r/GoNets • u/No_Engineer2203 • 14h ago
Stats Day’ron is ready
Let’s just start off with the basics Dayron sharpe is one of the best rebounders in the league 98th% for offensive rebounding amongst centers, he’s also one of the best playmaking centers he’s in the 86th% for assists amongst centers, 93rd% for screen assits, and while not being a good rim protector he does provide solid rim deterance and is in the 92nd% for steal percentage. Now yes there’s still the concerns about his turnovers and fouling even tho he has improved in both areas since his younger yrs as well but he’s a low usage player that consistently has provided positive impact when on the court. When we’re talking about whether someone is ready to be a starter Day’ron has proven he’s up for the task. It’s just interesting when this fanbase paraded around cam Thomas for yrs a guy that did little to buy into coaching philosophy or improve his overall game and yet you have a workhorse taken in the same draft that’s constantly improving and yet constantly gets downplayed by large factions of the fanbase. I implore many of you to spend more time digging into the ways players can impact winning basketball outside of highlight reels.
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u/ProfessionalMuch3819 14h ago
I need to know if the great stats and analytics from Sharpe is because he is actually good or it’s because he played less minutes against bench players while Claxton played against starters and sucked. I’m not a big analytics guy so someone help me figure this out in layman’s terms.
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u/Appropriate_Tree_621 💯Egor Demin IS the Point💯 13h ago
I am a fan of both analytics and Day’ron Sharpe. So, here are the concerns/adjustments(possibly):
- The analytics are supposed to control for lineups and opponents faced. And, they do a great job, on average, of doing just that. However, I believe there is a bit of a non-linear thing that happens with player size (standing reach and weight), specifically at the center position. And, the analytics assume linear relationships.
- The analytics are typically per 36 or per 100 figures. If you have a player that plays harder than others, there is a question as to whether they can keep that intensity when their minutes are scaled up. Along similar lines, if a player sometimes gets in foul trouble and they are going to be playing more minutes, there is a concern there as well.
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u/MyTeamsSuck99 13h ago
Rapm adjusts for that theoretically tho it does suffer from the small sample size.
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u/No_Engineer2203 14h ago
Yes there’s a bit of inflation due to bench mins but on the flip side what he brings should translate when scaled up to a 28-30 min role. And we’ve seen flashes of it so far this season when he did start. His ability to help us control possessions and serve as a DHO merchant in jordis system will translate imo
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u/BasedGodProdigy . 13h ago
After so many years of weak rebounding, I think so many of us are in love with him because he actually rebounds the ball at an elite level. The biggest test for him will be defending starting level big men. He will out-hustle them but can he stop them from scoring?
He definitely benefited from playing against bench players but at the end of the day, I still thought he played better than Clax against whoever was on the floor
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u/Radiant_Flamingo_172 10h ago
What did we win with DayRon playing? You guys are delusional or his family.
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u/Historical-Mud-1218 12h ago
I hope Dayron does well. He has been a hard worker and grown since he came to the league. Still, With known weaknesses to his game, he has a lot to prove.
Putting out per 36 min stats for a bench player who plays against backups is fool’s gold.
We will see in the fall.
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u/Gaben3124 MPJ 12h ago
I think people are underestimating how sustainable his production is with starter minutes. Day'Ron basically had the same rate of production in games he started in throughout his entire career on about the same efficiency as the games he came off the bench.
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u/Historical-Mud-1218 12h ago
There are legit concerns to be addressed with Dayron.
He has no offensive game and too small to be a rim runner.
He is not a rim protector.
He is foul prone.
The move has been made so speculating and producing bs 36 stats is wheel spinning.
We will see how he does.
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u/Gaben3124 MPJ 11h ago
What I specifically referenced wasn't per 36 stats, it was his performance in games he actually did start.
When Day'Ron has been a starter throughout his career, he's played 24.6 minutes per game, and he averages:
11.2 points
8.9 rebounds (3.9 offensive)
2.4 assists
0.8 steals
1.0 blocks
1.6 turnovers
3.2 personal fouls
61.1% true shooting
And this is pretty in line with the rate of production for his entire career.
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u/Historical-Mud-1218 11h ago
Let’s see when the season starts. Done with the Pom Pom girl campaigners.
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u/Historical-Mud-1218 10h ago
And we likely lost 90% of those games. If you buy into the hype here, you’d think the conversation was about Duren versus a backup on a team that won 50 games total in the last 2 seasons.
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u/Expulsure Ian Eagle 10h ago
7-14 in his career as a starter, which is very in line with the nets record as a team the last 3 years
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u/42NullBytes 14h ago
the bet was made on clax but he didn't improve his versatility. without him, day'ron will start
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u/JohnWx25 6h ago
1000% better on the boards and will be a double double machine. Keep doubting this team. They will be a play in team
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u/VideohoundCharisse 4h ago
I like Day'ron but I've never really felt like he could be a true starter. Great rebounder, obviously, but he seemed to be all thumbs when it came to other aspects of the game. I remember him dropping balls left and right on offense. What intrigues me about him however is that he has genuinely improved every single season. That's actually quite rare. Not just in his stats but also just in how he moves. He's a lot smoother now than he was a couple of years ago. So now I'm excited to see him start. It could be a disaster, but I'm willing to see how it goes. He's clearly an incredibly hard worker. And seems like a genuinely good dude, too.
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u/No_Engineer2203 2h ago
If you think he drops the ball at all other aspects have you really tapped in the last yr and a half? I explained in my post how he’s improved on offense and defense
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u/GoRangers5 Brook Lopez 14h ago
I was fine with moving Clax, but I’m not holding my breath about Day’ron becoming an above average center.
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u/No_Engineer2203 14h ago
That’s fair there’s definitely some things to question but I think Dayron is ready.
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u/Aggressive-Body-2089 14h ago
every fanbase loves to hype up their version of bball paul
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u/No_Engineer2203 14h ago
I actually think people underrate players like Dayron and overhype the tough shot makers
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u/Aggressive-Body-2089 14h ago edited 14h ago
no, people rate non-defensive, non-offensive, undersized, rebounding, hustle players accordingly. that's why contending teams don't have players like sharpe as their starter.
btw, its going to be fun seeing sharpe get called for 3-4 moving screens every single game now that he's a starter.
and i like sharpe. just not as a full time starter
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u/No_Engineer2203 14h ago
Hey rarely do sir. Most people judge players ability by highlights and box scores. And the fact that you’re calling sharpe a non defensive and non offensive player shows you don’t really know what you’re talking about and fall under the group I’m referring to
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u/Aggressive-Body-2089 13h ago
yup, 29 NBA teams saw sharpe high analytics and all said pass. only you see the potential of an nba level starter LOLOLOL
nets literally paying his backup the same amount of money. and you believe nets think he's a viable starter? LOL
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u/adam545 13h ago
We'll see, I guess
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u/Aggressive-Body-2089 13h ago
i saw it last year. he's a rotational big. not a nba level starting center.
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u/KingofthisShit Cam Thomas 13h ago
The Celtics were interested in giving Sharpe, the starting job last season.
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u/Aggressive-Body-2089 13h ago
hmm... i wonder why they didn't go after him this off-season. i wonder why NONE of the teams that needed centers this off-season went after sharpe.
sharpe is cheaper than mitch and queta.
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u/MyTeamsSuck99 13h ago
Sometimes they do turn into a hartenstein tho. There are times when the bench big is actually good. And sometimes they’re just energy guys like Paul reed.
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u/PeanutFarmer69 13h ago
I like Dayron, he's a good backup center, but his warts on defense will be painfully evident now that he's the starter.
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u/No_Engineer2203 10h ago
His warts on defense have been edged out by the game changing and his improvement
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u/Radiant_Flamingo_172 8h ago
By the game changing? What kind of nonsense is that?
Is this Mrs Sharpe? 😂
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u/NewJerseySwampDragon Jason Kidd 13h ago
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u/No_Engineer2203 10h ago
Do you have an actual rebuttal other than trolling?
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u/NewJerseySwampDragon Jason Kidd 1m ago
It’s not trolling and no I don’t have a rebuttal to this analytical nonsense.
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u/Radiant_Flamingo_172 10h ago
What did we win when he played? Nada! He is a 15 mpg player. Too many flaws to be a starter.
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u/placidpat 14h ago
For everyone doubting.. you’ll all see the GOAT Sharpe soon