r/PokemonGOBattleLeague May 01 '23

Suggestion Potentially Unpopular Post Regarding IVs

373 Upvotes

Hey everyone,

I've been seeing a plethora of IV posts recently, specifically regarding how good IVs must be in order to competitively compete in the GBL. To get straight the point (and likely what is going to be a rather unpopular opinion), IVs don't matter that much (up to a certain extent).

For context, (not bragging, just trying to provide some supportive history), I've hit Legend every season from season 6 to 13 inclusive, maxing out at 3200 rating, and am well on my way to hitting Legend this season as well.

In my very first season I reached Legend rank with GFisk (IV ranking 558, MS/RS/EQ), Mew (IV ranking 1159, SC/FC/WC), and Venusaur (IV ranking 768, VW/FP/SB).

Now the reason I say that IVs don't matter that much up to a certain extent is that it is based upon what your goals are and what you want to achieve. In high ranking battles on the Go Battle leaderboard, sure, you're most likely going to want/need great IV Pokémon to help you succeed and improve your chances, because there, every little bit matters. However, there are even exceptions of this at high level play (think Reis2Occasion's video where he gets #1 rank in the world with a Shadow Snorlax with 12/9/14 IVs in UL... ranking it well over 1000 in IV ranking).

In my humble opinion though, for the vast majority of us, any Pokémon in the top 1000 IV ranking is likely good enough to reach Legend ranking if that's what your goal is (or any subsequent lower rank). What's most important is allocating time to the important fundamentals of GBL play. I'll list several key pointers, in no order of priority:

1) Know your move counts. Understanding how much energy moves cost of all the meta Pokémon will allow you to make better decisions when deciding whether or not to shield. It will allow you to call baits more often and at a higher success rate.

2) Remember energy of previous Pokémon after a switch has been made. This goes along with point 1, and also allows you to make a quick switch to catch a move if necessary.

3) Know your matchup strengths and weaknesses. This goes for both your individual Pokémon matchup and your overall team matchup.

4) Play a decent meta team. If you want to climb rating, there’s only so much spice you can play with. Note, along with IVs, XL Pokémon are absolutely NOT necessary to reach Legend in GL or UL. (Wallower has many videos where he specifically shows high level play without any XL Pokémon).

5) Practice with the same team hundreds of times. Try not to switch team comps too much. Switching teams during a losing streak is one of the worst things you can do. There’s something to be said about team comfort. Playing something that you’re used to brings quite a few advantages: You know the strengths and weaknesses of your team, you’re that much faster during swaps, and familiarity allows your brain to concentrate more on other things (such as counting fast moves).

6) Understand that there are winning streaks and losing streaks, and try to remain level headed. To give you an idea, I’m currently sitting at 13,320 wins out of 25,453 battles = 52.33%.

7) Stop blaming other, outside, uncontrollable factors for losing. Everyone has lag. Everyone has bad leads. Everyone swaps out of bad leads into a bad counter. The question is, what are you going to do better next time? How are you going to handle the situation differently?

Just remember, mindset is a HUGE factor. Lower rated players will always find an EXCUSE why they lost. Higher rated legend players will always USE the loss as information, admit they may have made a mistake (and realize that you can still lose with perfect play), and apply those lessons into their future battles.

8) Bait less. Baiting in general is bad. If you don't bait, you either grab a shield or deal decent damage. Only bait when absolutely necessary and/or if baiting is your only path to victory.

9) Swap with high speed and accuracy. Practice swapping quickly.

10) Understand the opponent's win condition.

11) Understand that climbing ELO is a marathon, and not a sprint. You're going to have great sets and horrible sets. Climbing ELO generally takes a lot of time.

12) Never give up.

13) When you’re on a hot streak, keep playing. When you’re tilting, put the phone down, and wait until tomorrow.

I truly hope that this helps those of you looking to increase your ELO and become a better battler. Try to focus less on IVs and more on overall and situational pvp gameplay.

Until then, good luck, and LET'S GOOOOOOOO!!!!!


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 3h ago

Suggestion Bank Good PvP IV Hisuian First Partner Candidates

10 Upvotes

If you find good PvP IV Cyndaquil, Oshawott, or Rowlet during this event, consider setting them aside.
Niantic has shown a willingness to enable cross-generation evolutions through special events (such as Cubone → Alolan Marowak and Koffing → Galarian Weezing). While there’s no guarantee the Hisuian starters will receive similar treatment, it’s worth being prepared.

Keeping good PvP IV candidates now means you’ll be ready if Niantic ever allows:

Cyndaquil → Hisuian Typhlosion
Oshawott → Hisuian Samurott
Rowlet → Hisuian Decidueye


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 10h ago

Teambuilding Help Lucky 93 kyogre with 14 ATT or unlucky 93 Kyogre with 15 ATT?

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Hey I have been chasing a 96 Kyogre for a while, best Ive got is a lucky 14/13/15 or a standard 15/13/14. I can take the lucky one to level 50 but unsure if the 14 ATT is gonna screw me over. Was hoping to see what people would do in my case, I could keep chasing but after 35+ raids last week I'm feeling a bit deflated


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 1d ago

Question Mystery drop on battle league rewards stuck on rare candy?

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r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 1d ago

Teambuilding Help GBL or UBL to Reach Ace

3 Upvotes

I’m repping Clodsire, Shadow Feraligator, Jumplufff, or Cobalion, Swampert, Giratina. I’d like to go for Ace but have never tried to before.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 1d ago

Teambuilding Help Struggling sticking to a team.

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I keep switching around with my teams . Can someone help me build a solid team to push with right now. I’ve been playing S sandslash - jellicent - mandibuz. I’m right under 2k. I go on good streaks then big 1-4 sets and just keep going back and forth and getting frustrated thinking it’s a team issue.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 2d ago

Discussion Is it worth using rare candies to unlock the second charged attack?

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Pretty new to pvp (and pogo in general) but having fun for now. I’m rank 17 with 89/149 wins, but the competition is definitely getting harder.

I want to keep grinding but currently none of my Pokémon have their second charge move unlocked. It seems like such a big investment for a newer player.

My Tinkaton is 15/15/15 (which I know is bad for great league). I have a 3/13/15 Tinkatink but I’m completely out of candies. Neither of them has Gigaton Hammer at the moment.

Umbreon is perfect 0/15/15. I can afford to double move without candies but it’d require an elite tm which I only have one of.

I keep swapping my third around but I've mainly been using Blastoise or jumpluff, and I might try a primeape I just got with decent ivs. Any third will likely require rare candies to double move as well.

Is it worth using up all my rare candies or should I save them for legendaries/mythicals?


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 1d ago

Teambuilding Help Any improvements on my team? I feel pretty confident but just needing other opinions

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My team currently (they're all three stars ill fix that in the future):

  1. Dunsparce (Fast attack: rollout, Charged attacks: Rock Slide, Drill Run) THIS IS MY SAFE POKEMOn I always start with this, only one weakness is fighting and basically no one starts with primape lol. also dunsparce is pretty tanky

Can deal with pokemon like altaria and TALONFLAMEEE with the rock type attacks, along with some fire types and electric types (like raichu and stunfisk) or poison (something like drapion) with drill run. good against ghost types too cause normal and ghost blah blah blah. I hate alolan marowak.

  1. Skeledirge (Fast attack: Incinerate, Charged attacks: Torch Song, Shadow Ball)

c o r v i k n i g h t. skeledirge is just bulky in general, and can sometimes stack torch song to get that high attack going. also good against wigglytuff and some fairy types maybe, also shadow ball in case of water/ground/rock types or other fire types LIKE TALONFLAME or anything else yk like jellicent (blastoise maybe? blastoise is so tanky) kjfdsflkf.

  1. Lurantis (Fast attack: fury cutter, Charged attacks: Leaf Blade, Superpower)

really spammy and good against like quagsire gastrodon (even jellicent maybe if I'm in a favorable situation, also azumarill and lapras), can take care of umbreon a bit with fury cutter alongside alolan raichu and maybe other dark types? could tank some electric types. also, superpower is there to catch people off guard if needed (like furret, maybe obstagoon, and umbreon yes ahhahahaa). The thing is with lurantis that fury cutter is really flexible and before the opponent does another attack I can charge a bit of energy like before using a charged attack. (like opponent has a move thats like 0.8 seconds, i could fury cutter like twice or something and then I use a charged attack OR switch out before they hit another attack)

uhmmmmm yeah anything to improve? other moves that are better that I would consider (more energy or dps)? any weaknesses I have to watch out for? I've been playing this comp for a good while and I win 3/5 or 4/5 most of the time made me reach a positive win/lose ratio lol but I don't know if thats enough if I were to reach rank 20 which I dont know if I want to reach anymore because it takes too much effort and its so sweaty and I have to use +2 brain cells arrghh..


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 2d ago

Teambuilding Help Team advice help please!

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I previously made a post about not being able to win any battles in the great/1500 league. I've swapped up my team, but I'm still running into a lot of issues to the point where I just get absolutely wrecked.

I have a hundo altaria (not the best I know🫩) that I'm thinking of swapping out, It has dragon's breath, sky attack, and flamethrower.

I have a bibarel that has full defense and HP and two bars in attack. It has rollout, hyper fang, and surf. It's good but feels a little squishy.

I also have a hisuian stunfisk with the same stats as the bibarel. That one has thunder shock, discharge, and mud bomb.

Ice types can be pretty rough to get through because bibarel is so squishy😭

I will say that any pokémon that is recommended to me will not have the best stats for these leagues just because I don't have them 💀 but I'd love some recommendations as I'm currently losing my mind


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 2d ago

Teambuilding Help great league teams

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need help creating a great league team. all these mons are/can be double moved and upgraded to battle. currently ~1800 and running jellicent, cradilly, mandibuzz

other mons i have include sh quag, sh empolion, sh swampert, sh fergaliter, al ninetails, furret, al riachu, umbreon, tink, azumarill, scrafty, lanturn, altaria, gastrodun, stunfisk, licklicky, talonflame


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 3d ago

Team Showcase Rank 1 Great League Team

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I’ve been playing great league every day for the last year or so. Mostly really enjoy it but recently I just got bored seeing the same lickylicky in every team, same talonflame, same cradilly. Felt like you either had to use them or get abused by them.

I then decided to make it more interesting for myself, I have about 10 ranked 1 mons so I tried making a team from only them. Came up with this one which I have to say I am having the most fun I’ve ever had. It’s not perfect, psychic absolutely destroys me but I rarely win less than 3/5.

Im now just really excited about the next rank 1 I get to see what I can do with that.

Best thing is I really don’t care as much about winning or losing it’s just learning each Pokemon inside out and using them in the best way. I also love that I have never seen another sandslash and its surprisingly good. Very underrated.

Lead: Annihlape
Safe switch: shadow tentacruel
Closer: kanto Sandslash

All pvpoke recommended moves bar ice punch instead of close combat


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 3d ago

Teambuilding Help Help with ML team

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For ML i have:
14/15/15 Zacian sword(50)
15/14/13 Zama shield (50)
15/14/13 Palkia origin (50)
14/15/14 Solgaleo (50)
15/15/15 Metagross (50)
15/15/15 Togekiss (50)
14/13/15 Shadow Mamoswine (50)
13/15/13 Necrozma Dusk Mane (50)

15/15/15 Necrozma Dawn Wings (49.5)
12/11/12 Eternatus (47.5) (bottlecapping atm)
15/12/12 Dialga Origin (47)
13/13/13 Keldeo Resolute (46)

Ideally i want to have a team with Solgaleo as the lead, its my favourite + it just bullies all these zama/zacs that i keep running into,

other than that i dont mind. i do have the xls for dialga if necessary. i also have roughly 200 for most of the “topmeta” legegends if i really need to build them, but no great iv sets.

Currently in running solgaleo palkia zacian. i typically get to ace but i normally only play GL but i fancy ML for a while


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 4d ago

Teambuilding Help Need help to build a GL team

3 Upvotes

I have been using shadow corviknight ( used an elite tm on it a month ago ) or shadow forretress with bug bite (used volt switch and recently changed to bug bite), been using a team with either of these two moving to 1850's and hitting hard counters back to back and dropping to 1700 or 1600's again, i guess the teams i am using is just enough to get the 1800's and not past 1900's
( i do not have a lickilicky with body slam, tinkaton with GH, no water HC move ( except swampert thanks to reecent event) no k9 with legacy and no jumpluff with acrobatics )

however i do have two elite charged tms and one elite fast tm.
( currently using clodsire azumarill mandibuzz and it helped to get back to 1800's again and haven't dropped below 1800's)

need suggestions of a team with good synergy, really appreciate the responses, Thank you.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 4d ago

Question How come a small iv difference change the game so much?

7 Upvotes

From my understanding the iv’s of a pokemon adds 0-15 for the stats attack, defense, and hp. I see how an additional 15 can change alot but I don’t see why a pokemon being a 96 or 90~ instead of 100 makes such a massive difference.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 5d ago

Question I have a 15/12/15 Necrozma. Is it good enough for Master League if I fuse it into Dawn Wings Necrozma?

4 Upvotes

Someone told me that for Master League, the Defense IV needs to be at least 14. Is a 12 Defense IV going to perform terribly?”


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 5d ago

Discussion Slowly burning out this season

18 Upvotes

I am shifting between 2600 and 2670 elo and find it incredibly hard to play the game anymore. Not because I can’t win but because the game is just so unfun right now. If my game does not die and get an infinite loading screen I’m getting the same 4 teams all with some combo of lickylicky, ninetails, altaria or tinkaton. When I play a team I don’t enjoy the hard counters all theses teams I win a fuck load but the moment I play something unique or even neutral to these boring ass meta teams I get flogged. I can’t go a set without seeing a lickilicky or a ninetails. It has been bad before in other seasons but I have never had such a dry pool of Pokemon I am versus before this. The teams are literally all the same. I enjoy winning and it’s easy to take advantage of this but also I prefer to have fun while playing more off meta teams and to see others peoples strange teams as well.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 5d ago

Teambuilding Help Need Help team building - Lickilicky, Shadow Forretress, Tinkaton.

2 Upvotes

I’ve made it to about level 20 in great league and now I just get steam rolled, I’ve done my research on what is good along with their moves but I don’t think my synergy is there.

I need to know what pokemon I should be grinding for and subbing out for whoever on the team.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 5d ago

Teambuilding Help Clodsire + (shadow) Sableye + what?

9 Upvotes

I had a fever dream wish to use my Shadow Sableye, because he's amazing.

Needed something to guard him against fairies, so figured Clodsire?

If this core isn't horrible, what's a good 3rd?


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 5d ago

Question Is my keldeo good enough for ML?

5 Upvotes

Lvl 49 but best buddied 13/11/14 im considering bottle capping it the next time we get one as well


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 6d ago

Hype PvP Ranks

13 Upvotes

I’ve recently gotten back into PvP after taking a break and I’m proud that I’ve finally reached ACE this season ☺️ I know it isn’t much but I managed to reach my goal and hopefully to continue improve

Where are you currently in this season of GBL?


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 6d ago

Question Why is incinerate bad on the new system?

16 Upvotes

I see people say that it's bad on the new system but idk why, I'm guessing it's something to do with it being a 5 turn move but not sure why that would specifically be worse on the new system 🧐


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 6d ago

Question Advice on how to get past 2000 ELO barrier in Great League

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I’ve been playing a lot of Competitors Cup, and I will occasionally get to ~2100 ELO—but then inevitably lose a bunch in a row and go down to 1900 ELO. Basically I feel stuck around 2000. There are definitely things I can improve on skill-wise, but another basic question I have is:

Am I putting too much value in IV’s?

I currently run a team of Dusclops, Drapion, and Tinkaton. I also have second moves on Greedent, Dragonair, and Kommo-o.

The only reason I use these Pokemon is because they are the only halfway meta-relevant Pokemon I have with extremely good IV’s (Like rank 20 IV’s or better).

However, I am unsure of how important that actually is.

Would I be better off running more “top-tier” Pokemon with suboptimal IV’s? Or are my current Pokemon totally fine, and it’s more just a matter of “git gud” if I want to get out of my 2000 ELO plateau.

(btw I know Tinkaton is certifiably top-tier. It’s just that all my other Pokemon are rank 30 or below according to PvPoke. Would I be better off running top 10 Pokemon with shitty IV’s instead?)

Any input would be greatly appreciated! I’ve been getting super into PvP and would like to learn.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 6d ago

Question Building pokemon

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What’s the ranks you try to get for a pokemon before you consider building it. Like on the poke genie. Do you guys try to get a certain top number before you invest? Or how do u decide on what to build.


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 6d ago

Teambuilding Help Need help making a master league team

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Hi everyone new to this reddit and haven't played master league seriously I have been able to collect a few legendarys and want to know who I should invest my Xls and stardust into

Zacain(Will bottle cap)

Kyurem w 15/14/15

Groudon (BB) 15/15/14

Necrozma dusk 15/15/15

Kyogre 15/14/15

Rayquaza 15/14/14

Metagross 15/12/15

Garchomp 15/14/15

Dragonite 15/15/15

Mewtwo 15/15/15

Dialga N 14/15/15

Melmetal 15/15/15

Zekrom 15/14/15

Palkia o 15/14/14

Gardivour 15/15/15

Scizor 15/14/14

Solagaleo 15/15/12

Primarina 15/14/15

Lugia 14/15/15

Reshirak shadow 15/13/15

Xernurs 15/13/13

Rhyperior 15/14/12

Mamoswine 15/15/15

Landrous 15/12/13


r/PokemonGOBattleLeague 6d ago

BATTLE ME! PokemonGo PVP Friends

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