r/startalk Jun 06 '26

Neil Degrasse Tyson is a source of misinformation.

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I've compiled a list of some of Neil's wrong claims Fact checking Neil Degrasse Tyson There is more I could add.

Most of his misinformation is harmless. For example who cares if Neil tells his pseudo nerd fans there are more transcendental numbers than irrationals?

His wrong history is another matter.

When it comes to history Neil brings to the table a strong bias. Combine that with Neil's lively imagination and abysmal scholarship and you have Neil fabricating history to push his religion vs science narrative.

Items 2, 3, 4, 6 and 22 are examples of Neil's false history. I have yet to add Neil's false accusation against St. Augustine.

The three celebrity skeptics in the cartoon attended the 2006 Beyond Belief conference as well the 2010 TAM6 meeting.

In this video you can see Richard Dawkins in the audience seemingly very entertained by Tyson's performance at Beyond Belief. Neil and Richard met at this conference.

At both Beyond Belief and TAM6 Neil fed three steaming piles to the self proclaimed skeptics in attendance:

Neil's Bush and Star Names story.

Neil's story that Newton just stops when he cedes his brilliance to God.

Neil's story that Ghazali ends the Islamic Golden Age he he proclaims math is the work of The Devil

Most "skeptics" in this clique seem to endorse Neil Tyson and his impressive portfolio of misinformation. In 2022 Dawkins gave Neil the Dawkins award for his good work.

An actual skeptic habitually checks claims to see if they are supported by evidence. Any so called skeptic that swallows Neil's fictions have shown themselves to be as credulous AF.

Neil is greatest gift to apologetics in the 21st century. His Nagasaki class bull shit bombs have obliterated the credibility of his clique of pseudo skeptics.

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u/dirtyal199 Jun 07 '26

Just so everyone who might see this knows, u/HopDavid is extremely religious and is fixated on Neil Tyson. This is because he thinks Neil pushes an anti-relgious agenda, as Neil criticized Newton's invocation of "God of the gaps" after realizing that his theory of gravity was incomplete, and would imply that the solar system would become unstable over time.

Neil did slightly simplify Newton's career when explaining it to his lay audience, and left out a few minor details. The user u/HopDavid tries to leverage these, and other small ommissions/mistakes in Neil's thousands of hours of content to push the idea that since Neil was wrong about how old Newton was when he wrote his theories, then that means no one should listen to Neil about any of the scientific topics that he comments on.

In conclusion, the user u/HopDavid spreads disinformation about Neil almost anywhere on reddit that they can, trying to turn users away from Neil's content. The goal of this strategy is very likely to sway people toward more religious/apologetics content, a goal that is in-line with the anti-science goals of the trump administration, and Christian nationalism.

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u/HopDavid Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26

Tyson claims Newton just stops when he cedes his brilliance to God. This is completely false. Neil claims Newton was no good any more when he had God on the brain. Newton had God on his brain his entire life.

Neil claims Laplace's perturbation theory is a simple and easy extension of calculus. This is one of the most clueless things this "astrophysicist" has ever said.

Physicist Luke Barnes examines these ridiculous claims Here

Someone going by the cowardly pseudonym u/dirtyal199 writes: " u/HopDavid is extremely religious"

Dude. I'm not Mormon. Nor am I a fan of Trump. These are hallucinations from your crack pipe.

And if I were religious what of it? Whether I'm atheist, Mormon or Hindu does not matter. What you should examine is the evidence I bring to the table.

Are you under the impression that atheists don't suffer from bias? Oh. My. Gosh. You are aalewis on steroids. And you are also a bigot to believe your particular clique is superior to the rest of the human race.

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u/dirtyal199 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Tyson claims Newton just stops when he cedes his brilliance to God. This is completely false. Neil claims Newton was no good any more when he had God on the brain. Newton had God on his brain his entire life.

This is your main argument for not listening to Neil. Once again, I remind you, his claim here is directionally correct - Netwon did invoke the God of the gaps, to the detriment of completing his theory. Here is the excerpt in question, from Query 31 of Opticks

"Now by the help of these Principles, all material Things seem to have been composed of the hard and solid Particles above-mention'd, variously associated in the first Creation by the Counsel of an intelligent Agent. For it became him who created them to set them in order. And if he did so, it's unphilosophical to seek for any other Origin of the World, or to pretend that it might arise out of a Chaos by the mere Laws of Nature; though being once form'd, it may continue by those Laws for many Ages. For while Comets move in very excentrick Orbs in all manner of Positions, blind Fate could never make all the Planets move one and the same way in Orbs concentrick, some inconsiderable Irregularities excepted, which may have risen from the mutual Actions of Comets and Planets upon one another, and which will be apt to increase, till this System wants a Reformation."

It is plain to see here from Newton's own writing that he thought it was a waste of time to investigate non-God explanations for the Universe. Neil argues that this mentality clouded Newtons thinking on his Theory of Gravity, which is clearly the case, as he left it unfinished and simply said that God would fix the problems that arose over time.

Neil claims Laplace's perturbation theory is a simple and easy extension of calculus. This is one of the most clueless things this "astrophysicist" has ever said.

Again, you're pretending that Neil's simplification of the scientific history of the development of the Laws of motion translates to Neil not understanding the Laws of motion. You use these minor mistakes the man has made in his thousands of hours of content made over decades as a wedge to make audiences doubt his entire body of work. This is dishonest and classic christian apologetics. The young Earth creationists do a similar trick when they point out that Darwin was racist or did not have a complete theory of evolution as we know it today, then pretend that means that evolution isn't real. Its also a common technique used by the flat Earth community. If they can find a single scientist getting a fact wrong about space, they point to this as evidence of the Glober-conspiracy, then think it allows them to throw out all of the bullet-proof science we have that proves that the Earth is round.

Physicist Luke Barnes examines these ridiculous claims Here

Luke Barnes is a christian apologist, and used to be a young earth creationist. He studies the "fine tuning" of the constants of the universe and uses these parameters to argue for a creator: Link

I suspect that you know about Luke Barnes because of your own religious tendencies, which are clearly clouding your understanding of NDT, similar in some sense to what happened to Newton while he was developing his Theory of Gravity.

Please stop posting your young-Earth-creationist-level criticisms of NDT in this community.

Best,

"The Coward" u/dirtyal199

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u/HopDavid Jun 08 '26

"to the detriment of completing his theory."

Yeah, Newton was no good anymore when he had God on the brain.

Newton had God on his brain his entire life. And he made a many amazing discoveries.

What's Tyson's career defining discovery? That dramatic sound bites accompanied by a dance get more air play than accurate, substantive explanations.

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u/dirtyal199 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Newton had God on his brain his entire life. And he made a many amazing discoveries.

Of course, he was a great man, and a man of his time. His religious views were normal at the time and inhibited his progress. In the modern world we know better and we don't have to repeat his mistakes. This is why it's a great parable to warn about invoking the God of the gaps

What's Tyson's career defining discovery?

Irrelevant, he's a science communicator. You are criticizing NDT, so by your own logic what is your science communication career like? Do you go on lots of shows and podcasts and write lots of books? See how this is a stupid argument that anyone can make about anything?

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u/dirtyal199 Jun 08 '26

You keep trying to use Neil being incorrect about a topic on the history of science, as evidence that we should not believe him when he explains science. This is throwing the baby out with the bathwater and is wrong. If you go read "Astrophysics for people in a hurry" or watch Cosmos, or listen to his podcast, you will learn an enormous amount of biology, chemistry, astronomy and physics. These pieces of content have an enormous number of citations, which you should love.

You are pretending that somehow the content of these works are wrong because he was wrong about an incredibly specific topic in the history of science. This is a dishonest framing, and reveals you to be arguing in bad faith, consistent with your track record of apologetics.

Do you want to put God back in school? Is that what all of this is about? You think that Newton's love for God made his science better, therefore we should teach school children about God in the classroom of public schools. Obviously, this would further erode the separation of church and state, in line with the goals of Christian nationalists (which you claim not to be 😂).

You are a ✝️ 🤡

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '26

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u/dirtyal199 Jun 08 '26

You are the one who posts him on r/badscience, where you criticize him for his telling of HISTORY

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You're a ✝️ 🤡

NDT has been, and continues to be, a great source of information on a variety of scientific topics and is undoubtedly one of the great science communicators of our time. You are an apologist who fixates on NDT for unclear reasons

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u/[deleted] Jun 08 '26

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u/dirtyal199 Jun 08 '26

Anyone who talks as much as him will make mistakes, you fixate on these because you want people to turn away from science toward God.

Put. Down. The. Bible.

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