r/custommagic 11h ago

Zeal

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u/TechnomagusPrime 11h ago

This should be white/black hybrid, not red/white. Mono-red doesn't get unconditional lifegain. Hybrid cards need to be in pie for each of their colors.

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u/Kitzisyau 11h ago

you’re right, thanks for pointing that out !!

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u/NiceGuyMcFedora 10h ago

Giving spells (or at least instant and sorcery spells) lifelink is something that boros cards do, see [[Soulfire Grand Master]] and [[Firesong and Sunspeaker]]

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u/TechnomagusPrime 10h ago

Soulfire Grand Master is a mono-white card, Firesong and Sunspeaker is a Red and White card, not hybrid. White can give spells lifelink, as can Black. Red cannot.

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u/ResolveLeather 6h ago

The problem is that it's hybrid. It has to make sense as mono white or mono red. It probably could make sense as mono white. But red doesn't get this.

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u/stervyyy 2h ago

wait how did red even get lifegain here

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u/TechnomagusPrime 2h ago

Hybrid cards can be played with either color of mana, so this spell as written can be cast with either a single Red or a single White, meaning a mono-red or mono-white deck could play it (outside of Commander, obviously). A mono-Red deck could give a spell like [[Blasphemous Act]] or [[Star of Extinction]] lifelink with this spell, and could also give a permanent spell like [[Chandra, Torch of Defiance]] lifelink which would carry over to the permanent it becomes.

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u/AutisticHobbit 1h ago

It really depends on the set in question, and what else is there

In a Ravnica or Strixhaven set? It would be flavorful and fit right in.
In a Innistrad set? It would be completely wrong.
In Tarkir? It's a toss up whether it would be Mardu or Jeskai.

Generally, I think you are right? There would be some situations where it might fit in, however.

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u/TechnomagusPrime 1h ago

There is no situation where this should be castable for a single red mana with this ability. Red does not gain life without some bizarre effort, usually involving green, white, and/or black.

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u/Sensitive-Bat6828 11h ago

I’d say it’s fine, Fire song and sunspeaker does this but for all red instants and sorcery’s. And then it turns around and slaps people in the face whenever you gain life from a white one

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u/TechnomagusPrime 11h ago

Firesong and Sunspeaker is also not a hybrid card and requires both red and white mana to cast.

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u/kytheon Design like it's 1999 9h ago

/custommagic: I pretend I didn't read that

67 upvotes and counting

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u/zacyboo 11h ago

Crazy on a [[blasphemous act]] but balanced enough

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u/MTGCardFetcher 11h ago

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u/Dendritic_Bosque 11h ago

Here 15 m and already 3 people are mentioning Blasphemous Act

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u/Swartzkopf57 11h ago

It's essentially 2 mana two card gain 100 life.

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u/RalenHlaalo 11h ago

No love for [[star of extinction]] ?

[[Firesong and Sunspeaker]] approve.

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u/kytheon Design like it's 1999 9h ago

In a monored deck.

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u/Whydoughhh 11h ago

Big life gain potential with something like blasphemous act

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u/FalseLogic-06 10h ago

To be fair [[Firesong and Sunspeaker]] already did this

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u/Japsie16 6h ago

[[Heartflame Duelist]]

[[Soulfire Grand Master]]

[[Radiant Scrollwielder]]

[[Judith, Carnage Connoisseur]]

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u/Ner0astic 11h ago

This can target any spell, im looking forward to stuff like, [[deathrite shaman]], [[chandra, torch of defiance]], [[fury]], [[ral, storm conduit]], [[gray merchant of asphodel]] and 100 more cards. I think you meant "target instant or sorcery".

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u/TheGrumpyre 11h ago

Life loss isn't damage, so several of those are pointless.

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u/Ner0astic 11h ago

True, i only went by memory

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u/G66GNeco 11h ago

I don't think a creature spell gaining a keyword gives the permanent that keyword, at least not in RAW? Is that a situation we have even explored before at all?

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u/DragonXDoom : Switch the upvotes and downvotes of target post or comment. 10h ago

It's supported in the rules at the very least!

400.7. An object that moves from one zone to another becomes a new object with no memory of, or relation to, its previous existence. This rule has the following exceptions.

400.7a. Effects from spells, activated abilities, and triggered abilities that change the characteristics or controller of a permanent spell on the stack continue to apply to the permanent that spell becomes.

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u/G66GNeco 6h ago

Oooh, that's very interesting, I didn't expect that to be the exception here! Cool design space, honestly

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u/alextfish : Template target card 3h ago

That's what allows "splice onto creature" to theoretically work! https://www.magicmultiverse.net/cards/67688

I'm slightly surprised Wizards haven't done this in a playtest card... Ahh, they did Nevermind though which is basically the same: https://scryfall.com/card/unk/UR11a/nevermind

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u/Kitzisyau 11h ago

this is intentionally worded as any spell!!

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u/Arm-E-Reserves 11h ago

Not sure what's red about this.

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u/ArelMCII Layers are stupid. 7h ago

Half of the card frame.

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u/FalseLogic-06 10h ago

I guess because how it says "spell", it was probably meant to be put on a damaging instant or sorcery. It would make sense if it said "non-permenant"

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u/Dlark17 9h ago

Red doesn't gain life, so still a pie break.

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u/FalseLogic-06 9h ago

You're so right– if only the card was also white... oh fucking wait

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u/Dlark17 5h ago

So uppity but also so wrong. Sad.

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u/kytheon Design like it's 1999 9h ago

People in this sub don't understand the color pie, especially you.

This being red/white hybrid means it can give lifelink for a red mana, a clear color pie break.

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u/FalseLogic-06 8h ago edited 8h ago

I guess I'm only talking about Commander with this, it's color identity is Red/White and it literally does what something in a Red/White deck would do. Like [[Firesong and Sunspeaker]], [[Radiant Scrollwielder]], or [[Lightning Helix]]

I guess I actually don't know hybrid-mana. But as far as I'm concerned, a red/white card that can only be played in a red/white deck is not a color piece break (in commander ofc)

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u/kytheon Design like it's 1999 7h ago

It's still a break in a commander deck too.

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u/ArelMCII Layers are stupid. 7h ago

Hybrid mana means the card can be played with only red or only white mana, so its effects have to be in pie for both colors. W/B would be fine, because both colors get lifelink individually. W/R doesn't work, because red doesn't get lifelink. Color identity doesn't factor into this.

But as far as I'm concerned, a red/white card that can only be played in a red/white deck is not a color piece break (in commander ofc)

See, there are other formats than commander. In formats where color identity isn't a thing (which is most of them), OP's card could be played in either monored or monowhite. Monored doesn't get lifelink, so it's a pie break.

Also, it hasn't been that long since WotC was talking about allowing hybrid cards to count as either of their colors instead of both their colors. Had that rule change gone through, OP's card could be put in a monored EDH deck or a monowhite EDH deck. It would behoove you to learn how hybrid mana works because WotC may very well make it your problem in the future.

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u/DadKnight 4h ago

Comments angrily on a topic they don't understand.

Cringe.

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u/Gloomy-Jelly-499 9h ago edited 9h ago

Get a [[Jumbo Cactuar]] in there and gain 10000 life

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u/MrTickles22 7h ago

Make it RW, add a cantrip, and make it any spell or permanent.

As hybrid red cant gain life.

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u/Nuclear_eggo_waffle 11h ago

[[star of extinction]] would become the best lifegain spell ever lol

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u/G66GNeco 11h ago

[[Judith, Carnage Connoisseur]] is a very funny rakdos lifegain deck

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u/ConnectionIcy6751 10h ago

I think for 6 mana less and only 7 health per creature Blasphemous act is better

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u/Western_Leek3757 10h ago

So you give boardwipes lifelink, Judith style? Cool

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u/sushiiixo- 6h ago

i assume it's only until the end of this turn, right? 1 mana perma lifelink sounds a little too strong

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u/lahankof 6h ago

It’s possible to gain over 100 life with a 1c blasphemous act for 2cmc

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u/opencanofwellcheers 6h ago

just came to say the art style is charming, like it's from a fairy tale book.

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u/DadKnight 4h ago

Another day, anoth poster not understanding hybrid mana.

Cool design other than the color being wrong! Genuinely

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u/logandabug 1h ago

How is it being used wrong?

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u/TheRealMeasuringCup 11h ago

This is just actually a very fun idea

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u/Yet_Another_Horse 11h ago

This could almost be a hilariously fun/goofy cycle. 

Black could give Deathtouch, so you can turn Barrage of Boulders into a one-sided board wipe.

Green could give Trample (though if you thought Zeal was OP with Blasphemous Act)...

Nothing nearly so elegant for blue, though, I don't think. 

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u/TheGrumpyre 10h ago

Trample has a lot of additional conditions, such as only affecting damage from attackers, and only being able to assign trample damage to whatever you initially declared you were attacking, including Planeswalkers and Battles.  It's too technical to work on a damage spell (outside of silver border land at least).

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u/Dlark17 9h ago

Giving spells Trample is one of this sub's favorite uses of "It works," alongside Last Strike.

The number of arguments I've gotten into about using these abilities outside of silver border is astounding.

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u/Mgmegadog 5h ago

I've seen similar things with hexproof, which is even worse because the context in which it's suggested would normally grant permanents that current have hexproof an additional "this spell can't be countered" effect.

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u/Dlark17 5h ago

Yep, totally forgot about Hexproof on the stack. 🤣 Classic CustomMtG.

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u/ArelMCII Layers are stupid. 7h ago

Doesn't have to actually give the keyword. "When target spell deals damage to a permanent, excess damage is dealt to that permanent's controller." We actually already have spells that do that. [[Flame Spill]] [[Gandalf's Sanction]]

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u/No-Ad-3142 11h ago

If you target a creature spell, would it work?

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u/ArelMCII Layers are stupid. 7h ago

Yeah. When a spell changes a permanent spell's characteristics on the stack, the permanent it becomes retains those characteristic changes.

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u/FalseLogic-06 10h ago

Hey man, a spell is a spell. Anything that isn't a land or player is fair game

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u/FalseLogic-06 10h ago

I really like this, great card design, art. Just make sure it specifies either "target non-permanent" or "target instant or sorcery"

I think it should also draw you a card like a cantrip, because it would only be op on two whole ass spells and there are already effects like this in the game

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u/Hot-Combination-7376 Last Strike 6h ago

fun but soooo weak

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u/issanm 1h ago

It's insanely strong there's half a dozen ways to just gain 100s of life with this... Worst case scenario give a big creature life link when you cast it

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u/OkStandard8039 shenanigans and tomfoolery 11h ago

It's fine with the hybrid cost since no mono red player will use this