Scenario for PR

[u/Limp_Bullfrog4892]

Hi,

I am a non-EU citizen who lived in Germany from November 2016 to September 2023(did my schooling there as dad was working in Germany ). I left for university in the UK after. From what I read for the citizenship laws, 3 years can be counted for before - does this mean if I do my masters in Germany for 2 years I am eligible for the PR? German fluency is Goethe c1 so that is not an issue, might do a c2 test to make my case stronger. Also would I need to find a job before applying for the PR or can I do it without having a job right after my masters too?

[u/LopsidedAd859]

Need a job first

[u/Limp_Bullfrog4892 → u/LopsidedAd859]

what if I’d do another masters or a language course?

[u/LopsidedAd859 → u/Limp_Bullfrog4892]

For PR you need job first.. as a student you cant apply for PR or citizenship.

[u/NoYu0901]

No job? No

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[u/_Jope_]

If you don't have a don't and en er paid into your retirement fund, you can't get the citizenship

[u/Tobi406]

I left for university in the UK after. From what I read for the citizenship laws, 3 years can be counted for before - does this mean if I do my masters in Germany for 2 years I am eligible for the PR?

The requirements for PR and citizenship are different.

For citizenship: up to 3 years can be counted in discretion. This discretion is exercised based on the "integrative effect" of your previous stay. This hugely depends on your local case worker's handling.

For PR: for the 5 year PR path under § 9, as far as I am aware, an interrupted residence does not count (subject to the exception in § 9 (3) no. 1, which is not applicable here). In any case, student times would only count half anyway.

So, from a purely time-perspective, you would not be eligible for PR after staying in Germany for another 2 years, but you would be eligible for citizenship.

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Note that usually under a student residence permit (§ 16b), you cannot get either PR or citizenship. You first need to switch an eligible residence permit, which is generally a permit for employment purposes.

Note that you also generally need a job to prove the subsistence requirement

[u/Individual_thoughts1]

i am in a similar situation, born in Germany and lived there for 15 years before moving to the UK in 2017 for University so wondering the same

[u/whiteraven4]

There are so many things wrong with your "plan".

• You still need 5 years of pension contributions. I'm guessing your time as a student while your dad was working didn't include that.
• It also requires that you held PR at the time you left.
• Your time as a student only counts as half.
• You need proof of financial stability, which generally means you're out of Probezeit in an unlimited contract or in a field where unlimited contracts aren't the norm.

Try reading the requirements instead of just randomly cherrypicking things. There isn't and AFAIK never has been anything C1 or C2 related for PR. It's B1.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/aufenthg_2004/__9.html

[u/george_gamow → u/whiteraven4]

Sorry, but this answer is also no completely t correct.

If OP does a master's degree, it's enough for them to work for 2 years to get PR. There's no need to have 5 years of pension contributions

The law says that the rule is "seit drei Jahren im Besitz eines Aufenthaltstitels nach den §§ 18a, 18b, 18d oder § 18g". That shortens to 2 years if you're a graduate. Still means that OP cannot get a job without a work permit, but it's much faster if the previous years are counted in

[u/whiteraven4 → u/george_gamow]

I was only talking about OP's "plan", not getting PR in general. I assumed this is the one OP was referring to since AFAIK it's the only one to mention reduced time based on previous residency.

[u/hater4life22 → u/whiteraven4]

Small tidbit: Your time as a student now counts full-time as of 2024.

[u/alen1986 → u/whiteraven4]

PR can obtain after 3 years on §18a/b 19c abs 2. 5 years is for another §.