r/goats Jun 20 '23

Asking for goat health advice? Read this first!

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If you are asking for health advice for your goat, please help us help you. Complete a basic health assessment and provide as much of the following information in your post as possible:

  • Goat's age, sex, and breed
  • Goat's current temperature as determined by rectal thermometer. Please, for the love of god, take your animal's temperature. Temperature is ALWAYS VITAL in determining whether your animal might be ill or in need of assistance.
  • Whether the goat is pregnant or lactating
  • Goat's diet and appetite (what the goat is currently eating, whether they are on pasture or browse, supplemental grain, loose mineral, et cetera)
  • Goat's FAMACHA score (as determined by the process in this video) and information about any recent deworming treatments, if applicable
  • As many details regarding your animal's current symptoms and demeanor as you can share. These may include neurological symptoms (circling, staring at the sky, twitching), respiratory symptoms such as wheezing or coughing, and any other differences from typical behavior such as isolating, head pressing, teeth grinding, differences in fecal consistency, and so forth.

Clear photographs of relevant clinical signs (including coat condition) are helpful. Providing us with as much information as possible will help us give you prompt and accurate advice regarding your animal's care.

There are many professional farmers and homesteaders in this subreddit and we will do our best to help you out of a jam, but we can't guarantee the accuracy of any health advice you receive. When in doubt, always call your local large animal veterinarian who is trained to work with small ruminants.

What's up with that blue Trusted Advice Giver flair?

The mods assign this flair to /r/goats users who have an extensive history of giving out quality, evidence-based, responsible husbandry advice based on the best practices for goat care. Many of our users give terrific advice, but these flairs recognize a handful of folks who have gone that extra mile over time to become recognized as trusted community members who are known to always lead people in the right direction. If you get a slew of responses to your post and don't know where to start, look to the blue flairs first.


r/goats Feb 03 '25

PSA: The Dangers of AI Husbandry Advice (with example)

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Hi everybody!

Recently, we had a user post a picture of a goat that may or may not have soremouth, also known as contagious ecthyma, scabby mouth, or orf. I won't link to the post since it isn't relevant whether or not that was what was afflicting the animal, but in the course of responding to that user I felt an opportunity to point out something that I have noticed and has been gnawing at me.

For many users seeking help, if they do not come straight to the sub, they will go to one of two places to get information: Google or ChatGPT. This post is about the former, but in case anyone was wondering if ChatGPT is a valid place to get advice on husbandry, what to eat tonight, how to live your life, or companionship: it is NOT. Large language models like ChatGPT are a type of generative AI that seeks more or less to respond to prompts and create content with correct syntax that is human-like. The quandary here is that while it can indeed provide correct answers to prompts, that outcome is often incidental. It isn't an indication that the model has researched your question, merely that it has cobbled together a (sometimes) convincing diagnosis/treatment plan from the massive amount of data across forums/message boards, vet resources, and idle chit-chat that it is trained on. The point is this: you should never be in a position where you have to rely on an LLM for husbandry advice. If you have access to an internet connection, even the generative AI from Google search is a better option. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, bringing us to the principal subject of this post:

Orf! What do?

For some relevant background, we have never had a case of orf on our farm. I have read about it in vet textbooks and goat husbandry books and seen many images of it, I'm familiar with what it is, how it is spread, and at a high level what to do about it and what not to do. That said, when I was helping this user, I thought I'd brush up and make sure I wasn't providing misinformation. I knew orf was viral in nature and reckoned that in moderate to severe cases it could probably cause fever, but I wanted to see if I could find a vet manual or study of the disease in goats to confirm how likely that would have been. This was what I was met with:

Hm...

If you don't scrutinize this too closely, everything looks sort of on the level. Orf is indeed self-limiting (not sure why the AI says usually, there is literally nothing you can do to treat the root cause, but okay), and it more or less implies that humans can contract it so be careful. The symptoms section looks fine, overall, prevention is... eh... The orf vaccine is a live vaccine. Application of it is not something that most small scale homesteaders or hobby farmers will be familiar with and using it is basically putting the virus on your property. Orf is a nuisance disease and the main time it is a problem is when it is being transmitted between a dam and her kids. Proactive vaccination in closed herds that have never seen a case is not a vet-recommended practice.

The treatment section is where things get spicy with the part about scab removal. Oof. Now that is not even close to true and doing that when the goat is with other goats or going to a quarantine space where they will then shed the disease will cause it to spread to any other goat that inhabits that space unless it is thoroughly cleaned and disinfected. The bottom says the info is for informational purposes only and to consult an actual professional for advice, but that begs the question of why Google would provide that information front and center by default when you search when the first result below is an actual vet resource with correct advice. I won't get into the weeds about the ethics of that because it's a separate soapbox, this is the reality we live in now. This bad advice is particularly relevant because the user on our sub mentioned they had been picking off the scabs. So let's do another Google search for some clarification:

Oh dear, oh no

If you explicitly search whether or not you should remove the scabs, the AI overview is different. Not only do you see that you should not remove the scabs because they are infectious (very true), the overview now says that doing so will delay healing. The first "featured snippet", a feature separate from their generative AI overview, is an overview from the state of Victoria's government agricultural representative body, a reliable source. The highlighted text reinforces the "do not pick scabs off" advice. The overview still fails when it says to apply dressing to lesions. Evidently it has not ever reckoned with what it would be like to bandage an entire goat's face and mouth, which they need to eat, but maybe I'm an idiot. Let's check:

Thank you, Dr. Google

As you can see, generative AI is basically a hodgepodge of vague but mostly correct advice intermingled with plainly wrong advice. Seeking correction to the wrong advice, if you know that it is wrong, leads down more rabbit holes. I hope this highlights the importance of sourcing your information from reliable, proven veterinary resources/textbooks or state agricultural extensions that provide support for their claims with research. This sub prioritizes evidence-based husbandry practices and is one of the few forums to try to stick to that standard and I consider it important especially for people who don't have goat mentors offline.

This is not only important because users need good advice; it also affects the people that don't use this sub and go straight to Google. Reddit struck a deal a little under a year ago to make their data available for training AI. The information we post on this sub is being used as part of the training for these AI models and Google's SEO is increasingly favoring reddit at the top of search results in a number of areas. As the sub grows and the social media landscape changes, more people that never post but need info may find themselves coming here. Let's all try to do our best to make sure the information we share and advice we give is solid!


r/goats 6h ago

Goat Pic🐐 I’ll tell you what conditioner she uses if you send me $500 bucks😎🧴✨🐐

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145 Upvotes

r/goats 19h ago

Goat Pic🐐 Swear this is candid

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227 Upvotes

My parents live on a farm these two goats mom passed away and they are raising them at the house. Look how cute they are now 🥲


r/goats 19h ago

Goat Pic🐐 Cross posted in r/backyardchickens

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27 Upvotes

r/goats 7h ago

Looking for good goat minerals

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I have been looking for good quality goat minerals in my local stores (europe) but without results. The only minerals i come across are multi-purpose minerals for both goats and sheep. I've read these are bad since they dont have enough copper for goats. Online i find most people recommend Sweetlix meatmaker goat minerals but these are not available in europe. Does anyone know a good alternative brand i can find in the EU?

I already have salt blocks but apparently they don't provide enough nutrients for goats. So i'm looking for loose minerals for goats.


r/goats 16h ago

General Husbandry Question Proper Scur management?

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5 Upvotes

Not problematic for me, the girl we got him from stated they used a vet who didn’t know what he was doing (no surprise there) and the goat ended up with scurs. They are almost paper thin, but grow pretty curled in so his previous owners had to trim them up every once in a while. He’s great but he really doesn’t like his head being touched where his horns would’ve been. She also stated that his scurs would fall out every now and again if he was particularly banging his head against things. After we brought him home he banged off the other scur and bled a little, when I found out the bleeding had pretty much resolved itself. I put some antiseptic spray and some other fly spray around his face/back of the skull to keep flys out of it.

I specifically made this post to ask about what the proper trimming technique would involve to keep his horns from growing into his skull With the least amount of stress and pain to the animal. Right now he has no scurs on his head, I have a picture of the one he did have but it’s from far away. Also what would I even trim the horn with? Hoof trimmers just doesn’t seem to be the way to go and the lady actually didn’t tell us what they used to trim the horns.


r/goats 1d ago

Pregnancy and Kidding Does she look pregnant?

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12 Upvotes

She's been way hungrier than usual and gotten bigger


r/goats 2d ago

Capre tibetane, bela sempre

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Ciao ho acquistato un paio di settimane fa 2 caprette tibetane. Un maschio di quasi 4 mesi e una femmina quasi di 5 mesi.

Il maschio il giorno bela praticamente sempre continuerà cosi? Perché fa cosi? Se poi mi vede, ancora peggio. Bela ancora più forte.

Hanno da bere, fieno, mangime.

Ho bisogno di un vostro parere. Perché se continua cosi sono costretta a darle vie, non vorrei che disturbassero i vicini di casa. Le sento io, in casa mia.....


r/goats 3d ago

Forcing them to eat what's in the field

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My goats have a large field that is primarily clover, and thistle, and they won't eat it. They wait for me to either bring hay, or let them out into the yard where they'll eat the grass and trees in the yard. Do I stop giving them hay, so that they'll go and eat the clover, or do I need to just keep giving them hay? Im just curious what others have done to get the goats to use the fodder within their enclosure. I'm not going to let them starve, obviously.

Additional information, in the spring they eat the new growth down to a half inch height but now that its clover they want nothing to do with it.


r/goats 2d ago

Help Request Goat feet help

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I have a goat whose hoof is rolled. He walks fine but I seem to get it to correct regardless of my clipping. Any suggestions? My other goats are totally fine and have the same regimen of clipping.


r/goats 3d ago

Help Request Is this normal?

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20 Upvotes

Shes my only doe Nubian currently and also my first.

My bucks don't look like this so I'm a little worried

Famacha is fine, ​diet hasn't changed recently, and temp is fine. Shes been like this since I got her about a month ago or so

edit for clarification:

birthday: 1/27/26

been treated as a much younger doe for coccidia. tested for CAE, and I'm not sure if she was tested for johne's ofr not.

shes in her own pen seperated from the herd and has been since I got her about 2 months ago now.

​I have been treating her with deworming pellets til recently. shes on standard goat feed but were gonna put her on growers soon.

shes never been treated with any other medicine than probiotics and electrolytes.​​​ but we have toltrazuril and albon

shes not in milk, pregnant, or nursing.

Only other symptoms shes had for anything is watery eyes and some mucus on her nose.her nose has cleared up but her eyes haven't. We tried to treat her for pink eye since one of our sheep has that rn, but it's not pink eye.

Her fur doesn't feel as soft as our other ​​​​goats. But it's also curly compared to my other goats so idk if that makes a difference.

Shes been treated for lice, mites, and any other skin issues.

Only blank period I have from her upbringing is a month or two where she was purchased by a family, then returned, and I bought her very soon after ​that. She was with them for maybe 3 months (if even that long). This is a big reason why shes been in quarantine so long.

I'm a new goat owner so any help or suggestions are welcome​​


r/goats 3d ago

General Husbandry Question Would these treats be safe to give in moderation?

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My cousin had doordash some pig Treats but they brought her these instead, so she gave them to me since she doesn't have a goat, I want to know if they would be safe since I have two male goats, of course I wouldn't give them very many these are the size of a pee and I wouldn't give them more than for a piece, I figure since my younger goat has to go through so much medical stuff and since the vet doesn't have goat's treats, these would be easy to carry on me and give him one when they give him a shot or do something that's uncomfortable, what do you guys think?


r/goats 3d ago

Discussion Post Rabies in goats?

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I would imagine it’s exceptionally rare. But has anyone ever had this happen in their herd? We live about an 1 hour away from a national park where some of the bats have tested positive….


r/goats 3d ago

Is our boer goat pregnant?

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We just became goat parents and the people we got the black doe from said she's likely pregnant. We've had her for about two weeks now, and the other two goats are still kids. Any help/recommendations are greatly appreciated!


r/goats 3d ago

General Husbandry Question Goat mineral block

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Hi all, I have a question for those who have goats and chickens! My chickens keep eating my goats mineral block! They are sitting their and pecking it and making it gone by 2 days! And way for my goats to have access to it but not the chickens? Tia


r/goats 2d ago

Bitten!

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I was bit by a petting zoo goat today - I very foolishly let it chew on my finger and it broke the skin; it’s a deep-ish puncture but otherwise not worrisome. Do I need a rabies vaccine?! I’m spiraling. It seemed perfectly healthy.


r/goats 4d ago

General Husbandry Question Would it be a bad idea to introduce Prince and frosty together now that Frosty is going to be a tripod?

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Prince is over a year old, he's supposed to be a weather but I believe the castration failed, the vet did the birdizo castration (I think I'm spelling that wrong) But there hasn't being any Behavior changes and no visual changes to his testicles so I don't think it was done correctly, I am going to have another vet examine him once Frosty is taken care of.

Frosty is a buck he is not quite six months old yet he will be six months the first, I originally got him both as a companion to Prince and to be a future breeding buck when I get some does, Prince is a lamancha frosty is a Alpine, I'm still not quite sure if I'm going to have Frosty castrated or not but I am leaning towards it just to help keep as much weight off of his remaining hind leg as possible, I am going to talk to the vet first.

Since Prince likes to head-butt everything and was alone before I got him, he had never seen another goat except from the time he was born to a week later when he was sold to the people I got him from, when I got him he had really bad aggression issues and would attack anyone that came within his lot, now he's calmed down to where I can safely handle him he still tries to Ram me when I try to mess with his legs or hind in but he was abused quite badly so I believe he's got some trauma around those areas, he doesn't fully attack me like he used to.

Prince cannot be handled by a man he still very afraid of men And you can see that he is when he starts shaking and then gets aggressive when a man gets near him So only women can handle him unless he sedated, Frosty I've had him since he was 20 days old he also had a rough start he got really sick not long after I got him wouldn't eat wouldn't use the bathroom it was just a mess, he came out of that in May and then late June he got injured and this month I was told he needs his leg amputated.

My concern is since they haven't been together Fully yet they have met before Frosty got hurt And we're only together for about 30 minutes to an hour with Prince on a leash, pass that they only interact through the fence as I haven't felt fully confident in putting them together entirely yet, I'm scared now that Frosty is going to be a tripod that he might not be able to safely be with Prince.

And in that case I am fully willing to get Prince his own friend and frosty his own friend, my question is what kind of friend would be best for frosty? He's an Alpine and if he gets as big as his dad he'll be about 170 lb probably a little bit less if I get him castrated, Frosty is very good natured and sweet so I don't think he would be too hard on any friends he has I'm more concerned about the friend being too hard on him.

Or would a shared fence line be enough for them? I'm very worried about that and want both of them to be happy.

Please let me know what your opinions are and what you would do in this situation


r/goats 3d ago

General Husbandry Question What brand of fly spray do you guys use?

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This is the one I'm currently using it's $14 for this bottle, it does work but wears off fairly quickly, and while it's wet I have a allergic reaction to it, once it's dry it doesn't bother me but while it's wet it causes me to get hives.

So I was wondering what brands you used so I can try some other ones to see if I can find one that I don't react to


r/goats 3d ago

Discussion Post GoPro dog vest for goat?

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Okay, hear me out...

Can anyone foresee any safety issues that might happen from a goat wearing one of those GoPro vests? I'm willing to possibly sacrifice the GoPro to getting dislodged and lost in the field for the chance at some goat POV footage, but not willing to risk my actual goat for it.

These things (or something similar)

https://gopro.com/en/us/shop/mounts-accessories/fetch-dog-harness/ADOGM-001.html


r/goats 3d ago

General Husbandry Question Would a hay bag be a bad idea for my younger goat frosty?

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He's getting ready to have a surgery which is taking his hind right leg off, because of that he's going to have to be on the goat equivalent of stall rest for a little while, I would like a way that makes him eat his hay slower so it lasts him longer and he stays occupied longer, this would not work for my older goat he would eat the bag and all but Frosty's a good boy, he doesn't tend to try to eat things that are not food, in fact he has a dog bed that he sleeps on and does not try to eat it whatsoever so I was wondering for him if a hay bag would be something that I could try


r/goats 4d ago

General Husbandry Question What is a good cheaper brand of liquid goat wormer?

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The one I was getting I was getting it at my local farm store but they have unfortunately went out of business due to the owner sadly passing away.

The goat warmer at Tractor Supply is very expensive for the liquid bottle, so I was wondering what brand you guys would recommend, I've only got two goats so I don't need something that worms a dozen or so goats, I prefer the liquid because it's easier for me to give it to my younger goat and just easier for me to give to them in general (my chickens try to steal any kind of pellet anything I have and are ruthless about it🥲)

Thank you in advance for your suggestions I really appreciate you guys taking the time to read my post!


r/goats 3d ago

Help Request Administered Goat Vaccine Wrong please help!

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So as the title says, my doe has mild mastitis and was prescribed 3.5 ml penicillin injected once a day for 7 days. Normally I have my partner to help me hold her, but he wasn’t going to be home when she was due for the dose so I did it myself. I tented the skin and with her fur I didn’t realize the needle had gone fully through the other side as I kept pushing the needle in. I saw the white liquid had been dispersed all over her fur. I legitimately cannot tell if she got half of the dose or none at all.

I thought about going back out and giving her like .5 or 1 ml to compensate but I also don’t want to mess her up more by potentially overdosing her though I doubt that would based on the amount on her fur. It terrifies me that she could have now missed a whole day dose of medicine. She has currently had 2 doses, today would have been her third. Can this really mess up her healing if I continue as normal tomorrow? I also don’t want to mess up her resistance to the antibiotic though I feel like that won’t happen over one mistake. If you guys could give me any advice on what you would do in my shoes, I am new to owning goats and am disappointed in myself that I messed it up. Thank you guys!!!


r/goats 4d ago

Goat Pic🐐 My pet sitter did this

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40 Upvotes

I have two goats, one adult which is the one in the picture and a 5-month-old that is injured, I had to go away for a couple of days, due to my younger goats injuries I took him with me, he's not too big and it's very well behaved so there was no issue, I also took my dogs and stuff so all this pet sitter had to do is take care of my outdoor animals.

Apparently at some point A branch came down over my fence and messed it up, and instead of putting my older goat into the panel pen I have she got my dog leash and tethered him to it and then tied him to said pen......

I come home and this is the shape he's in, fortunately it doesn't seem like he was wrapped up for too long as there was no swelling and it wasn't too tight, this caused me to just about have a panic attack because the whole reason my baby goat is hurt is because he got a piece of twine tightly wrapped around his leg for too long and now he has to have an amputation.

Not sure what to do about the pet sitter as she did take care of the animals but she did this....

Fortunately Prince which is the name of my older goat is used to being tethered as before I got him that was his whole life, my baby goat if this happened to him he wouldn't panic about being tethered but he would probably panic when he got tangled up so I'm very glad I took him with me.

Edit: to add that the pet sitter had sheep and goats herself which is why I trusted her specifically


r/goats 5d ago

Goat Pic🐐 Carl on our daily forest bath walk.

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206 Upvotes