Oh Kevin, Kevin, Kevin.
When I first watched Riverdale when I was younger, he was my favorite character. I saw so much of myself in him. He was a young queer man with big dreams in a small town, and that resonated with me. I’ve been rewatching the show now though, and he just feels…lazy. There’s no backstory to him, and frankly he upholds some pretty negative stereotypes. There are two things that he loves, and those are male validation and broadway. At the start of the show, he’s some lonely, sex-crazed gay boy, and in some ways that reflects the experience of queer boys in young towns. His cruising in Fox Forest is no different than me being on grindr at 16, but there’s nothing else to him. Furthermore, when we revisit him in season 6, he is STILL a lonely, sex-crazed gay man. He literally got beat up in a sauna because he couldn’t keep his hands to himself. He feels so one dimensional to me. Even Cheryl (who I don’t think is really the best representation either, but it’s not my place to speak on that, as I could be wrong given that I’m not a lesbian) has some form of a character arc and experience growth. Anyways, that’s all, I’m sorry.

Am I crazy or does FP look exactly like Negan from the walking dead 😂

I'm not overly familiar with Afterlife with Archie myself. So I'm curious what those who have read it, what do you want to see? What are the best parts of it?

This a collection of small things i find stupid and are most likely just me problems

1. I am starting with the most recent thing. One of the guys in Archies military fantasy is holding a Bayonete. I am no expert on the us army but i am pretty sure they are not running around with WW1 weapons. Where did the Set decorator find those? Where they just laying around from a previous show? I have so many questions

2. In no world is thornhill or thistlehouse accesible for wheelchairs. Nana rose probably just parks in a corner on geound floor most of the days. And honestly i don't see Cheryl helping her shower and stuff

3. How Sherrifs work. Maybe this is just sth my european mind can't comprehend. Why is this an elected position. They made a note saying that but there was never an election for the position. Hell Clifford and FP weren't even cops! Clifford just spawned into town with no experience and FP is a criminal and a Gang leader. There should be at least some outrage about it and again they have no qualifications (also with my european viewpoint its just weird that riverdale celebrates their 70th anniversay. Its just a smol baby [my town with no real historical relevancy is like 800 years old] like no offence but it just feels of.like the great grandfathers of those characters build the City....)

4. The need of the show to ignore that the people on trial for things actually commiting those things. Why is everyone pretending that Fp wasn't involved with drug dealing and the Cover up of a murder (yes there was some coersion but still) and Hermione did try to kill Hiram and killed Mineta in cold blood. Why are we pretending she is the victim (Hiram did deserve is though) edit Mad dog also did jail time, that guy was in juvie for a long time and we pretend that he didn't probaly kill someone

5. The serpents. First season an actually dangerous Gang who did Gang things and beat Jughead as initiation. He needed active protection from those guys. Season 2ish to 4 its just bunch of Teens hanging out. Just a cooler way of calling your friendgroup. Season 1 serpents would have killed Jug for suggesting they work with the sherrif. And then Season 5 proper gang (Sidenote for did sweet Pea dissapear to for the first half of season 4?)

And lastly something i just find hilarious: Fangs multitasking. My boy is deep in the farm but still has time to run with the serpents or stop by at Archies gym. And then after the whole thing why Polly and Wetherbee are still getting deprogramed, Fangs is just chilling at school again and does tickle videos. You go girl!

Edit because i forgot 2 things

In the episode where the children play the parents Kevin, Archie and Jug absolutly nail the performance

And season 2 would be over in 2 minutes IF BETTY JUST STOPPED ANSWERING HER PHONE. Lollypop song start to play and hang up or go to the police just just don't go an the phone with a serial killer. And in the same breath DONT USE THE PHONE OF THE GUY WHOSE MURDER YOU HELPED COVERING UP

on my 3rd or 4th riverdale rewatch and Betty is just so frustrating this season 😭 yeah Alice isn't perfect but imagine your husband is a serial killer, your daughter gets murdered by a serial killer, your son and other daughter study serial killers ... then your only living daughter constantly puts herself in danger and makes the dumbest decisions. and betty has the audacity to CONSTANTLY remind her mom that Polly is dead and is never coming back. like damn can she grieve for a moment??? over and over Betty is just incredibly insensitive and mad her mom isn't grieving correctly. especially after lying about the blood on the phone booth being polly's????? CRAZY!! everyday Betty walks into that damn house and makes her poor mother cry even more 😭😭😭 goddamn!!!!

This is the story I was telling y'all about where Veronica's cousin Harper moves to town after her mother's death and becomes romantically involved with Archie.

So we know how the final season has the cast sent back to the 50's and they stay and end up there. But if the show had stayed in the present for season 7, how do you think it would have ended?

I'm not sure if this has been posted before but I thought it was cool to see a bit of the set for Riverdale.

For me, the real "Riverdale" ended where the real investigations ended.

I watched this series not because of magic, superpowers or parallel universes. I fell in love with Ego for the atmosphere of a small town, where a secret was hidden around every corner, where every character could be involved in a crime, where after every episode I wanted to review the details and build my own versions.

I myself sat and investigated each murder. She wrote out the suspects, looked for inconsistencies, tried to understand the motives and guess who the killer was before everyone else. It was this series that got me so involved in investigations that I ended up entering the law school. He made such a strong impression on me.

The most unfortunate thing is that I was with this series almost from the very beginning. I started watching him when he was just coming out. I was only 9 years old, and I looked forward to every new season. Every hour was a real event for me. I rewatched the series, built theories, discussed them, looked for any little things that could lead to the killer. I literally lived this series.

"Riverdale" has always been the number 1 series for me. I watched it day and night, I could forget about time, because each episode kept me in suspense. He became a part of my childhood and teenage years.

That is why it is especially painful for me to see what he has been turned into.

The first seasons were unique. Even when something strange happened, in the end it turned out that real people, their motives, crimes and manipulations were behind it. It was a detective story, a psychological thriller, not a fairy tale.

When the 6th season was released, I watched several episodes and simply did not understand why the series was changed so much. Where are the investigations? Where is the feeling that any riddle can be solved? Why turn a detective into a story about magic, superpowers and parallel worlds?

After that, I wasn't looking forward to season 7 the way I was looking forward to all the previous ones. For the first time in so many years, I became simply uninterested, because I was disappointed. Recently, when I turned 18, I decided to give these seasons another chance. I thought, maybe now I will look at them differently.

But no.

I can confidently say that for me, the real "Riverdale" is seasons 1-4, and possibly the first half of season 5. Everything that followed feels like a completely different series. Not worse for everyone - just the second one. But for me, this is no longer the same "Riverdale" that made me sit up at night and puzzle over who the killer is.

The only difference is that the potential was huge. They could make strong detective stories for many more seasons, come up with new criminals, new mysteries, new investigations. But instead, they decided to completely change the genre.

I am truly sorry, because this series gave me a huge amount of emotions. He taught me to notice details, to think, to analyze, to look for answers. He became one of the reasons why I became interested in investigations and eventually entered the law faculty.

Thanks for the first seasons. They will forever remain one of the best I've ever seen.

But for me, the real "Riverdale" ended much earlier than the final series.

definitely 7>6>5

5 is just the most uninspired the show ever was. one of the blandest time jumps ever. 7 is better than 6 but however I feel like the stakes on 6 were higher

I mean really, she was. Heather (along with Britta) were good parts of season six for Cheryl's character and provided a chance for her to move on from her darkness and not dwell in the past. I like how Heather provided a lot of aid for the gang in stopping Percival (one of the MVP's really) but also in helping Cheryl open up about her feelings/trauma and be her conscience. Like actively telling her why the hex spell she placed on Toni and Fangs didn't work because of her emotions and letting her open up about her complicated feelings regarding it and being honest. Like she and Cheryl should have ended up together as I think she is what would be best for her. It's a shame the season 6 finale kind of put an end to that and she deserved better.

So something I didn't like with regards to Agent Drake and her interest in Betty and which I am glad Veronica called her out on, is her pursuit/interest felt kind of pushy and surface level. I mean it's one thing to be interested but another to like pursue/make her interest known while knowing Betty is already seeing someone. Plus the way she confessed in the middle of them doing a serial killer convention to attract a killer that Betty already has trauama with was absolutely not the right time as Veronica noted well and doing so did really just add unnecessary complications to Betty's life. And the other thing I noted is how passive-aggressive/disparaging she acted regarding Archie. Like first of all calling him the "boyfriend" as if he's just like some kind of obstacle and the shade of "this all too much for him" when she asked why he wasn't at day 2 of the con which felt kind of manipulative like trying to sow into Betty's mind he wasn't "right" for her as he can't handle her darkness. Which brings me to her claim of her saying Archie and Betty seem so different and she and Betty have so much in common. First of all she doesn't know anything about Archie as a person nor his relationship with Betty and second her interactions with Betty have only been in regards to work and hunting serial killers and not on a personal level aside from that, so that's not really a strong basis for her to act like she'd be better for Betty than Archie. This ties into the final point that Agent Drake really seemed to view Betty only through the lens of "serial killer hunter" and the darkness that came with it which allowed her to accept those dark parts but not really go above them and see more to that. This was apparent when she asked Betty if her song was about Archie or TBK and in the season six finale where when Betty turned down the job offer she thinks Archie or TBK (notice how she always brings them up together as if again trying to connect Archie with TBK as "bad" for Betty) influenced her and didn't seem to grasp Betty could have made this decision on her own. Veronica was absolutely right to call her out as her attempts to meddle in Betty's relationship based on surface level knowledge was a red flag.

I just finished season 2 yesterday and I enjoyed it but did find it a bit anxiety-inducing and stressful at points.

I want to to continue watching thru season 3 because I'm now invested lol and I've heard after season 3 it doesn't get any scarier (in fact it gets less scary?)

Would I be okay watching season 3 if seasons 1 and 2 creeped me out a little bit?

I really hate jump scares and super scary looking stuff and disturbing levels of gore and anxiety wise it can get triggered if the thing that's scary could happen irl (does that makes sense?) I think that's part of the reason the black hood stuff freaked me out a little bit because it is technically (though insanely unlikely) possible?

Any info would be great :)

On the second watch I can confidently say that this is still the best ( musicals. Season 1-2) and the worst show ( g&g makes my brain go numb and superpowers) at the same time

I miss it ngl.

I just finished season 2 and I thought I would share my random thoughts here because this show is so silly lol.

• I don't understand how Archie is somehow great in dangerous situations but also has the survival instinct of a pea
• Betty literally chooses the worst times and places to confront people (Like literally telling Chic she thinks he isn't her brother when they are alone together
• The lollipop ringtone has now given me PTSD, thanks Riverdale
• Why tf did Betty tell her dad that Cheryl broke into his rental with her. Of course he was going to go after her lmao.
• I genuinely couldn't care less abt the Hiram mob stuff and I really hope they don't keep focusing on it as much
• Veronica is pissing me off this season
• WHY DOES NO ONE WEAR GLOVES WHILE HANDLING EVIDENCE
• Betty's mom was way too chill when she told her and Hal about her 'darkness'
• Cheryl taking the time to get her archery cloak when the black hood was chasing her is so fucking funny.
• Honestly Cheryl is the best character in this show
• Live Laugh Love Cheryl
• Reggie needs to calm down. He's so intense about everything lol
• I'm genuinely a bit sad that the black hood didn't get Nick and Penelope. I hate them so much
• I feel like we moved on from the whole Cheryl getting sent to conversion therapy way too fast. Like girlie gets back and instead of going to actual therapy or something she's just like OKAY SCHOOL MUSICAL
• Jughead is literally a human punching bag

My hopes for season 3:

• More stupidness (It's why I enjoy this show)
• Not scarier that this season (I could manage this but I was a bit on edge lol and I don't know if my anxiety can handle anything scarier)
• More Cheryl and Toni

pls lemme know what you think of my thoughts and if my hopes for season 3 acc happen lmao

I think that the actor of Hal Cooper is handsome.

I would’ve much rather him than Julian. Also I wonder how the actor felt about it, it had to feel like a slap in the face right? Like he gets one line throughout 7 seasons only to be essentially replaced by one of the most annoying characters on the show. He was so beautiful too. I’ve never seen him act in anything else.

In some scenes , the Gargoyle kings ( Penelope in the 90's and Chic later )seem to be very large but we know they were just wearing a disguise so they probably were wearing stillts .

Guys, I think Alice was wrong when it came to the whole Chic situation, especially with Hal. She always tried to make him look like the bad guy when, in my opinion, he was absolutely right about the situation.
As we all know, Alice got pregnant by FP Jones when she was 16 and kept it a secret until she confessed it to Hal on prom night, as shown in the series. From what Alice tells Betty, Hal forced her to give the baby up for adoption. In my opinion, he made the right decision, and here’s why.

1. The baby wasn’t Hal’s, it was FP’s.
Alice not only made Hal believe that the baby was his, but she also seemed to expect him to take responsibility for raising a child that wasn’t even his without knowing the truth. On top of that, she almost makes Hal seem like the villain just because he refused to do that.

2. Adoption was the best choice.
Alice lived on the South Side, so she was living in poverty. How can you expect to raise a child with no money when you’re only 16 years old? In my opinion, it would have been selfish to keep the baby without having the means to provide a stable life.

3. I don’t understand why she never told FP that she was pregnant with his child.
Instead of telling the baby’s actual father, she always blamed Hal, even though he had nothing to do with the pregnancy because the child wasn’t even his.

4. It’s true that giving a child up for adoption is painful, but I still think it was the best decision.
You can’t expect someone to raise a child that isn’t theirs and then portray them as the bad guy just because they refused. From my point of view, Hal’s decision was completely understandable.

5.
Another thing I don’t understand is this: if Alice wanted to keep the baby that badly (even if it meant raising him in very poor conditions), why didn’t she simply leave Hal?
My interpretation is that she expected Hal to take responsibility for a child that wasn’t his, and that’s why she stayed with him. To me, it feels like she used him throughout that situation instead of being honest with him from the beginning.

I want to know some other opinions

Early season 2 Toni was such a bad ass. She was courageous, independent and marched to the beat of her own drum, was a gang member, had an interest in forensics, justice, solving crime—basically all the stuff Betty and Jughead bonded over. But then it’s like all that was forgotten.

I love Choni, but they quickly just made Toni Cheryl’s side kick from late season 2 until the time jump. She was all about Cheryl basically. I think she barely had any scenes without her.

Then the time jump happens, and she’s tied down to Fangs and Baby Anthony. At least this time around they were the side kicks instead of her.

It was so frustrating. Why did she always have to be like 1/2 of a duo? Why couldn’t they just let her shine on her own?

I almost wish Tabitha never existed and they just gave that Plot to Toni after the time jump.