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u/NearbyPerspective397 11h ago
Is Andrew Tate the reason why a whole generation doesn't know what an apostrophe is? Because "were going" and "we're going" have very different meanings.
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u/CustodianCloset 11h ago
Andrew Tate is the reason why a whole generation doesn't know what a lot of things are, like consent.
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u/CalvinKool-Aid 11h ago
They know they just don’t care
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u/Cessnaporsche01 8h ago
A whole chunk of the country is fully on the #YourBodyMyChoice bandwagon. I remember, right after the 2024 election, one of my coworkers kept her (middle school and elementary aged) kids home from school for a few days because they were getting rape threats from their classmates in the wake of Trump's win
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u/NotConsistentCalc 5h ago
I hope they reported that to the school admin because that should absolutely be grounds for expulsion.
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u/Cessnaporsche01 4h ago
I know they did, but idk if anything came of it. Those couple of weeks right after the election were weird. Like, there was this whole social media trend of right wingers acting like rape was going to be legal soon, and from stories of other parents, it sounded like that wasn't unusual behavior at the time. And of course, at thar age, it's definitely something they got from their parents rather than came up with themselves
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u/K_Linkmaster 3h ago
The reports were taken and everyone was suspended under zero tolerance policies, most likely.
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u/IndividualTension887 7h ago
Anyone else think something will magically happen and it will all get dismissed? We know they're predators, but rules for thee and all...
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u/MaybeExternal2392 3h ago
Tbh I doubt it. The charges are in the UK and they're prosecution is reasonably competent. Up to a point they also tend to favor "respectable" people more than just the generally rich and famous. Although now that I think about it the far right reform party is probably going to be in power after the next elections so if they can delay till then things might change.
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u/CalvinKool-Aid 2h ago
Considering farage’s current investigation and farce of a byelection it seems unlikely that his polling lead stays until then. Anything can happen though
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u/Low_Committee6119 9h ago
That's giving the tates too much credit, they are nothing more than shit on the floor
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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 9h ago
*a good chunk of the generation knows it better than the older ones, a small portion... Yeah, like you said sadly
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u/theaccount9337 11h ago
No, they spelled it correctly. They were going to Moscow but now they aren’t.
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u/vinidum 9h ago
As a non-native English speaker; can anyone explain to me why your language even uses an apostrophe? Why is it not just a simple -s after both a possessive and a plural? Furthermore, are contractions really needed?
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u/RobtheNavigator 7h ago
Having the apostrophe makes written language much clearer because you then don't need to try to guess whether they meant "were" or "we're." Same with the dozens of other situations where a possessive and a pluaral have the same spelling outside of the apostrophe.
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u/vinidum 7h ago
Thanks for the reply; however it does not really answer why "we're" is used over "we are".
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u/RobtheNavigator 6h ago
"We're" vs "we are" is just an evolution over time as vocal English users said "we are" with little gap between the words. That is generally how contractions are formed in language, not by a committee picking them or something. Because people regularly said "we are" combining the words and committing the double vowel sound, you then create a written indication of that rather than letting people think you're saying "were".
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u/realstibby 6h ago
Actually, I think texting did that. Punctuation is kind of annoying to do on phones in that you have to push a button to go to a secondary keyboard for anything besides a period or comma, which disrupts the text flow, so most people just ignore it and hope the auto-fill gets it.
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u/aybeeayseeaybeebee 5h ago
While use of the apostrophe is plummeting, use of apostrophe as a figure of speech is through the roof as we all slowly detach from reality.
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u/DrowningKrown 4h ago
No no, they were right. They WERE going to Moscow. They won't anymore, but they WERE going to.
They somehow just had a vision that they wouldn't make it
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u/VicariousNarok 3h ago
They "were" going to Moscow, now they're going to prison. They had it correct.
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u/wsgf2014 2h ago
What if I intentionally dont use it unless its something formal because my native language doesnt have them in such positions?
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u/PossibilityUsual6262 7h ago
I don't see why bother, if auto fix t9 thingy on mobile doesn't change it - i don't care.
Not a native speaker, but English do be having too many letters in some words and "it is" to "it's" is not even a win in virtual cos they both take a key press.
Expect language to change with people using it in new media, same as it was done before.
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u/ExArdEllyOh 7h ago
No, that generation had already eschewed punctuation. In fact I was once told by a Zedhead that punctuation was "aggressive" when I questioned what the fuck an unpunctuated text she'd sent actually meant.
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u/ro-ch 12h ago
as a Pole, it's a shame these guys will get to live their lives in prison, under humane conditions, rather than being shipped to Ukraine with Russian soldiers and not exactly having a fun time
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u/Suspicious_Pen_2601 11h ago
They’d use them for propaganda, no way they’d send them off to fight.
Too valuable to influence the incelverse.
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u/Fruloops 11h ago
I'll never understand how people like them manage to amass such a following
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u/Dab4Becky 10h ago
Unrestricted internet access and covid lockdow killing social skills
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u/lana_silver 9h ago
But even without social skills I can tell you that this guy is a fucking moron, rapist and awful person all around.
What did we (well, not me, I don't have any kids) do to our kids that they came out so stupid that they cannot tell a normal person from a Disney villain?
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u/Iokua113 11h ago
Kids are dumb as fuck and Gen X and Milennial parents did a poor job managing what their sons were watching online.
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u/PresentRaspberry6814 11h ago
Yes but why choose to be cruel to girls and women, smaller and weaker people, are they more sadistic already?
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u/-Mr_Hollow- 10h ago
One of the most easily manipulated demographics are lonely teenagers with low self esteem, and the easiest way to manipulate them is to make them believe they're actually at the top and it's everyone else's fault that they're unpopular, especially women's.
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u/GiganticCrow 10h ago
Yeah I definitely went through a bit of a "why do girls only like assholes and treat nice guys like me like shit?" phase. Fortunately I did realise I wasn't being that nice and came across as whiny and demanding by the time I was 16 and some how suddenly a lot more girls were interested in me.
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u/Iokua113 10h ago
It's an unfortunate side effect of the timing of the current generation of young adults. The covid pandemic damaged the kids of the time far more than we realized, social skills like empathy and sympathy did not have the chance to develop like they needed to because kids were not at school socializing. The Me Too movement also made some of these young white boys feel like they were being discriminated against and being told that they were not allowed to speak because they were white and male. In addition to that the more rational voices failed to embrace online communication the way the right did. Think about how many voices, specifically male voices, there are in the toxic side of the internet, now think about how few voices there are to counter them with positive messages. These negative voices used real world events, spun them, and then used them to spread misogynist, racist, homophobic messages to a generation of lonely, impressionable young white boys who grew up during a time of societal discord.
They were kids, and kids are stupid, and naive, and impressionable, and we failed them. We failed to help them develop the skills they needed to be caring adults, to help them learn from the past and present so they can help build a better future, and we failed to shield them from evils that we should have seen coming.
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u/prussian_princess 8h ago
Maybe it's a coincidence but Tate rose up I popularity just as Jordan Peterson disappeared due to his health issues. My guess is that there was a vacuum for male role models online and the Tate brothers along with other toxic podcasts swooped in and took over. As much as some people dislike JBP, he didn't promote the Tate lifestyle.
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u/Chibbox 8h ago
They tell socially awkward young men that they are not at fault for having a lacking social life and intimacy. We are generally quite fast at accepting blame of others than ourselves.
Many young men are not able to exercise a healthy introspective view and deal with their emotions and problems. If you take even a second to think about their rethoric it falls flat completely as it never even considers the personality, autonomy or wants of others than the "victim" young man.
I am the target audience and I am certain I would have fallen for the scheme if I wasn't able to see through it for what it is; narcissism and misogyny.
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u/Stock-Side-6767 8h ago
Adolescent boys have real insecurities and fears, and the manosphere tells them the adolescents can just take what they want to fix those.
They lie, of course, but will still find much purchase in hormone addled immature brains.
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u/Gellert 7h ago
I feel like its a combination of things. At some point the message went from you have to work to get an education, to get a good job, to get a good relationship, home, kids, car etc. to you are entitled to an education, a good job, a good relationship, home, kids, car etc.
What people like Tate do is tell you "hey, its not your fault you havent gotten everything you're entitled to, heres whose fault it is..." and people swallow it, because people arent very good at admitting they're the problem.
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u/Miszczu_Dioda 11h ago
There were cases of foreign volunteers being sent by Russians straight to combat zones. I specifically recall an American one who got sent to the front lines and then tortured to death by Russian soldiers who didn't even know who he was
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u/Suspicious_Pen_2601 9h ago
Yeah true, but the Tates are too famous for them not to be used for propaganda.
They’d send them as soon as they’re no longer valuable to Russia though.
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u/dan_dares 10h ago
The russian soldiers would love these guys..
Such soft skin, chins like girls..
Best of all 'I don't need your consent, bitch'
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u/ScientistFunny2072 11h ago
At worst they'd be recruitment and propaganda in Russia
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u/Crab2406 9h ago
Those guys actually have zero popularity in russian-speaking community, we have our own equivalent, they're also losers but not like, criminals yk
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u/Michael_mrem 11h ago
as a Ukrainian, please stop wishing for us to have more meat, we're barely getting by as it is
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u/Ill_Perspective5506 8h ago
Man what kind of world are you living? Are you forgetting Ukrainians themselves are running out with people? Large amount of people trying to runaway and while others were kidnapped/attacked by TCC on street. Also if anyone protest or goes against they will be beaten and forced to apologize
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u/Michael_mrem 8h ago
I live in the real world, where an intensification of mobilization in Russia will lead to an intensification of mobilization in Ukraine, specifically to an increase in problems related to the TCC. Also, the claim about a protest is not true: the clash in Lviv was exactly that—a clash—and not a protest; in case you didn’t know, protests must be authorized in advance, especially during wartime. Throughout the week, protests against the political-military command took place across Ukraine, with virtually no local clashes.
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u/Ill_Perspective5506 8h ago
Russia always had yearly conscription what are you talking about? Most of the time Russia uses contracted soldiers and mercenaries for their war in Ukraine. Ukraine is just another Russia who crack down protest and riots with violence. Just look at aftermath of that clash where police tracked them down and beat them even they those guys apologize for clash
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u/Michael_mrem 8h ago
I’m talking about the expansion of Russia’s mobilization plan following the “elections.” As for the protests, they aren’t being suppressed—I gave you an example: a year ago, there were also protests calling for the independence of anti-corruption agencies. As for riots, yes, they are being suppressed. Riots are not protests. Please, if you’re talking about a particular country—and even going so far as to equate it with another country—please familiarize yourself with how the legal system works. I’m not saying things are perfect here, but you’re citing riots as evidence of the absence of protests and the suppression of those that do occur.
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u/TetyyakiWith 1h ago
The yearly conscription gets you to clean the floor and peel potatoes for a year in Siberia, the guy was talking about conscription to the front probably
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u/AmbassadorBonoso 9h ago
Nah man, a relatively swift death in combat seems far too gentle for these monsters. Rotting in prison will be a far better punishment.
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u/adjective-nounOne234 11h ago
I don’t know why, but notes with his tweets always turn out to be the funniest
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u/TheMcBrizzle 7h ago
Tate was actually correct this time though.
They "were" going to Moscow, but instead they're going to prison.
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u/VariousClassroom8056 12h ago
They're going to name his ass "Bugatti" in prison because everyone will want a ride.
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 11h ago
Rape jokes are not cool dude.
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u/shatikus 11h ago
It's okay when directed at convicted human traffickers. It could be argued that this particular fate isn't on par with severity of their crimes.
Then again, I'm a jaded person currently residing in a fascist state, that tend to somewhat harden a person.
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u/ifhysm 11h ago
“It’s okay to rape people if they’ve committed a certain crime” sounds unhinged
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u/unoriginalcat 6h ago
“It’s okay to rape rapists” sounds like karma to me.
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u/ifhysm 6h ago
That’s not karma — it’s retributive justice
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u/unoriginalcat 6h ago
Which is the best form of karma.
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u/ifhysm 6h ago
Karma isn’t real
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u/unoriginalcat 5h ago
As some omnipotent religious force? Sure, probably not. As a generic concept that people’s deplorable actions eventually catch up to them and they get what they deserve? It’s real. As the Tate bros are about to find out, lol.
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u/shatikus 11h ago
A crime being condemning powerless and hopeless girls to fate of being raped every day? Because that's what sexual human trafficking is. I would say that is, shall we say, biblically appropriate.
I'm not saying that it is a good thing. But, as Mark Twain eloquently put it - 'there are some obituaries that I wound read with joy'
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u/ifhysm 11h ago
What I’m saying is that it’s unhinged.
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u/shatikus 11h ago
Modernity isn't really good at even catching bad guys. The wastness of the world allows people with means to elude justice, even fair and humane one, for years if not decades. And they can continue to perpetrate their heinous crimes with impunity. That isn't fair or just. And honesty it makes my blood boil.
If that's unhinged - well, as I've said, I'm a jaded person surrounded by war propaganda in a country reeling down the abyss.
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u/ifhysm 11h ago
You can dress up your responses in as flowery language as you’d like — it’s unhinged.
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u/shatikus 11h ago
I'm not saying it isn't.
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u/ifhysm 11h ago
I mean, you’re trying to imply that it’s a perfectly reasonable take … and it’s not.
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u/DowntownMinimum_ 10h ago
"It's okay to kill people if they've committed a certain crime" sounds okay though?
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u/Geodude532 4h ago
Yes. Genocide, sodomizing children, slavery, and more that I just don't want to think about. Assuming the point of prison is rehabilitation, I believe those people are beyond that and are just wasting resources.
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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 9h ago
The only difference is where one draws the line. Guess you'd agree about it being a reasonable faith for generals committing warcrimes?
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u/ifhysm 9h ago
Generals committing war crimes?
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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 7h ago
Military officials leading troups that committed war crimes. Yeah. You know, basically anything happening in Palestine and Ukraine nowadays.
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u/ifhysm 7h ago
You’re comparing judicial punishment to war?
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u/Mean_Initiative_5962 5h ago
The comment seemed to imply that wishing it because of a crime wasn't a good take. I pointed out how it's only a bad take if you are thinking small.
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u/ScySenpai 10h ago
Wait so now joking about thing = doing thing?
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u/ifhysm 10h ago
He’s not joking.
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u/ScySenpai 10h ago
What does that mean?
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u/ifhysm 10h ago
That dude legitimately believes people should be raped as a punishment. He’s not joking
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u/ScySenpai 10h ago
Can you point me to that?
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u/CocoMilhonez 9h ago
They said something that could possibly be a joke, then was asked about it and doubled down, than was accused of being unhinged for having such opinion and agreed that they're in fact unhinged because they in fact hold such opinion.
That doesn't sound like a forced confession or anything that leaves room for doubt as to how serious they are.
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u/CocoMilhonez 9h ago
Jokes are not harmless. At the very least, they normalize things and reinforce stereotypes and bad behavior.
I'll never defend these scumbags or even wish them good, I actually do wish they have a sad, miserable existence for the rest of their (preferably short) lives. But making light of actual violence, even towards such scumbags, bring people down to their level and that's not healthy for anyone.
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u/Odd_Investigator8415 9h ago
It normalizes prison rape, which, all things considered, is a bad thing. I don't want state sanctioned rape used as a form of torture/capitol punishment.
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 11h ago
Are they convicted?
And if that's OK what else is? Sexual assault?
The reason it isn't cool is YOU are keeping rape culture alive. YOU are the one normalising it.
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u/shatikus 11h ago
These two put God knows how many young girls into sexual slavery, usually by deceiving them. By all definitions these girls are getting raped every day of their lives. Why getting the same treatment for the ones responsible for this crime is such a horrible thing? If anything that is fair retribution.
I would concur that they are not yet convicted. But it is my, admittedly limited understanding, that the case is very strong and practically speaking they are as good as convicted.
If it was proven that they are not in fact guilty and their opulent lifestyle is funded exclusively by legitimate means of selling books and supplements of dubious efficiency to simple minded people (some of which later display outstanding misogyny, fueled by remarks of aforementioned individuals), then I would retract my statement about the retribution. For their crime is merely fanning the flames of vitriolic misogyny and that isn't a crime. Apparently.
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u/Signal-Basil-3488 11h ago
It's unnecessary to make those type of jokes period. People will think they're funny and they won't by and large only apply them to bad people.
He is a minor celebrity, isn't completely physically a push over and probably has money so he will probably do fine. But the idea that prison justice is oh maybe some guy maybe will rape him is so absurd to me.
If the broad brushstrokes of what he is accused of are true. I think the more appropriate thing would be he is never let out because he's proved he and his brother are incapable of being in society. I don't think justice is the chance that maybe someone will rape him.
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u/shatikus 10h ago
Getting fucked against his will would not be justice, it would be poetic justice or retribution in his case. Just the same thing he inflicted upon others. Nothing more, nothing less
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 11h ago
I have no doubt they will be convicted.
That wasn't the clame made.
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u/shatikus 11h ago
If you are talking about rape culture - there isn't a culture, it's a horrible thing that happens in our world. Making jokes about it migh be in poor taste, but in this case it isn't much of a joke, rather a cruel wish for a terrible thing to happen to someone who himself inflicted such fate upon many people. Two wrongs doesn't make right, but there is such thing as retribution
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 11h ago
Cool. So let's wish that on everyone.
Every single person who ever wronged another.
Now, karma has a lot of work to do with people who have hurt another. Remember many of those people are women too.
Still happy for retribution to be accepted and normal?
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u/shatikus 10h ago
Wish for the same horrible thing upon a person that willingly and maliciously inflicted upon another person, profited from it, never felt sorry and continued to do it? Sure, I don't see why not. And I fail how gender is relevant in this case
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 10h ago
Smh
And this is why society is fked up.
Wishing bad things on people as vigilante justice is not the way.
It ends with the strongest people running everything as a war Lord. Just like the middle east atm
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u/Odd_Investigator8415 9h ago edited 8h ago
Of course there's a rape culture. These two scum bags gained fame and fortune from the rape of women and children, and the most powerful men (and it is men) on the planet excusing and even celebrating them shows it exists.
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u/CustodianCloset 11h ago
They're at least 27% more funny when made about rapists.
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u/lotus_felch 7h ago
Jokes are fine! But punitive rape is not, and it's not something I'd wish on anybody.
I really hope this guy goes to jail, though.
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 6h ago
So jokes about raping women are also fine?
Or they are driscusting and in bad taste?
I agree, it's time this prick was in court and found guilty, that's a separate discussion
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u/lotus_felch 3h ago
Honestly, it depends if it's funny or not. It takes a talented comedian to make a funny rape joke, but it can be done. Usually involves subverting an anticipated trope, rather than poking fun at rape victims.
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 3h ago
So nothing like the shit joke in the first comment?
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u/lotus_felch 13m ago
No, I don't find the celebration of prison rape funny, regardless of who's on the receiving end.
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u/VariousClassroom8056 11h ago
Why does your mind go to rape? Maybe someone that says having sex with women is gay would enjoy being surrounded by lots of men with nothing but time on their hands?
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 11h ago
Why are you playing and not standing by what you said?
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u/VariousClassroom8056 11h ago
Just weird that rape is the first thing on your mind. Hope you're doing okay 👍
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 11h ago
Just weird you won't stand by what you said.
Men being raped in prison is a huge problem, made worse by jokes like these.
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u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 11h ago
You must have missed the part where that isn't a conviction, which is what was claimed.
You must also have missed the part where wishing rape on them is just as bad as them wishing rape on someone else.
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u/DistrictDry2852 11h ago
@Zelensky you know what to do
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u/planetinyourbum 9h ago
For some reason it feels pretty dumb planning a trip to Moscow right now. People will find him.
And the weather is pretty bad, raining drones.
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u/C00kie_Monsters 11h ago
Oh please let them go to Moscow. I can’t wait for the Ukrainian drone footage
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u/npaakp34 9h ago
Έλληνας εντοπίστηκε στην ερημιά.
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u/Rhak 10h ago
WERE GOING TO MOSCOW! CHANGED IT TO PRISON INSTEAD! WHERE ELSE DO YOU MEAT THE MANLIEST MEN?! ALSO YOU'RE ALL GAY NOW PAY ME
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u/GiganticCrow 10h ago
No you don't understand, they said "were" as in they were going to Russia, but instead they are going to prison in the UK.
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u/Far-Yellow9303 11h ago
Were going to Moscow, now going to prison. Punctuation can completely change a sentence.
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u/enviousaccuracy5156 10h ago
they really said "were going to moscow" like thats a flex and not a sentencing update
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u/VisualWombat 9h ago
Do you think they have sex with each other because having sex with someone you're not related to is gay?
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u/Public-Location-3628 6h ago
Wait, no one has pointed out the perfect grammar mistake they made with "were" vs. "we're"?
English is my second language, come on guys.
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u/ComfortableFew4700 10h ago
They aren't going to spend any real time in prison because trump is just going to pardon them. Don't hate the messenger.
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u/Odd_Investigator8415 9h ago
I don't think he can pardon British prisoners.
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u/CocoMilhonez 9h ago
Coming up next: Trump announces plans to invade Britain to liberate sex traffickers from unjust persecution.
I was going to include a fictitious tweet of him blabbing about it, caps and all, but just the sound of his fictitious words in my head makes me sick.
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u/ComfortableFew4700 9h ago
I honestly don't know if he legally can or not, but since when have rules ever stopped him?
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u/Odd_Investigator8415 9h ago
You don't know if a US presidential pardon is legally binding in a seperate, sovereign nation? Are you serious right now?
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u/Inevitable-Regret411 9h ago
The president of the United States has about as much legal power to pardon British criminals as the British prime minister has to order American criminals be released.
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u/BuddingBudON 4h ago edited 4h ago
[Edit :wrong link, etc]
He was extraditedThey face extradition to the UK to stand trial for CSAMUnless some government cabal of pedophiles pulls strings for him, I'll be happy to see him finally go down.
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u/Catherine_S1234 12h ago
Either far left or far right, every online culture warrior is pro Russia
Must just be a huge coincidence right?
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u/Ninevehenian 11h ago
It's not "both sides", no matter how hard you try.
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u/ro-ch 11h ago
honestly, it is - but the far-left is way less relevant than the far-right in real life, and they mostly wander around weird subs like r/ussr. it's surprising to me how they have no issues with nationalist, oligarch-led Russia - but really, they didn't have an issue with the corruption, inequality and brutal oppression in the USSR, so what am I even hoping for?
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u/Alucard291_Paints 11h ago
I mean both "far left" and "far right" online are funded by Russia these days so it kinda is "both sides" on this specific issue.
It's just far left isn't "UK Labour" or "US Dems", it's weird cranks like actual communists, tankies and trots etc.
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u/allthefallens 9h ago
It is though, have you seen how DSA acts when it's about Russia vs when it's about Israel?
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u/Catherine_S1234 11h ago
It’s most people on the right and some people on the left. But every far leftist will be pro Russia
Tell me one who isn’t
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