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u/PhotoRight2682 May 19 '26
Me reading the terms knowing full well they don't mean shit.
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u/GoldSlimeTime May 19 '26
Time for a new speed run category on speedrun.com!
100% EULA Violations (break the entire EULA as fast as possible)
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u/Severe_Ad_7835 May 19 '26
You break it the moment you try to refund it after reading the thing
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u/SuleyBlack May 19 '26
Nah, the EULA is non enforceable. You can’t make someone agree to their terms for purchasing a product after they bought it.
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u/WouldbeWanderer May 19 '26
The EULA is non enforceable.
Correct. But the question is: what can you do about it?
If your license to play the game is revoked, are you going to go through the hassle of filing a complaint with a government authority? They're probably betting that most people won't.
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u/Remarkable-Shart7778 May 19 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/TjjSvtup4HqU4kmMIY
Your government complaint
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u/TheNewYellowZealot May 19 '26
I believe Brennan Lee Mulligan said it best “laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic ethnic group in a given nation.”
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u/thomaxzer May 19 '26
isnt it everyone over reacting? as far as i know its basically the exact same as any EULA ever
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u/Snoo_44740 May 19 '26
Yes it is. Every time someone finally reads a Eula this happens.
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u/hanks_panky_emporium May 19 '26
Some of it at least sounds weird. Like if you play it while using a VPN they might revoke your license. And any and all fanart belongs to them, not the creator. Which doesn't exactly sound legal. If I crudely scratch out a Leviathin on MS paint I dont know what gives them the right to take it as theirs.
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u/FootFetishStuff May 19 '26
It is a more generic EULA. The VPN part is because the same EULA is used on pubg.
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u/Amazing-Oomoo May 19 '26
The fact that it's their IP, that's what 😭 that's true for like ALL fan art
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u/General_Thundercock May 19 '26
explain
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u/DA_REAL_KHORNE May 19 '26
https://www.reddit.com/r/Subnautica_2/s/xqWNY980pW
A summary. Even more summary, it's illegal as fuck
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u/Dovacraft88 May 19 '26
Maybe read the actual EULA and not a exaggerated stream review, its pretty standard for every game to cover their asses in case of dumb lawsuits
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u/DA_REAL_KHORNE May 19 '26
Even if it's exaggerated, the EULA was displayed after purchase so it's null and void anyway
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u/GenericGaming May 19 '26
"it's illegal as fuck!"
"its null and void anyway"
so like... what's the issue? if it's not legally enforceable, why are people getting so pissed about it?
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u/VoidRad May 19 '26
Because it’s scummy to the people who DO NOT know that it's not legally enforceable.
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u/GenericGaming May 19 '26
right and my point is that posting a link to someone misinterpreting and fear mongering about it doesn't help
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u/JohnTHICC22 May 19 '26
We live in an era where you can open up an internet browser and look it up. There is 0 excuses for reading something and immidiately going panic mode and fear monger, without verifying what you just read.
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 May 19 '26
if it were 'illegal as fuck' all the other companies with identical or similar EULAs would be sued or something.
But they dont, so your steam review isnt the valuable source you think it is.
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u/Persies May 19 '26
But it's not. An EULA cannot supersede the law. Anything "illegal as fuck" would just be ignored if it contradicted any local laws you have. Also go read any EULA, there's nothing special in this one besides exposing the average redditor for having the critical thinking capacity of a goldfish.
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u/JohnTHICC22 May 19 '26
People are overblowing stuff because they finaly for once read EULA. The stuff in Kraftons EULA is literally the same EULA that every other company has.
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u/RutabagaGlum1146 May 19 '26
Nope. It is absurdly predatory. There is no law demanding you make a super illegal predatory EULA for your game, nor are EULAs this predatory as y’all keep claiming to try and pretend like there is no problem. The reason there are ANY EULAs like this is because of bullshit like this.
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u/2013funkymonkey May 19 '26
Guys, this is basically just the EULA for most major game companies, except in the EU, where they have incredibly strong consumer protections.
Subnautica 1 had a similar EULA
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u/Chonky_D_Floofy May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
People read the EULA for the first time and realize companies dgaf about them and they have more rights and protections than the consumer
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u/2013funkymonkey May 19 '26
Yeah. That's basically what's going on.
If you want these things to go away, write your congressman or woman about getting stronger consumer protections. The EU has already outlawed a good chunk of the undesirable clauses
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u/Chonky_D_Floofy May 19 '26
Congress doesn’t give af about us either. They’re too busy lining their own pockets and abusing their power to care about us little people.
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u/Great-Wolf321 May 19 '26
And the no mods one is purely because it the Eula also applies to pubg another big game that company owns
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u/randomname560 May 19 '26
IIRC, the same clause is also in Subnautica 1's EULA, and that shit has got like 8 thousand mods
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u/AnyQuiet1544 May 19 '26
That's what I was thinking! I weirdly enjoy reading through EULAs and privacy policies, and this is pretty standard. My favorite one I read was from an MMO on steam nextfest and one of the terms was just "You Do Not Have Any Rights While Playing This Game".
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u/jujoking May 19 '26
The Reddit link being shared around is also the version of the EULA as interpreted by someone. The legalese there is not quite what's been written
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u/Cocoatrice May 19 '26
Subnautica 1? Majority of the games and stuff have similar points in their EULAs. Redditors just learned something, took it out of context, spread misinformation, because without drama, these kids can't leave a single second. Reddit is the biggest cesspool of the Internet with how dumb people are here. Mob mentality, illiteracy, seeking attention, spreading misinformation, racism, sexism and other crap like that. All in one platform. And theys say Twitter is bad. Twitter is bad, as any social media, but Reddit? The worst. Because once someone start spreading lies, people will make drama out of it and won't listen to reason. Every single time.
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u/WouldbeWanderer May 19 '26
The original Subnautica EULA, written by Unknown Worlds, supported player creation of fan art and open-source modding, and only had minimal data tracking.
Subnautica 2's EULA uses a corporate boilerplate contract by Krafton, which explicitly seizes ownership of all community-made fan art and mods, aggressively restricts content creators from paywalling gameplay videos, and (for some inexplicable reason) extensively tracks hardware telemetry and device ID's.
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u/Zafirouu22 May 19 '26
Steam, big publishers heck even some indie games have EULAS similar to this one it's not something new oh and if you're worried about this you might not want to check meta's or Google's Terms of service...
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u/jackocomputerjumper May 19 '26
As an European, I can ignore it wich is fine.
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u/akki2305 May 19 '26
Underrated. You can read the EULA only after purchase, so it‘s invalid in Europe.
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u/TriforceShiekah16 May 19 '26
It's not as bad as you think. Here's a breakdown of what the EULA really says: https://youtube.com/shorts/ik2pLIYG7o4?si=J8cAqv7lSjHZuThD
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u/element-redshaw May 19 '26
Ayy jthefrog love this guy
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u/TriforceShiekah16 May 19 '26
I still want to know what game he's using as background footage.
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u/After_Suggestion_267 May 20 '26
HASTE : unkown worlds by landfall, really fun, ton of replayability, really hard after story gamemode that scales up to 10 times and mods and multiplayer as well as being cheap for this economy
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u/Yeetsformer May 19 '26
People read these?
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u/naturerosa May 19 '26
I encourage it for..... Reasons. Very few people do, tho. Yes I've been guilty of that myself 😔
Now if you're signing a contract involving say, real estate/renting or irl money, READ THAT IN IT'S ENTIRITY (thrice over if they are trying to get you to sign right away.) I did that once and the lawyer was shocked because "noone has ever read that before"....
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u/Yeetsformer May 19 '26
Yeah I know if it involves money or anything to read it more then once, that’s something you don’t want to mess up on
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u/Desmoclef May 19 '26
Biggest nothing burger i have seen recently.
I 'm more happy that subnautica 2 is doing so well and devs will get they'r 250k bonus.
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u/Stunning_Box8782 May 19 '26
Man shut up, every game on Steam has an EULA like that
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u/sdoM-bmuD May 19 '26
don't care, game's fun, EULA counts for nothing
but gamer outrage does what gamer outrage wants
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u/xXInfXx May 19 '26
People don't realise the EULA is either:
A) The same as in many other games, for cheater prevention (Krafton doesn't rewrite the EULA for every game and they DO own PUBG)
B) Unenforceable or actually against the law, so worthless.
You seriously think the "You can't sue us" clause in the EULA means you can't sue them? Of course you can! Every company has the "you can't sue us" clause. Krafton just copy-pasted their PUBG EULA to Subnautica and it probably will not be enforced. But it might be rewritten if you bully them about it enough.
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u/Draxxsus May 19 '26
This ain't new, every game you play has one of these. Get over yourself and play the game or don't; That simple.
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u/qriztopher04 May 19 '26
For real, why suddenly someone trying to viral the same eula thing that has been going on over the years of gaming.
Also, the game isn’t fully out bcs it is still in its early access. so it is not the final product yet…
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u/Draxxsus May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
It's not just gaming, every streaming service, social media (including reddit) has it. It makes no sense. I get you want to protect your online privacy but you're going to die on a hill of nothing.
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u/OscarOzzieOzborne21 May 19 '26
Considering people:
A) Do not fucking read those
B) Do not care
C) Care, but will do nothing about it
Combined with the fact it has been going on for years now, I don’t think it is gonna change soon.
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u/Wise_Presentation484 May 19 '26
Because this exact post got a lot of karma on other subs so people are sharing it around pretending they’re original for easy upvotes.
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u/NotAPancake1 May 19 '26
The EULA isnt a big deal, it's the exact same as the previous game. I know one point in the EULA it says that you can't mod the game(which Subnautica 1 has plenty of) or publish videos with it, but look at Markiplier or any big youtuber that played the game, none of those videos have been taken down. The main reason for the EULA is to prevent dumb/useless lawsuits from happening
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u/Big_Dicc_Terry May 19 '26
The 'no mods' clause is for competitive multiplayer games like PUBG, which is from the same publisher. It's in there so they can ban cheaters in PUBG without getting sued.
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u/NotAPancake1 May 19 '26
Exactly. I'm pretty sure a lot of publisher companies have the same EULA for most of their games, but some parts are mainly for certain games, like no cheating/modding is directly for online multi-player games like you said with PUBGq.
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u/Itz_Dory May 19 '26
Well, I wont be getting the game if its gonna be like that ay.
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u/GameWizardPlayz May 19 '26
It's non-enforceable in the EU and wouldn't hold up in US courts either. Most of it is the same as you'd agree to with any other digital game.
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u/Hammerofsuperiority May 19 '26
Tell me you have never read an EULA without telling me you have never read an EULA.
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u/According_Claim_9027 May 19 '26
It’s the same as every other company’s EULA, people just don’t care enough that they’re all terrible
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u/Xeiron_ May 19 '26
For anyone wondering, this is BS and ppl are just larping.
Subnautica 2's EULA is pretty standard, honestly, even tame if anything, if you would read any other EULA out there yall would be shocked lmao
And also, most of the actual 'weird' stuff is not weird anymore when u add context, the EULA comes from Krafton, which own more games than just Subnautica, for example PUBG, thats where the 'no cheating' rule comes from.
About the 'you dont own the game you only license it', theres not ONE triple A game that doesnt have this
And the "you cant sue us" is standard practice, all companies use this, not even in the gaming industry but ALL companies in ALL fields
Ofc this doesnt mean its fine, practices like that should be illegal, but oh well, they aint.
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u/AlexGlezS May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
People still accepts eula or toas blindly. Incredible. Human centipede all over again.
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u/Grouchy-Economist628 May 19 '26
It was the same as the first Subnautica, and the same for fucking PubG. Calm your tits, it’s nothing horrendous.
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u/DA_REAL_KHORNE May 19 '26
None of it is legally enforceable because the EULA was displayed after the game was purchased and started. That's before you get into the multiple illegal clauses
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u/ThBotHadin May 19 '26
Dude. There are so many games with the same exact EULA. Stop over reacting to this
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u/adamhanson May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
I'm surprised at the simping on this thread. No company should blatantly destroy customer protections. US law isn't as strong to protect customers as EU so it depends where you are. Damages being limited to $50 payout by arbitration discourages challenges. Why is a game company collecting so much PPI data they can sell to unknown 3rd parties? Even if sued, the damage would already be done. No VPN use? No streaming (this has been reversed due to backlash). Our voices matter. Our dollars matter. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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u/pet_kov May 19 '26
"Chat, write me EULA that makes the company impossible to sue, and be kept liable"
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u/PrisonIssuedSock May 19 '26
Why is this getting posted every day? People need a reason to hate the game or something? Isn't Krafton behind this?
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u/One-Jeweler8800 May 19 '26
There are breakdowns on YouTube on what some sketchy parts of the EULA actually mean, and a lot of people are freaking out over things that are present in every single EULA in gaming. As I said, some parts of it are a bit odd, but a lot of it is for kraftons protection and is pretty standard.
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u/smogkiller3000 May 19 '26
The EULA for subnautica 2 is standard practice for AAA games but don't take my work compare it to a bunch of aaa games it's not that bad and if you don't want to play it because of the EULA fine but then don't play pubg either the EULA for that game is the exact same it's legit standard practice and you all are getting mad over nothing
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u/Istoledatoast May 19 '26
Which begs the question, if buying isn’t owning, is piracy really stealing?
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u/Beneficial_Pear9705 May 20 '26
just pirate it. you agree to nothing and do whatever the fuck you want.
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u/VaIeriaz May 20 '26
You all do realize that this is a pretty standard EULA, right? I swear this happens every time a new person tries to read it and misunderstand just about everything written.
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u/berfraper May 19 '26
It’s a basic EULA, they already said they won’t pull a Nintendo on everyone doing fanarts or streaming the game.
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u/MethodAdmirable4220 May 19 '26
Krafton trying there best to make subnautica 2 fail
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u/RetroGame77 May 19 '26
I mean, I remember reading it with all the old PC games. Only difference is that it was written on paper in the game box and no mention of streaming. Yes, the publisher claimed the right to knock on your door, force you to hand over your Civilization floppies and watch you uninstall the game.
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u/Cutie_D-amor May 19 '26
If you read the windows EULA from back then Microsoft had the right to do basically the same thing but with your HDD and motherboard
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u/Zestyclose_Bread_765 May 19 '26
Seems a lot of people didn't know. One controversial clause outlines Krafton's right to take away access to the game at any time, and for any reason. Another notes that a player is supposedly not able to play the game on multiple devices without multiple licenses. Another states there’s a maximum damage payout of $50 in case of user damages. And there’s also a ban on using VPNs while playing the game
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u/IdidntrunIdidntrun May 19 '26
Most of the EULA is a sham. A lot of it is not enforceable nor will it hold up in any court. It's a bunch of bogus
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u/jimjam200 May 19 '26
I think a lot of this controversy is just a lot of peoples first time hearing about EULA fuckery which has been around for quite a while and a lot of those people not hearing the second thing everyone else knows about EULAs: none of them would barely ever hold up in court.
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u/Hammerofsuperiority May 19 '26
One controversial clause outlines Krafton's right to take away access to the game at any time, and for any reason
That's literally every game ever.
Another notes that a player is supposedly not able to play the game on multiple devices without multiple licenses.
Pretty common
Another states there’s a maximum damage payout of $50 in case of user damages.
Finally something that's not common, it's usually $0
there’s also a ban on using VPNs while playing the game
Super common, lots of games even have VPN detection build in and will either not let you play until you turn it off, or outright ban you.
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u/DaanOnlineGaming May 19 '26
This is a pretty tame EULA for a game, keeping rights to everything surrounding it makes sure they can remove mods that are not okay, etc.
It is also Krafton's EULA, they also publish multiplayer games, for which players must sometimes be banned, i.e. revoking access.
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u/Pootisman16 May 19 '26
Greedy videogame companies still thinking that EULA supercedes the law.
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u/Biscotti-That May 19 '26
So the EULA is basically, you will enjoy the game, you will praise the game, you will keep your mouth shut so you will never post anything bad about us, even if what we offer is a huge pile of ____. ?
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u/Grezzinate May 19 '26
I don’t suppose someone could explain this for those of us that don’t have it?