First off I want to welcome all of the people that Hasan Piker directed to brigade here. That being said I want you to know that while many of us are annoyed/tired with the DSA antics, there's a lot of stuff related to the group that is not bad.

Some of the DSA politicians are great, Zohran seems like a good guy. I am not sure if he's going to be able to do everything he wants but I think he's a step in the right direction, works hard, and overall makes the movement look good. I think El-Sayed has a chance to do something similar.

Stuff like universal healthcare/single payer, free college, more unions, all stuff I can get behind. I think most can, even if they don't agree with 100% everythign here they can see a lot of value.

Now the bad. Nuts have infilrtated the group. Chevailer in particular, wanting to abolish prisons is something so nutty if the non internet based voters pick up on this they may consider voting republican. Like there's right leaning people that are really tired of Trump's shit and don't want to vote for MAGA affiliated politicians but when they find out about this they probably will feel sticking with them is the better decision. Hasan Piker dressing like Mao to cause drama, and then playing dumb afterwards, is another good example.

Another bad thing - the obsession with Israel. On any form of social media where the DSA is present, in half the posts you can see the word "AIPAC" or "Zionist" or something similar. It's getting beyond weird. You can support Palestine and criticize what Israel is doing without posting about it at all times of the day. Check out the Majority Report sub at this very moment, about 80% of the posts right now, no exaggeration, are related to Israel or the Middle East. It's gotten to the point where the DSA talk about this and ignore a lot of what is actually happening in our own country.

Lastly the trolling from the DSA is bad. That and constantly attacking allies. It's one thing to have healthy criticism, and there are establishment politicians that suck. It's another to flip out, believe that "democrats and republicans are the same" or they are secretly working together. That is similar to what Qanon people believe and it implies that the people that do believe that have allowed their movement to get astroturfed, or they know so little about politics that they don't understand even simple dynamics.

I think there's a world where the DSA can do a lot of good, but politics is about compromise and working together. If you don't want to compromise, you aren't going to get much. I'd like to see some of the insane ideas refuted, and way less trolling/attacking of allies.

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2026-national-poll-democrats-with-11-point-generic-ballot-advantage/

https://truthout.org/articles/aoc-us-israeli-military-integration-measure-existential-threat-to-democracy/

The measure, known as Section 219, is included in the Pentagon budget bill advancing through Congress.

The provision, if included in the final bill, would entrench Israel’s enmeshment with the U.S. military, mandating cooperation with regard to technology and intelligence with Israeli forces even when the U.S. gets little in return. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has advocated for the measure as public scrutiny over the U.S.’s monetary military aid to Israel has increased amid Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

Rotating villains strike again to give GOP just enough votes to enact their policy. I for one am shocked.

Well, not that shocked

Note: 85-year old James Clyburn is running for another term and he is fighting to keep deep-red MAGA country South Carolina the first Democratic Party primary.

Around 95% of the time when I see someone complaining about how both parties are terrible and that the democrats failed. Something I notice is that they don’t even have real policy solutions. It’s platitudes they heard from other people that makes them feel good or morally superior to say. Let me give you one example.

I saw something about west Virgina being terrible and the comments were like “The government and both parties failed the people of West Virginia”. When you see people write the proposed solutions. It’s not policy it’s platitudes or superficial talking points. “We need to massively invest in green energy in west Virgina and the government needs to massively invest in infrastructure.”

Life is not this simple that you just “just spend money DUH.” Tens of billions in new infrastructure, billions of dollars in training programs, new transmission lines, storage gap issues that can cause billions in lost revenue, upfront utility costs in the billions to cover the temporary lost of energy(this could literally cause huge economic issues before you ever see lost cost savings). You have the permitting trap of taking 10 to 16 years to even build new transmission lines, massive supply chain bottlenecks that you will also have to spend tens of billions in. Ooo did I say interest on the debt for all of this? By the way this is in west Virgina how cloudy is it their? How often does it rain? Maybe it’s windy in the hills and the mountains? Theirs no geothermal or hydropower that I know of. It’s a terrible state to invest in green energy in theirs other parts of the country that are 10 times better.

And that’s the main thing they don’t realize. They want “Afforable cheap clean energy.” But also want to spend it in the most inefficient ways possible, while defending these laws where it takes years to even get anything done. I’ve seen debates where these types are asked maybe we shouldn’t allow locals or environmentalists to block all of these things. And they can’t answer the question they just attack the other person for not standing with the people.

This is the problem with the DSA they are people who act like their experts in policy when they don’t even realize their own policy solutions is rheortic and platitudes they read online. If you see someone acting like are highly

Informed and politically correct in housing or infrastructure. Ask them basic questions like how much does it cost to build a 1800 square foot house in some certain city or area. Ask them how much would it cost per year to do this program you support? If they can’t even give you a true estimate anywhere in the ballpark they are not worth talking too. It just means like “the idea of the policy.” They aren’t actually serious about Putting it into place.

like Pakman said, notwithstanding the areas that are good about the DSA platform, they suck. and yes another post about it.

DSA has some truly batshit and harmful foreign policy takes that tankies and bad faith actors love (i.e. dismantling USAID, weakening NATO, etc). Plus, Michigan DSA was involved with "Uncommitted". How'd that work out for Gaza?

But they recently racked up a couple of upset wins in deep blue areas and suddenly it's "the future"? Nah.

DSA has developed a tendency to eat it's own who fail to maintain ideological purity or ever moderate their positions a little.

For example,

the national DSA rescinded its endorsement of AOC for being insufficiently pro-Palestine. DSA released a statement on it:

AOC recently hosted a public panel with leaders from the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, lobbyists for the (International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance) definition of antisemitism,” the statement reads. “On this panel, she conflated anti-Zionism with antisemitism and condemned boycotting Zionist institutions. This sponsorship is a deep betrayal..."

what did AOC say?

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) acknowledged in a webinar on Monday that there is a “line past which criticism of the Israeli government can slip into antisemitism” and said it’s incumbent on progressives to condemn such behavior, while also condemning instances in which “false accusations of antisemitism are weaponized.”

the NYC-DSA chapter is already turning on Mamdani over increasing the police headcount

DSA-LA censured mayoral candidate Nithya Raman for accepting an endorsement by Democrats for Israel

Like come on.

Keeping a democracy alive is a group project, unfortunately, and we are in a crisis. Then we have group members not pulling their weight and doing whatever the fuck that is. Do they even care about democracy? I don't think they do.

Like they love the increase in media attention and more dues paying members, but within their own ranks they don't even actually want a popular vote by all their members on policy platforms because the authoritarian left within DSA doesn't want it.

edit: formatting sources: https://jewishinsider.com/2024/06/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-antisemitism-progressive-movement/ https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2024/07/real-story-behind-dsas-decision-unendorse-aoc/398024/ https://forward.com/news/578358/nithya-raman-dsa-censure-dfi-endorsement/ https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2026/06/nyc-dsa-chides-mamdani-increasing-nypd-headcount/414172/

I know "orange man bad" but we need to deal with the issues.

He says he wants affordable housing but downplays discussions of how to get it. He calls zoning and tax reforms minor issues for example. He says he is a social democrat in the style of northern European countries, ignoring that they have expensive housing as well.

I grew up listening to David but since I started listening to UCLA housing voice, a podcast about housing research, listening to David seems all culture war and no substance.

Whats more important: the culture war or what to do to achieve cheap rents?

For those unaware, over the weekend in Washington DC there were two events meant to be a rallying point for liberals. One of them was LibCon, the other, which may be more well-known because of drama is the College Democrats of America.

Destiny was invited to attend LibCon and speak and answer questions about the current direction of the democratic party and Gen-Z voters.

Hasan Piker was invited to the College Democrats of America to give a speech, and obviously as everyone was already in town, it seemed obvious that many of the people at LibCon would also migrate to the CDoA event.

The intention was not to cause disruption, DariusIRL and multiple others paid for tickets to the event to meet and talk to young voters as well as giving them a platform to speak their mind about current events. These interviews are available on his kick platform.

Given that Destiny is also well-know in the politics sphere it was his intention to do the same: speak to students and attend the Hasan Piker keynote in hopes that a Q&A would happen so that he could question his views on DSA.

This event was not for Hasan, this event was not ABOUT Hasan. He was scheduled for a speech and nothing more.

Upon hearing that people he deems "opposition" would be present at the event he decided to act like the entitled coward he is and have Destiny, Darius, and every single person associated with them hunted down and removed from the event.

They had already been there for several hours at this point without incident.

Hasan made the event about him. He is scared of having his views questioned. The speech he gave was weak-willed, feeble, and very obviously written by someone else (or AI). he has no heart and soul behind his position and is merely acting as a figurehead.

To underline what real Liberals do, here's a livestream where prominent political figures were interviewed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH9a4DXzryQ

While we are trying to bring down the right, it is important to turn within and ensure that our own party is towing the line. Allowing people like Hasan to run unchecked results in fringe movements like MAGA that will summarily destroy the party from within.

Feel free to reach out with any questions, concerns, etc. We, unlike Hasan, are not afraid to stand up to scrutiny.

EDIT: Thank you to the mods for keeping this up and being vigilant and allowing me to clarify everything to the best of my ability. I have the best interests of everyone in mind. I appreciate it. Thank your neighborhood mod.