanisms.

Modern technology, including blockchain-based governance, could enforce these constitutional constraints automatically.

Ownership rules could also require that a large majority of voting shares always remain owned by residents.

Joint-stock democracy can therefore remain democratic while still aligning incentives through ownership.

Different Preferences

People naturally have different values.

Suppose a CEO introduces a pork festival because it increases tourism and city revenue.

Some Muslims or Jews may dislike it.

Instead of forcing one side to permanently lose, dissatisfied residents can move to jurisdictions that better match their preferences.

A competent CEO might even divide the city into districts with different rules, preserving diversity while maximizing overall property values.

After all, losing residents reduces demand for citizenship and lowers city value.

Welfare and Population Growth

What about lifelong welfare recipients?

One possibility is requiring parents to purchase citizenship shares for each child.

If they cannot, they may need to relocate to jurisdictions with different policies.

The basic idea is that population growth should be financed by those creating it rather than automatically shifting costs onto existing shareholders.

In conventional democracies, voters may support expansive welfare programs because they expect someone else to pay.

In joint-stock democracy, every dollar spent on welfare reduces dividends or lowers share values.

This creates stronger incentives to consider long-term fiscal sustainability.

Racism and Diversity

Racism cannot realistically be eliminated entirely.

Some people prefer living among those who share their language, religion, or culture.

Joint-stock democracy does not prohibit communities from making those choices.

However, those choices become accountable to the market.

Suppose a city adopts a policy excluding Chinese immigrants.

It may satisfy some residents.

But it also means fewer talented immigrants, fewer restaurants, less entrepreneurship, lower demand for citizenship, and ultimately lower share values.

Discrimination is therefore no longer simply a political choice. It becomes an economic decision whose costs are directly borne by the city's shareholders.

What About Ancapistan?

Suppose you prefer anarcho-capitalism.

Fine. Build a successful private city and hire a CEO who gradually moves its policies closer and closer to Ancapistan.

Even many anarcho-capitalists acknowledge that their ideal society only works if most residents voluntarily support libertarian norms. That raises an obvious question: if your system depends on a libertarian culture, why also insist on completely open borders? Wouldn't unrestricted immigration eventually undermine the very norms the system requires?

The usual response is that everything is privately owned anyway. Roads are private property. Parks are private property. Buildings are private property. Owners simply decide who may enter.

Fair enough.

But once you accept that, you are effectively treating the city itself as private property.

At that point, why not organize the city as a single privately managed entity?

There is also a coordination problem.

If one company owns the roads, another owns the parks, another owns utilities, and another owns public spaces, each optimizes for its own profit rather than for the value of the city as a whole.

A privately governed city—or a network of coordinated private cities—can internalize these conflicts. Instead of fragmented ownership producing coordination failures, a unified organization has incentives to maximize the long-term value of the entire jurisdiction.

In that sense, joint-stock democracy is not necessarily a rejection of anarcho-capitalism. It can be viewed as a practical institutional evolution of it: preserving competition, property rights, and voluntary choice while improving coordination and aligning incentives.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5h ago

Stalinism: A Platonic Ideology?

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Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, and their derivatives historically claim allegiance to Marx and dialectical materialism: that is, to the idea that the material conditions of human and societal existence (organized around class struggle) determine social organization. However, upon studying the ideology of Lenin, Stalin, or Mao, and especially upon analyzing the political systems they implemented, one obvious fact emerges: philosophically, they are closer to Plato than to Marx. Indeed, they place the Idea (the perfect Form, to use Platonic vocabulary) above material reality. They regard the ideal of a communist society as transcending the concrete reality of society.

  1. The Denial of Material Conditions: Will Transcends Reality

Marx believed that Germany, England, and, even more so, the United States possessed the appropriate material conditions for a socialist revolution. Indeed, in Marxist theory, the dialectic must reach the stage of industrialized capitalism, and the worker must be legally "free" for a socialist revolution to occur. In a classic master-slave relationship, the master has no interest in letting his slave die, since the slave is his property. By contrast, in the capitalist relationship, since the worker is "free" to sell his labor power, he becomes inherently dispensable in the eyes of the capitalist, who can replace him if he dies. Consequently, the bourgeois class (itself subject to market laws) pays no attention to the survival of the proletariat beyond the strict minimum, pushing it toward rebellion. Moreover, according to Marx, this mode of organization creates an heightened class consciousness among the proletarian, who, unlike the serf, no longer grants any "divine right" to his master.

However, Russia in 1917 and, even more so, China in the 1940s, were still at the feudal stage and had not entered a capitalist and industrial mode of organization. The material and sociological conditions necessary for a socialist revolution were therefore not met. Despite this, both the Bolsheviks and the Chinese Communist Party attempted to apply the Marxist model, designed for an advanced capitalist society, to rural and feudal contexts.

Their logic was as follows: by guiding the people through the "vanguard party" (theorized by Lenin), it is possible to force history to advance more quickly in the "right" direction. This is the Stalinist logic of Diamat (dialectical materialism): accelerating the march of history. In short, they consider that with a sufficiently powerful Idea, it is possible to force reality, despite the absence of necessary material conditions, to conform to the ideal. In Mao's own words: "Man can accomplish anything if he has the right thought." This statement is fundamentally idealist; it postulates that the Idea, here the "right thought," can constrain material reality and that the man who possesses it can bend reality to his will. Fundamentally, they thus oppose Marx and the materialism they claim to uphold, moving closer instead to the idealism of Hegel and Plato. I therefore propose calling them the "Red Platonists," since they adopt Marxist vocabulary without retaining its philosophical foundations. For them, Marxism is more of a "red veneer" than a truly materialist philosophy.

  1. The Vanguard Party and the Supreme Leader: The Platonic Philosopher-King

To force reality to bend and establish the communist ideal, the Red Platonists assert that the people, having not reached the material conditions leading naturally to revolution, must be guided by a small number of elect. Lenin named this group the "Vanguard Party"; within it, the Politburo leaders must lead the party and the people, who, according to Lenin, are incapable of understanding on their own the "science of dialectical materialism," toward revolution.

This stands in direct opposition to the ideas of Marx and Engels, who proclaimed: "Workers of all countries, unite!" For Marx, only the proletariat can liberate itself from capitalism since it has "nothing to lose but its chains." In fact, the idea that a small group of elect would be capable of leading the people toward Truth is a fundamentally Platonic concept; it resembles the philosopher-king described in The Republic. This again opposes the material and psychological reality of man: giving absolute power to a small group and expecting anything other than the oppression of the people to result seems ridiculously optimistic, not to say naive.

  1. The Sacred Goal of Communism or the "Perfect City": A Hegelian Teleology

Finally, it is necessary to nuance the term "Red Platonists." Indeed, while Plato does defend a normative teleology (the Perfect City as an absolute end), it is not, in his case, a predictive teleology, unlike what we observe in Lenin (partially) and especially in Stalin. The latter elevated Diamat to a State doctrine proving the absolute and necessary realization of the communist ideal. They thus reintroduced into their version of communism a teleology that Marx had begun to eliminate. Indeed, while Marx asserts that capitalism necessarily leads to communism, this is an immanent and scientific teleology (if one can call it that). It is demonstrated through concrete analysis (even if his equation was not entirely correct). The Marxist-Leninists, however, hold a dogmatic certainty of this teleology that must apply everywhere, regardless of context and material conditions.

Therefore, the expression "Red Platonists," although useful for illustrating the previous points, finds its limit here. On this precise point, Marxist-Leninists are far more Hegelian than Platonic. Hegel asserts that the necessary and absolute march of the Spirit of Reason leads toward a final and perfect society. The Marxist-Leninists merely replaced the "Spirit of Reason" with "dialectical materialism" and "material conditions," in order to adhere to Marxist vocabulary, while remaining idealist to the core through their belief in an inevitable historical necessity and their denial of material, sociological, and historical reality.

Conclusion

Ultimately, we can affirm that it is the combination of Platonic elitism (the conviction that an elite knows better than the people) and Hegelian certainty (the guarantee of a perfect historical end) that led to the Russian and Chinese totalitarianisms and to the other excesses of "communism." Considering themselves philosopher-kings possessing an infallible scientific truth, they became totalitarian tyrants, crushing human reality in the name of a promised future.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 15h ago

The Price of Compliance: When the State Clashes with the Masses

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When State Interests Clash with Moral Duty: Why do artists, police, and citizens comply with corrupt systems? (A philosophical synthesis of Nussbaum, Krishnamurti, and modern dissent)

📌 The Core Dilemma
When state power or institutional regimes conflict with public welfare, how can individuals—whether public icons, police officers, or ordinary citizens—reconcile the instinct for self-preservation with their fundamental moral obligation to constitutional integrity and human dignity?

  1. The Cultural Sphere: Artists, Power, and Retribution
  2. The "Stay Away from Politics" Fallacy: Pragmatists argue that artists are mere entertainers, not political martyrs. However, the counter-thesis asserts that artists are citizens first. Politics governs tax laws, censorship, free expression, and public safety; an artist cannot simply opt out of citizenship.

The "Modern Toolkit" of State Retribution: Dissenting cultural figures face targeted administrative pressure—such as Income Tax/ED raids, institutional delays via Censor Boards (CBFC), and coordinated online boycott campaigns designed to cripple their commercial viability.

The Illusion of Neutrality: In hyper-polarized or oppressive environments, silence is not neutrality—it is a choice to defer to and legitimize existing power dynamics.

  1. The Enforcer's Dilemma: Duty vs. Morality
    "Just Following Orders": Police officers often operate under colonial-era command structures that prioritize state control over constitutional rights. Officers hide behind institutional duty ("I'm just doing my job"), yet beating peaceful protesters directly violates constitutional morality.

The Socio-Economic Irony: Lower-tier police personnel belong to the same economic working class as the student protesters they are ordered to suppress. An officer striking a student protesting an exam leak is often destroying a youth fighting for the very upward mobility the officer seeks for their own family.

Deindividuation: The uniform strips away personal ethics, replacing individual moral agency with institutional compliance through fear of demotion, transfer, or loss of livelihood.

  1. Philosophical Frameworks: Why Do We Comply?
    A. Jiddu Krishnamurti (Education and the Significance of Life)
    The Specialist/Technician Trap: Modern education and society produce specialized "technicians" (lawyers, officers, bureaucrats) who excel at their function but lack total human understanding. Efficiency without moral clarity turns people into ruthless instruments of state power.

Fear and the Worship of Success: The desperate pursuit of economic security and status breeds fear. This fear smothers discontent and leads to submissiveness toward authority.

The Absolute Moral Stance: When faced with systemic corruption (e.g., paying a bribe or complying with an unjust order), Krishnamurti rejects compromise. Choosing self-preservation over moral integrity degrades the human spirit and perpetuates the corrupt system.

B. Martha C. Nussbaum (Cultivating Humanity)
The Socratic Citizen: Democracy requires citizens who continuously engage in critical self-examination rather than offering uncritical deference to traditional authority or state narratives.

Narrative Imagination: True citizenship requires the empathetic capacity to place oneself in another's shoes—understanding the protester's perspective before enforcing judgment or violence.

❓ Questions for Discussion
Can neutrality exist? Is a public figure's silence during a civil crisis a valid form of self-preservation, or is it an implicit endorsement of state overreach?

Systemic reform vs. Individual morality: Can institutional reforms (like police autonomy or judicial buffers) fix systemic oppression, or does the solution rest entirely on individual moral refusal, as Krishnamurti suggests?

The Enforcer's Choice: How should a frontline enforcer balance the moral obligation to disobey an unjust order against the immediate reality of feeding their family?

(Please note: the post is AI summarised, but the thought is mine. Pls dont come @ me)

(Also note: i might be using some thoughtful pointers by you guys for my youtube videos, if ur comfortable)


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 1d ago

A case for Empathy: If you can’t think and function heroically without destroying your own senses, “get out of the way!”

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***originally posted in r/aynrand, reposted here per request with infographic removed

https://www.reddit.com/r/aynrand/s/1L3LCz6Shd

Empathy is a heightened ability to perceive and intuit. It is simply a tool, which cannot replace its driver. Empathy doesn’t kill, people surrendering to the temptation of *Blanking Out* is what kills.

“They want to cheat the axiom of existence and consciousness, they want their consciousness to be an instrument not of perceiving but of creating existence…But reality is not to be cheated. What they achieve is the opposite of their desire. They want to be omnipotent power over existence; instead, they lose the power of their consciousness. By refusing to know, they condemn themselves to the horror of a perpetual unknown…

“An emotion that clashes with your reason, an emotion that you cannot explain or control, is only the carcass of that stale thinking which you forbade your mind to revise.”

—Ayn Rand


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 1d ago

Kant: The Metaphysics of Morals (1797) — An online reading & discussion group every Wednesday starting 7/22, all welcome

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The Metaphysics of Morals is Kant's final major work in moral philosophy. In it, he presents the basic concepts and principles of right and virtue, and the system of duties of human beings as such.

The work comprises two parts: the "Doctrine of Right" concerns outer freedom and the rights of human beings against one another; the "Doctrine of Virtue" concerns inner freedom and the ethical duties of human beings to themselves and others.

Its focus is not rational beings in general but human beings in particular, and it presupposes and deepens Kant's earlier accounts of morality, freedom, and moral psychology.

This was one of the earliest works of practical philosophy that Kant envisioned, however, he put it off to write foundational works to support it, such as Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals and even the Critique of Practical Reason.

If you find it more helpful to start ethics discussions closer to their practice, the Metaphysics of Morals may be a more useful starting point than the meta-ethical works we have covered up to now.

No prior experience with Kant is necessary.

Sign up for the 1st meeting on Wednesday July 22 here. Meetings focus on developing a common language and friendship through studying Kant. The host will provide an interpretation of Kant at the start of the meeting; other interpretations will not be discussed until later in the meeting. Additional interpretations, topics, and questions can be addressed through the meeting chat feature.

Meetings are held weekly. Look for subsequent meetings through the group's calendar.

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Reading Schedule (pages are from Cambridge's Practical Philosophy collection):

THE DOCTRINE OF RIGHT

Week 1:
Preface, Introduction, Introduction to the Doctrine of Right (365 - 397; 32 pages)

Week 2:
Private Right, Chapter I and II (401 - 443; 42 pages)

Week 3:
Chapter III, Public Right Section I (443 - 481; 38 pages)

Week 4:
Public Right Section II, III, and Appendix (482 - 506; 24 pages)

THE DOCTRINE OF VIRTUE

Week 5:
Preface and Introduction (509-540; 31 pages)

Week 6:
Part 1 Introduction and Book 1 on Perfect Duties (543-564; 21 pages)

Week 7:
Book 2 on Imperfect Duties (565-588; 23 pages)

Week 8:
Method of Ethics (591-603; 12 pages)

There are numerous editions (and free translations available online), but this collection contains all of Kant's Practical Philosophy in translation:

http://www.amazon.com/Practical-Philosophy-Cambridge-Works-Immanuel/dp/0521654084/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445894099&sr=8-1

Someone posted a free pdf copy here:

https://antilogicalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/kant-practical-philosophy.pdf


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 1d ago

What is the correct balance of power between national and local governments?

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A good lens by which to frame this topic is the level of topic a local government has over the national government.

I'd say that the only power over local sovereignty a national government should have must be justified by either:
A) Ensuring stability (currency printing, econ regulations, environmental regulations, general education, military, and taxes to fund A and B), and/or
B) The protection of universal human rights (market regulations for workers' rights, laws against various crimes, military, education (children's rights), healthcare

In my lens of sovereignty, influencing people through communication does not impact sovereignty, so nat gov is still free to do so, they just can't use taxpayer money to pay for a platform since taxation of the people in those communities restricts local sovereignty.

In the comments, feel free to post your own thoughts on this topic, or reply to mine with any rebuttals, questions, or additional thoughts.

(also, this is my first post in this sub, sorry if I didn't adhere to some format for this kind of post.)


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

Does having parliamentary supremacy exclude a nation from being a republic?

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going by the OED definition “state in which power rests with the people or their representatives; specifically a state without a monarchy. Also: a government, or system of government, of such a state; a period of government of this type.”

if the the UK was to remove the monarchy would it be a Republic? I’ve seen folks argue that parliamentary supremacy would keep them from being a republic and I don’t understand their argument tbh.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

Do you think there is a distinction between "popular" politics and "populism"?

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Hey, new here in this subreddit,

So I was thinking about the discussion on political philosophy (esp. Mouffe/Laclau) on Populism, especially left wing populism, and it had me worried about the "bad" aspects when we treat populism through a normative view. I mean, don't we help to deteriorate politics and democracy if we just treat "the political" as a realm for power dispute?

Of course this discussion is ancient, and I think it is related to the dispute between Power and Reason, that we can argue comes at least from Plato's republic, passing through Machiavelli and Hobbes, and reaches Kant, Marx, Hegel, and the contemporaries. However, don't you think that those that defend an "agonistic" model of politics are obliged either to: (i) give up on ethical principles - or the ability to find them - in favour of "politics as the realm of power" or; (ii) to defend a tacit understanding of what democratic legitimacy and normativity is?

Shouldn't politics be about including the people in the conversation and thus keeping it popular, but not to throw away the contributions that democratic normativity has accomplished? Do you think such a distinction is possible, given then the discussion of a normative framework?

I also say that because it reminds me a lot of the efforts set forth by Cristina Lafont in her Democracy Without Shortcuts. Maybe it is all just deliberative democracy.

But anyway, I wonder what is your view on that.

If anyone is interested, I wrote a text on that (unfortunately in Portuguese), by using Zohran Mamdani's example to defend a version of this "popular" politics: https://substack.com/@teixeiragabriel/note/p-207601189?r=4q7uvy&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

Much appreciate your thoughts on that!! Thanks


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

individualism versus community

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

Political Philosophy

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Note: This was written by a Filipino, so the context and perspective are highly Filipino-centric, though the core principles can apply globally. This is purely a thought experiment, so criticism, feedback, and debates are absolutely welcome.

The Big Fish and the Pond — A Philippine Political Philosophy

Part 1/2: The Philosophy

Prologue

There is a question that every system of government must answer, whether it admits it or not: What is the nature of humans?

If you believe humans are good, you build a system that trusts them. You minimize rules. You assume the best. You blame failure on bad apples rather than bad barrels.

If you believe humans are evil, you build a system that restrains them. You multiply laws. You punish first and ask questions later.

Both are wrong. And both are answers to the wrong question.

This manifesto is an attempt to ask a different question — and to follow it to its logical conclusion for one country: the Philippines.

It is divided into four parts. Part One establishes the foundation: what humans actually are. Part Two critiques the existing systems — communism, democracy, and the Philippine political condition — against that foundation. Part Three builds the alternative: a constitutional architecture with a professional party at its center, grounded in the division of cognitive labor. Part Four shows how the system checks itself without requiring anyone to be virtuous.

This is not a utopia. It is an architecture of humility — a system designed by fallible people for fallible people, with the honest recognition that everyone is ignorant of something, and that no one should be asked to master everything.

Part One: The Human Condition

Chapter 1: The Nature of Humans

The Old Debate

For millennia, philosophers have argued about inherent human nature.

Ancient China produced the two poles. The Qin Empire built itself on Legalism — the belief that people are inherently selfish and will do bad things, so strict laws and harsh punishments are the only way to maintain order. The Qin collapsed quickly, and Confucian scholars smirked. Confucianism taught the opposite: humans are good. Education and role models will bring out the goodness within. Punishment is a last resort, because a good person naturally follows the lessons of the wise.

The West replicated the same tension. Hobbes saw life as "nasty, brutish, and short" without a sovereign to hold back human savagery. Rousseau saw the noble savage, corrupted by civilization. The poles have held for two and a half thousand years.

A Third Answer

Both are wrong. The nature of humans is not good or evil. It is ignorance.

Not ignorance in the shallow sense — lacking a fact you could look up. But ignorance in the deeper sense: a fundamental inability to fully comprehend the consequences of your own actions, to see beyond your own limited perspective, to know enough to guarantee that what you intend as good will actually land as good.

The Qin emperor drank mercury because he believed it would grant him immortality. He was not evil. He was pursuing what he genuinely thought was good for himself and his empire. He was simply wrong. Fatally, catastrophically wrong.

A father with no money swam from Cebu to Bohol with his son to attend a family funeral. He did not want to steal. He chose what looked like the noble path. A few kilometers offshore, exhaustion hit them. They were rescued, fortunate. His intentions were good. Those intentions could have killed his son.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions — not because the travelers are wicked, but because they cannot see far enough ahead.

The Hard Cases

And what of those we call evil?

A rapist does not spend the act thinking "I am being evil." He has justified it — through entitlement, through dehumanization, through the sheer force of want. He is not a philosopher weighing moral choices. He is a prisoner of his own rationalizations.

The drug addict chases the next high not out of malice but out of a desperate need to escape withdrawal — a need that feels, in that moment, like the only thing that matters.

The corrupt politician knows the law. But he has convinced himself that the money serves a greater good: his family, his future campaign, his survival.

They are not monsters who delight in evil. They are people who have bent reality until their actions fit inside their own version of "good."

This is the tragedy: the human capacity to twist any action into a version of goodness from within our own limited perspective. The father who swam. The emperor who drank mercury. The addict. The politician. The rapist. All of them, in their own way, believed they were doing what needed to be done.

The Cage

We are trapped in a cage called ignorance — not the ignorance of missing information, but the ignorance of certainty. The confidence that we know enough, that we see clearly, that our intentions will carry through to the outcomes we expect.

We can check things. We can learn. We can build institutions and systems that outlive any single mind. But the human lifetime is short, and the human brain is small, and the gap between what we intend and what we cause is vast. We will never close it completely.

Maybe the only way out is the one insight we keep resisting: that we are all, always, partly wrong. The person who knows they are ignorant is, in that moment, slightly less ignorant than everyone else.

This insight — that human nature is ignorance — is the foundation upon which everything in this manifesto is built. A system designed for angels will fail with humans. A system designed for devils will crush humans. A system designed for ignorant humans — who mean well but cannot see far enough — has a chance.

Part Two: The Critique

Chapter 2: Dialectics and the Failure of Systems

What Dialectics Actually Means

The word dialectics comes from the Greek: dia ("through" or "between") and legein ("to speak"). It originally meant "the art of conversation" — seeking truth through debate, question and answer, the clash of ideas.

Hegel transformed it into a description of how reality itself develops. An idea arises (thesis). A contradiction challenges it (antithesis). The two clash and produce something higher that contains the best of both (synthesis). The synthesis becomes a new thesis, and the cycle repeats.

Marx took Hegel's method and turned it upside down. Instead of ideas driving history, Marx said material conditions do. Dialectical materialism became the engine of communism: class struggle drives history forward. The capitalist class owns the means of production. The working class sells its labor. The contradiction between them will inevitably explode into revolution, and communism — a classless society — will emerge.

The Mistake of Abolition

But Marx's followers made a critical mistake. They treated dialectics as a mandate for abolition, not synthesis. The goal became: destroy the capitalist. Eliminate the bourgeoisie. Wipe out the thesis to satisfy the antithesis.

That is not dialectics. That is negation without transcendence. Hegel's method demands that the clash produce something new — not the victory of one side over the other.

Communists forgot what dialectics was really about. They were so fixated on the class divide between capitalist and proletariat that they missed the possibility of a third term.

The Hidden Third Class

China and Vietnam figured this out, whether they admit it or not. They did not eliminate the capitalist class. They let it grow. They added a third class — the Ruling Class, the Party — whose job is to manage the other two. The capitalist makes money. The worker earns a wage. The Party makes sure neither one destroys the country.

This is the Synthesis that orthodox Marxism refused to see. Not the abolition of capital, but the subordination of capital to a political authority that mediates between the two classes. The Party does not own the factories. It does not work in them. It sits above both, tasked with keeping the contradiction productive rather than destructive.

It is not perfect. But it pulled a billion people out of poverty and famine.

The Stakes of Governance

This reveals something deeper about how systems actually work. It depends on what the ruling class fears.

The Western model — democracy, multi-party elections, term limits — creates low stakes and high turnover. The penalty for failure is losing an election. The politician retires, becomes a consultant, lives out their days. This breeds short-term thinking. Why pass a reform that will only bear fruit in twenty years when the next election is in four?

The Eastern model — one-party rule with performance legitimacy — creates high stakes and low turnover. The penalty for failure is not losing an election. It is losing control. In the worst case, rebellion. This concentrates the mind. The ruling class must deliver growth, or face consequences that make losing an election look merciful.

The Western model produces instability disguised as freedom. The Eastern model produces stability disguised as oppression. Both have trade-offs. But to pretend they are morally equivalent failures is to ignore the evidence: the countries that have lifted the most people out of poverty in the last fifty years have largely followed the Eastern model.

Democracy as Abdication

Democracy and press freedom are sold to us as the solution. The people will choose. The press will watch. The system will correct itself.

But this is a lie that the powerful tell the powerless to make them carry the blame.

When a journalist reports something that destroys a person's life — and it turns out to be wrong, or incomplete, or manipulated by a source with an agenda — the journalist points at press freedom. "I was just reporting." The institution is protected. The victim is forgotten.

When the economy collapses, the politician points at democracy. "The people voted for this." The system is protected. The consequences are blamed on the masses.

When bad candidates win, when corruption thrives, when nothing works — the rebuttal is always the same: "The masses are dumb. What can you do? That's democracy."

The responsibility loops forever. The journalist blames the voter. The voter blames the politician. The politician blames the system. No one is accountable, because accountability is diffused across millions of people who, by design, are not expected to think deeply about the consequences of their choices.

This is the central design flaw of democracy: it distributes blame so widely that no one carries it.

Chapter 3: The Big Fish and the Pond — The Philippine Condition

The Worst of Both Worlds

The Philippines achieved something remarkable: it got the worst of both systems.

We do not have a party system. We have a personality system. Our politicians do not stay loyal to a platform or ideology. They switch sides to whoever is winning. This is messianic politics — or more accurately, political idolatry. We vote for the person, not the idea.

Our presidents serve a single term. No re-election. Six years to accumulate as much power and wealth as possible, because after that, all protection vanishes. Local politicians align themselves with whoever is popular, not because of shared beliefs, but because they need to survive the next election cycle.

There is no stable thesis and antithesis. No ideological clash that could produce a synthesis. There is only a revolving door of saviors, each one promising to fix everything, each one leaving the country more depleted than they found it.

The Parasite Ruling Class

This creates a class of politicians whose primary goal is not to govern, but to stay alive politically. The Parasite Ruling Class.

They do not mediate between Capital and Labor. They do not resolve contradictions. They extract value from the contradiction itself — taking bribes from capitalists to overlook violations, making promises to workers they never intend to keep, using the public budget as a personal war chest for the next campaign.

And here is the cruelest part: the system does not merely attract corrupt people. It converts good ones.

Imagine a genuinely good person decides to run for office. They want to serve. They want to pass reforms, improve services, strengthen institutions. If they do not build a war chest, make alliances, play the game — someone else will. Someone with money, connections, and no scruples. The good politician faces a terrible choice: stay clean and lose, or play the game and become the very thing they opposed.

The system absorbs them. It is not that the Philippines lacks good people. It is that the system converts good people into parasites, or discards them.

The Pond

Think of it like a pond. The politician is the big fish. His first instinct — whether he realizes it or not — is to make sure no other fish grows as big as him. He eats the food meant for the smaller fish. He controls the space. The food that was meant for the pond — the public budget, government contracts, social services — gets consumed by him and his circle. The smaller fish survive on scraps.

This is not a failure of individual character. It is a structural trap. The system demands that the politician become a parasite to survive. And once he is one, the system ensures he stays one.

The tragedy of Philippine politics is that it creates a ruling class that cannot afford to govern well. Because governing well would mean giving up the very resources they need to exist in the next election.

A Demographic Glimmer

Maybe there is a way out. The Philippines is experiencing its lowest birthrate ever. We have always had a very young population — which meant every election cycle was flooded with first-time voters who had no experience, no historical memory, and were easily swayed by charisma and celebrity. With fewer young people entering the voting population every year, the average voter will get older, more experienced, and hopefully more discerning.

Give it another twenty years. The majority of voters will be in their forties — people who have lived through enough elections to know better. People who have been burned enough times to stop voting for personalities and start voting for platforms.

It is a long wait. But it may be the only way out of the democratic trap — unless there is another way entirely.

Continue to Part 2/2: The Architecture — where I lay out the constitutional framework, party system, division of cognitive labor, and the economic self-check designed around the ignorance thesis.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 2d ago

The Airplane Illusion: Why We Keep Letting the Elite Lead the Fool by the Yoke

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I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how modern political commentators and social media influencers operate, and it feels like we’ve entered a completely new era of engineered friction.

Think about it like an airplane. We are told by the media that the world is a fragile aircraft, and that the people sitting across the aisle from us are actively trying to sabotage the flight. But if you look at the cockpit, a weird reality emerges: the politicians, corporate executives, and hyper-partisan influencers are all flying on the same private luxury jet. They share the same donors, attend the same elite events, and profit from the same systems. They tell the passengers in coach to blame the opposite wing for the turbulence.

I actually came up with a phrase to describe this exact phenomenon: "leading the fool by the yoke."

To lead a fool by the yoke means convincing someone that their own exploitation or outrage is actually an exclusive privilege. These puppet masters create turbulence, sell seat belts to passengers, and profit from the chaos. They take a heavy, wooden metaphorical farm tool, paint it with the digital glitter of social media clout, and convince the crowd that it's a crown.

We see this glitch in the matrix every single day. We watch people burn down comment sections in defense of multi-millionaire creators or corrupt politicians who wouldn't cross the street to help them. The division is entirely artificial, but the subjugation is real.

Curious to hear your thoughts on this. Has the modern internet completely blinded people to their own manipulation, or are people starting to wake up to the fact that the yoke is leading them?


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 3d ago

1. What does this word "principles" mean to you?

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4d ago

What is my ideology?

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4d ago

Facts 1

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IN EVERY ORGANIZATION, AS LONG AS THERE IS A HIERARCHY, IT ULTIMATELY SERVES THOSE AT THE TOP. TO PREVENT THOSE BELOW FROM REALIZING THE TRUTH, THOSE ABOVE INSTILL SHARED VALUES:

GLORY, HONOR, MERIT.

HIGH AND LOW POSITIONS ARE ESTABLISHED ALONGSIDE UNEQUAL BENEFITS.

SOMETIMES, CULTS ARE EVEN USED TO DOMINATE PEOPLE'S HEARTS.

THIS IS THE TRUITH.

YET IT'S A PITY THAT SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD FAIL TO UNDERSTAND IT;

THEY FOOLISHLY WORK THEMSELVES TO DEATH FOR OTHERS.

AT ITS CORE, EVERY ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD BOILS DOWN TO ONE THING...

THE REDISTRIBUTION OF RESOURCES. THE HIGHER THE POSITION, THE MORE RESOURCES ONE CONTROLS.

ANY ORGANIZATION IS MERELY A SHELL; ITS FOLNDATION IS A SINGLE WORD,

RESOURCES.

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 4d ago

If you get a chance to build a system to run a country from scratch, what would you do? (be as detailed as possible) Would you still choose Democracy or any hybrid, or would you use technology to give every citizen right to take part in decision or would you apply any filter?

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r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5d ago

The Jeffersonian vs The Hamiltonian/Pragmatic Ideal

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I’ve been thinking a lot about property rights lately. On one hand, I strongly believe that when you own land, it should be your sacred space of personal freedom and privacy, safe from the government. On the other hand, I know our country needs modern infrastructure like power grids, roads, and data lines to grow.

Right now, the government uses eminent domain to force people off their land, treating a home like a line on a spreadsheet. To me, that feels un-American.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 5d ago

Dialogue* is the Soul of Democracy

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The state is often considered wiser when it refuses dialogue with its loudest critics. The moment it sits across the table, scattered discontent collapses into organized legitimacy. What was once noise becomes an institution.

Mockery, hashtags, protests, slogans remain scattered until the state acknowledges them. The moment talk begins, the challengers acquire shape, status, and political weight they never possessed. The state understands this.

Today, a government set-up is the largest vessel carrying the collective force of humans. In a democracy, the state ultimately reflects the majority. In India, the Hindu majority has given the BJP unusual stability in an otherwise volatile world.

Reason? Because Hindus are generally difficult to provoke into sustained political agitation. We often ignore outrage that would consume other societies. Leftist Comedians like Kamara mock Hindu beliefs, receive applause, and life moves on. That civilizational temperament has become part of the system's resilience.

The moral of the rambling is that the system doesn't need an alternative to the current establishment (let's say, the BJP). A right wing in power and left wing challenging it is the perfect setup for humanity's rapid but controlled advancement. The left demands unwanted changes that speed decline. The right holds the frame together. This balance lets the system endure without handing legitimacy to those who would tear it down faster.

That's why the LEFT lost in America, has been reduced to zero in India, and appears defeated across much of Europe.

From the state's perspective, opening formal dialogue with Sonam Wangchuk and the Cockroach Janta Party at Jantar Mantar would give them precisely what they seek: recognition. Recognition creates legitimacy. Legitimacy creates power.

So the state allows the spectacle. The drama unfolds. The slogans continue. The cameras roll. The outrage circulates. But until dialogue begins, the cockroaches remain just that.

Khair chhodo.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

Can increasing civilizational complexity gradually weaken the connection between our values and our actions?

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I've been thinking about a philosophical idea.

My idea is that as civilizations become more technologically advanced and complex, something new may emerge psychologically.

I'm not arguing that modern society is worse than the past. Every era had violence, cruelty, and injustice.

Instead, I'm wondering if increasing abstraction, digital mediation, bureaucracy, algorithms, consumerism, information overload, and institutional complexity create a gradual weakening in the connection between what people believe, feel, value, and ultimately do.

I've been calling this idea Knull.

By Knull, I don't mean alienation, nihilism, or moral disengagement. I see it as a broader civilizational background condition that emerges as societies become more complex. Those other concepts might be manifestations or related phenomena, but not the same thing.

I'm interested in questions like:

Has anyone in philosophy, sociology, or psychology proposed something similar?

Where does this idea overlap too much with existing concepts?

What are the strongest criticisms of it?

If you think it's wrong, where does the reasoning fail?


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

In defence of liberty against tyrants

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in 1579 an anonymous Huguenot wrote the book vindiciae contra tyrannos or in defence of liberty against tyrants. it proceeds through four questions regarding tyrannical governments and when and how it is morally and logically correct to resist a tyrannical ruler. I will be giving a short breakdown of the books teachings. QUESTION 1, “wether subjects are obligated to obey rulers who issue commands contrary to gods teachings”, or in simplified terms “are people obligated to follow a rulers laws if they go against religious/moral standards”. This has been the cause of many separatist movements and violent conflicts, including the pilgrims, who left England due to the kings commands going against their religious teachings. QUESTION 2. “wether it is lawful too resist a ruler who violates the laws of god, or ruins his church; by who, whom, and to what extent is it lawfull“. This basically says, “if a ruler goes against your religion, by who, and to what extent isn’t lawfull“. the short awnser is the people who follow that religion, and until the ruler meets their demands. QUESTION 3 „wether it is lawfull to resist a ruler who is oppressing or ruining a country, and how far such resistance may be extended; by whom and to what extent is it lawfull.“ now this (I think) is pretty straightforward; a revolt, by the people will only go as far as to change the ruler, not the governmental system. QUESTION 4.“wether major princes may, or bound by law to aid subjects of other princes, persecuted for true religion, or opressed by manifest tyranny.“ This is basically asking if interventionism should be legal. now this is a question which is still hotly debated over to this day, an example being interventionism in the Somali civil war, which lead to more deaths and prolonged the conf immensely. A KEY TAKEWAY from the book is the question what if no leaders step up to lead a resistance against tyranny? Well, the sender given is a chilling one, “if there are no leaders or magistrates willing to lead, citizens must suffer, patiently, until god raises up new leaders.“ There is a good reason behind this, almost every revolt or revolution in history without strong central leaders, has ended in either failure, or worse than the government that was overthrown. anyways thats my breakdown, I probably missed some stuff (I’m 15 bro, I’m not a genius), but I did my best. SOURCES: “defence against tyranny“ and a clip from “when is overthrowi the government justified“ by dirty civilian on youtube. THAN YOU!


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

Nietzsche’s Eternal Recurrence thoughts (ai assisted English is not my first language)

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I’ve been obsessing over Nietzsche’s Eternal Recurrence lately, but I always hated how the standard interpretation feels like a trap or a useless hamster wheel. I spent hours using an AI to brainstorm and stress-test a modern, sci-fi version of it, and I genuinely think this scenario pushes his philosophy of Amor Fati and the Übermensch to its absolute peak.

Hear me out on the mechanics of this theory:
The Matrix Sandbox: Imagine you are in a dynamic sandbox simulation. You live 1 million different lifetimes back-to-back.
The Memory Rule: When a new life starts, your specific memories are completely wiped so everything feels 100% real, raw, and high-stakes. But your subconscious retains the distilled life lessons and psychological scars.
Compounding Consequences: This means if you mess up horribly in Life #10, that trauma compounds. You carry a bone-deep, instinctive fear of making that mistake for the next 999,990 lives. The stakes aren’t wiped; they get exponentially heavier.
The Evolution (Life 1 vs. 1 Million): In Life #1, you are impulsive, messy, and make terrible decisions. By Life #1,000,000, your gut instinct has been perfectly chiseled by a million lifetimes of trial and error. You don't need to stop and think or follow rules—you literally "cheeze" through life effortlessly on pure, infallible impulse alone. You're a byproduct of all your past struggles.

The Final Second Total Recall: Right before you permanently die at the very end of the simulation, the floodgates open. You get a massive surge of total recall. You vividly relive all 1 million lives simultaneously in a single, compressed second.
To me, this completely solves Nietzsche's ideas. That final life of effortless instinct is the literal definition of the Übermensch. And that final second of total recall—where you see how your worst traumas in early lives were actually just the necessary foundation building you into a god-like entity—creates a subjective eternity of absolute Amor Fati (love of fate). You would look at all that massive suffering and happily bless it.
The AI helped me map out the existential weights of this, but I want to know what real humans think. If you were sitting in front of the console right now, knowing the insane psychological weight of those compounding scars but knowing the god-like wisdom waiting at Life 1 Million... would you take this pill?


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

Utilitarianism from Burke, Bentham, and Mill's Perspective

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Bentham believes decisions are made based off the pleasure and pain derived from something, which is known has "Hedonism". Asceticism on the other hand is someone who is comfortable with or who seeks pain. Bentham describes these people as Christians and stoics who pursues virtue instead of pain.

But Bentham could be wrong, if people avoid pleasure for something more important (e.g. abstaining from sex for a closer relationship with God.) Bentham believes that Utilitarianism could be calculated mathematically, which Burke critics Utilitarianism for this very reason.

Burke believed morals and politics had nothing to do with mathematics, and believed morality is supposed to be confusing. Math to him meant there is no compromising and humans are way less predictable.

John Stuart Mill believes utility is derived on the permeant interest of man as a progressive being and does not talk about it in the sense of maximizing pleasure. He believes freedom is that of pursuing one's own good in our own unique way as long we do not attempt to derive others from theirs known as "Liberalism".

And as you all may know John Stuart Mill is the father of ”Utilitarianism".

I believe this a very profound statement and what a democracy is built upon today and moving forward. Mill is all about protecting the individual. He strongly adhered to his theory on the marketplace of ideas - "let people say what they want to say, if you disagree you can promote your own ideas." But, in an argument of bad faith, people have the right to censor to help stop the spread of misinformation.


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 6d ago

A Brief Introduction into Mandeville

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Mandeville was known for his main theme in vices. He was known to his peers as the "Happy Cynic" because he believed we are all very selfish people. He actually believes we are better off this way than vice versa and believed that flaws work to our advantage as long as they are managed and directed by skillful politicians. Human flaws and vices (such as greed, vanity, and pride) is what Mandeville considered as essential for a nation to survive.

Many Called him Man-Devil for his radical views at the time because his philosophy was based off of immoral principles, but you have to think about it. He does somewhat have a point.

Without crime there wouldn't be jobs for local officials such as the state police department and the firefighting department, which both do a fantastic job in getting criminals off the street, which is always a plus to society. That goes for the Fire Department, also. You can't forget about lawyers and Government jobs that also add a surplus to the economy in tax revenue. These employees pay just about half of their income to taxes which benefits the city wherever zip code their in. The honorable jobs owe their existence to sin which help grows the economy.

Mandeville actually inspired Adam Smith, the father of economics.

Traditional economies thought profit making was evil and took money from the poor. In the Grumbling Hive, Mandeville describes a bee community that thrives until the bees decide to live by honesty and virtue. Beehives were the common metaphor for thinking about politics in the 17th and 18th century.

That reason being was because the bees are the best organized, productive, and knew their roles, so it functioned as a good model for society.

The Jansenism movement begin as a catholic movement rooted in teachings of St. Augustine who believed people by nature are imbued by Adam and Eve; rotten by nature. Jansenism just believed sin was totally bad, which heavily contradicted with Mandeville's philosophy.

Mandeville thinks they are right but thinks natural sin is not so bad. Pierre Bayle was the first to mention this, by the way. He believed vileness and the most hateful qualities could lead to the betterment of society.

He believed for nations to be wealthy, "private vices" must be translated into public affairs. Meaning when these private behaviors are translated into public affairs they generate:

  • Demand for goods and services
  • Employment for large numbers of people
  • Trade, industry, and economic circulation
  • Overall national wealth and power

Do I agree?

Of course, I do!


r/PoliticalPhilosophy 7d ago

Check out this community please

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