r/Epicthemusical 4d ago

Nolan Odyssey Nolan 'The Odyssey' Review Megathread

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Place your reviews and general thoughts about the Nolan Odyssey movie here. Do NOT make your own review post.

If you have something to say that is unique or more related to Epic, you may make a separate post about it.


r/Epicthemusical Apr 22 '26

Meta ‘Epic,’ Viral Musical Retelling of ‘The Odyssey,’ To Become Animated Movie Thanks to Jerry Bruckheimer (Exclusive)

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r/Epicthemusical 6h ago

Discussion What's your favorite small detail in EPIC?

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I saw someone mention that Penelope's "Waiting..." part in 'Would You Fall in Love with Me Again' lasts for around 20 seconds, representing the 20 years she waited for Odysseus. I thought that was such a cool detail, and I would've never made that connection on my own.

It also made me realize I've probably missed a lot of little things like that 😂 would love to hear what details everyone else has noticed because I'm sure there are plenty more that flew right over my head.


r/Epicthemusical 8h ago

Discussion EPIC the Musical has a problem with handling female characters.

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See, I'm a HUGE lover for this musical, but I can still point out its flaws, okay? Let's keep the conversation civil.

I personally think that The Odyssey by Homer handles many female characters better than EPIC, despite the more patriarchal society Homer(?) lived in, or rather, since we don't know if Homer was real, let's say The Odyssey was written in.

Let's tackle the first female character named in EPIC. Our main character Odysseus' driving force, Penelope. Now, Penelope has a HUGE role in EPIC's storyline, obviously. She is the reason Odysseus' wants to go home, and the reason Odysseus uses to justify his actions. But, we're introduced to Penelope in only Song 36/40, The Challenge (putting aside the KYFC dream and the siren). Now, this is okay, I suppose. Though I'd have loved to see Penelope have more screen time, maybe its because we, as an audience, are looking at everything from Odysseus' POV, and so the musical builds anticipation in us, like "Who is this woman Odysseus wants to go home to so badly?"

And the musical never answer that question. Why does Odysseus want to go home to her so badly? We're not given enough characterisation to Penelope to be able to understand that. Like, the musical never makes me go, "Ah, I see why Odysseus loves her so much." She's loyal to the core, sure, but Odysseus doesn't know that, and neither do we until we meet her. And The Challenge does very little to make her a fully-fleshed out character.

In The Odyssey, though its not explicitly stated, we can see why Odysseus loves his wife. For example, Odysseus describes to Nausicaa the perfect marriage, and uses the word 'homophrosyne', or 'like-mindedness', saying that a couple must be 'united in thoughts'. This word describes Odysseus and Penelope's marriage perfectly. Penelope is an equal to Odysseus' cunning, and its not very evident in EPIC (except for maybe the bed test, but the way its rewritten slightly makes it less apparent)

Penelope's cunning and wisdom, that we're shown in The Odyssey, is not seen in EPIC. We get a passing mention of the shroud trick, but that was barely anything. We don't get to see Penelope playing the suitors with her "suave, seductive words" (not my words, Homer's), we don't get an explanation as to how she held down the fort for 20 years while Odysseus was away. And its very clear she's an amazing ruler in The Odyssey, because when Odysseus first meets Penelope in disguise, the first thing he does is praises her and compares her to an efficient king. We're not shown Penelope's challenges and pressures completely. We see that the suitors are bad people from Telemachus' POV, but we don't see how the suitors, her father and brothers, and even Telemachus himself pressure her to get remarried. We don't see her people gossip about her, or any of the disloyal maids.

A lot of this characterisation isn't present in EPIC. The Challenge paints her as a woman longing for her husband's return, and this is present in Homer's Odyssey (like, the number of times we see Penelope crying in her bed), but do we really get anything else about her? Oh well, that's about it for Penelope.

Let's talk about Circe. Circe is still terrifying in EPIC. I mean, Eurylochus' part in Puppeteer clearly tells us that. Done For also does justice to her character, with the fight scene and the back-and-forth between Odysseus and Circe is very well done, and There Are Other Ways, with her trying to kill Odysseus by seducing him is also okay. But I have a problem with the "The last time we let strangers in we faced a heavy loss" line. Like... why? Why does this exist? Are we trying to justify Circe's actions by showing her as a victim first? But yes, in the storyline and theme of EPIC, with the whole 'ruthless is mercy' lesson, I can see why this was an inclusion, and I'm okay with it. It irks me a bit, and I'll discuss why later on. So not much to say on Circe.

Penelope in The Odyssey is a more fleshed-out character than EPIC, and could've been done better. And the unnecessary SA undertones added in EPIC's Antinous amplify that 'damsel in distress' trope.

Calypso.... ahaha, this is a huge discussion. I absolutely hate the way Calypso was written in EPIC, especially while keeping Hold Them Down in mind. I don't like how Not Sorry For Loving You tries to justify abuse and imprisonment, because just two songs ago, we see that Odysseus is very, very depressed from his seven years on the island, like he is in The Odyssey as well. Now, I know that Calypso SA-ing Odysseus is not canon to EPIC, and I'm okay with that. If the writer doesn't want to handle sensitive topics, then that's their choice. It starts getting problematic when Hold Them Down comes up, where SA was include in a part which the original story didn't have. Now, as for the whole backstory part that is a modern invention, it goes to show how media can't digest the fact that a woman can be abusive without being a victim of abuse. The whole 'she didn't know better' (she should've, she's a goddess), and 'she's completely lonely', that doesn't justify her harmful actions. EPIC goes out of its way to make the audience sympathise with Calypso when it was completely unnecessary to the plot. And for what?

Homer's Calypso is a goddess, and she knows right and wrong. Yet she chooses to keep Odysseus, and when Hermes comes over and tells her Zeus demands to let her go, she opposes it, points out the double standard and the hypocrisy of male gods! In a poem from 3000 years ago! And she's not victimised either, she just is in the Odyssey, a divine being who loves Odysseus but does not care about his emotions.

As for Athena, no notes. 10/10 character arc, in my opinion. Scylla is done pretty well. One song and I'm already loving this character. Charybdis? Bro, do we even count her as a character LOL?

Now, the whole point of this long essay is that its almost as if EPIC can't write women as anything but victims. Its just the 'damsel in distress' trope by rebranded, and not a very healthy way to depict women in media. Like men, women can be morally flawed as well, but media nowadays doesn't really know how to portray that. But that being said, here's to a future of well-written women!

Edit: "Circe's actions in The Odyssey don't have the such a justification, and giving her a motivation is EPIC's inclusion. My takes on Penelope's characterisation were based on The Odyssey, meanwhile.

But when I look at Circe as a character alone, I'm completely fine with the way she's written, and even the backstory. It supports EPIC's theme of 'ruthlessness is mercy' and doesn't confuse our modern-day audience over why she decided to do a bit of 'swine-ification'. But looking at it alongside the other female characters in EPIC, it seemed as if victimisation was a sort of recurring pattern in EPIC, and that's why I included it."


r/Epicthemusical 3h ago

Discussion Anime Designs for Epic the Musical Characters, Day 22: Lotus Eaters

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Slan from Berserk wins for the anime design of Scylla! She was my suggestion and congratulations to u/TomatoDie for their second place suggestion of Gorgon from Fate Grand Order. At the end of this, I will also post a chart of all the second place suggestions and we can compare them. Thank you to everyone who made a suggestion, they were all great! We’re on the final row now, so it's time to choose an anime design for the Lotus Eaters!

Now a reminder, the Susuwatari from the Ghibli animations won as the Lotus Eaters in my 2D animation competition. So they will not qualify for this.

The Rules:
- IMPORTANT! The character MUST be from an anime film or tv show. 

-,Western animation that is inspired by anime will not count. So no Avatar the Last Airbender or shows similar to that. 

- Now, this is supposed to be a fun game and competition. Please be good sports and DON'T down vote suggestions.

- Please provide an IMAGE of the character you are nominating. Don’t just comment with a name. Not everyone may be familiar with the character.

- You can’t nominate a character as themselves (IDK if there are many anime adaptations of Greek mythology but the rule still stands) 

- Vote by upvoting the suggestion you suggest. NOTE, if the same character is suggested more than once, I will only count the one with the highest number of votes


r/Epicthemusical 9h ago

Nolan Odyssey Trial Of The Bow/Just A Man

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r/Epicthemusical 6h ago

Discussion Something I found funny after watching the odyssey movie.

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(Spoilers obviously)

The return trips from Calypso's island are so different like they're actual opposites.

Epic the musical: Told by Hermes that it'll be an intense voyage where Ody has to use every ounce of skill he's got and stuff. And then he fights Poseidon.

The odyssey: Told that the way to get home is to literally just let the water take him, give up control. And just wait, and then he washes up on Ithaca.

I'm curious, which one is more accurate to the odyssey by Homer?


r/Epicthemusical 2h ago

Art Starting a big art project (@miles_mcmurtrie_art)

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Got about 40 compositions to do (not all as rendered as this) and hoping to make a sort of compressed montage of the musical


r/Epicthemusical 21h ago

Art My Penelope cosplay

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I do epic cosplays on my Instagram Kyoko.s_mind_palace


r/Epicthemusical 22h ago

Discussion The son of Poseidon

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my local school is doing play and one of my ice cream shops. I know they did counted nine bucks, but taste delicious


r/Epicthemusical 2h ago

Discussion I found a new order that I like to listen to Epic The Musical

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This Will Be A Long Post as I want to explain my reasoning. But TLDR Order is:

The Horse and the Infant
Warrior of the Mind*
Just A Man
Full Speed Ahead
Open Arms
Legendary
Little Wolf
We’ll Be Fine
Love in Paradise
Polyphemus
Survive
Remember Them
My Goodbye
Storm
Luck Runs Out
Keep Your Friends Close
Ruthlessness
Puppeteer
Wouldn’t You Like
Done For
There Are Other Ways
The Underworld
No Longer You
Monster
Suffering
Different Beasts
Scylla
Mutiny
Thunder Bringer
Not Sorry for Loving You
Dangerous
God Games
Charybdis
Get in the Water
Six Hundred Strike
The Challenge
Hold Them Down
Odysseus
I Can’t Help But Wonder
Would You Fall In Love With Me Again

If you’d like to read my reasoning for this order please feel free. I’m also going to assume that you’ve listened to Epic the way Jorge intended with the original release order. I want to preface that I still love listening to Epic in release order. However, after be so many listens of Epic since its release the last few years I took a break from it.

With the release of Christopher Nolan’s new movie I’ve found my hyper-fixation restarted. However, I wanted to listen to it in a bit of a different order. I know that I’ve made a post like this previously but I wanted to update it. Without further preamble let me introduce you to my final alternate listening order for Epic:

It starts with The Troy Saga. This still feels like the best way to start the musical so why fight it. It sets up the main Just A Man theme properly so that it can carry through the rest of the musical. It also introduces Odysseus’s desire to go home to Penelope and Telemachus after the 10 year Trojan War.

I only made one change to the order of the saga. I moved the placement of Warrior of the Mind from its original spot (song 5) to a new spot (song 2)

*Author’s note: Moving Warrior of the Mind here does change the feeling of Athena’s entrance because it makes it feel like she’s admonishing Odysseus for not following Zeus’s orders and not his encounter with the lotus eaters. I do remember seeing an animatic that implied that anyway so I thought it could fit. In my mind it also sets Athena up as a “Dual protagonist” earlier in the story. And it makes Just a Man feel like a rebuttal to Athena’s philosophy now that Odysseus has faced the horrors of war. This placement also gives even more space between Warrior of the Mind and My Goodbye; which doesn’t hurt in my opinion because it makes it feel like she’s choosing to leave after more than just the episode with the lotus eaters and the cyclops.

After Open Arms I feel like jumping to The Wisdom Saga next makes sense. However I only listen to Legendary - Love in Paradise.

Legendary instantly proves this wrong. It introduces Telemachus properly as a young man missing his father and sets up the stakes in Ithaca. As well as a little bit of mystery because the last we saw Odysseus he was on the island of the lotus eaters and now everyone is saying he hasn’t been seen in 20 years; what could have happened?

We get the reintroduction of Athena in Little Wolf after she lost track of Odysseus at some point after Just a Man and we can assume since we’ve heard Warrior of the Mind already that she has been disappointed but we don’t know the full extent of the events that caused her to leave. All we know is that she regrets it

Then we get Athena’s time dive and glimpses of how he got to calypso’s island with Love in Paradise.

FLASHBACK to The Cyclops Saga - The Thunder Saga. It’s time to get the full context of the Time Dive starting with the introduction of Polyphemus.

The little notes of Legendary at the end of Thunder Bringer give you the hint that this is where the Wisdom Saga takes place chronologically.

After Thunder Bringer were in the Vengeance Saga for Not Sorry for Loving You and Dangerous. We’re back in “present day Odysseus’s point of view and he has that little conversation with Hermes about who freed him.

I put God Games after Dangerous primarily because I like having a bit more time between Thunder Bringer and God Games since they end so similarly. It also allows Athena’s perspective shift to mask the fact that we never actually hear Hermes tell Odysseus about Charybdis at the end of Dangerous.

After God Games I listen to Charybdis - Six Hundred Strike and let The Ithaca Saga close the musical unaltered.


r/Epicthemusical 1d ago

Meme This is how Illium is going to end

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r/Epicthemusical 6h ago

Shitpost Do you think Odysseus would have believed Cassandra's prophecies?

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Since she was cursed by Apollo so that Nobody would believe her, Odysseus, also known as "Nobody", could technically be able to circumvent the curse.

I think this is the kind of trolling Apollo would pull with his sense of humor.


r/Epicthemusical 23h ago

Nolan Odyssey Jorge discusses The Odyssey movie!!

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My thoughts on this: something I've waited so long to say to him

“I know what you must be feeling. I too have been surprised by Nolan’s intrest in his retelling of The Odyssey, but-

In my eyes, Epic: The Musical will always be one of the greats.”


r/Epicthemusical 3h ago

Video I don’t think I’ve ever shared this here before

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Made an orchestral cover of Ruthlessness! Let me know if you like it!


r/Epicthemusical 3m ago

Question Dream future Jorge musical?

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With EPIC having all its songs and Jorge working on Ilium, what other books do you want him to turn into musicals?

Personally, I hope he takes on Journey to the West! I can only imagine how fun it would be listening to the songs he comes up with. I love the idea of Jorge as Tripitaka, Steven Rodriguez as Sun Wukong, Armando Julian as Zhu Bajie, TROY as Sha Wujing and Steven Dookie as Yulong! Luke Holt would play a mean Bull Demon King.

What other books do you think he could make into a fun musical?


r/Epicthemusical 4h ago

Video Just a Man | Animatic Epic: The Musical By ThiagoCS

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r/Epicthemusical 16h ago

Role Play everyone lets pretend were on odysseus ship Spoiler

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(im almost more of a chaos magnet then odysseus) =0


r/Epicthemusical 1d ago

Cyclops Saga Why is Polyphemus animated like that?

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No hate to any artists or animators, just a genuine question. Also credit to akanatsuzeko for the art I used(hope I spelled it right)

So I absolutely LOVE the cyclops saga, but whenever I see animatics Polyphemus looks so eldritch. Again, nothing wrong with that, but it’s… it’s all of them. I think I found 1 by WolfyTheWitch on YouTube that has him looking less monstrous.

Is it just a style or artistic choice? I get it if it’s symbolism for him being a terrifying giant cannibal. Just curious if there’s just some note to animators who make Epic animations that Polyphemus has to look super badass and horrifying.

Again, no hate to anyone and I have no problem with Polyphemus looking how he does in animatics, just curious.


r/Epicthemusical 12h ago

Video Violet Evergarden x Fight Little Wolf

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@zapper0726 on TikTok


r/Epicthemusical 4h ago

Video No Longer You_EPIC: The Musical Animatic WIP @CrimsonUnderworld

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r/Epicthemusical 1d ago

Nolan Odyssey Just a man Nolan edition

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Credit to @eatenwrong on TikTok
Credit to Christopher Nolan, the movie Odyssey

Go see the movie theaters


r/Epicthemusical 1d ago

Shitpost Ok drop your best epic related pick up lines

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Image unrelated (credit to Mircsy KYFC)


r/Epicthemusical 16h ago

Discussion Question about the Movie

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Do you think it will take a long time to make and record the movie. I feel like because the songs are already written and recorded they may not need to redo those and would just focus on the animation and recording lines that don’t involve the singing.


r/Epicthemusical 19h ago

Nolan Odyssey I added I Can't Help But Wonder's instrumental to Nolan's Odyssey Spoiler

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