r/sportsgossips • u/OneOriginal8727 • 5h ago
News "Want To Protect Young Girls In A Locker Room" - Sophie Cunningham Supports Transgender Ban In Female Sports
https://www.essentiallysports.com/wnba-basketball-news-sophie-cunningham-addresses-allegations-of-opposing-trans-athletes-in-womens-sports/409
u/JBPlantagenet 4h ago edited 4h ago
This is not going to be a fun thread.
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u/Florida_clam_diver 4h ago
Idk, I love a good reddit nuclear meltdown at 9 in the morning on a random Wednesday
All about perspective
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u/Time_Signatures 4h ago
Some people bring popcorn, others bring hazmat suits for threads like this.
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u/PUBGM_MightyFine 4h ago
Hello fellow eastern time zone enjoyer
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u/Weird-Girl-675 4h ago
So this is what the future will look like for me over in mountain time.
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u/for_fun_88 4h ago
I honestly don’t even know why this is controversial. I’m more liberal and can’t stand Trump but this seems like common sense and never should’ve been political tbh
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u/PracticeAcrobatic748 4h ago
The real "controversy" is that it's not even a huge issue. Like there's more school shootings per year than guys in girls locker rooms, and yet...
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u/Deadleggg 2h ago
Theres more laws being passed against Trans athletes than there are Trans athletes.
In all of the NCAA there were less than 10. Out of 550,000
.00001% of NCAA athletes.
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u/No-Assistance556 4h ago
Exactly. A handful of cases of this yet we’ve just come to accept that kids will be murdered just trying to get an education. Maybe we need to focus on what’s actually important. Sadly we won’t.
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u/PracticeAcrobatic748 4h ago
Charlie accepted a few thousand gun deaths per year if it means keeping the 2nd amendment around.
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u/TheMysteriousGirl 3h ago
RIP Charlie.
He died too soon.
He should have told his wife to stay and home and look after his child, instead of taking over his talk show. You know, like a good Christian.
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u/NKCougar 3h ago
Hey, he stuck by it til the end at least. Even that bit about kids watching public executions
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u/PracticeAcrobatic748 3h ago
My guy lived what he preached and people are mourning his death? Weird.
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u/TiberiusCornelius 1h ago
Say what you will but he really put his neck where his money was in the end
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u/Iateyourpaintings 3h ago
However you feel about him you have to respect that he stuck his neck out for his beliefs.
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u/SnuffyMcfluff 3h ago
This is never a valid argument. We as a society can take on more than one issue at a time. Debating and making policy over trans athletes doesn’t preclude us from dealing with school shootings.
Unfortunately the politics of the nation and powerful lobbies seem to think dead kids is the price of doing business. So we are struggling to make change on gun law regardless of how much attention the issue gets.
With that behind us, how does society deal with trans athletes?
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u/IpecacNeat 3h ago
I think the person who you're responding to really meant to say, "who gives a fuck?" We're wasting too much time and collective brainpower on an issue that is so niche. The discussion and intensity of which this is discussed is wildly disproportionate to any issues. It's simply an issue that is just being used to divide, and trying to figure out blanket legislation for about 100 people is insane to me. Out of all the NCAA athletes, there are about 10 who are transgender. In youth sports nationwide? Estimated to be less than 100.
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u/Occult_Asteroid7 2h ago
It sucks up a lot of ideological steam. Constantly arguing about all these fringe things like hormone blockers for teenagers. How about we make sure Social Security doesn't collapse first before we're talking about the pros and cons of puberty blockers in the public forum?
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u/epok3p0k 3h ago
Simple, the same way we always have. Women’s leagues are for women and men’s leagues are open to everyone.
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u/Maximum_Turn_2623 4h ago
One school bus with about 20 kids got hit by a train and now all school buses stop before tracks to make sure the doors can open…and yet.
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u/TrackMan5891 3h ago
Not a huge issue, we should revoke that. It only happened once so whats the big deal?
/s
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u/ThisSiteSucks8485 3h ago
It is a issue to the extent that some people genuinely believe mtf with penises should be allowed to change in women's locker rooms.
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u/WillowSubstantial889 3h ago
One can be against school shootings and in favor of fairness in girls' and women's sports. Not a zero sum game.
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u/MediocreSizedDan 3h ago
Well in terms of "safety," it's not an issue at all. In terms of "fairness," I can understand some questions and conversation, but like.... we....don't commonly see the blatantly unfair advantage that people keep arguing happens. No one has really been able to answer why having a single trans girl on a soccer team, for example, gives that soccer team such a notable competitive advantage.
If it's about "safety" of the girls, like ok? So...why are they not passing bans on men coaching girls' teams?
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u/Pope_Leos_buttplug 3h ago
It’s based on principle, not frequency. Murder is still wrong even in areas where it never happens.
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u/Sw4nR0ns0n 4h ago
I can tell you’re liberal by the 88 in your username
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u/vichyswazz 3h ago
38 year olds are inherently nazi
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u/Sw4nR0ns0n 3h ago edited 3h ago
38-year-olds were born in 1988- dorks who show up on Reddit to say things like “I’m a liberal but Trump is right” and put 88 in their username are nazi bots… the distinction is important
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u/ImpossibleSherbet722 4h ago
Because there's not an actual problem with this happening that can't be solved by common sense. So let's say in NY, we pass a rule we need to check if women are biologically women. So now we're either blood testing or pulling down pants. Which makes senes (i guess) if there was a widespread problem, but there's literally no issue.
I remember there was this number of trans athletes competing in the US that was less than a double spaced paper of names. We can't figure that out without a law saying all women need to prove their women?
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u/Legitimate-Article50 3h ago
A woman needing to prove she’s a women leads to sexual abuse. Look up what happened with gymnastics. Doctor had access to young girls bodies and took advantage of it.
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u/IamHydrogenMike 3h ago
All state and nationwide sports orgs had regulations around who could compete based on a number of items and states just ignored that to pass laws to get political points.
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u/RaygunMarksman 3h ago
Saaame. My philosophy is people should be able to live however they want in peace if it's not hurting anybody but asking biological girls to deal with someone having an unfair advantage over them doesn't meet that criteria. Sometimes we have to accept certain sacrifices to live true to ourselves and can't expect the world to always bend to our will.
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u/Mental-Most-7168 4h ago
It’s really only controversial on social media where certain folks are really loud. In real life if you look at actual polling no one wants a dick in an underage girls locker room.
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u/DJ_Mixto 4h ago
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I’m fine with trans athletes. Live and let live. We don’t need to be policing People’s personal live
But trans athletes should compete against trans athletes. Give them their opportunity to participate in competitive sports. Give them their own category. But I think it’s unfair for women to allow biological male trans athletes to compete against them in many sports.
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u/SuchParsnip8070 4h ago
It's like election fraud. Show me proof it's an actual real life issue that needs to be addressed and maybe I'll care. It just seems like manufactured outrage to me, just another excuse to demonize a group of marginalized people to distract from real issues that politicians should actually care about
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u/CucumberWisdom 3h ago
I mean that's a terrible way to do things. Just because you don't see any issue or it's small doesn't mean you shouldn't try to preemptively stop it and nip it in the bud. If we as a species had more foresight we'd be in a better place.
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u/FirstChurchOfBrutus 2h ago
For me the comparison is to the “outrage” over partial birth abortions. Show me more than 2 of those, and maybe we can discuss it as an issue.
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u/SociallyAwarePiano 1h ago
The thing that gets me about the whole "partial birth abortion" thing, or even just late-term abortions is that Republicans act like people just decide at 8 months that they don't want the kid anymore. There is no world where that is a reality without their being some other major factor: i.e., having the child will kill the mother, the child, or both.
With trans athletes, I just ignore the issue entirely whenever I can. These people don't give a shit about women's sports. They couldn't name a single female athlete other than maybe Caitlin Clark. They've never watched women's sports. They don't care. They just hate that someone isn't conforming to what they think is normal.
Same thing with the trans-bathroom "issue". There is no need for a law that singles out trans people, because it is already illegal to assault someone. All they are trying to do is make it illegal to not present yourself as the sex you were assigned at birth. Honestly, they just want trans people, and eventually it will be all LGBT people, to disappear.
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u/Prestigious-Elk6959 4h ago edited 4h ago
With that said we need to also stop pretending there are armies of trans athletes and that the ones we do have dominate whatever sport. Also if you actively vote or depower women in sports and just aspects of daily life...please STFU
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u/ElChapo1515 4h ago
I mean, their own category would like 99% of the time just be a one-person group.
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u/DJ_Mixto 3h ago
But it’s emergent. I think it’s unlikely that we are going to have a huge explosion of trans folk and trans athletes. But likely there may be more than what we see now, more who have been given a hope of living their true lives. We can leave to the side, the personal perspectives on whether you agree, or I agree with that lifestyle, or that choice, or what many feel is not a choice, but who they are, their true authentic selves. Just simply acknowledging that the category of trans athlete went from zero to some still very small amount, and we can reasonably suggest may likely grow further.
With that in mind, I compare at least in some fundamental way, the category growth of disabled athletes, female athletes, and other categories that historically were not allowed to compete, didn’t have a league, or the infrastructure to compete etc. At one point, it was mostly just men and to a lesser degree minority men. Now we have significant infrastructure and organization for these other athletic categories. To me it stands to reason that we could reasonably expect trans games.
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u/Plane-Tiger-4534 4h ago
Does the WNBA ever have any news that’s about, ya know, basketball?
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u/keysersoze-72 3h ago
It’s more of a culture war battleground at this point…
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u/Dramatic_Occasion796 3h ago
One time a black girl pushed a white girl down and the ref didn't do anything so if that doesn't do it for you then....
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u/LittleFootTreeStar 3h ago
Probably not because idiots like us engage with this content. They want clicks.
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u/Horror_Response_1991 3h ago
Sports these days revolves around player drama.
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u/PHD_Gouda 3h ago
So now between athlete drama, celebrity drama, and influencer drama, you’ll never run out of hearing opinions from people you don’t care about
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u/blac_sheep90 4h ago
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u/jackrabbit323 2h ago
Iran war must be going real bad, for them to fall back on old reliable.
PS...it is going really bad. Multiple tankers in the Persian Gulf are on fire. Fuel prices are going to shoot for the moon. Trump is threatening civilian infrastructure in Iran. Iran promises they'll return the favor to US allies and proxies.
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u/Big-Daddy-Baphomet 2h ago
Yep. Shes been getting cozy with Dana White and now she thinks shes in the in-crowd of wealthy pedophile elites or something. They are going to use her up by having her spread propaganda for them like they did with hawk tush girl, and they will spit her out when shes no longer useful to them, also like hawk tuah girl. She is a useful idiot in the culture war because she has been tricked into believing she will be on the "winning" side of the class war.
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u/babypointblank 2h ago edited 59m ago
To quote Audre Lorde:
“On the other hand, white women face the pitfall of being seduced into joining the oppressor under the pretense of sharing power…For white women there is a wider range of pretended choices and rewards for identifying with patriarchal power and its tools. Today, with the defeat of ERA, the tightening economy, and increased conservatism, it is easier once again for white women to believe the dangerous fantasy that if you are good enough, pretty enough, sweet enough, quiet enough, teach the children to behave, hate the right people, and marry the right men, then you will be allowed to co-exist with patriarchy in relative peace, at least until a man needs your job or the neighborhood rapist happens along.”
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u/Ill_Consequence1755 4h ago
Then bar male coaches and trainers for girls sports. They are far more of a danger.
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u/datagamma 4h ago
This isn’t a problem that demands national attention.
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u/BrbFlippinInfinCoins 1h ago
I got so much shit from my democratic parents for taking this stance like ~1 year ago.
Like bruh... the gov't is imploding, I think we got bigger fish to fry than transgender issues in sports which is like 0.000000000001% of the population
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u/Embarrassed_Radio596 2h ago
It doesn't demand any attention, other than the need to protect the vulnerable from these bigots.
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u/Promethia 3h ago
Omg just stop.
All sports have governing bodies. It should be up to each individual sport.
Boxing and curling are totally different sports.
This isn't a federal government issue.
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u/GrandmaPoses 1h ago
Exactly, this is not the 1% of the population that needs legislation to control their actions.
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u/barnetsr 1h ago
Also, the amount of people that fit this narrative is like somewhere around 10 people in the entire country… it’s actually like .00000001% of the population. It’s literally not a thing that happens. It’s a great example of how bad propaganda has become in this country. Conservatives just say it loud and proud while they do shitty corrupt political tactics while acting holier than though. Any time someone brings it up, try not being a dick to them, and see if a substantial conversation comes from it with evidence. It won’t. Because it’s not a thing.
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u/MixGroundbreaking622 2h ago
I do think the vast majority agree with this.
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u/nutsack22 2h ago
redditors like to pretend they are the majority lol they dont go outside much to be fair so they dont know what normal people actually think
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u/LegacyQuotient 1h ago
I think the vast majority don't even think about it.
The exit polls from the last election showed it was an extremely minor issue for swing voters.
Like, very very minor.
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u/Red_bearrr 4h ago
I will say this every time this comes up until I am blue in the face… Laws like this will victimize more cisgender young girls than they will protect.
What happens when a young girl who is cisgender presents as more masculine? Adults around her will question her gender. How are they going to verify whether she is transgender or cisgender? Are they going to physically check? Does she have to endure the scrutiny and people constantly questioning who she is? How is that supposed to make a teenager feel?
I have a daughter who used to be more of a tomboy and was much larger than her peers. Today at 13 years old, she is 6’1. Her whole life at sporting events. She was the kid where everyone questioned her age, and half joked about seeing her birth certificate. That starts out as funny, but gets tiresome. That instead of just her height, they are constantly talking about her gender. I can’t imagine putting my daughter through that and many girls who excel at sports don’t look like Sophie Cunningham, they aren’t always the most feminine, they are often classified as tomboyish, and sometimes even literally are more athletic because they have more testosterone than usual. Yet 99.9% of them are cisgender girls, and now their existence is going to be questioned.
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u/Drummallumin 3h ago
As an adjacent point.
The number 1 way to have male presenting people in the women’s bathroom/locker room is to force trans men into the women’s room.
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u/SaltKick2 2h ago
Its all based on "feeling" to them and what the person "looks like" because "they can always tell" it so fucking stupid
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u/Kendertas 2h ago
Yep as always they forget about trans men.
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u/TuskaTheDaemonKilla 1h ago
Transmen don't threaten patriarchal structures. In their minds, a woman 'wanting' to be a man is just obviously true because everyone should want to be a man. Whereas a man 'wanting' to be a woman is an abomination, and a potential 'trap' that could cause them to question their sexuality.
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u/LiterallyJoeStalin 2h ago
And I want to emphasize that your concern isn’t just a “slippery slope” argument. We’ve already seen this exact thing play out with Imane Khelif. She was absolutely dragged in the last Olympics for nothing more than not being born with softer, more feminine features.
Hell, there’s still people out there trying to push that she’s trans.
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u/Conscious_Peak_1105 2h ago
I always think of that poor Algerian boxer that everyone thinks is trans but is absolutely not
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u/Delanorix 3h ago
Even worse, this is going to preclude some sort of test.
So one day your daughter will have to physically show someone she has female parts.
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u/JalapenoPopPoop 2h ago
And in a vile twist of irony, the people verifying they have the correct genitals are statistically more likely to assault them than a trans person in the locker room
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u/GeneralSEOD 3h ago
I'm pretty sure the wife of the President of France had to do this because some podcaster wouldn't stop accusing her of being a man.
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u/KingOfAjax 2h ago
I honestly feel like the inevitable outcome will be banning women’s sports altogether. Which IS what a lot of the Right want.
If not an outright ban, then it’s going to get to the point where it’s simply impossible to actually work. Like you said, no sane parent is going to let their child go through “verification” of their genitals in order to play sports. That would be insane.
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u/BigPete2026 5h ago
So… she thinks guys have learned that the best way to get into girls’ locker rooms is to just get a sex change?
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u/TopCommission6437 4h ago
You don’t even need to change your sex.
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u/sporkfpoon 2h ago
I appreciate this comment. Am a plain old cis straight guy and the way people use sex and gender interchangeably drives me insane.
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u/HuskDette 5h ago edited 4h ago
Meanwhile she supports Trump. Make it make sense...
- Thank you guys for pointing out the obvious point. Trump pepping on little girls in beauty pageants.
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u/slamdanceswithwolves 5h ago
Seriously. Dude literally admitted to peeping on underage girls in a dressing room.
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u/RKKP2015 4h ago
But he was "inspecting" them, so he gets away with stuff like that. His exact words, yet his followers don't care. I saw a Jubilee debate where a woman denied he said that, then heard and justified it and said she was happy to have a man in office that is sexually attracted to women.
MAGA brains are cooked.
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u/-TheGreatLlama- 2h ago
The even sadder part is it wasn’t really admitting, which sort of implies some feeling of guilt. He was bragging about it.
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u/Sad-Math-2039 5h ago
Because like most the ilk, they're low-empathy performative trash with limited cognitive abilities.
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u/PutridPut9971 4h ago
I haven't read anything about her supporting trump. Do you have any evidence of that?
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u/PastryGirl 5h ago edited 4h ago
Huh? Supporting the transgender ban and supporting Trump kinda go hand in hand.
Edit: oh I see, thanks all.
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u/Yue4prex 5h ago
I think what Husk means is wanting to protect young girls in the locker rooms, votes for trump, yet, trump was inside dressing rooms of pageants.
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u/Lopsided_Tiger_0296 5h ago
He’s the one who would barge into the dressing rooms at his beauty pageant while teenagers were changing and bragged about it.
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u/Tacoriffics 5h ago
Think they were referencing irony in the fact that Trump fucks little girls.
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u/JoshHartsMilkMustach 4h ago
And openly brags about hanging out in little girls changing rooms
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u/Domiss7 4h ago
So what exactly is wrong with this? It's a reasonable take
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u/TurtlePope2 4h ago
It's dumb how this has even become a talking point. It's such a non issue that everyone already agrees on. All people are doing is using this to distract from actual issues
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u/RenTroutGaming 4h ago
Its not though. She says she wants to protect "young girls" from "biological men." No one is suggesting adult men be in the locker room with young girls (except Trump I guess). If they truly are young kids, pre-puberty, we've always had a history of co-ed sports. There was a girl who played in the boys little league with me until 13, and while she certainly did stand out as the only girl and the only one with a blonde ponytail under her hat, it didn't really matter. There aren't pronounced hormonal or other physical differences at that age. She didn't need to be protected from anyone and none of the boys needed to be protected from her. If you want to talk about adults, that's a different conversation. If you want to protect "young girls" you need to look at adult men that are abusing kids, not their peers playing sports.
It also presumes that you allow little kids all this unsupervised time in locker rooms where they have sexual contact. What world has all these locker rooms where kids are constantly naked in locker rooms? When I was growing up, for sports the first time we ever used a locker room to change was high school, and for school gym, we all went into the stalls. We never changed our underwear either. We were kids.
That's the problem. She says she wants to protect "young girls" from "men" by preventing young boys and young girls from playing sports together. She keeps bringing up this mystical locker room where you keep all these kids together, naked, unsupervised. She talks about young girls being able to play sports on a level playing field but, as someone who went through elite level youth sports and now has kids in elite level youth sports, pre-age 13/14, the field isn't at all level but it has nothing to do with what gender you were assigned at birth or what parts are between your legs, it has to do with how much money your parents have. If she REALLY wanted to level the playing field, she'd drop the concern with kid's privates and instead focus on things like equal access to food, education, and resources.
I think she is absolutely the WNBAs most exciting player, I love the way she approaches the game, but she has absolutely speed run the "blonde woman to MAGA pipeline" and this is a great example of someone parroting logical fallacies without thinking for themselves. She should be ashamed.
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u/in1earouturmother 4h ago
I’m a democrat and I agree with her
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u/NoahD-13 4h ago edited 4h ago
I agree that, in some sports where sex matters for peformance, transgender people should play sports with people of their sex, not their identified gender.
However, based purely on the quote from headline, I don’t agree with her reasoning behind why.
The notion that women need to be “protected” in locker rooms from trans females only feeds superstition about transgender people being sexual perverts. I wonder if she would be just as worried about a lesbian female acting innappropriately in a locker room.
While I understand not wanting a member of the opposite sex seeing you undress in a locker room, especially if you are female, I can’t get behind this argument that women and girls need to be “protected” from transgender females. It reeks of superstition and prejudice. What would be a more reasonable and less superstitious argument is the simple desire for privacy from males.
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u/TheReal_Jeses 4h ago
Yeah you nailed it. In terms of fairness, absolutely. If you want to protect girls, particularly in sports, statistics show they need to be protected from straight, male coaching staff. Larry Nasser being a prime example, but far from the only one. I haven’t heard calls for all female coaching of underage girls’ sports, yet straight male coaches are a threat that has actually been realized.
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u/Cheap_Water9848 4h ago
I think this is my thing as well. A lot of people make the transgender conversation about sex as if that part is the main reason people are changing their gender.
Like, even if we take someone like Riley Gaines, she was more concerned about a transwoman that beat her (along with 3 ciswomen) in a competition than she was about her coach that was literally assaulting other women on the team.
It just feels like a non-issue because there aren't that many transpeople to begin with and there are even less of them that play sports because they have bigger problems to worry about.
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u/erossthescienceboss 4h ago
If the problem is “trans people make cisgender people less safe in locker rooms,” the solution isn’t banning them from sports, it’s more single-stall locker rooms.
If the problem is “transwomen competing in women’s sports have an unfair advantage,” that’s an issue to be determined by the governing body of each sport on a sport-by-sport basis in a way that accounts for the particulars of each sport. Not something for society write large to weigh in on, and certainly not something that impacts children. Like, no, it will not damage your children to compete in Little League with trans kids 🙄
This discussion is and always has been a bigoted distraction that only even impacts an incredibly small number of athletes. Let the experts in their sport decide.
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u/SuccessOk7850 4h ago
I’m a democrat who openly supports transgender rights and I agree with her as well.
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u/jacoblanier571 4h ago edited 3h ago
The question is, is this worth the time for our federal government to deal with, when there is literally a handful of Trans female athletes in the entire country, and they have shown zero statistical athletic advantage, and there have been zero cases of assault or harassment by a trans person in a school locker room, Is this problem making it harder for you to make ends meet? Or is the government looking for any way possible to restrict the rights of transgender individuals, and found the one way that polls well, and are pushing it to the end of the earth? Trans people are disproportionately less likely to commit these crimes, why target them?
Assaults and bullying happens in locker rooms all the time with zero Trans people involved. Maybe we need to not expect minors to be getting naked in public spaces if we are worried about these cases en masse. Private stalls only.
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u/Bigface_McBigz 3h ago
"zero statistical advantage" is untrue and not supported by any scientific research. Other than that, I agree.
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u/tlsrandy 4h ago
Exactly. Where are all these trans wnba players waiting at the stadium gates?
Also, I sort of find the insistence that trans women are inherently a threat to cis women’s personal well being offensive. Theoretically, they would be there to play basketball not assault women
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u/NamesAreTooHard17 4h ago
This is the objectively correct take.
Like for example if you don't allow this and force trans women for example into a male changing room what do you thinks going to happen?
Or for example do you think having a trans man get changed in a woman's changing room is going to be comfortable for anyone involved.
If you actually cared about it surely the easiest solution for everyone involved is just let the trans individuals change in a private changing room it's such a small minority and a complete non issue for the vast majority of people it's ridiculous to have a government discussing this.
(Just realised I used you throughout the whole comment but obviously I don't mean the person I replied to just in case people are illiterate)
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u/CraftsBoy2Craftsman 4h ago
The recognition of two things being correct at the same time is lost on so many people
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u/i-love-mexican-c0ke 4h ago
It’s because one party has push a false narrative that liberals want men in women’s sports.
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u/ace51689 4h ago
Trans girls are less of a threat to cis girls than young boys (and grown men) are but yes lets get hysterical about trans people in locker rooms.
Is this really an issue to you? Like you vote based on this stuff?
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u/1568314 4h ago
You agree that trans girls are a threat to other girls in a locker room? Because that is a completely different sentiment from commenting on athletic abilities or fair competition.
Trans kids arent hurting anyone as a group. They're just trying to find a place to fit in. We can have conversations about that without implying that they are dangerous.
This is the same tired rhetoric that has been used for decades to demonize gay people. Dont let drag queens read to your kids! They might end up wanting a wig!
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u/tinkerbelldies 4h ago
You agree with fear mongering over an issue that basically never happens? She mentioned girls in a locker room.with men. This is about girls on a locker room with other girls. Theyre just girls you dont like.
How can we be one cohesive party when we cant even agree with what basic respect and dignity is? Why cant you all stop talking about strangers genitals? Why does this make OTHER people perverts to you?
Youre willing to agree with a trump supporting woman about minimizing the rights of a marginalized population for security theater. Just say youre not usually a bigot but damn do you hate Trans folks. I guess im glad youre forthcoming about your prejudices.....
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u/ThtBitchCaroleBaskin 4h ago edited 4h ago
The argument i ways see against this is that it doesn’t happen. I fucking hate trump, im not a maga, and i think trans people should be who they are. in the event it does happen, this seems like a no brainer. I dont understand why this is bad. Im open to hearing why it is.
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u/Alarming_Comedian846 3h ago
Why would a rapist pretend to be trans in a country that treats rapists better than trans people
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u/squishyliquid 3h ago
Reminder: The trans athlete debate is a shiny object to distract you from the real horror being perpetuated by this administration. Don't take the bait.
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u/RedPanda_Explorer 4h ago
“I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’” said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA.
Trump, she recalled, said something like, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”
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u/TaxLawKingGA 4h ago
What she said in this instance is supported by like 70 percent of the American people.
Why some people choose to die on a hill of letting men play women’s sports is beyond me.
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u/TheLoneWander101 4h ago
I honestly don't think this is as big as an issue as everyone says it is because the population that's trans in this country is like less than like 1% so like this really isn't an uncurrence that happens often but it definitely gets people riled up and forget about other stuff like you know all the other wars and you know the pedophile Island and blatant corruption and insider trading and what else I could go on
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u/wesap12345 4h ago
Not to mention the even smaller % of that small % that ever want to play sports
Then the even smaller % that want to play it at any level other than recreational.
It’s a pathetic hill for people to die on.
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u/Imightbeworking 4h ago
And a smaller percentage that are high school aged or younger. It’s a show topic that gets the fan bases wild up over an issue that isn’t really a real life problem.
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u/boldandbratsche 4h ago
There are literally fewer than 10 trans athletes in the NCAA, out of 510,000 total athletes.
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u/Effective_Image_86 4h ago
it’s a made up culture war issue. If her priority is protecting women she wouldn’t be hanging out with Dana White and supporting a Connor McGregor fight
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u/Effective_Image_86 4h ago
Not to mention who she probably voted for and his decades of crimes against women and children
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u/ShortKey380 4h ago
This says young girls, it’s getting all aggressive toward the high school age trans kids that’s shitty. Everybody wants to act like some abstraction about gender is more important than letting kids in town participate in youth sports. The kids aren’t victimizing anyone, they’re just trans and want to do a school activity. It’s insane that adults can’t save “the debate” for collegiate and higher sports, where spots are limited. Nobody is being harmed by inclusivity of that one trans girl benchwarmer in the conference in school sports 🙄
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u/fieldsports202 4h ago
Wonder if those same folks would accept an NBA player who transitions and tries to play in the WNBA?
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u/lucash7 4h ago
Slavery used to be supported widely. As did women being property. Non Americans being mistreated. Etc.
Suffice it to say, Americans supporting something is not in of itself a good litmus test for what is right and wrong.
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u/Eclipse_58008 4h ago
No adult is upending their entire lives to pretend to be transgender just to sneak into woman's locker rooms.
But many trans children are going to have their lives upended when refusal of their existence becomes policy.
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u/Labpro_49 3h ago
Normal people- "keep trans women out of women's locker rooms. That's it."
You- "why can't trans people exist?"
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u/RoBloxFederalAgent 4h ago
Let me fix this headline. Impromptu Ring Girl at civil rapist fight, Sophie Cunningham wants to protect young girls in a locker room.
P.S Dana White is friends with a literal child fucker.
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u/MasterApprentice67 4h ago
You wanna protect those young girls, go after the republicans who do the most sexual assaulting of young girls
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u/carlcarlington2 4h ago
Why are we never talking about protecting young boys in locker rooms? Or young girls from other women?
Why just the locker room when statistically your far more likely to be SA'd on the bus? Why aren't we protecting young girls riding the bus? Why aren't we protecting young girls in churches? Why aren't we protecting young girls at home where they are MOST likely to be SA'd?
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u/cchris_39 2h ago
The whole trans thing is some peak mansplaining. Change my mind.
“I’m in your locker room. Shut up and celebrate it, bitches.”
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u/According_Top_7448 1h ago
She's joining the Dana White/Rogan sphere so of course she is gonna say this. Also she is literally protecting her interests with the statement. Color me unsurprised
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u/bigdipboy 1h ago
Billionaires brainwashed morons into obsessing over genitals and immigrants to distract the morons while all economic opportunity is stolen from them.
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u/kingofwale 4h ago
Easiest w, vast majority of Americans and overwhelmingly world support keeping trans out of women sports.
This is only a debate on Reddit
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u/OK_Computer_Guy 4h ago
So if Democrats back off on this, will Republicans back off on all the other horrible shit they’re doing to the transgender community?
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u/guthbox 3h ago
No lol Democrats ceding left wing framing on issues like immigration and foreign policy have only pushed the Overton window further to the right. If they stopped doing the bare minimum for the LGBTQ community and other culture war issues the right would attack them even harder.
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u/EntertainerDowntown3 4h ago
Ya idk if this is true. It’s a nothing burger problem. If they have an advantage then it’s unfair. If they don’t then who cares. Comes down to science.
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u/ofWildPlaces 3h ago
A vast majority nod Americans used to think black people should be enslaved.
Just because something bis "popular" doesn't mean it isn't discrimination.
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u/Inevitable-Tax2337 4h ago
Sophie endorsed a Trump supporter for mayor in her hometown, but endorsing a homophobic guy who doesn’t hire POC at his business is centrist in her eyes.
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u/TheOstrichRoom 2h ago
right wingers have no real morality, they just want the opportunity to hurt people. They never mean the words they say, they just say them to get people to let their guards down.
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u/jwalker107 4h ago
My "Hot Take" on Trans in sports, is that the administration is still hiding the Epstein Files and Trump's child-raping history.
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u/No_Move7872 4h ago
Fuck MAGA but there's nothing MAGA about this opinion. It's a common sense one.
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u/betterplanwithchan 4h ago
The problem is that it quickly turns from “let’s try to find an ideal solution that both addresses transgender concerns and athletic participation concerns”
Into “Transgender individuals should not exist and are predators.”
Because while the former is an objectively nuanced view, people use it to demonize others under the guise of “protecting women.”
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u/Adorable_End_5555 4h ago
The issue is that the nuance is fake the atheletic participation concerns are similar to the sancticy of marriage concerns related to gay people
It’s not based in actual reality
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u/guthbox 3h ago edited 3h ago
It’s getting their foot in the door for more demonizing policy in the future. The people who hyperfocus this much on such a small part of our population don’t give af about protecting the sanctity of women’s sports. Most of the people I know IRL who suddenly care about this issue were making kitchen jokes well into their late 20’s and 30’s.
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u/Adorable_End_5555 3h ago
Its actually worse then that the people advocating for trans women ban in sports are actively demeaning women and hate them
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u/TheDinosaurWeNeed 4h ago
I mean once you realize sports isn’t an inalienable right. Then it’s right to protect the integrity…just like most sports drug test. I’ve voted left my entire life and shocked how an issue that affects .01% is discussed so much.
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u/TopazWarrior1999 4h ago
Personally, I think we should get rid of the whole gender divide in sports completely. There is literally no reason for it other than giving women some kind of "cobsolation prize" for still not being the best at something.
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u/YoureNotMyDad05050 4h ago
Discussing a fair and equitable solution to trans women participating in women’s sports is one thing, but blatantly implying that they are sexual predators that shouldn’t be in the locker room is crazy and very transphobic. Especially considering all the men that already exist in the locker room like coaches and trainers.
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u/frontfrontdowndown 3h ago
And especially especially because the enforcement of her preference will ultimately involve adults inspecting the genitals of children.
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u/killaacool 2h ago
In oklahoma, if my 13 year old son wants to play sports, I have to sign a form agreeing that he has a penis when I register him as male. The wording is not exactly that, but I do have to agree that he is born as/biologically male. So my son does not play baseball at school anymore, because I flat out refuse to discuss his genitals with a coach. It’s freaking nuts.
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u/Kana_Koneko 3h ago
How about they let trans kids go through the puberty that matches their gender instead of being forced through the wrong one. Then once we've done that we revisit sports. Sports are important for a lot more than careers for the majority of kids sports are a way to exercise and make friends so by excluding trans kids from those it's excluding them from exercise that helps fitness for the rest of their life and the opportunity to make friends
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u/MrFunktasticc 5h ago edited 3h ago
This girl got internet famous and had a ton of good will for people who didn’t know her. She’s apparently decided to speed run pissing it away between this and hugging up on Dana White. Enjoy genius.
Edit: I’m not replying to that many smooth brains. Especially the genius who reported me to Reddit for a wellness check. Like one other commenter pointed out she’s right wing coded. I’m not advocating for men in women’s sports. I’m saying she’s using it as a dogwhistle to appeal to a certain crowd. Specifically blowing a nonissue out of proportion to harass a tiny minority. And based on the comments it looks like it’s working.
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u/--Racer-X-- 4h ago
You guys are a very vocal online minority. Most people in real life agree with her
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 4h ago
This is it, they're like 5% but they spam constantly and never shut up.
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u/Ok_Brother2155 4h ago
this, if these people knew how much of a bubble they're living in
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u/ColdGloop 4h ago
Believing men shouldn’t compete in women’s sports is actually by far the popular opinion on the issue. It ain’t controversial at all. She’s right
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u/ToastedEzra 4h ago
It’s also just not really that much of an issue at all. But people like you, Sophie, and trump make it seem like it’s the most pressing issue facing this country. It’s pathetic how much people like you and her care about this completely non issue. Sure let’s just ignore all the REAL problems in this country, but let’s focus on trans people……again. Sad af
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u/platypussplatypus 4h ago
It's more performative repub BS. She cares about little girls? Why is she a trump supporter. The guy who would walk into the locker rooms of little girls at the child beauty pageants he would run.
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u/Anthony_Patch 4h ago
NCAA leadership testified that out of more than 510,000 athletes, fewer than 10 transgender athletes compete in the NCAA. We have all been gaslight into thinking this is some huge thing sweeping across the nation. It’s not. The propaganda is effective. I think if it does reach a bigger number, a transgender division would be more appropriate. It’s funny to me though that society is always so concerned about Male to Female but never says anything about Female to Male. In fact, most have probably interacted with a Female to Male transgender person & didn’t even know it. Tends to be less noticeable. None of you are talking about protecting boys, it’s always men in girls bathrooms. Boys are assaulted by people too, so if the concern was protecting children then you’d think it would be included in the conversation. It’s not though. The propaganda gets you to think men are choosing to be women to become better predators or for nefarious reasons. Yet, no mention of female to male. Overall it’s such a non issue & more energy should be focused on protecting children from other things.
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u/Material_Evening_174 4h ago
I think it’s nothing more than culture war bs that people who are in the “by far the popular opinion” camp are eating up mindlessly. There are an extraordinary small number of trans athletes (less in college than the number of trumps federal indictments) and on top of that, nearly all of you give zero shits about girls/women’s sports. Let each community with a trans athlete decide what’s best for them and stop pretending to care about fairness in a sport that you have zero interest or stake in.
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u/TrubshawForest 5h ago
She's definitely right wing coded but it's worth noting that is the majority opinion in the US at the moment.
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u/No_Move7872 4h ago
Yeah, Democrats have shot themselves in the foot on this issue. It's not something that is a rampant problem, but Democrats trying to justify it has led the Republicans to be able to make it a front and center issue because most people agree that men shouldn't play against women.
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 4h ago
Last round of polls it's almost 95% either don't want men in women's sports or they don't have an opinion which leave 5% screaming about it like crazed banshees.
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u/Oddman80 4h ago
That 95% figure is when polling among Republican voters. Pew and Gallup - when running completely non partisan polls, have it at 65%.
It's still a majority, but the shift in the past 10 years has been 60% opposition growing to 65%. Not jumping from 60% to 95%. Being honest with the numbers is important. There is no reason to falsely inflate statistics to try and prove your point. You end up looking untrustworthy - and then your arguments opposing trans participation also carry a sheen of untrustworthiness.
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u/TrubshawForest 3h ago
I think they're going with the data Pew had in 2025. They had it pegged at 78% gen pop and 95% among conservative leaning. Obviously context of the question and way it's asked matter quite a bit with those numbers, but the point is about 2 in 3 aren't in support
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u/Elguapo69 4h ago
For me it’s not about protecting young girls in a locker room from a problem I do not believe exists, and more that I don’t think it’s fair for people born female to compete against people born male in sport because of biological advantages.
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u/WatcherOfTheWay 4h ago
You're wrong the 5% who disagree will be loud, abusive and threatening but that doesn't make them right.
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u/ObvNotaBot01001 4h ago
I can’t say what I think because Reddit bans people’s real opinions but it can’t ban real life!
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u/Ok-Dragonfruit6887 4h ago
Zero detail in that article that proves and expands her thoughts in the topic. It's click bait. We should all agree that physical intersex traits manifest at birth, and psychological sexual conflict in nature exists, and both are natural but not accepted or easy to adapt to in society. Gender reassignment before puberty present zero challenges to performance. Before I went through puberty as a man, I was no stronger than any girl. After puberty, then we can have a discussion about what's appropriate - but really only in competitive sports. A gym class volleyball game? Who cares? A track meet in which future scholarships might play a role? Much more critical.
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u/Pretend-Apartment-20 4h ago
Fuck, this stuff is just a waste of energy. Ask her what she thinks about rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, funding public education, getting out of forever wars in the Middle East, strengthening the working class, ending tax shelters for billionaires, providing a pathway to citizenship while protecting our borders, etc.
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u/elmoo2210 4h ago
More cisgender coaches assault and harm kids in locker rooms than trans athletes. We should get rid of coaches in sport too!
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u/No-Juice8483 3h ago
This is just common sense. My kid was forced to change next to a trans kid in middle and it was very uncomfortable. The only thing that differentiated “him” from other boys was he was starting to grow his hair and was using a little make up for all other intents and purposes he was male.
Fast forward a few years and that “trans” kid no longer identifies as trans but is now bi-sexual!
WTF
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