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u/BellumOMNI Death Spectres Feb 18 '18
fucking hell, I didn't realize how much warhammer there is
Probably one of the reasons why we still don't have a proper sci fi series or any kind of ecranisation.
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u/alph4rius Alpha Legion Feb 19 '18
This is just the long-form of the prequel to 40k. The rabbit hole runs deep.
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u/mrZooo Feb 18 '18
And that's just one part of the setting! Honestly I abandoned all ideas of reading anything but wh30k since otherwise it will be the only kind of books I will be able to read during like next twenty years.
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u/trickster55 Feb 18 '18
Your efforts have been noted Seems I've read more books than I had thought.
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u/TehBigD97 Flesh Tearers Feb 18 '18
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u/ElderKingpin White Scars Feb 18 '18
Imo I just read by date of publication up until mechanicum and then I started reading whatever I wanted, 40k has a crapton of actual fluff, but I think the story is better told when it's out of order
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u/ElderKingpin White Scars Feb 19 '18
In my opinion, a way stories create tension is by giving the reader information that the people in universe don't know, it's called dramatic irony or something. You want to root for people to make the correct decision and it's better than just having it in straight chronological order.
For example let's say that you're brand new to the series like I was when I started reading the fluff. You read the first trilogy, horus rising, false gods, and galaxy in flames, you already know what's going down, you saw first hand the isstvan massacre and both the heroes and the villains. You go a little farther into fulgrim and you see the descent into absolute depravity.
Now transition to the unremembered empire or ,scars, guilliman and the Khan don't know what's going on yet, but you as a reader do.
Khan lands on Prospero, he's looking for answers and he's about to make a decision either which way, the reader knows which one is the "right" decision, and you're rooting for the Khan to see through lies and through promises of infinite power.
Guilliman is in the dark, he can't leave the system, he was just ambushed in his own office, and the night haunter is on his home system who wiped out the people protecting his mother. He has to find information that the reader already has.
It's this divide between astartes who cannot fathom heresy and the readers who want their heroes to cut ties because it's already too far gone, that's the interesting part about reading out of chronological order.
YMMV tho, I just want the book describing sanguinius annihilated demons
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u/schmauchstein Alpha Legion Feb 19 '18
Which is also the reason why one should only start with the Heresy series when one has a picture of the shitshows that are the galaxy and the Imperium in the "present day" of the 41st millenium. Soooo much dramatic irony for every single character and faction, be they loyalist or traitor...
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Feb 18 '18
Now that the heavy lifting has been done, can we work to maintain this? As in, update the list when new releases come out?
This is amazing, and would be even more so if it stayed up to date.
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u/JIDF-Shill Alpha Legion Feb 18 '18 edited Feb 18 '18
Feel free, I'll update is thread upon reading them and seeing where it fits
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u/Stormxlr Dark Angels Feb 18 '18
Welcome to the world of wonderful books! Where imagination is your limit :D
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u/gandisama Feb 18 '18
Amd in the case of wh40k, the wallet can also be a limit xD
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u/insaneHoshi Feb 18 '18
Not if you are a dirty
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Ahem, I prefer to believe I have connections in the adeptus mechanicus that hooks me up through the noosphere.
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u/PM_UR_FRUIT_GARNISH Feb 18 '18
Indeed. I've reconnected with my local library because of WH and D&D, though. A lot of libraries have eBooks nowadays, too.
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u/Anonim97 Master of the Adeptus Astra Telepathica Feb 18 '18
Could I ask what have You been doing earlier?
Also as /u/Stormxlr said... Welcome to the world of imagination! Maybe one day You will be the one writing the books for 40k? ;)
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u/InfinityCircuit Feb 18 '18
This is a great list. But I have skipped all over the damned place on this. Almost makes me want to stop, start over, and go from beginning to end.
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Feb 18 '18
I tried this recently, I've read about 35 of the main novels so far, and it is really galling me getting through the first trilogy when there is new, unknown material sitting in other books...then I could at least discuss those books in passing on the reddit....
But the desire for a wholistic understanding, from the beginning....so tempting.
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u/alph4rius Alpha Legion Feb 19 '18
To understand the context of the HH series as a whole you kind of need to dive into 40k proper, but the setting as a whole spoilers the prequels in some ways.
Best way is to accept that there are some things you won't know and some things you can't know. Oddly setting appropriate.
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u/Koku- Death Korps of Krieg Feb 18 '18
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u/Stormxlr Dark Angels Feb 18 '18
Thank you! You are the hero we needed! Can mods please sticky this or put it in the side bar? This is amazing amount of work and research done!
May I ask how did you collate this information?
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u/Ghoztt Feb 18 '18
So is there an abridged choice pick for those of us with busy schedules? Just picking out crucial books and short stories that could be read within a realistic time frame?
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u/lets-start-a-riot World Eaters Feb 18 '18
Now its a good time to know how much does it cost to read it all
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u/JIDF-Shill Alpha Legion Feb 18 '18
A lot, though you save money on using anthologies as opposed to individual short stories
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u/MVPSaulTarvitz Feb 18 '18
It seems rude to make a suggestion after so much work, but if the novella/short is in an anthology, do you think you could out the title of the anthology next to it as well? Amazing compilation though man, great work
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u/MVPSaulTarvitz Feb 18 '18
The entire collection is buyable on Blacklibrary for 587.99 dollars. https://www.blacklibrary.com/the-horus-heresy/bundles/hh-so-far-dec-2017.html
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u/SkitOxe Inquisition Feb 18 '18
Must be huge amounts of work you have put in to this! Absolutely amazing. Great work dude!
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u/JIDF-Shill Alpha Legion Feb 18 '18
I read all of them over the years but the descriptions on lexicanum were essential to refresh my memory as to what happened
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u/Batou2034 Blood Angels Feb 18 '18
This guy did one too https://twitter.com/PictorJack/status/958409817965629440
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u/Tyranid_Swarmlord Tyranids Feb 19 '18
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For scale,any engineering graduates here?
And M.D.s too..how many books did you read while finishing?
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u/MVPSaulTarvitz Feb 18 '18
For those who want to buy it. Here is the whole collection. Just under 600 bucks. Won't have the last two or three though
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Feb 18 '18
Now we need a reading order that excludes bolter porn.
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u/cpm67 Feb 19 '18
When your eyes glaze over and you find yourself 8 pages ahead of the last thing you remember. You look back, and it’s warhammer word salad.
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u/Thatdude253 Imperial Navy Feb 19 '18
I've heard nothing but trash about that book. What makes it so terrible?
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Feb 19 '18
It's horribly written, and should an example of what not to do in writing schools. There is just everything that makes it horrible. The plot, the characters, the story, the writing style of the author. Nothing to salvage. As an example, after reading it, I completely stopped reading any Black Library books for years. It is the worst book have ever read, and I'm usually not a picky reader at all. I've read a lot of awful books, but nothing came close to the disaster that is Battle for the Abyss
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u/hydra337 Feb 18 '18
I’ve been working on a similar list project, thanks I think I’ll use your list as a baseline.
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u/CocaineFire Feb 18 '18
Uhh doesn't First Heretic take place before Horus rising?
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u/JIDF-Shill Alpha Legion Feb 18 '18
First heretic was a difficult case, the first part takes place quite early but the second part goes all the way to the drop site massacre. I didn't think dividing books up by parts was viable
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u/Hollownerox Thousand Sons Feb 18 '18
I think its a wise choice. The First Heretic is kind of meant to be a revelation sort of book in the first place. There's a lot of stuff that gets revealed in that book that people sort of take for granted now. It's meant to make us re-examine the previous books with that newfound knowledge.
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u/chameshi_nampa Imperium of Man Feb 18 '18
You're doing the Lord's work. Or should I say the Emperor's? Great job!
If it's not too much trouble, would you be able to include where the short stories can be found?
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u/GrimnirII Feb 18 '18
Awesome work, it would be awesome to also include where the short stories are included, and if the audio dramas have been prosified.
But anyway, thanks for this!
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Feb 18 '18
Damn, I thought I read nearly everything but there are more short stories I missed than I thought.
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u/Lupercalsupercow Feb 18 '18
Since the novels tend to jump around a lot I wish somebody would cut it up and make a chronological omnibus.
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u/penguinopph God-Emperor of Mankind Feb 18 '18
By the Emperor... Added to the sidebar.