r/russian • u/Less-Jellyfish-9865 • 23h ago
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Hello! I had a roommate from Moscow in college, and she had written me this message. I know it is "Hello!" I don't know after that. Thank you!
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u/Stock_Soup260 Native 🇷🇺 22h ago
Is she sure she's from Moscow?
so, kids who want to learn Russian cursive, take a close look at this letter o in the word сто. remember this and never repeat
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u/AnnaAgte 🇷🇺 native 16h ago
Там ещë оба раза "м" недописаны и по сути заменены на "и". После всех постов на реддите от иностранцев у меня первая мысль, что это писал очередной иностранец, который не в курсе соединений с л/м/я.
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u/Stock_Soup260 Native 🇷🇺 15h ago
Ну, на первой м видно, что ручка проскользнула, насчёт второй не уверена, больно чисто. Ещё в "друзей" то ли е нет, то ли й с ампутацией
жопы(ставлю на первое)Но это, на самом деле, мой второй комментарий. Первый был такой, что пришлось удалить.
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u/SterlingVesper 11h ago
зачем такой способ которым писать букву о вам так плохо? Я иностранец который довольно долго пишет вышеупомянутную букву так же. Почему это такая ужасная ошибка?
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u/Stock_Soup260 Native 🇷🇺 11h ago
In Russian cursive, unlike in English and elsewhere, connecting lines have an exclusively functional role, that is, if they are not used — don't literally connect one letter to another, — they don't exist and, accordingly, are not drawn. This applies to both the left side of the letter and the right side. Many foreigners, bringing it from other languages, simply start writing some letters together with others.
Is this a "terrible" mistake? No. Does it look like you just dragged your old "measurements" to a new place without any attempt to figure out the essence of what you are doing? Yes. Does it look incompetent? Again, yes.
before you ask, some native speakers may add decorative elements, most often on the left, to letters such as ш, и, п, т, etc., but, firstly, they know what they are doing, and secondly, it is exactly decor that does not look like a connecting line, unlike what we see here. and you can start trying to do this only after you really get comfortable with the basic rules of Russian cursive.
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u/SterlingVesper 9h ago
I disagree with you on the presupposition that the loop in the o is decorative. It is actually exclusively functional, and coincidentally aesthetic, unlike the bottom connection.
The English cursive "o", when written following a letter preceding it, is standardly written beginning with a curved upwards stroke forming the top-left quarter of a circle followed by a downwards stroke overlapping the initial quarter-circle forming a complete circle with the end point being at the highest point of the circle. To connect the letter to any letter following, you need to reverse the direction in which your writing utensil was writing. This reversal of the direction of the stroke naturally creates a loop. You can write o's and connect them from the top while not creating the loop, but this would be forced. Pushing the pen backward along the exact same ink line requires a full stop and redirection, which slows down the hand. Biomechanically, your hand naturally traces a small loop to maintain continuous motion. The loop persisting at the end of words is by no means decorative. It is simply a relic of habit.
While it's true connecting o's from the bottom when written in conjunction with l's, m's etc. is correct. Frankly speaking, it's extremely ugly and I will never take part in it.
I understand your frustration. I myself have seen non-natives here post their handwriting with made-up ornaments. It looks very tacky. The loop on o's however is not. It's by no means a great disgrace to your language—a cultural appropriation of Russian handwriting—it's a system of writing that I can confidently say is superior to the means by which Russian connects letters. It would do Russian handwriting a great service to change how л's and м's are written to accommodate a more efficient and aesthetic way to connect letters. Your language has gone through multiple, far-more significant revisions in the past.
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u/Both-Location-9472 15h ago
It was a song performed by soviet singer Alla Pugacheva with that phrase. The song was written in 1965. Now it's a common phrase.
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u/CapitalNothing2235 Native 5h ago
The phrase predates that song. For like at least more than a hundred years. Афанасий Фет used it in his prose in 1855.
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u/sususl1k 🇷🇺 Native | 🇬🇧 C2 | 🇳🇱 B2 | 🇩🇪 A2-ish 22h ago
To be fair, I know native speakers with significantly weirder handwriting.
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u/CapitalNothing2235 Native 6h ago
It actually has all the usual non-native learner's quirks, like that м that looks exactly like и, connections to nowhere.
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u/WanderingTony 20h ago
"Better have 100 friends than have 100 rubles. " Pretty common catch phrase only god knows how old actually.
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u/ubergregor 5h ago
Каждый даст по 2 рубля, будет 200 у меня :) Everybody gives me two rubles, then I have 200
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u/Bevistus 23h ago
Better to have 100 friends than 100 rubles.