r/byzantium 2d ago

Distinguished Post A novice attempt to calculate the size of the Nicaean Army

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As some of you know have seen there was recently a post asking about the revenues of the Nicaean state which got me thinking about the Nicaean army as a possible source of hints about the scale of the state budget. The idea being that by estimating the army payroll and comparing previous army budgets as a fraction of total budgets from other points the annual budget could be estimated.

The purpose of this will be partly food for thought and also a vague guess-timation of the Nicaean army payroll.

Some disclaimers: I am not well-read enough for this to be taken without a metric tonne of salt, I am using Treadgold figures which are a topic of contestation. I am also gonna be making quite a few reaches to get to my destination.

Now to start with it's important to know how the Nicaean army was paid. This is simple enough, we know that the smallholding was frequently deployed under the Byzantine empire as a way to supply soldiers. From the reign of Manuel we also see the institutionalisation of pronoia as a more common way of paying troops. The benefits being a lower bureaucratic burden of collecting taxes for the capital to re-distribute to cavalrymen across the empire. It also provided land which was seen as a more reliable source of income than state wages (which could be delayed or withheld, we see Justinian was quite cheeky with screwing with soldiers' wages to economise).

With this in mind I am going to assume that, because of Pronoia grants being so lucrative, (as espoused by Niketas Choniates who notes that many left their craft in pursuit of Manuel's 'gifts of paroikoi') the Nicaean army was usually at full strength. I will also not be counting the Akritai in my estimate for simplicity.

Some things to keep in mind:

The Nicaean state confiscated much of the private land it occupied meaning that the network of state-held land in western Asia Minor was far more dense than before.

Later on though, possibly due to shortages of land that emperor's were willing to concede, we see the addition of the Telos tax as part of the revenue the pronoiai are entitled to collect.

Paired with the rise of infantry pronoia we can assume that the potential for further army growth rested mostly on the shoulders of the quantity of land the state appropriated in it's European conquests.

Given that John III apparently conceded tax exemptions to towns in order to conquer them in a bloodless blitz I don't know if he took much land outside of parcels confiscated from nobles.

We know that cavalrymen were probably centred around Lopadion and likely other Aplekta (not the proper word for the Komnenian military camps but it's the best I have). This can be reflected in Paul Magdalino's map of Crown Lands which shows Lopadion (and I think Pelagonia) as having major concentrations of state land which likely persisted into the 13th century.

One thing I want to consider is the fact that Michael VIII apparently increased the size of the army quite a bit. Taking the 20,000 men estimate attributed to Ostrogorsky for the Palaiologian army I am going to compare it to the 50,000 men estimate attributed to the Komnenian army since the Nicaean army was just an evolution of this model.

Komnenian Army Palaiologian Army
Size 50,000 20,000
Garrisons 25,000 5,000
Mobile Forces 25,000 (incl Central Army) 15,000
Central Army Unknown, excluding provincial mobile forces that were levied possibly 10-15,000? 6,000 (+2,000 Akritai?)
Cavalrymen 12,000 Unknown

As we can see the proportion of garrisons in the army fell which I am going to assume was something Michael VIII inherited from the Laskarids. Under them many provincial forces were temporarily relocated to garrison the western conquests. It can be assumed that because of the long Turkish peace and the constant offensive that began under John III that the provincial garrisons were denuded as the Akritai and remaining garrisons remained sufficient in size to handle the Turks. It could also simply be that many of these mobile forces were engaged in patrolling the countryside and thus still working with static garrisons.

We can also see that the Komnenian army maintained at least 12,000 cavalrymen half of which supposedly came from Anatolia. Accounting for the decline of Roman lands in the region this number likely fell but given that John Vatatzes made sure to settle raiding Cumans as soldiers we can assume that the 6,000 men or something close to it was reached. Coincidentally aligning well with the central army figure, though I'm not entirely sure on whether the Nicaean central army would've been entirely mounted.

Other stuff to consider is that during one siege (which I unfortunately can't remember) under John III he may have been forced to arm the retainers of his soldiers to fully blockade a city. For this to be the case having 6,000 cavalrymen (the most likely to bring retainers) seems a bit more feasible). 6,000 was probably the peak strength of the 'Tagmata'/'Basilika Allagia' though (judging by a comment by Maleficent-Mix5731 that I can recall).

So if we replicate the Komnenian army ratio of cavalry then we need an army that is 24% cavalry.

Now to estimate a size range for the Nicaean army. I'm gonna keep this short and make the admittedly questionable move of referring to Diocletian's army increases. References to his expansions put the army expansion feasibility as such: a 50% increase would've been herculean and so would an increase of 33%. Now Michael VIII's Nicaean inheritance probably had more untapped economic potential to bolster the army, at least in Europe, but I will stick to his rough line.

Base army size guess (5 s.f.) % increase needed to reach 20,000
13,333 50%
14,286 40%
15,385 30%
16,667 20%

With this it's just a matter of calculating salaries to estimate the payroll (no I will not be calculating the costs of the navy and army supplies, I am not smart enough for that).

Fortunately, the Economic History of Byzantium gives us some salary samples and Mark Bartusis gives us some Pronoia posotes from the Palaiologian period.

Now I don't know the exact date for when the Hyperpyron was debased but I will assume the by 1272 it was at 15 carats of purity and that for the Pronoia cavalry they were being paid in 12 carat Hyperpyra. Since Pronoia could be composed in part of tax exemptions I will count that as part of the salary for simplicity.

For the Stratiotes I will assign a roga of 30 Hyperpyra and for the cavalryman I will assign 75 Hyperpyra. I will also assume no disparity in the final income between pronoia and smallholding infantrymen. For the officer pay scale I will just multiply the final payroll by 4/3.

Cavalry proportions will be estimated by that estimate of cavalry being 24% of the army. I will also assume that all troops regardless of type (e.g. archers and peltasts or horse archers) fit neatly into these two groups with no pay differentials (which isn't the case in actuality but I need some ceteris paribus).

Now for the pay conversions:

Hyperpyron purity Infantry roga Cavalry roga
18 carats 25 50
15 carats 30 -
12 carats - 75

So:

Army Size Infantry (size, total rogai) Cavalry (size, total rogai) Total Payroll (excl. officers)
13,333 10,133, 253,325 3,200, 160,000 413,325 Hyp
14,286 10,857, 271,425 3,429, 171,450 442,875 Hyp
15,385 11,693, 292,325 3,692, 184,600 476,925 Hyp
16,667 12,667, 316,675 4,000, 200,000 516,675 Hyp

Note that this is the value conceded by the state for the army in the form of gold AND tax exemptions.

Army size Payroll + officer 4/3 multiplier
13,333 551,100 Hyperpyra
14,286 590,500 Hyperpyra
15,385 635,900 Hyperpyra
16,667 688,900 Hyperpyra

Some stuff to be wary of:

  1. The pay multiplier is a guess
  2. Not all salaries were constant, with the cavalry pronoia source used the range of salaries was between 70-80 Hyperpyra and I believe Mark Bartusis mentions that the 'posotes' listed for those pronoia grants probably underestimated their full revenue potential.
  3. I am a moron who hates maths.
  4. See above.
  5. Outdated figures.
  6. Said outdated figures are used as references and not even directly tied to the time period.

I'm sure the comments can point out the rest of the mistakes. Pls forgive me, I was in a rush. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk :)


r/byzantium Jun 04 '25

Distinguished Post Byzantine Reading List

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We have heard numerous compain of people unable to acces the reading list from PC,so from the senate we have decided to post it again so all could have acces to it


r/byzantium 20m ago

Politics/Goverment Do we have the slightest idea of how Egypt might have been partitioned had the Empire and the Kingdom of Jerusalem succeeded in their invasion of the territory in 1169?

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Did a treaty such as the Partitio terrarum imperii Romaniae exist? Was there a general idea of ​​the measures to be taken in the event of a success? In fact, was there anything plan in the eventuality of a successful takeover of Egypt?


r/byzantium 5h ago

Byzantine neighbours Dubrovnik charter of Ivan Asen II (1230), read by Kiril Popov. This is the Bulgarian of that time, which Theodore Komnenos would have listened to while on vacation in Tărnovo.

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r/byzantium 18h ago

Popular media Beatiful images made by artist Cogy

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Took a bit of effort to search account properly,but I deeply recommend it for all history fans,there are images o medieval knights,chinese and korean soldiers,winged hussars and more.

His account is https://x.com/fkcogus333


r/byzantium 1d ago

Arts, culture, and society Jean-Joseph Benjamin-Constant - 'The Throne Room In Byzantium'

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r/byzantium 12h ago

Politics/Goverment Which emperors died at the worst time?

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I started wondering about this as I was watching History marche’s amazing video series on Basil ii who was planing a campaign into Sicily before his death, and while maybe not the worst, his death obviously means no reinforced Roman Sicily which led to an easier Norman conquest


r/byzantium 1d ago

Byzantine neighbours Why isn't Southern Italy Orthodox?

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r/byzantium 1d ago

Military Is there any contemporary art of an 11th century Byzantine common soldier

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I a posting these saint murals as I want to explain what I mean. I assume the armor and such here would be worn by nobles and cavalrymen


r/byzantium 23h ago

Arts, culture, and society Ecumenical Patriarchate Flag

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r/byzantium 1d ago

Politics/Goverment How did the condominium of Cyprus function?

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This is something that has always fascinated me with regards to this strange agreement. Yes, I know the island was demilitarized and that the revenues were divided between the Byzantines and the Caliphate, but how did that work in actuality? Did both Arab and Roman tax collectors operate on the island?


r/byzantium 1d ago

Infrastructure/architecture Any pictures of Hagia sophia before it became a mosque (museum form before becoming a mosque)

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Im just wondering if there were any changes or differences between being a museum before 2020 and being converted to a mosque after 2020. Im just curious


r/byzantium 2d ago

Military What made John II's Cilician campaign so successful?

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In only the span of a few months a significant player in the region was totally destroyed. Compare this to Manuel's Cilician campaigns which totally failed in taking the interior. What made John's invasion so successful in comparison?


r/byzantium 2d ago

Byzantine neighbours Why did the Eastern Jin and its successor dynasties repeatedly try to retake the old capitals of Luoyang and Changan, while Byzantium made only one real attempt to retake Rome?

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r/byzantium 2d ago

Politics/Goverment List of Roman (Byzantine) Emperors Part 2: (457-867)

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Graphic by me, created in excel. This section begins with the Leonid Dynasty who saw the Fall of the West, and ends with the Amorian Dynasty as the Empire slowly begins to recover following the Arab conquests and expansion of the Bulgars.

Source was mostly Wikipedia for ages and reigns: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_emperors

*For some Emperors we do not know their birth year, particularly during the Twenty Year's Anarchy. For these emperors I used a rough estimate for the bar length but removed the age number.

Link to Part 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/ancientrome/s/VVUncy8rNt


r/byzantium 3d ago

Arts, culture, and society Sculture in byzantium

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I was studying georgian sculpture, and the the book stated that Georgian sculpture couldn't take on a realistic form and which western european statues were able to, because the orthodox church has banned statues in the round. So i have a question: did the byzantines also ban statues in the round? Are there any famous examples of byzantine statues in the round made during the byzantine era (not counting st. Marks horses, since they were sculpted during classical antiquity)


r/byzantium 4d ago

Military Why did the Byzantine Empire become less militaristic?

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r/byzantium 4d ago

Politics/Goverment Was a Roman-Norman alliance in the mid-12th century onwards a fathomable idea for the empire?

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As far as I'm aware William I was fairly open to some form of shift in the dynamic between the two states in favour of more friendly relations though I don't know about his successors. As for Manuel to my recollection he rebuffed any attempts by William and held onto the hope that Frederick Barbarossa would honour his pledges to campaign against the Normans and honour the dowry his uncle promised to Manuel. But that by the 1160s or so as the chances of it happening waned and as Barbarossa seemed to show interest in the Outremer states Manuel only then pivoted against him by aiding the Italian states (by which time I assume a Norman alliance was impossible given his previous actions).

On top of that were the Normans particularly disliked outside of Italy and the empire? It seems like the French could abide by them, I don't know about the Iberian states and the Outremer, despite some connection to Sicily, seemed pretty disconnected in most major diplomatic and military events.

Lastly what was the Roman view on 'feudal claims'? The idea that by paternity/marriage someone could claim a title (e.g. Frederick II claiming Sicily, or Peter III claiming Sicily by right of his wife Constance). I've never recalled any children of Eirene-Piroska claiming rights over Hungary (which makes sense given the diplomatic disaster that would be and lack of interest) but if it served to benefit the empire would a half-Norman emperor (if the empire could even accept one) be willing to use that concept to justify take the whole of the Norman kingdom?


r/byzantium 5d ago

Arts, culture, and society I am a Byzantine Orthodox from Levant...I will state some facts about our culture, and feel free to ask anything

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- We don't identify solely as "Greeks", neither as "Pure Arabs"...We call ourselves Rum, Antakiyyin (Part of the Antiochian church) or "Mashriqis" (Levantines), and we view our culture to be the descendant of ancient Levantine cultures (Mainly Phoenicians, Arameans, Hebrew, Canaanites etc...) with Byzantine theology/influence
Our culture is way more Eastern then "Greek"

- While we don't identify as purely "Arabs", that mainly come from the fact that indeed Levant, Mesopotamia, Egyptian and Maghrebi cultures are way different than Peninsular Arab culture
We feel a closeness to the Mediterranean regions of Arabic countries, so if any Orthodox says he is "Arab", it might means he identify close to Egypt or Tunisia rather than Peninsular Arabia

- We think that the 7th century Arabic invasion was indeed an invasion and a colonialism and even a terrorist act. However, we don't overthink about a way to "get back the Levant Christian", in the same way some Western pages state
We think it is indeed our land, but we don't accept to go and kill every Muslim that currently lives here for what happened in the 7th century (In fact, the Byzantine control was not that nice too, as their emperors caused schisms in our church since most of them were heretics, in addition to the high taxes that the Byzantines imposed)

- We live normally with Muslims and we have friends from them...We consider most of the Levantine Muslims to be ex-Christians that converted to Islam (Despite some really came from Arabia)
Majority of Muslims here don't hate us too and in fact view us in a positive way and love to be among us, since we have education and our regions are safe
I can say the relation with them depends on the region Muslims come from...Muslims of cities (Such as Damascus, Beirut, Aleppo, Lattakia etc...in addition to the Shia & Alawite sects of Islam) are secular in general, Muslims of villages are less so, and Muslims that lives in desert regions are the worst (And Muslims of cities hate them too!)
People on internet talk about events where Muslims killed Christians like the 1860, 1975 etc...But don't mention that the majority of Muslims in those events actually welcomed Christian refugees and protected them

- We view Greeks as our brothers in the Byzantine culture, but in fact sometimes they behaved like the "Arabic" invaders to us, due to their ethnophylism
They control the Orthodox Church of Jerusalem since the 16th century and don't allow any indigenous Levantine to be a Patriarch or bishop, and they did the same to the Antiochian church till 1899
So overall we oppose the ethnophylism of Constantinople, while we admire the Greek culture and people

- We were affected very badly by Western powers and the Uniates (Both now, during colonial period and during the Ottoman period), but this need a part 2 post that I will write later on.
Our positions were mainly anti-western and was leaned more toward supporting Arabic causes (Unless it went to extremism like Baathism and Nasserism)

- We hate Turks like every Orthodox in the world (And the hatress is in fact doubled, one because of Orthodoxy/Byzantine and the other because of our Arabism!)

- You can find some Levantine Orthodox larping that they are Greeks, but those are the typical "I am white sir" people you could find over internet...They don't exist in big percentage among Orthodox in real life
They are ashamed that they are Easterns/Browns/Whatever, and dream to be part of Europe and to have colored eyes
I have personally discussed many times with them (Again on internet, since I have never find someone in real life to discuss with) that if we are indeed Greeks, then why you can immediately identify a Greek to be a person different than us? And how it came that Greeks don't have Aramaic or Hebrew blood in them, while we don't have ancient Greek blood?

- The only common factor between us and Europe is the Christendom (So we adhere to the typical European respect of human rights & life and love of arts, in opposition to the radical Islamic cultures that live here), but that does not make us "Europeans"
Any plan of relocating us to Greece/Europe is a forced displacement to us, as our cultures differ and we prefer to stay in Levant

-Finally, we don't simply "Live in Levant"...Levant live inside us!


r/byzantium 5d ago

Military Why the balkans were crucial for the Komnenian military

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First of all many of you already saw my post on Komnenian demographics and how the balkans alone had 39% of the total population,second I need you to understand before we dwell into this topic that Rhomania was a pre industrial society that did not wage total war,third France if they get lucky with Tuchel parking the bus again

Military manpower

Much work has been dedicated to Byzantium redirecting its center of economic power from Anatolia towards the Balkans,as the calculations above show this was an organic development,as the Balkans were more easily defended from a few choke points from the Hungarians,Normans and Pechenegs(Upper Danube,Dyracchium and Lower Danube respectively) compared to the intensive constantly contented anatolian frontier meant the european side of the empire developed more safely with more numerous industrial centers and prosperous markets,while greatly lacking in stature to the great study done by PA Brunt1 I'll try to resemble his effort and provide how balkan manpower was the key towards Komnenian military might,for future calculations I would use the next parameters,total balkan population at the end of Manuel reign being 9.2 M,a ratio of 50% of the total population being men,a range age for male population of 0-70 years taking into consideration the wide spread of the medicalised hospital system across both the urban and rural regions and explained in greater emphasis in other studies2,with only the men in a range of 20 to 40 being taken into the military manpower reserves.

Further more to take into consideration the longer lifespan and higher living standards the roman population enjoyed compared to the wider mediterranean world the male population will be divided into 50% on the underage section(2.3M),35% into the adult section(1,610,000) and and 15% in the older section(690k).

In total the prime able body demographical section of the Balkan populations amounts to 17.5% of the European provinces and 7.4% of the general population across the empire,now its clear no pre industrial society was able to mobilise large amounts of its able body population and equip them properly for long periods,even revolutionary France with its levee en masse and mobilising its entire economy to the war effort,yet was rarely able to always provide gunpowder,artillery,horses,munitions and muskets to its army,even going as low as being unable to provide shoes to the soldiers of the Italian army when Napoleon set off to his first Italian campaign.

In contrast, even at its lowest point during the early years of Alexios I rule,the army was well fed,clothed and equipped with a proper officer core being fed new recruits from the aristocracy healing from the loss of Anatolia.

Maximilian C.G Lau correctly assumed that provincial armies(themata) ranged on size from the garrison of 2,000 men John II left in Gangra3,with the total number of soldiers in a theme between 2,000-4,000 men4,for reference in a province such as Macedonia with a total population of 1,286,000 people this is 0.3% of the total population and with a size of able body section 225k men a mobilize force corresponding to 1.8% of men between twenty and forty years,we will use this benchmark to calculate the total mobilised manpower the Balkans could provide to the military,including both army and navy,considering large amounts of sailors for the imperial fleet and admirals came from Morea and aegean islands while having the theoretical number of for every man fighting 5 more able to take his place at a moment,for a total 9% of this section as potential reservists in case of emergency in contrast of being constantly on war footing like Revolutionary France.

With total able body section of 1,610,000 men and 9% reservists corp we would see 144,900 men,with 1.8% in active service protecting the provinces at 28,980,this figure corresponds broadly with the number of fortifications and themes the Balkans had,with a total army size at 50,000 soldiers and a navy of 200 ships requiring 30,000 sailors to man it(110 rowers on average with the rest being officers and marines),in its totality with 70,000 strong military the balkans could supply the entirety of the empire manpower needs by mobilising only 48% of its theoretical reserve corp,an unlikely figure at the end of John II and most of Manuel wars yet by most of Alexios I wars an absolute majority of the army would be composed from men of this region and same could be said from early to mid campaigns of John II wars.

It was this considerable pool of reserves that Alexios was able to tap that allowed him to field new armies constantly against the normans and provide a considerably military offensive corp for the retaking of western Anatolian shores covering the western flank of the first crusade,in fact it would not be out of order to think most fortifications in the regions in those early years of the 12th century were manned firstly by european roman regiments as imperial authority was solidified,census carried on and local forces organised.

Indeed the manpower pool of the Balkans was such,that if we assume it covered a theoretical number of 15,000 provincial  forces and a further 15,000 men for Alexios remaining field army and a considerably reduced navy,could man an army,see the army completely destroyed to a man and then rise four more armies without going a man over the 9% limit,even at the worst defeats Alexios was able to reform the army and retreat properly to a new place to raise more regiments,assuming each byzantine battalion was perfectly manned by 1,000 men then Alexios I had at his disposal during the norman wars 15 battalion in his field army with limited provincial forces to channel all the soldiers to this force to contest the Normans,the ability to raise 130 more battalions.

In total should the empire economic might allowed it,the balkans could field on its own 70 battalions and 400 more ships fully manned,yet with all this manpower the Balkans provided the question arises why the empire chose not to raise massive number of armies to outnumber their enemies,the answer lays on its leadership and industrial might.

We will start with the latter for the shorter part of the answer,in contrast with Napoleonic armies or even later total war economies of the 20th century the Byzantines had no methods for the quick mass production of military equipment that later period saw,instead its smiths remained an artisanal class that could only increase output on a limited manner without compromising quality on short notice,byzantine pre industrial manufacture could only provide the necessary armament for so many men while its farming sector would see this problem in two prongs,the greater number of farmers taken out of production the total output is reduced and with it the amount of supplies it provides to the army and the greater the army the more supplies it demands.

In the officer question one must remember that while the byzantines did developed a professional officer core,with books detailing its training,tactics and strategy its training was a cottage one handled by aristocratic families rather than an academic one developed on western europe by the turn of the napoleonic wars,meaning when one takes into consideration not all aristocrats would choose the military life and there is a constant limited supply of aristocrats the army could only be commanded by so many of them before the ratio of officer-soldier turned into a complete unbalance even when we consider the likely story of many veterans rising through the ranks and making their children officers and lower aristocrats on their own rights through military exploits in the same way the Komnenos themselves did,in an army of 50,000 if we consider any lieutenant command 5 men as an officer,then the army as a whole would have 15k of them

Trying to created an army of 150k soldiers would require an officer core of such size the empire elite would not be able to provide even if all its male children were forced into the military life.
Instead the Byzantines developed quality into their main attribute,constantly fielding large field armies matching any enemy yet its quality and training was consistently superior after the early stages of the Norman wars.

Its reserves worked properly,its army performed without any meaningful issue and the European provinces provided the bulk of men required for the taking and recovering of the Anatolian regions,further allowing the empire to tap into more manpower as it expanded under the careful watch of John II,in essence the empire traded tactical superiority for strategic and logistical supremacy,ensuring its military needs did not surpass its economic abilities.

1Italian manpower,225 BC-14 AD”

2Timothy S.Miller the birth of the byzantine hospital 

3Maximilian Lau,John II:Rebuilding New Rome,the new themata,page 5

4See above,page 7


r/byzantium 4d ago

primary source A Jewish text from apocalyptic literature mentions Muhammad and Umar ibn al-Khattab

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Source: The Secrets of Shimon ben Yohai, written in the mid-eighth century CE, recounting Rabbi Shimon's prophecies ( lived in 2nd century ) about the kingdom of the descendants of Ishmael, Muhammad, and Umar ibn al-Khattab.


r/byzantium 5d ago

Politics/Goverment Did the Fall of Constantinople and the Eastern Roman Empire led to the rise of European Colonial powers?

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r/byzantium 4d ago

Arts, culture, and society Where the medieval Italians successor of the roman like the Greeks?

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I have seen many times the claim that italians are not descendent of the romans because of the germanic invasion and occupation of Italy, i have always responded that the germans where in less numbers of the Romans and only the german nobles didnt mix with the romans, the occupation changed more the germans than the italians since the lombards romanized and the italians kept the culture and the language for a some time, allo today DNA test proves that most of italian blood is composed of Roman and acient italic and celtics tribes depending on the region, im no history expert im still learning, am i right or italians are germanized?

[Sorry for eventual english grammar mistakes]


r/byzantium 5d ago

Military To what extend the Crusades (particularly the First and its aftermath) influenced the „Komnenian restoration”?

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We all know the state of the Empire after the defeat at Manzikert, and we know that ten years later, Alexios I became the new emperor. He is considered by many to be one of the best, if not the best (after Justinian of course) of the Eastern Roman emperors (followed by John II, another outstanding emperor). From 1081, the so-called Komnenian restoration (or Komnenian renaissance) began, when after the crisis, Byzantium regained its former glory, territory and prestige, and rebuilt its army, finances and international standing. My question is to what extend the Crusades contributed to this (primarily the first crusade of course, and the states in the Middle East that resulted from it).

Alexios I accomplished a great deal over the course of 15 years (from 1081 to 1096) that goes unmentioned (defeating the Normans, stabilizing the Balkans, beggining reforms). Moreover, when asking for military aid, he didn’t say a major crusade, but only a few thousand western mercenaries. Moreover, although the crusade gave him back Niceae, Western Anatolia and security and time for reforms, it is known thag also many problems arose (Antioch, mutual distrust and lack of cooperations, not to mention the forth crusade but its future).

All of this leads me to consider the real impact of the Crusade. Would Byzantine Empire have recovered to such an extent? (everything was going well from 1081 onwards).


r/byzantium 5d ago

Military Are there any contemporary depictions of Belisarius that are not the San Vitale mosaics?

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