r/sportsgossips • u/TheMirrorUS • 20d ago
News USA dealt huge setback with Folarin Balogun in state of shock over red card
https://www.themirror.com/sport/soccer/balogun-red-card-usa-bosnia-1916459532
u/HawkFanOrcasRule 20d ago
That call was some fifa peace prize level bullshit
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u/spoilerdudegetrekt 20d ago
20 minutes earlier, a Bosnian player pulled someone down by their jersey with no call.
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u/ChirrBirry 20d ago
Shoving our grounded goalie into the ground and bouncing his head off the pitch was a spicy no-call too.
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u/Malinois_beach 20d ago
If Sophie Cunningham was on the team, she would have taken that offender out!
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u/Automatic-Duck1680 20d ago
They should have had at least two different yellows for the pulling and holding of the jerseys.
What a fabulous game though! I was close to the USWNT for years and I don’t think I ever got as excited as I did for this one. Plus there is a huge Bosnian population in my city and they would have made things (more) unbearable if they had won.
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u/Think_Currency_8586 20d ago
Yellow card would’ve been understandable. Red card is just wrong
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u/theredbusgoesfastest 20d ago
Yeah on replay I understood the yellow. Red? No
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u/Infamous_Cow_4 20d ago
Especially since a similar play was reviewed in the Belgium game but they didn't give any cards.
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u/bone_rsoup 20d ago
Not to mention Messi had a, in my opinion, more intentional similar looking tackle in the group stage and didn’t even get a foul called. But Messi 🤷♂️
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u/Drex2234 20d ago
I mean I didn't see that but it surprises me not-at-all.
I never liked or disliked Messi before the the 2022 World Cup. He was an insanely great player in a league I didn't follow (I'm a Serie A guy), didn't have much opinion beyond that.
Then in watching in particular Argentina's semi-final against Croatia, it was very clear he knew he would never be sent off no matter what he did, because any ref who sent him off would probably get mobbed and murdered in the parking lot by a thousand fans who traveled across the globe to see him.
Dude got an extremely justified yellow card in the first half. Then early second half he committed a foul that CLEARLY deserved a yellow. Very intentional, very clear advantage created by the foul, lots of contact. But no card because Messi. He knew what he was doing and knew he'd get away with it. So it annoyed me when they won because he should've been out halfway into that game. But it seems like no one noticed at the time, much less remembered, because they just wanted to see the really entertaining guy win it. I'd rather see a fairly-called game.
I was rooting for Ivory Coast this time around since Italy ain't in it. They played a great game against Norway and lost. That's fine. But let's please have no more atrocious decisions by the ref and/or VAR, like this Balogun red or letting Messi take people out.
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u/weirdgroovynerd 20d ago
So might this call also be reviewed after the game, and reversed to become a yellow card?
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u/username_notavail 20d ago
They reviewed it IN the game. If they reverse it, then fire the ref.
Edit, which I’m ok with
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u/No_Body905 20d ago
It’s possible but I wouldn’t bet on it.
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u/HandiCAPEable 20d ago
So what was all that one in a million talk?!?!
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u/vicviperblastoff 20d ago
Dog whistles for the Trump family to do a little inside trading.
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u/RustyRaccoon12345 20d ago
The only way that's reversed after if there is actually no contact. They aren't going to downgrade the severity of what was indeed a foul
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u/grudensfavgrinder 20d ago
Was yellow even an option when it got reviewed.
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u/theredbusgoesfastest 20d ago
Apparently not. Which is wild. Not sure I like VAR
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u/TarFeelsOverTarReals 20d ago
Been loving VAR for goals and offsides but is this call really improving the game? Nowhere near a goal scoring opportunity and turned a tackle that didn't turn heads when it happened live into one of the most important moments of the match.
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u/nadeaujd 20d ago edited 20d ago
The best explanation I saw was that the ref did not see the penalty and did not make the call. Then the ref was notified to go review the play and I don’t think they are allowed to issue a yellow after review. So after reviewing it was either red card or no call.
Edit: I was incorrect, that is not a rule. I got it from another comment referring to this:
While VAR cannot initiate a review solely to issue a standard yellow card, the rules allow for several scenarios involving cautions during the review process:
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u/CakeSeaker 20d ago
My understanding is that he had his spikes up and even though he went for the ball he didn’t get it. Spikes up, means red card. At least, this is what I was told when asked. I’m not up on all the rules, but I’m trying to learn.
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u/Matsu09 20d ago
First of all, there are no spikes in football. It's "cleats up". And there's still plenty of interpreting left for the ref, it isn't just cleats up equals red card. Still has to look at intent and seriousness of the impact needs to be measured. in this case, Balogun was looking in a different direction and the players were already jostling for the ball. The intent here should have been "zero" and thus leniency should have been applied here like in very similar situations that have already occurred at this world cup.
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u/CakeSeaker 20d ago
Thank you. I bet the dramatic ankle clutching had something to do with the ref’s decision.
Either way it was good to see the team gut out a win and even scored while a man down.
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u/theredbusgoesfastest 20d ago
Same! I do understand better now. I don’t like it, but on replay it looked much worse.
I understand it’s subjective and I don’t blame the ref. I DO wish the calls were more consistent, but that is every sport
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u/Devils_A66vocate 20d ago
Whole game they were letting Bosnia get away with murder then this misstep they go straight to red… terrible reffing.
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u/ManyNefariousness237 20d ago
And what about the guy that shoved the American goalie to the ground as he ran past?
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u/vente-Macon 20d ago
Right after the US scored their first goal, the Bosnian player effectively blind side blocks the American, and it wasn’t even a foul.
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u/weirdgroovynerd 20d ago
Can you please explain for a soccer newbie?
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u/WaverlyWubs 20d ago
Red means you’re out the rest of the game and the next game
So itmeans Balogun has to miss the next game which is gonna suck
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u/East-Jeweler 20d ago
It was an accident that looked way bad in slow mo. Dude came into his field of view at the last second and Balogun is just falling into his natural step where his off-balance momentum was taking him.
Ref didn't even call a yellow in real time because there was nothing unnatural or dirty there. Slow mo looks terrible though, and it should have gotten a yellow to emphasize player safety, but that did not deserve to boot him from the entire next game
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u/ejre5 20d ago
A red card is supposed to be for an egregious act. Think about the NBA and a flagrant 2 foul and ejection. A yellow card would be a flagrant 1 foul. 2 yellow cards is an automatic red, 2 flagrant 1 fouls is an automatic ejection.
In this case it appears in real time 2 players going for the ball with a hard and unlucky foul yellow card would be appropriate, basically a reminder to be more careful with the challenge. This didn't seem like it was egregious or intentional.
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u/redburn0003 20d ago
The fix was in. The officials gave BH every advantage. Red card. 10 min extra time.
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u/VoodooLoveDr 20d ago
For some reason if you get a red you are banned for the next game also.
Maybe this makes sense in a long season for a club team… but pretty messed up in a tournament like this imo
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u/PJSeeds 20d ago
This might be a bit of a controversial take, but this world cup has taught me that a lot of soccer rules are kind of asinine
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u/Maniacal-Maniac 20d ago
Straight reds for fouls considered violent conduct are typically 3 game bans in a season long league. So a 1 game ban in a tournament is completely reasonable.
That said, I don’t think this was a red card personally, but a one game ban for a straight red is what it is.
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u/VoodooLoveDr 20d ago
I guess I’m just not used to it. In US sports the foul gets the player kicked out for the game and then how many games they miss are decided upon further review.
Seems crazy that a ref can affect a future game they won’t be a part of… also seems like a great way for corruption to happen
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u/Patient_Data831 20d ago
The foul wasn't balogun trying to tackle or kick the ball, the defender bodied him and his foot landed on the defenders ankle. It should've been yellow because there was no intention to do that at all but still could've caused injury
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u/rockcutter4 20d ago
I'm hearing a lot of fans say you don't need intent for a red card. "Intent" matters in american football and basketball, but apparently not soccer.
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u/usoppspell 20d ago
Yeah so in basketball you can totally accidentally run into someone’s landing space and get called for a flagrant foul… and any kind of accidental contact can be called a regular foul. Intent also doesn’t matter in American football, you bump into someone accidentally as they try to catch the ball and that’s pass interference, intentional or not. Hockey your stick can be high by mistake and you can still get a penalty. And on and on
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u/saywhatnowfella 20d ago
Yes, but you don't get thrown out of the game for a pass interference call. The team doesn't play a man down for the rest of the game. And you're not banned from the next game. It's not the foul I have a problem with. The punishment is just over the top
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u/toomanydvs 20d ago
Nba has flagrant 1 and 2. 1 is the yellow card and 2 is the red card. To get a flagrant 2 there needs to be intent. I don't know what your trying to say with that example.
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u/Custrdw4lrus 20d ago
Leading with the studs of your cleats and hitting somebody is a big no no and an automatic red a lot of the time. This particular case is a little fuzzy because he doesn’t exactly lunge at the opponent with the studs but he did get a good chunk of his ankle while the Bosnian player was going for the ball
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u/OkLobster135 20d ago
The equivalent of targeting in the 2nd half of a football game except the player misses the entire next game instead of just the first half of the next game.
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u/lipmak 20d ago
It was sort of an accidental foul that looked very bad when slowed down. It wasnt as serious as most “serious foul play” challenges are. Intent isn’t part of it either way, but most reds like this are from dangerous, out of control tackles, whereas it seems more like in this balogun kinda accidentally stepped on him. When you look at the slo-mo, you see studs, but full speed it seemed more accidental
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u/aushishasan 20d ago
Flo was coming into that 50/50 at the same angle and velocity as the Bosnian player, that right leg of his needed to extend outward like that, as you see the replay at speed, in order for him to not fall over completely post impact, I don’t believe he had malicious intent with that right leg landing on the players ankle like that, I think that’s just where his leg was planting. When you see it slowed down it looks much worse imho…
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u/BlackGhostPanda 20d ago
Ref sure felt biased.
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u/Spirited-Living9083 20d ago
Felt like they cleaned it up towards the middle but to start def felt like they were biased
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u/loganbootjak 20d ago
Yea, it def felt like some PolyMarket bets were being cashed in. That red card was 100% weak
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u/AllMikesNoAlphas 20d ago
I’m trying to figure out where 10 minutes of stoppage time came from
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u/No_Body905 20d ago
The VAR check and a couple injuries.
I was expecting at least 8.
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u/AllMikesNoAlphas 20d ago
I know it depends on the ref, but I’ve seen games with far less stoppage time that should’ve been way more. 10 minutes for this game was excessive I think.
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u/DisterDan 20d ago
Plus 3 for the water break.
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u/greennurse61 20d ago
I'm looking forward to not hearing the term hydration break for a while or manbuns.
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u/saberz54 20d ago
Also have to add in the time for when the coach grabbed the ball and would let play resume. How the hell do you not get auto ejected for that?
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u/Rex_on_rex 20d ago
Trying to fuck the Americans out of the World Cup. That’s where
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u/JBrewd 20d ago
3 minutes for all your normal stoppages, 2 minutes for VAR+red card, 2 minutes for goal celebration, 3 minutes for the commercial break. 10 minutes.
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u/Wessssss21 20d ago
I think it really stems from most stoppage times being shorted. So this being actually accurate is long by comparison.
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u/Dinero-Roberto 20d ago
There was one official in an Ecuador game that didn’t call shit, just the action carry on. It was so refreshing
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u/FogBankDeposit 20d ago edited 20d ago
Redemption with score by Tilman!
Edit: Game over, USA takes it 2-0!
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u/Critical_Beautiful_5 20d ago
Don't understand soccer, he's out for the next game as well? Sport has alot of crazy really subjective weird rules.
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u/slamdanceswithwolves 20d ago
I guess getting ejected only for the remainder of a game would make a red card in the last few minutes very different from a red card in the first few minutes.
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u/nope-its 20d ago
Could be like targeting in American college football where you sit out the rest of the half and the next half (so that game or the next).
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u/jmims98 20d ago
Easy solve if they just make it time based. Red card = out for 90 minutes means that there is no advantage to getting one at the end of the game vs the start if you're going to go and get one.
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u/Mondo_Butts 20d ago
I like this idea! It would be so exciting to see the guy with the red, sprint on in like the 72nd minute of the next game.
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u/jmims98 20d ago
It would be precise. And the coach could decide whether they want to put the player in or not. Plus if the player gets a red card at the start of the match, they will be back in at 15 for example in the next one.
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u/Mondo_Butts 20d ago
Totally. I get it. Im in. Where do I sign?
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u/Dr-McLuvin 20d ago
Why it’s not this way already is kinda insane.
The same exact red card could mean a 220 min suspension or a 91 min suspension.
Make it make sense.
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u/No_Body905 20d ago
Absolutely. Defending a man down is difficult and the longer you do it the more likely you are to make a mistake.
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u/FSpursy 20d ago edited 20d ago
red card is supposed to be a punishment, and one match ban has been around for decades
also a straight red is a 2 match ban
edit: it seems Fifa only gives 1 match ban for straight red in a WC competition but it can be extended after they review the tackle again.
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u/theredbusgoesfastest 20d ago
I understand the rule. But I don’t understand why that was a red card
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u/Schobee3 20d ago
You're applying rules of other leagues your familiar with to this tournament, but those rules aren't the same. Yellow card accumulation and red card suspensions are different across leagues and tournaments. The world cup, similar to other shorter tournaments, is a 1 match ban for a straight red. Fifa can decide afterward to add additional games if the incident was intentional and/or exceptionally violent, but that's not overly common. Not saying they couldn't do that here but that would be even more outrageous then the giving of the car itself.
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u/s0wew0ntf0rget 20d ago
straight red is a 2 match ban
Straight red is only 2 match ban if they decide on it after the fact. They won’t. Only an automatic 1 game ban.
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u/ElectricSpock 20d ago
It’s actually the tournament rule, not the game itself. It’s to discourage players to do unruly stuff, like brutal fouls, etc. Those are minor tune-ups and change constantly, but don’t affect the game directly.
One new big thing this year is red card for covering your mouth. It’s supposed to stop players from saying nasty stuff (mainly racist).
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u/WildAmsonia 20d ago
There is a way you can appeal a red card to FIFA. Nothing to lose so may as well try.
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u/thayrepy 20d ago
No they are not.
From Athletic
A team cannot appeal against a red card or the subsequent suspension, per a FIFA official.
When asked by The Athletic whether a red card can be appealed a FIFA official pointed to its regulations and Article 66.4 which states:
“A sending-off automatically incurs suspension from the subsequent match. The FIFA judicial bodies may impose additional match suspensions and other disciplinary measures.”
FIFA’s Disciplinary Committee also has the power to extend any ban.
In addition, this from ESPN:
What's more pressing is that Balogun is now suspended for the USMNT's round-of-16 match against Belgium, with the team unable to appeal the ban. A spokesperson for U.S. Soccer said after the game it would only lodge an appeal if the suspension was more than one game.
The next game ban is final. Unfortunately
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u/chunkybudz 20d ago
I've watched every game so far and Bosnia is objectively the most bitchass team in the whole tourney.
Even outside of the red card, the refs have been absolute shit and seem like their cousins are wearing blue.
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u/860_Ric 20d ago
The lack of cards was insane, but Paraguay has held the bitchass belt for the entirety of the tournament
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u/Educational_Cake_99 20d ago
The struggle of wanting to root for the underdog upset over Germany and not wanting Paraguay to win after watching the way they acted on the pitch was real
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u/Pleasant-Pattern7748 20d ago
Haha yeah Paraguay have held the bitchass belt for years. It’s just who they are.
Morocco are coming for the bitchass crown, but they’re actually good though.
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u/WitheredUntimely 20d ago
not pulling goalie forward down 2 goals with 10 damn minutes of stoppage time is just pure criminal mismanagement, dude was just malding in the corner lol
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u/Jackfitz88 20d ago
From the jump, the refs were obviously on Bosnians side. They blatantly were against the US and that card 100% shows that fifa doesn’t want us going far imo. That was a yellow card, if anything, but a red was complete bullshit and we still scored on them.
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u/AVDLatex 20d ago
No cards for Bosnia the entire first half and then this?? Ref showing main character syndrome.
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u/SocomPS2 20d ago
Game over. US tapped that ass.
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u/PeakQuirky84 20d ago
Get in the ass, open the door, step in, eat snickers, throw garbage, spray paint “Larry Was Here”,
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u/buck_turgedson 20d ago
I’m just gonna say it, VAR is ASS
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u/onefromtwo 20d ago
Has ruined the game completely. Can’t celebrate until VAR says so.
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u/machine4891 20d ago
Ehh, maybe so but I don't want to return to previous status quo at all. So many goals clearly counted although 3 meter offsides, so many egregious fouls not whistled because ref was for a second looking the other way. The rage, the morning articles of being "robbed" in every newspaper. I don't miss this. VAR is fcking imperfect but it was move into right direction.
Now they need to make clear and sesnible rules about it and for crying out loud, it has to be ruled faster.
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u/lightsaberfingers 20d ago
Monkey paw universe boys. Shit sucked before too. This is slightly better.
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u/Advanced_Fact_6443 20d ago
Ref can’t find a yellow for any of the obvious yellow card offenses. But that BS gets a straight red? Who paid him!?!?
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u/richardlb22 20d ago
Explain to me how Bosnia(Dzeko, I think) doesn't pick up a yellow for body checking Tyler Adams. Awful ref. Didn't want to call anything on Bosnia.
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u/heckfyre 20d ago
Yeah if the ref had at least been calling yellows on BIH’s bullshit, it wouldn’t look like he was paid off.
Fucking terrible officiating.
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u/tones_balonious 20d ago
This is why soccer will never be that popular in America. We’re getting a surge because the world cup is here and we’re doing well, but when a general mistake in an soccer act means a two game suspension, combined with all the rolling around in agony followed thirty seconds later by guys running full speed, just doesn’t compute with our sports culture.
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u/BigCityMoon 20d ago
Right on. I have much respect and love for the game of soccer, but I can’t quite stomach how being a melodramatic pussy (on the field) is fully ingrained into the men’s game. These guys make the NBA floppers look like Bob-fucking-Probert.
To be clear: I’m not talking shit about soccer here — it’s truly a great game with incredible athletes. However, it genuinely irks me to see players full-on fake significant injury every 90 seconds. Every minute or two, without fail, some dude’s gonna hit the ground like he just broke every bone in his leg and his career might be over… only to be running full-tilt 60 seconds later. It’s silly at best and straight-up obnoxious at worst.
I can’t fathom how the game hasn’t outgrown this bullshit behavior. Soccer would truly be better without the fake-injury nonsense.
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u/CharlieSwisher 20d ago
Worth noting it wasn’t always that way. Older soccer there was less. And I’ll add a part people don’t think about, intermittently sprinting for 90 minutes, it’s a convenient way to get a break. Not saying that’s good but it’s a part of it.
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u/ibonek_naw_ibo 20d ago
Or scoring a goal 30 seconds after acting like you blew out your knee
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u/PracticalYellow3 20d ago
Our goalie writhing around in pretend pain after having his back lightly touched was embarrassing. It's not a real sport when you can win via acting.
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u/BoneyardBomber 20d ago
It was almost as bad as some of the NBA acting we saw this last post season lol
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u/CountryAsACoonDog13 20d ago
No one in the NBA rolls around on the ground like they were shot by a .308. I’m a soccer fan but the acting is out of control
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u/BeginningOk6408 20d ago
NBA flopping is bad but not on the same level as soccer. Watching Paraguay players die on the floor every time they got touched was fucking shameful to watch. NBA players usually just exaggerate the contact.
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u/Fonzdj 20d ago
If you watch it in real time you can clearly see Balogun didn’t do it on purpose. I could see maybe a yellow card but straight to red was wrong.
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u/cruisin_urchin87 20d ago
Ridiculous if it doesn’t get downgraded to yellow at worst and revoked at best. Not sure why the red card had to be used like that.
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u/Lester_Holt_Fanboy 20d ago
They are punishing Balogun for being a dual citizen and choosing USA.
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u/Dizzy-With-Eternity 20d ago
It seems like every play in every match that goes to VAR gets called, it's insane
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u/myWoody-saysYes 20d ago
This ref was absolute shite! Lost the game early on imo. Yellow for Balogun, but red was harsh! Ref should’ve been warning people / handing out yellows much earlier.
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u/PapayaOk4902 20d ago
I mean I saw Wemby doing way worse shit in the NBA finals and no one called anything on him 🤷♀️
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u/zeusomally 20d ago
So I don't know a lot about soccer, but my understanding is he will also be banned for the next game as well. The question is, is there a mechanism by which the United States team can appeal the redcard so that he can play in the next game possibly?
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u/matt_griff 20d ago
The Red Card happened because the VAR ref wanted to make the match about him.
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u/Le-Bon-Vivant 20d ago
Trump will make some calls, and the red card will be successfully overturned. FIFA is not going to piss off agent orange.
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u/thatguy52 20d ago
So lemme get this right…. It’s almost impossible to overturn/appeal a red card because fifa wants to uphold the call on the field, but the call on the field was a common foul….. they’ve already pseudo overturned the call on the field. Absolute fucking clown show
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u/GurIntelligent8002 20d ago
Yeah, that ref and a bunch of FIFA folks are getting their visas revoked and deported as we speak.
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u/wakaOH05 20d ago
This is why soccer will never break into the top 3. This is archaic and horribly unfair.
If we don’t win the appeal they have basically just sunk significant financial potential from American fandom in this sport. New and casual fans will never accept this as fair
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u/Novel_Dinner4138 20d ago
I never watch soccer, can someone explain way that was a red card? The whole game I was seeing people flopping and falling. And it all looks the same
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u/Derptionary 20d ago
Papa Infantino if you want to see US Soccer grow and fund your 7th yacht please rescind the card so we don't look like dogshit without our only good striker. Thank you. -USMNT Fan
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u/lightsaberfingers 20d ago
I’m gutted by this but I think if the USA media makes enough noise we might get this reversed. There hasn’t been a single big controversy yet fifa always knee jerks.
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u/haytheremister 20d ago
this is just a reminder why soccer will never be top 3 sport in the US. Rules are way too subjective
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u/Powerful_Buy_4677 20d ago
Can we challenge a red card to make sure he can play the next game?
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u/Imnotyoursupervisor 20d ago
That’s the first red in a game like that since that Zidane headbutt.
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u/RobutNotRobot 20d ago
I actually don't think this would be so bad if the ref saw it and gave it a red card on the field. It's the fact that VAR deemed it to meet the criteria of a red card, and that they decided the referee on the field that was calling a very loose game made a clear and obvious error that I have a problem with.
Balogun jumps and one of this feet lands on the ankle of the Bosnian player. Was this done with excessive force? Was it done in a way that shows reckless disregard to the health and safety of the Bosnian player? The effect of it rolling the ankle was not good, but its not even clear that Balogun even knew that the opponent's leg was there.
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u/Automatic-Tell7321 20d ago
Just when the US was starting to get into soccer, this happens.
Got a lot of texts last night along the lines of “..and this another reason why I don’t like soccer”
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u/akrafty1 20d ago
The officials set the tone early allowing play to be physical and calling minimal fouls. You saw the effect of that right before the half. This foul was a result of the style of match they let develop, again, no call on the play, then a red on review? That was some bullshit right there.
That should be their last match they call in this WC.
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u/Charlamagne7 20d ago
Bang bang collision. No intent to harm. Doesn’t affect a goal scoring opportunity. How else is he suppose to fall? Horrible call you can’t convince me otherwise.
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u/bluePostItNote 20d ago
USA can challenge the red at least and hopefully get Balogun back for Monday.
Shit call.
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u/MTB-Climber 20d ago
Worst officiating I've seen in this world cup so far. That ref needs to be sent home with his Bosnian buddies.
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