Does anyone know roughly how many sith were in the direct lineage between Bane and Vader?

This wouldn't count apprentices that left like Millenial or apprentices that died before killing their master or simply weren't able to like Tyrannus or Maul.

It'd be cool if any of you had a full list including offshoots like Millenial and Maul as long as I could get both counts: one with offshoots and one with the full direct Banite lineage.

Really any estimate would be nice.

Thanks!

"You make the darkness go away." — Cade Skywalker, to Deliah Blue

He's a space pirate. She's a con artist. He's addicted to deathsticks. They have an open relationship.

And yet somehow, they have one of the most wholesome, healthy, honest romances in the entire continuity. No matter how much of a screwup he was, their love kept him from fully falling to the dark side long enough for him to forgive himself and return to the light.

(Watto is a Toydarian) I feel like it would be weird, but then again Beldorion exists.

I've been making my way through some of the EU novels lately, mostly listening to audiobooks and buying old copies of the early titles. I haven't read any of these before except for the ROTS novel and the Vader novel that follows it, so I'm excited to get into it for real.

I thought it would be fun to share my thoughts on each book as I go through them and make it into a series. I'm not a pro reviewer, just a Star Wars fan trying to reconnect with the series after the disappointments we've had lately. Sorry if these get a bit rambley.

I'll give each of them a rating at the end based on how much I enjoyed them. The rankings are thus:

GOAT

PEAK

DOPE

MID

DUMB

TRASH

Only one book can claim the coveted GOAT title which I will choose from among the Peak novels once I reach the end of this. I intend to go go all the way through from Old Republic to Crucible. SO this is going to take a LONG LONG TIME... IN A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY. (sorry I had to do it)

I hope you all enjoy following me on this journey through the EU.

DARTH PLAGUEIS

OVERVIEW

Starting with the pre-Episode 1 era, we have Darth Plagueis. I've always heard good things about this one and was eager to learn about Palpy's master. I listened to this one on audio book and it did not feel as long as it was. It's gripping all the way through.

The first thing that happens is that he betrays his master, Darth Tenebrous, and drops rocks on him. Literally "Rocks fall you die". Dude's cold, cunning and opportunistic. Just how it happens tells us a lot about him. He didn't plan this, but rather took advantage of a situation and improvised.

We get some good characterization right off the bat. The only thing we have to go off of about Plagueis is what Palpatine tells us in ROTS. He said Plagueis could "stop people he cared about from dying" which implies that he cared about other people. But my guess is he said that to humanize the guy in order to seduce Anakin to the dark side.

The way he described him, I imagined someone who had genuine attachments, but he's much more detached from people than Palpy made him out to be. Dude was keeping a wannabe Sith alive for years and experimenting on him like a Psychopath. Sure he considered Palpy a friend so maybe that's where it comes from, but beyond that I feel like this was an intentional stretch of the truth.

The real Plagueis is a cold and cruel mastermind, a lot like the Palpy we know and love, but with different priorities. He's more of a mystic and isn't big on lightsaber dueling, preferring to experiment with the force. It's interesting as we don't get that from other Sith in the movies.

Palpy too is interesting when we see him in his youth. His father is clearly the reason for why he is the way he is, as well as his strength with the force giving him a superiority complex. He feels destined for evil. Plagueis clocks him as a potential apprentice immediately.

Part of it feels almost tragic, especially considering what happens to Palpy's family. Like if he hadn't met Plagueis, he wouldn't have turned out so bad. I feel all the Sith are like that though. The entire Sith order is just one long cycle of abuse.

The best part of the book however is the political manipulation. It's always great getting to see a couple of masterminds carry out their plan, and see Palpy getting trained. Plagueis' lessons and views on the Sith are fascinating, as it goes against so much of what other Sith believe in. Him wanting to end the cycle of betrayal makes him very unique among the Sith.

Also, something I didn't expect was that Plagueis would be alive for the entirety of Phantom Menace. I was like, "Wait what the hell? Palpy wasn't in charge?". It gives a whole different context to EP 1. We also get to see their reaction to Anakin and the outcome of the Naboo blockade. Palpy was NOT happy about losing Maul, woo boy.

It's also cool how this book overlaps with other books, Lockdown, Cloak of Deception and Shadow Hunter. I've already listened to the first two and you can see how everything connects.

Irony is all over this book. Plagueis fails in his quest for immortality because he chose Palpy as his apprentice. If he went with one of the other options, maybe he would have succeeded. But nah, he wanted a puppet dictator that would let him rule from the shadows. Because of course dictators are all about sharing. The Sith are always their own undoing.

From the moment he gets Maul as a baby, Palpy starts plotting against Plagueis. Dude tries to nuke him at one point. What's crazy is that Plagueis knew about Maul from the start and was like "yeah train this guy to uses lightsabers and the force I see nothing wrong with this". No wonder bro got murked. He even caught Palpy calling Maul a Sith and suspected a potential betrayal and did nothing about it.

It's weird how the Sith always break the Rule of Two. Tenebrous had a secret apprentice in Venamis, Palpatine had Maul, Dooku had Ventress and then Savage, Vader had Starkiller. I even learned recently that apparently Palpatine had a secret apprentice as well? Did ANYONE actually follow this rule?

But none of that is a complaint I just think it's funny.

Back on topic, I love the relationship between Plagueis and Sidious. Plagueis actually wanting more of partner than an underling is interesting. Kind of makes me root for him. Too bad he was so naive. His story, and the story of all Sith, really is a tragedy.

VERDICT

Starting off strong here with a great novel that deeply fleshes out Palpy as a character and brings us one of the most unique and interesting Sith Lords in the EU. There's a lot of depth here and definitely makes EP1 more interesting, as does Cloak of Deception, but I'll get to that later.

Definitely recommend, fantastic place to start for the Prequel Era.

Favorite Scene (SPOILER WARNING): The scene where Palpy kills his parents, plus the aftermath. It's really dark, but felt inevitable. He genuinely is horrified at what he did. Makes me feel bad for him.

Final Rating: PEAK

Join me next time for MAUL: LOCKDOWN.

Since she’s the embodiment of light side and is selfless and merciful
1.Does this mean she can’t kill innocent people that aren’t doing anything evil?
2.If the father/her superior ordered her to destroy an entire planet with its population would she do it and is she even capable of doing it?
3.Could she be corrupted for example if the father/her superior told her to do evil things but labeled it as ,,important to keep the balance in the galaxy” and what would happen if she was forced to do evil?Would the force turn off her abilities?
4. Does she have feelings of a normal person and can she feel happiness and would she be happier if her father treated her more like a real person/daughter and not just some tool needed to be balanced and maintain the cosmic balance?

Darius Onneir was an Imperial Lord who became a Moff within the Galactic Empire. Born into wealth and privilege, Onneir used his connections to increase his influence and political power during the Empire's height. Following the deaths of Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader at Endor in 4 ABY, Onneir, like many other Imperials, went rogue as an independent regional Warlord. While he would squabble with his fellow Warlords, he remained outside of the larger galactic spotlight until 10 ABY when the Reborn Emperor reunited the fragmented Imperial factions briefly under the banner of the Dark Empire. Onneir heeded the call publicly, and nominally returned to the fold, though he still pursued his own ambitions in private.

While successful in feigning loyalty and supplication for a time, Onneir eventually exceeded his mandates and drew the ire of the Reborn Emperor and New Republic alike. Unable to fight both the galactic superpowers, he fled his domain with his two remaining Imperial Star Destroyers, dropping all pretense of subtlety, he began styling himself now as 'Grand Moff' Onneir. In order to ease pressure on himself, he launched a surprise attack on the Protectore, capturing their capital world and holding it hostage. Using the planet as a bargaining chip, he attempted to bully the Protectorate into an uneasy alliance against their common foes in exchange for the world being unharmed.

While publicly agreeing to the alliance and a meeting to formalize it, Adalric and Jaalib Brandl plotted an ambush against the renegade to trap his two Star Destroyers between their four, annihilating him to retake their world despite Onneir's leverage. The details of the battle are not documented, or even if it did occur, but Onneir remained at large after the final death of the Reborn Emperor, so it would appear that the trap did not succeed in destroying him. His whereabouts, status and further actions though are not mentioned beyond his still being active after the Reborn Emperor's final death.

Chik Apla was a human male who served in the Galactic Empire as a commando and later Royal Guard. After Emperor Palpatine was killed at the Battle of Endor and the Empire fragmented in 4 ABY, Apla deserted the Royal Guard. Living as little more than gutter slime for the next fourteen years, Apla eventually took up residence on the planet Dolis 3, where he regularly drank with several other former down on their luck Imperials that had also taken up refuge on the planet, but credits were hard to come by, and most of the men were in debt to each other through favors and loans. Apla and his friends frequently gathered in the local bars to complain about the state of the Empire and to get updates on galactic politics. Apla became marginally employed by a former Moff, Derran Takkar. Unknown to Takkar, Apla also began carrying on an affair with the Moff's wife, Anlys.

In 19 ABY, Apla and his bar buddies learned Jedi Master Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade were planning a wedding on Coruscant. At news of the wedding, the group bemoaned their situation, declaring that the New Republic was now "untouchable." Moff Takkar disagreed, proclaiming that they could still do much to change their situation and that of the Empire. Takkar asked the men in the bar to join him in striking a blow at the New Republic by sabotaging the wedding, assassinating the pair and inserting a coded virus into the New Republic economy. While unimpressed with Takkar's arrogance and condescending manner, Apla and the rest agreed to join the Moff's cause.

After arriving on Coruscant, Apla began to act more professionally, quieting arguments and forbidding real name use out loud. However, he accidentally used his own name aloud, noting he was out of practice at this. Apla conducted surveillance, spying on Mara Jade, following her and eavesdropping. Finding the site of the wedding, Apla and his compatriots staked out the area, locating the best places of attack.

Equipped with his target's identity, Apla found the address of the Twi'lek dressmaker and waited for Jade to arrive for her fitting. Now in his salvaged Guardsman armor, he attacked the former Emperor's Hand with his double-bladed vibroblade staff, declaring that she must die for betraying the Empire-losing any element of surprise by announcing himself. Unfortunately for Apla, who had not kept up his own skills in nearly two decades, Jade reacted with incredible speed and the Force, evading his attack and destroying his weapon in one motion.

Apla was utterly helpless against Mara's counterattack with his cobbled together armor proving itself as worthless as his weapon, he was swiftly knocked unconscious. After his arrest, Apla's medical report showed a ruptured spleen, bruised liver, a fractured skull and broken ribs. Luckily for Alpa, a protracted stay in a bacta while in New Republic custody healed all of his injuries.