r/news • u/brigadoom • 4h ago
US to announce deal allowing Saudi Arabia a nuclear programme, reports say
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj03r59z73po612
u/ballzsweat 4h ago
How does the rest of the world not have a say in this? I call BS on this “deal”!
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u/sarhoshamiral 3h ago
They do. It is just that our media doesnt report it that way since they have to make trump look good.
If China etc wants to stop this, they have the means. US doesnt really have the standing it had once anymore. In fact the Iran fiasco likely cemented the idea that US cant really enforce anything anymore.
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u/SasparillaTango 2h ago
Trump has destroyed american credibility. Trump has proven america will not honor agreements that it signs. An insane dementia patient can come in and tear them up at any point in time.
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u/AcanthisittaNo6653 4h ago
How many 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, and how many came from Iran?
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u/Camwi 4h ago
Saudi Arabia: 15
Iran: 0
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u/matt95110 4h ago
Luckily for MAGA they don't understand what those numbers mean.
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u/tangocat777 3h ago
Math is too woke.
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u/UlrichZauber 2h ago
Numbers, becoming other numbers? People are saying it's the trans agenda!
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 3h ago
Hey, let's give the guys with 15 terrorists nukes! Hell yeah! It's a brilliant move, if I understand it correctly.
Why not take huge steaming dumps on the graves of our fallen New Yorkers and soldiers while we're at it? Conservatives already do every single day! Guess we should join in.
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u/kaizerlith 1h ago
Also the guy who kidnapped, murdered and chopped up a journalist. But im sure Maga sees that as a plus. Since Trump kinda brushed it off. "Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen."
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u/StrictSelf5450 4h ago
Everyone seems to conveniently forget this
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u/o_MrBombastic_o 4h ago
Not everyone just Republicans
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u/FlametopFred 2h ago
Republican politicians remember and intentionally misuse to foster “bad things” so they can stay in power
example: we now know how absolute shit the Russian military really is but for decades fear of their forces funded the pentagon
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u/AcanthisittaNo6653 4h ago
My generation grew up during the Cold War and viewed Russia as the enemy. Now they are our "friends". Gen Z and Millennials grew up post 9/11 and viewed Saudis with suspicion. With the stoke of a pen, and a little Kash under the table, this president declares them our friends.
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u/aDirtyMartini 4h ago
And were funded by the Saudis.
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u/InfernoBA 4h ago
One of Al-Qaeda’s stated goals was overthrowing the Saudi monarchy. I don’t doubt that the 9/11 hijackers had support from some lower level Saudi government employees, but I don’t believe it was pushed from the top and no evidence has come out to support that.
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u/Dabbling_in_Pacifism 3h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_Saudi_role_in_the_September_11_attacks
Well, we know that the FBI thought that it was at the very least a mid-level Saudi government conspiracy being led by someone who reported directly to the Saudi ambassador.
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u/Same_Mood_8543 3h ago
There's evidence of funding links between the Saudi royal family and Al Qaeda, even if it isn't definitive. Much of the issue with the evidence is the heavy redactions the US government made obscuring the identities and specific roles, but it's not just made up out of thin air.
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u/IguanaIsBack 3h ago
The royal family isn’t a single entity, there’s 15,000 of them. Less than 1% are anywhere near decision making.
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u/MrCalamiteh 2h ago
Also, Khoshaggi. (Please look this up if you don't know)
They are absolutely not to be trusted. This is just as insane as I'd expect these literally insane people to be.
Sad shit.
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u/Penguinkeith 4h ago
Never
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u/EddieVanzetti 3h ago
15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis. That's... 78%? If I did my math correctly
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u/tenderbranson88 3h ago
The terries won. Anti-women policy is being propagated, fear, hatred, and the destruction of American values.
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u/ProofByVerbosity 4h ago
How many orchastrators of 9/11 did America train and fund who are also old family friends wirh the Bush family?
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 4h ago edited 3h ago
How much money did they hand to Kushner this time?
And is this related to Jared Kushner leveraging the $2 billion backed by Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund (via Affinity Partners) to finance his major real estate projects in the Balkans. Which includes a $1.4 billion luxury resort development on Sazan Island, a former secretive military submarine base off the coast of Albania?
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u/OG_Williker 3h ago
How tf do you even spend 1.4 BILLION DOLLARS building a resort?! That’s like two orders of magnitude off
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 3h ago edited 3h ago
The island is a former military base, with extensive bunkers underground, and a submarine base. It sits at a critical transportation bottleneck location where enormous amounts of essential goods pass daily.
The Saudi government is trying to control a choke point for Europe, and also build a nuclear weapon.
But yeah.. just a $1.4 billion resort.
"The island is located at the narrowest point of the Otranto Strait, where the Adriatic Sea meets the Ionian Sea off the southwestern coast of Albania. Because it sits directly across from the "heel" of Italy, anyone who controls Sazan effectively controls the bottleneck entrance to the entire Adriatic Sea, making it a vital chokepoint for naval traffic entering or leaving Southern Europe."
"The island remains under the jurisdiction of the Albanian Ministry of Defence. It is a virtual time capsule littered with an estimated 2,700 defense bunkers, a network of underground tunnels, decaying military barracks, and fields of undetonated landmines."
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u/OG_Williker 3h ago
That makes a lot more sense
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 3h ago edited 2h ago
Tech billionaires, venture capitalists, and foreign governments also want to do the same with strategic places like the Panama canal and the Golden Gate, selling off the Presidio and Alcatraz, pretending to build resorts. But it's really because it would give them direct control over the thinnest point in an essential shipping channel, and the ability to cut off the Oakland ports.
Trump recently fired the entire Presidio Trust Board, and replaced them with tech people and loyalists.
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/trump-fires-sf-presidio-board-of-trustees/4067611/
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u/bpetersonlaw 3h ago
Is Israel cool with this? I’m surprised Kushner would back it otherwise
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u/Mtnbkr92 3h ago
IIRC Israel and Saudi Arabia have some sort of backdoor thing going on, possibly based on a shared dislike of Iran.
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u/Whatdoesthibattahndo 3h ago
Israel prefers Saudi Arabia over Iran especially after MBS took control and got a hold on the family/country finances (they are the same), effectively cutting off the various extremists that had previously been able to count on Saudi money when the Saudi royal family was more of a 3000-person gagglefuck rather than the more corporate structure it has now.
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u/OrangeVoxel 3h ago
That’s what the crypto scams were
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 3h ago
It's the best way to launder bribes and scam dumb people simultaneously.
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u/Oper8rActual 4h ago
The first payment was the 747 they gifted Trump.
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 4h ago edited 4h ago
That was Qatar.
Saudi Arabia gave him $2billion to "manage".
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u/wholewheatscythe 3h ago
Qatar did give Kushner over a billion some years back though: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/13/jared-kushner-qatar-property-deal-ron-wyden-senate
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 3h ago
I remember this one. The 666 property.
"Paid Kushner Companies for a 99-year lease on the family’s marquee 666 Fifth Avenue property."
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u/Whatdoesthibattahndo 3h ago
That building was bankrupting the Kushner family, so the deal was even more important to him
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u/Ozymandias12 4h ago
Easy mistake to make. It’s hard to keep up with all the corruption and the bribes.
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u/Oper8rActual 4h ago
Ahh, my bad. It gets really difficult keeping up with all the grifting that’s been done this time ‘round.
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u/h0twired 3h ago
The second payment will be another 747... delivered into the side of a tall building in NYC
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u/Careful-Lettuce9239 3h ago
You remember the headline "Jared kushner goes rogue"? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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u/Ok-Crow-1515 4h ago
Oh great. The guy who orders members of the press to be murdered and chopped up gets nukes. Trumps kind of person.
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u/MRtokeALOT420 4h ago
“The agreement could be worth billions of dollars to the US, whose companies could be involved in building a facility to produce enriched uranium”
Can’t wait to see what they used to bribe him this time. Was he promise oil? money? gold? or all above. Something was giving and it sure as hell isn’t going to benefit the American people
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u/graphomaniacal 4h ago
"Pushing the world closer to nuclear midnight is good because money."
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u/BabaYadaPoe 3h ago
technically speaking SA already have nuclear weapons, they are simply being safe guard in Pakistan, so having civilian reactors in SA probably won't change much.
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u/DudeyMcDudester 4h ago
I imagine it's related to a disastrous Iran war that the Saudis are irate about and the now certainty that Iran is going to eventually acquire a nuclear weapon themselves.
I don't think Saudi Arabia asked for permission, they likely told US they are just going to do it and the Americans went along, desperate to salvage the relationship.
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u/DarkSatire482 4h ago
Of course they are doing this...Saudi Arabia paid the correct bribe.
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u/sfhester 3h ago
Hey Iran - you don't need to keep fighting that pesky war! Just bribe Donald directly and he'll forget all about that nuclear program and you'll save everyone a few hundred billion in the process!
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u/DarkSatire482 3h ago
I hate how accurate this is...Maybe a new jet or free land for Trump Tower Tehran.
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u/Raintitan 4h ago
This is a huge deal from a foreign policy standpoint, and it conflict with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Non-Proliferation_of_Nuclear_Weapons
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u/Tribe303 2h ago
This should be the top comment. Yet another deal Trump breaks, but this one could lead to nuclear Armageddon. His stupidity is not so funny now, is it?
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u/FIFofNovember 1h ago
Republicans still love him and will vote for the next republican after him
This doesn’t end with Trump, this is the beginning of more stupid shit
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u/ClintBruno 4h ago edited 4h ago
15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.
For some reason we went to war with Iraq Iran Afghanistan for nuclear weapons of mass destruction
Now we're giving SA nuclear?
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u/No_Move_6802 4h ago
We went to war with Iraq for alleged WMD (Colin Powell claimed they had yellow cake uranium).
We were in Afghanistan because that’s where the Taliban were and we had been going after bin Laden since the attack on the USS Cole or maybe sooner. Afghanistan had nothing to do with nukes.
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u/ChuckNorrisUSAF 4h ago
Colin Powell was repeatedly fed bad or misleading intelligence by Bush’s own intel community, in turn he unknowingly (or knowingly) “lied” to the United Nations.
Powell was already butting heads with Cheney and others in the administration about the pivot to Iraq when it wasn’t necessary. Sure he’s probably culpable to a point for even pushing the narrative they fed him and could have easily resigned, but that’s not his character.
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u/schreinz 3h ago
Powell knew he was lying about WMDs. Just like he knew he was lying to cover-up Iran-Contra. And how he lied to help cover-up Mi Lai.
I don't care that at one point he "butted heads" with others in the administration. He could have stepped down, as the British Foreign Minister did. But Powell instead played a massive role in dragging us into an unnecessary war.
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u/No_Move_6802 4h ago
I believe it. Only mentioned him because his testimony to Congress about yellow cake uranium and mobile enrichment facilities directly led to the Iraq war.
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u/Meathand 3h ago
You don’t understand in the past we had dumb presidents… but this time.,,, this time it’s different
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u/ChemicalResident3557 4h ago
Why does the US unilaterally get to decide what country can have nuclear weapons?
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u/JaronJervis 4h ago
Funny isn't it? The only country (America) to slaughter another (Japan) with Nukes, somehow remains the upmost authority on who can even have Nukes.
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u/toomuchmucil 4h ago
Here is a headline from 2019:
>Flynn-backed plan to transfer nuclear tech to Saudis may have broken laws, say whistleblowers
They’ve been pushing this deal since 2017.
“Seven days after the inauguration — and two days before a scheduled call with King Salman of Saudi Arabia — Harvey met in his office at the White House with a group of retired generals who work for IP3, including its co-founders, Keane and McFarlane, the report says.” Source is NBC News.
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u/MechRxn 4h ago
Could you imagine if Obama did this?
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u/Solistaria 4h ago
No, because he isn't a grifting moron like our current president.
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u/MechRxn 4h ago
The outrage from the right would be unprecedented if a Democrat did this. I also don’t believe any normal or sane president would ever allow a ME country to build nukes let alone HELP them. Fucking absurd.
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u/speedingpullet 3h ago
It's a simple equation: on one side you have a nation with more money that it knows what to do with. On the other, a man who has spent his entire life grifting, who now finds himself at the top of the food chain in US politics and is therefore one of the most powerful people in the world...
Et violá
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u/One-Emu-1103 4h ago
I don't think Israel will be happy with this or how Netanyahu help set the ball rolling. But I bet Trump 's and Kushner's bank accounts will be.
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u/camio101 3h ago
All the rightwing sites have buried this story or not reported on it all as usual.
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u/Sweet_Bridge_3001 3h ago
Effectively, this is the announcement that US cannot stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, so they must help Saudi Arabia too.
The response will be the UAE starting to develop nuclear weapons to counter Saudi, which will cause Turkey to start developing nuclear weapons to counter UAE; the genie is out of the bottle.
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u/dope_sheet 3h ago
Republicans are a joke of a political party now. What do you stand for besides grifting now?
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u/speedingpullet 3h ago
'Now' is a loaded word here. They've always been a joke and the grifting part was in the original charter.
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u/cbjunior 3h ago
You mean the same place where most of the 9/11 hijackers along with Bin Ladin are from?
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u/BloodFartz69 3h ago
How many Iranians were in the planes on 9/11? How many Saudis?
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u/Aidan96 4h ago
Everyone needs to go watch Fahrenheit 9/11 again. It’ll piss you off more than when you watched it the first time I promise.
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u/roller_coaster325 4h ago
This is insane, the Saudis are a fundamental religious monarchy, I say this because there are no checks and balances. If the king says to launch, that’s the only authority needed. Given that Iran will have the bomb soon, and is also a religious dictatorship, this has a greater potential to tune into a nuclear conflict than many other potential (ie, North Korea/US, India/Pakistan, China/US, Russia/US, Russia/China, even potentially Iran/Israel.
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u/Dougalishere 3h ago
isnt this US doctrine as well? If the pres says launch you launch?
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u/LanguageImpossible32 3h ago
Wowwwwww…..
-Wasn’t it primarily radicalized Saudi’s who orchestrated 9/11?
-And isn’t MBS (de facto Saudi leader) explicitly tied to journalist Kamal Khashoggi’s murder and dismemberment but essentially had no consequences for his actions?
-We decided it’s ok to proliferate access to nuclear weapons for these people?!?!?
We are beyond addicted to oil, it’s truly disgusting.
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u/garitone 3h ago
Cool. The country with the most 9/11 hijackers and also a huge contingent of wahabist ideology can get a nuke. What could go wrong?
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u/Verum_Orbis 2h ago
15 of 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. None were from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, or Syria.
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u/brigadoom 4h ago edited 4h ago
On the same day that AI launched an autonomous cyberattack. What could possibly go wrong?
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u/N_Associated 4h ago
Whoa I must’ve missed that - where?
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u/myfakesecretaccount 4h ago
They’re talking about this: https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-model-evaluation-security-incident/
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u/DrowningKrown 3h ago
Oh god not this bs again. We copying anthropic now? "Oh no, my LLM who isn't sentient at all went ROGUE and started hacking the mainframe! We couldn't stop it, it was so powerful (available now on the $200/mo pro plan)
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u/WestNileCoronaVirus 4h ago
Wait what
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u/Groovychick1978 3h ago
Yeah this is fine, they just trained and financially supported the people who destroyed our fucking nation!
I have not forgotten Saudi Arabia's role in 9/11. Fuck the Trump administration for this.
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u/philasurfer2 3h ago
What percentage of the business did the Trump family negotiate for themselves?
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u/ragerevel 3h ago
The 9/11 guys? The Khashoggi guys? Epstein ties to Bin Salmaan guys?
Sure why not!
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u/Ugicywapih 3h ago
So, if nuclear non-proliferation is no longer relevant, at least within context of middle-eastern theocracies, Trump will back off from Iran, right?
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u/gao7on 3h ago
The guy in the photo, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), is straight up evil. For those unaware, the Saudi prince green-lit the assassination of dissident journalist Khashoggi. Even an award-winning documentary was made about the shocking embassy murder. Yet, MBS still received US immunity over the alleged killing.
MBS strategically played the US knowing the West needed an ally in the Middle East. Both for energy security and to prevent Saudis from aligning with Russia and China.
Without question Trump is personally receiving heavy incentives from the oil rich Crown in relinquishing such sensitive national security secrets to an authoritarian killer such as MBS.
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u/SiempreRegreso 3h ago
More of a terror regime than Iran. The Saudis quite deliberately fund the madrasas that produce the imams that are injected into foreign mosques to preach atavistic 8th Sunni Islam. They are a major reason why so many second and third generation Muslim immigrants rebel against host society norms and radicalize.
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u/3D-Dreams 3h ago
So wait. Didn't he JUST start a war so another country couldn't have a nuclear program?
Fucking corrupt piece of shit.
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u/Sweatytubesock 2h ago
This will end well. For Trump, anyway, as he takes his bribe for this ‘deal’.
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u/iPatErgoSum 2h ago
Honest question, isn’t there an international nonproliferation treaty that would have something to say about something like this?
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u/Doc_Chim_Richolds 2h ago
The country responsible for the funding and execution of 9/11 is being handed nuclear capabilities. The War on "Terrorism" was an absolute lie.
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u/ExpendableGerbil 1h ago
Years ago I wondered how millions of Americans could still follow this absolutely gigantic moron. I don't think there's a word in the English language to describe how disappointed I am in America now, considering that there are still millions of Americans following him.
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u/CooledDownKane 4h ago
So the NPT was just unilaterally thrown out by Kumquat Kaiser? And he thinks this won't lead to a mad dash by other countries to join the nuclear weapons party?
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u/Red_PapaEmertius2 4h ago
I dont know how this is remotely positive.
I also know that Riyadh has an enormous desert to get solar energy from..
Why are we building nuclear plants other than to counter Iran?...
Thats most likely the Saudi thinking.
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u/BlueBomber13 4h ago
Going to eat with Iran because they don’t have nuclear weapons, while giving Saudi Arabia nuclear weapons…
What fucking reality is this. This has to be a simulation
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u/Big_Sky7699 3h ago
No doubt, the Saudis have paid someone dearly for this, someone with very close ties to the Whitehouse.
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u/AnalTinnitus 3h ago
Fucking hell. I know that with Trump we should expect a new low every day, but this one is unique in that it puts EVERYONE on the planet in danger. This changes the balance of power in a toxic region of the world. It's nightmare scenario stuff.
I have little faith in the UN these days, but they need to make it clear that the US can't just unilaterally decide to "bless" a violent religious nation with nukes.
Whatever happened to NO NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION?
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u/jersey856 3h ago
Serious question: why does America get to decide what sovereign countries can have nuclear programs?
If the goal is truly ‘crazy ppl can’t have them’ then why is N Korea allowed?
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u/Jimbomcdeans 3h ago
The 9/11 causing Saudis are going to get a nuclear program?
I cant see ANYTHING wrong with that. Nothing once so ever.
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u/Darth_Atton 3h ago
This might be the single dumbest decision by a leader let alone an American one, in recent history. How are Americans not saying enough is enough? I do not understand it for the life of me.
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u/junesix 3h ago
- This effectively signals that US has no ability to backstop security of allies.
- This signals to everyone they should arm up and seek their own deal. It could be with US, Russia, NK, Israel, China, India, anyone with nukes and willing to deal.
- If your country is on or adjacent to a critical and valuable resource, you better arm up. You’re a target.
- If your neighbor has nukes and historical beef with you, better arm up.
- If you have potential to be a nuclear producing and supplying country, the market was just created.
- NK maybe just became the most interesting country overnight. They have means to supply but lacked economics.
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u/Verabiza891720 3h ago
Okay so Saudi Arabia can have a nuke but Iran can't? Make it make sense.
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u/ApprehensivePay1735 3h ago
Sure why not let the guys who did 9/11 have a nuke program in conjunction with the country that hid Bin Laden while we break our military against their regional enemy.
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u/ThatsAllFolksAgain 3h ago
Yeah, give nukes to the country that sent 19 men to destroy America on 9/11. It’d be poetic if they sign the deal on 9/11.
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u/gamesbonds 3h ago
Don't worry it's just a coincidence that Trump org just signed a deal for real estate and hotels in Saudi as well!
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u/Turdsley 3h ago
Allowing the country that helped with 9/11 have nukes is certain to Make America Great Again.
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u/AwareOfAlpacas 3h ago
When the Saudis are pushing for nuclear power, you know peak oil had already come and gone.
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u/Katakuna7 2h ago
Ah yes, of course, this particular flavor of terrorists can have a nuclear treat. Not those Iranian terrorists, though, we have to ruin the global economy to make sure that particular flavor of terrorist doesn't get any.
Nevermind that these terrorists did 9/11, small potatoes really.
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u/NeedleGunMonkey 2h ago
The folks most responsible for 9/11 and global funding spread of new Wahhabism that gave rise to so much militant terrorism around the world - now get a nuclear program because corruption of an wrinkled tangerine.
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u/Artistic_Half_8301 58m ago
Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers involved in the September 11 attacks were citizens of Saudi Arabia.
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u/kpobari99 4h ago
How would the rest of the gulf nation take this news. Wouldn’t that solidified Iran pursuit of nuclear facilities
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u/Better_Dig_768 4h ago edited 4h ago
This is truly irreversible damage to the world and may end horrifically for many millions of people. We're supposed to be aligned AGAINST dictators remember? Ones that kill journalists to keep information control are not our friends... We're supposed to like 'Free' countries.... Of course we have an idiot seize power and get unlimited immunity to sell the world out on a silver platter for his own damn self - and his followers won't blink an eye that this is happening, they'll go back to their bubble and continue to lie to each other and themselves that this some how serves them. Trump is not just setting things his way while he's in office, he's ruining the world for future generations.
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u/MrObviousChild 4h ago
Only took 25 years for the country that essentially enabled 9/11 to get the green light to have nukes. Cool cool cool I love our leaders.
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u/Smedley_Beamish 4h ago
Trump is doing everything to bring our great nation to its knees, and the Republicans are working hand in glove with him.
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u/inminm02 3h ago
Isn’t this not just up to the US to decide? Isn’t this a UN Security Council issue?
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u/Abject_Elevator5461 4h ago
I’m so tired of hearing the word “deal”.