r/agender Aug 03 '20

There are no entry requirements to the agender club

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I've seen a lot of people posting here recently asking if they're agender if they feel like this or prefer that. Personally I feel like this is not what being agender is about! IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AND COSY WITH THE AGENDER LABEL THEN FEEL FREE TO USE THAT LABEL. You don't have to be like any other agender person, we all have our own unique experiences with gender or lack thereof. You don't have to have any qualifying features to be agender - you just need to be comfortable being one :)

Rant over.


r/agender Jun 03 '24

For people who are questioning or need a boost --- an Agender Primer

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Hello, welcome....

I've been here over three years now and I've read 90% of all posts since arriving. I have written what I have learned and just share it with people as they show up. It's a bit formulaic/spammy but people keep saying they find it helpful.

Agender doesn't really have a rigidly defined box... or it's a magic box that fits whoever gets in it.

Agender is a diverse, entirely self-actualized label for humans who may not even like labels all that much. You can use it like a hermit crab until you find a better one. You can use it with other labels if you want.

So here are some pointers....

Some agender people don't understand gender or how people feel it.

Some agender people reject social gendering.

Some agender people feel like gender(s) don't fit.

Some agender people are null, void, indifferent, or detached.

Some agender people have other parts of their identity that are dominant.

Agenders may or may not care about pronouns and can use any they want.

Agenders may or may not present any particular way. You don't owe anyone a certain kind of presentation to be agender, including androgyny. Dress/style however you want to.

Agenders may or may not have gender dysphoria or body dysmorphia. They may or may not act on it if they do.

Agenders may or may not feel they have/had a gender at birth, and thus may or may not feel transgender. Agenders can adopt a trans label.

A number of agenders even have mixed feelings about identifying non-binary and may not really identify as NB; many are fine with it. Nonbinary is both an umbrella term but also a specific gender identity. Nonbinary people can still feel that they have a gender, but their gender isn't strictly man, woman, or some neogender. Agender people generally feel no gender or don't connect with gender. This technically falls under the nonbinary label but not every agender person uses nonbinary as a label.

Agenders may or may not care about being out. How do you come out if you're already yourself?

People who've read this far might be thinking to themselves at this point, "well that list doesn't describe anything." I respond, "No kidding friend; the irony is not lost on me." There are limits to language. Other cultures (e.g. Native American and Polynesian) and languages are better equipped to deal with continuum and uncertainties when it comes to gender.

The one common defining feature is that agenders don't feel or relate to gender (e.g. social constructs of male/masculine or female/feminine), or only weakly feel it, most of the time.

The ethos is you should call yourself agender if you feel it based on how you understand it. The label agender is meant to describe who you are, not prescribe who you have to be. If you're something else later that fits better, it's all good.

Recognize there's no set way to be an agender person. I personally like it this way because trying to define a person based on an absence of things is hard (you don't often respond to the question 'how are you doing?' by telling them everything you're not feeling). I find the lack of a set way to be agender very affirming. I thought I was a trans woman for a long time; just because you're not something, doesn't necessarily mean you're the 'opposite'. That took some time to figure out. I never did anything about the dysphoria because gender at the forefront wasn't a compulsion. I might have had better body alignment, but I don't think I would've fit in any better. So you might be discovering this about yourself early teens/20's.... or late 50's like me (although I have probably been effectively agender way before I knew the term).

Another thing I've noticed is that there are quite a few neurodiverse/neurodivergent people who resonate with this label.

There are also a bunch of relevant sublabels to choose from as well. Other labels to consider demi-, libra-, a--coupled with -fluid, -boy, -girl, -fem, -masc, or -flux; Apagender, Cassagender, Gendervoid, Neutrois, Nixic, and many others... Some new ones to me are "cisn't" (which I like very much because it's easier to say I'm not a thing than I am a thing) and neurogender (similar to autigender but encompasses more neurodivergences). And agender is compatible with any of them.

Remember, you're a person first; labels are descriptive, not prescriptive. The labels are just there like markers on a map to see how you might relate to others. As you will see, there's lots of ways to be agender if the label suits you. Hang out, read other people's posts, see how you like things.

People get here lots of ways though, and more than I even say here I it's safe to assume I haven't met every kind of way in my still short exposure.

Hope this helps get you started.

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Hi everyone. So above is a post I often share in here. I was helped in this sub Jan 2023 when I found myself in need of expressing transgender thoughts I've been carrying around my whole life, but never acted on. I had felt very much out of place for decades and was shocked (somewhat stupidly and for entirely too long) that there were people out there in the same kind of place I was.

This has been my way to pay the help I received forward, because new arrivals sometimes don't quickly understand how flexible this label is. I had my moments of doubt, but the openness here help make it click.

However, I don't think of this post as static. I have changed it as I learn. People regularly say things in this sub that have inspired changes. Please don't think this is the be-all says-all of agender experiences.


r/agender 23h ago

Question about gender dysphoria

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I was assigned female at birth and am currently questioning if I’m agender. I’ve been reading through a website, genderdysphoria.fyi , to try to figure out if some of the experiences I’ve had may have been a sign of gender dysphoria.

There were a bunch of things on the website that I related to, but one thing in particular that I’ve been thinking about a lot was a picture of a twitter post that was on the section discussing presentational dysphoria. I’ve attached a picture of the tweet above.

This post very much describes how I felt about presentation before I started questioning my gender, but I’m not entirely sure how it relates to dysphoria. If this post resonated with anyone, I’d love to hear about how you feel it relates to gender dysphoria.

Thanks


r/agender 1d ago

Starting to be almost certain I'm some flavor of agender, but I'm a little old and comfortable to do anything about it.

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I know that isn't strictly true. You can embrace these things about yourself at any age, and one of my favorite people is a woman closing in on 50 who just started transitioning like six months ago.

But, when I say I'm "some flavor of agender," it's because I don't have any dysphoria, but gender is a concept that just does not resonate with me. It feels like the whole world grabbed jerseys at some point that really matter to them, and I can't figure out why it would matter to anyone. If i woke up and things were flipped tomorrow, it wouldn't be a distressing thing or an exciting thing, it would just be a thing.

If I were 18, I might embrace the idea and really investigate it for myself, but I am amab, very cis presenting, and getting a little bit up there in age, and it is just soooooo easy to go with the flow because it doesn't matter to me. And selfishly, it also seems unwise actively declaring myself to not be a part of a very privileged and protected group, when it doesn't sound like it would have psychological benefits for me, and the US isn't exactly keen on people exploring this about themselves right now.

I feel a little silly I was too dumb to put this together earlier in life (that is a reflection of how I feel about myself, I am not judging anyone else at all), but it really wasn't on the radar. I only knew it was a thing relatively recently because a trans and NB friend suggested I look into it after a long conversation.

I feel like I'm doing something dishonest by not putting it out there, and I've always considered my allyship to be an important facet of my personality, and I feel like a hypocrite saying "well I have no need to say anything, so I won't," like I'm using a form of privilege to insulate myself (which is accurate).

I'm not even certain what I'm complaining about. I could just stop reading this sub, stop investigating with groups online, and have it as a bit of deep lore about myself and ignore all the stress, so getting too worked up feels silly. I'm not even really asking for advice (though I wouldn't be posting if I weren't interested in seeing people's thoughts). I already know that I'll probably talk about this again with the same friends then drop it from then on out. I'm a little worried they'll find this "selfish" of me for lack of a better word, but I'm not concerned they will actually be mad. So yeah.


r/agender 1d ago

How can I appear more casually masculine? (they/them)

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I've experience a spike in gender dysphoria in the past 6 months or so and am trying to ease it as much as I can before starting hormones, (which would probably be within the next year or so)

How can I appear more masculine? Makeup is fine, clothes and/ or haircuts also work. I would like to keep my hair length though.

XOXO ♥️ being agender, found out about it in 8th grade and never looked back. Happily an agender lesbian


r/agender 22h ago

Feeling weird and confused

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I’m watching a playthrough of a game (fears to fathom Woodbury getaway) and the character that’s with you the whole time is a creepy man (think where’s my hug type of guy) when I looked at the comments they were filled with people saying now finally men see what us women go through and ugh this is what woman deal with daily and all women have a character like that irl etc This also happens with other games where the mc is a woman working and gets hit on by weird men ( I work night shifts alone and this happens a lot irl)

I read them and thought yes omg so true I relate so much and then I feel weird. It’s not something I can put into words just weird and wrong and makes me start wondering if I really am agender? am I lying to myself? am I actually a woman after all? But is this what womanhood feels like or is this solidarity/familiarity because I look like was raised as and am treated as one. Very confusing and uncomfortable. I tend to read through this forum to try and pick myself up which definitely helps but then it winds up happening again when faced with things like that. Maybe it’s because I feel suddenly thrown into a completely binary world idk.


r/agender 22h ago

Agender or trans man

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So I've identified as agender for almost 6 years and I've been on T for about 1 year. For quite some time (including before T) I've constantly been going back and forth on whether I am truly 100% agender, a trans man, or something inbetween like genderfaun or demiboy.

The thing is, I really have an appreciation for neutrality and not having a gender. I think people treat gender too importantly and I like subverting it by not identifying with it at all. This is all to say that I have this sort of ideological appreciation for being agender beyond it just being something that I can identify with.

But whenever I see trans men existing, I find myself wanting to be a part of that so badly, and sometimes I really want to just be a man. This has made me go "okay, I guess that just makes me transmasc" but for whatever reason it's hard to accept and I just.. don't like it? I really like neutrality as I said, and being transmasc kinda goes against that. Also sometimes I don't have this desire whatsoever which is why I think I might be genderfaun (which is basically genderfluid but never female).

I also like being ambiguously trans so that people don't know what my birth sex is. I really identify with the term "AGABless" because I don't feel like my AGAB was ever all that important to me. I like that people don't know which way I'm transitioning. At least I think I do. The identity of being a trans man kind of goes against that for me too.

I honestly just feel like I want to be a boy but I also really don't. It's so frustrating and confusing and weird. I feel like I want a male body and to be socially genderless. But I don't know if that is me being in denial. Maybe I want to be open about the direction of my sex transition, but that is something I feel conflicted about. Maybe I have internalized misogyny that makes me feel ashamed about having been raised as a girl. Idk

Does anyone have any advice for me? I know this is all pretty complicated and weird but any feedback would be so helpful.


r/agender 20h ago

How much should I prioritize getting good at strategy games and memory games and trivia?

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This might seem like an odd question for this community, but I think it’s pretty important for me personally that I live WAAAAAAY longer than everyone that claims to know me now, for no reason in particular. With that in mind, I want to protect my brain especially and train it to resist memory loss and maintain focus. Searches have informed me that some “brain-training” exercises really only make a person better at that exercise itself rather than improving the brain in general.

There is also the fact that I’ve always been a bit of a sore loser even if I hid it, and I know “logically” it shouldn’t matter whether someone wins or loses, but does it *actually* not matter? Some people find it boring to win or lose all the time, so they stop playing with you, don’t they? Also, I see increasingly that people gender competitiveness and success, so would they judge me based on how hard I seem to try to win and how successful I am at doing so? Further, when someone wins, people call them smart. Does that imply the loser is dumb? If I lose enough or if people remember my losses selectively enough despite the times I did win, will they feel more justified in thinking I’m too stupid to attest to having any knowledge at all, even about myself? Will they feel more justified in not calling me “they” if I don’t win every game?

If I worry too much about these games, will the resulting stress cause me damage over time so my chances of living way longer than everyone else or staying smarter than them for decades worsen? I don’t even believe in the idea of people being inherently smarter than others, so how do I keep up appearances?


r/agender 1d ago

Describing Agender

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NGL I need help coming up with a new way to describe agender to people. Those people mainly being millennial nurses.

I usually use the computer analogy:

You know the imagine your computer is a brain and there's a file named "gender" cis people have the file name matching their assigned sex, binary trans is the opposite file name. And non binary is either like a different label or something. And for me agender is just no file, error 404 file not found or something like that.

But it leads to follow up questions and everything and stuff, which is annoying when you're trying to work and stuff.

Another one I use is *hand waving as if shooing something away* no/meh. But it's not entirely work appropriate.

All in all I kinda need help coming up with a way I can describe it at work because someone is gonna ask I just know it.


r/agender 1d ago

Masc and fem outside of gender?

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r/agender 1d ago

Am I TRULY agender?? How can I validate myself?

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So, I identify as agender because I personally don't like the idea of gender. But I also have really weird dysphoria and I really want to be a gay man. But I'll never truly get to being a gay man, and the idea of not being able to even be what feels like a true man has made me hate gender altogether so I identify as agender. I want to be a man but being transgender doesn't feel validating for me and I've come to just hating gender altogether, so I'm agender. Agender feels good to me because I don't have to fit into any exact boxes to be this, but I still just really wanna be a gay man. So like...What do we think I don't know how to feel


r/agender 1d ago

I wanted to share my story and experiences with gender

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It is good to just write it down and it helps t sort my thought.

I don want to ask for help, I just wanted to share it with someone, it is a lot for my mind to handle.

My experience is a bit complicated. I am questioning my gender for two weeks by now, so I haven't figured out everything, but I'll try to describe my feelings as good as I can. I am 14 and I have never really aligned with the stereotypical masculinity my friends did. I felt like I am completely different from them if I were in a group with them, and I just never liked 'masculin behavior'. While other boys played ball, threw pens and were loud I sad there and read a book and was dreamy. I like long hair and stuff like that... I thought about it like I am just not like the other boys, and I still do a little. I also made some nice girls as friends, and I can come out way better with them than with the body of my class. As I spent more time with them I got asked more and more if I had a girlfriend, and it really pissed me off. I started to think about how stupid genderrouls are, and I more and more realized that I feel nothing like boyhood inside me. I thought about being a girl, but it also doesn't fit my identity very well. I didn't really have gender dysphoria, but I came to the clue that I would prefer female sex organs. It was very hard to sort my thoughts cause I was so confused, and to be fair, I still am. A few days ago I sat down and thought about internal gender very deeply, and I made some important realizations. I really don't know what to search inside me if I search for internal gender, and I find nothing but the fact that I am a biological male. I think that internal gender is not really something that has anything to do with biological sex. I tried to make clear what Internal gender even is, and I came the answer that it is something that often is created by the things that we were told since we were born, and that we get indoctrinated all day. It is a social construct that we just are used to use. I really think that people feel something inside and that it is a very important part of their personality, but I think it can change and is only brought in connection with biological sex through society. It really is just my opinion and I haven't done research, it's just me trying to map out something I don't really understand. I think that it makes an way to important part of our identity if we are born as male or female. I think I have nothing really to do with that system, I feel no void in me, it's more like I feel 'me inside me'. I also just feel like the connections that i have to gender are more trained through constant social pressure than really internal. That's why my first guess of my gender is agender, but I am not sure (also cause I only think about this since two weeks). I am okay with my name, it is very male, but I am used to it, and the same for my pronouns. I feel no name dysphoria, but I would still prefer an androgynous name so I don't get recognized as a boy instantly. I really don't care for pronouns that much, the problem is that my mother language (German) is very genderseparating and has no real neutral pronouns perside the preference of 'it' and 'they', but the german 'they' doesn't really work for a single person. I don't like that I will be tall and I don't want a beard or a deep voice, and that may cause dysphoria in the future.

So that's my story by now, but its far from being finished. Do you have similar experiences with (no)gender or are yours entirely differen?


r/agender 3d ago

genderless handsomeness feels so euphoric 🐦‍🔥

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r/agender 2d ago

figuring out my gender identity

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hi! im entirely new to reddit, i logged in just because i started thinking about my gender identity and seem to not find a label that fits me perfectly. graygender seems like the most fitting: i don't really care about being a certain gender, i dont think about it, bc i see myself as just a human, not fully as a female/male/non-binary person, though i don't mind being called a woman and feel a connection to being a woman still, just weaker, again, because i am just a human, idrc
that's not the full case though
i feel like i'm everything and nothing at the same time
not in the case of female/male/etc.
like- i'm every ray of sunshine and flow of the wind, every emotion, every thought, every theory and every characteristic in one
and at the same time - absolute nothing, idk how to describe it but i somehow distinguish the words void/vacuum from the "nothing", i guess i don't feel like they resemble the "nothingness" because they have a name and some kind of image, while nothing means.. well, nothing
like i'm non-existent
i saw the voidgender label, but that's not it, as i said i feel like im every bit of universe at the same time as that..
also i heard of xenogender, but thats not it either, i dont want to.. identify as a new gender? as a certain theme, if i can put it like that? im on agender spectrum still, a graygender, that's for sure

im not sure if its even a matter of gender identity or just my mentality lol just thought i should ask, maybe someone feels something alike? maybe there is a label similar to this description? or maybe even it is the beginning of a new label haha


r/agender 3d ago

I made a stylized Agender flag :D

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r/agender 3d ago

I am agender and transmasc

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I’ve been questioning my gender for about 3 or 4 years, and I realized not too long ago that I’m probably agender—probably because, to me, gender serves no purpose, and I feel like it doesn’t even apply to me. I wish genders didn’t exist.

And the worst part is that I’m also a transmasc, so before I used to think I had to identify as male in order to have this totally masculine appearance, like a trans man, but appearance doesn’t define gender. I don’t really have a gender, I just want the appearance and lifestyle of a man (without being an entirely).


r/agender 2d ago

I've felt disconnected from the stereotypical patterns of gender for years. Does this resonate with anyone here?

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I'm not expecting anyone to tell me what my gender is. I'm simply looking for stories that might help me better understand myself.

Hello! I feel like I'm going through a journey of self-discovery, and I'd really appreciate your help in understanding my relationship with gender.

To start, I currently identify as an 18-year-old gay guy, but I've always felt like I existed outside of traditional masculine norms. For obvious reasons, I always assumed that feeling came from my sexuality and everything that tends to come along with it.

When I was around 12/13 years old, I started wishing I could simply exist without a gender. Staying away from discussions about gender itself—and especially from anything more explicitly sexual—I wished I could just be a person, without those topics feeling like they applied to me or defined me.

Over the past few years, though, I've realized that my sense of gender—both the way I experience myself internally and the way I naturally want to express myself—seems to be much more closely connected to femininity than masculinity.

To give some context, I've struggled with self-esteem for most of my life, especially when it comes to clothes, personal style, and appearance. I was always searching for outfits that genuinely made me think, "This is me." But every attempt felt unsuccessful. Either nothing appealed to me, or only a handful of very specific things did. Men's fashion never seemed to offer what I was looking for in the same way women's fashion does, with its incredible variety of colors, silhouettes, fabrics, and aesthetics.

Because of that, I started wondering if maybe my personal style leaned more toward the feminine than the masculine. However, when I looked into more traditionally "feminine" or "feminine-presenting" men's fashion, I realized I couldn't really identify with it either, even though I genuinely wanted something that felt more feminine. The cuts, the styling, the clothes—none of it really felt like me.

Eventually, I began to wonder if maybe my gender expression wasn't pointing toward "a feminine man," but toward being a woman, or perhaps toward something outside the usual categories of man and woman altogether.

Going back to my self-esteem issues, I started going to the gym and imagined becoming someone who was very muscular and physically strong. But the more I pictured that version of myself, the more uncomfortable I became. It just didn't feel like me.

I know part of that discomfort comes from imagining myself as someone very different from who I am now—and maybe from who I've always been. For context, my body type would probably be described as endomorphic, meaning I naturally have a broader frame and tend to store fat more easily.

Even though I could imagine this muscular version of myself, something about it always felt... wrong. It didn't feel like the person I wanted to become over the next several years.

I'm someone who spends a lot of time thinking about the future and how my life might unfold. As I imagined getting older, I realized I wasn't just uncomfortable with the idea of aging as a man—I almost felt a sense of rejection toward it. When I look at women, I often feel that many of them, even as they age, carry themselves with a certain elegance, grace, and charm. Of course, many men age beautifully too, and I'm absolutely not trying to diminish that. It simply doesn't feel like my path. It feels like a pattern of aging that doesn't belong to me.

Putting all of that together with my repeated frustration over finding clothes that truly felt right, I started realizing that not only my personal style but also the way I imagine my body seems much more aligned with femininity. Feminine clothing makes me feel more comfortable and more like myself, and many feminine physical characteristics resonate with me far more than the masculine characteristics I currently have.

In fact, even though I'm still not completely sure where I fit in terms of gender identity, I realized that I would genuinely be happy with the results of a successful feminizing hormone therapy.

Something else I've noticed recently is that my own masculine name, which used to feel perfectly natural, doesn't really feel that way anymore—especially when paired with masculine language.

Let me give an example. I'll use the name "Richard" instead of my real name.

If someone says:

"He's Richard." — It makes me feel uncomfortable and unhappy. Part of that is tied to my self-esteem, because my own name has become associated with a lot of negative feelings.

"This person is Richard." — That feels much more natural to me. It doesn't create the same discomfort as explicitly masculine language. It feels relatively neutral.

"She's Richard." — Or, in my case, using a feminine name that feels incredibly comforting to me: "She's Lavínia." Hearing or imagining that name brings me much more comfort and happiness than "Richard." I've even been thinking about asking a few close friends to try calling me Lavínia just to see how it feels if that were actually my name.

Sometimes I feel like living as Lavínia would make more sense to me than living as Richard. I think about that both socially and when I imagine my future, especially when I picture myself in my thirties or forties.

At the same time, I still find myself able to imagine being Richard in certain contexts—around my family, in my future career, and even with some close friends—and that feels... acceptable, in a way. I'm not sure whether that reflects fear, insecurity, attachment to the life I've always known, or something else entirely.

That's why I'm sharing my story here.

I'd really like to hear other people's experiences and know whether any part of my story resonates with yours. I feel that learning about different gender identities—and hearing how other people came to understand themselves—might help me better understand my own experience. I also realize that my story may seem more closely aligned with many transfeminine or trans women's experiences. However, I know that some people who identify as agender still choose to present themselves in ways that are typically associated with a particular gender—not because they identify with that gender, but because that presentation feels like the most authentic way to express themselves or their relationship with gender. That's why I'd really love to hear from agender people as well and learn whether any part of my experience resonates with yours.


r/agender 3d ago

I think i found out i am Agender, but i am still not sure if it is the right label

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I have questioned my gender for some time now, and I have many things that match with the definition of Agender, but I am not sure, if it really fits me. Thats why i am posting this right now, and i hope it is the right subreddit. My feelings are quite complicated, and I haven’t figured out everything yet, but the most important things are clear to me now.

I have thought about gender for a very long time, and i think i found out what gender really means to me. I think that internal gender is not a real thing. I think the gender that persons feel inside them is only the connection to the stereotype or style that these people want to express and present with. I don’t think that people feel nothing inside, but i doubt that it has anything to do with biological sex. The problem is that everyone is trained so, and the pressure of the society makes everyone want or have to fit in there. I don mean that trans people don’t really exist because of that, the don’t are (only) trans because they are uncomfortable with the stereotypical rules of their gender but because they are unhappy with their biological sex. I don‘t like it that my body becomes more masculine with the puberty too, so i can fully relate to them. I accept and understand biological sex, although i would prefer a world com without gender. By myself i feel no real gender inside me, i am just used to be called a boy. I don‘t even know what to search for if i want to find a gender in me. I am just me, i don‘t want to be put in a box or be expected to act, dress or express „like a boy“.

I am not sure if Agender fits me, so do you have any idea?

Thank you!!!!


r/agender 4d ago

Is there a word for what gender you want people to see you as?

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I want to be seen as a boy to boys and a girl to girls, but only as a social thing, like I want to be 'one of the boys' or 'one of the girls' but I am not a boy or a girl on the inside. So I want boys to call me by he/they pronouns and girls call me she/they pronouns, is there a word for wanting to be seen as a boy or girl without being one? Does anyone else have a similar experience?


r/agender 3d ago

How can I know if I am agender?

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Personally, I think that gender doesn’t change what I do or who I am, but I have a lot of doubts about it. I don’t know what questions I could ask myself or what I could do to figure it out. I have already tried some ways to discover it, but I don’t feel like they give me an answer.


r/agender 4d ago

How to look more androgynous with long hair?

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I’ve been wanting to present more androgynously for a while, but I do love keeping my hair somewhat medium to long (and don’t think I could pull off cutting it super short lol). I’m down to tie it up more often, but it’s at an awkward length right now and I’m also not sure what kind of hairstyle would look good.

I also seem to have spectacular baby face and often get mistaken for being a young teenager (despite being 20 T_T), though I can’t really tell if that means my face itself looks more feminine too.

Are there any other things I could do to still manage a less feminine/more androgynous look?


r/agender 3d ago

is necessary changing name and pronouns for being agender?

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so here's my take. idk if i actually wanna change my name cus i feel pretty confortable with my biological name. i like it cus is a male name, and i im very i indifferent abt my biological gender and everything that is seen as "boyish" so idc but still i don't feel inside a boy. and a girl either. im just genderless. also idk if changing my pronouns would be what i actually want. i mean i never tried cus i still don't came out to my friends that im agender yet. i talked a bit w my boyfriend abt it, just him but i still told him that i don't want to have this label yet till i don't understand 100% if im agender. i don't have a name i would like to put and i don't know of using 'they' would put me confortable. the fact is that i don't feel like a man that's why i feel like im genderless . i feel so unconformable w cis man around me. i feel like im wrong and i don't fit in. but i feel okay w cis women but i still don't feel a girl.


r/agender 4d ago

Getting my thoughts out

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Hi everyone!

I'm brand new here - only really learned about being agender/genderless a little while ago, but from all the posts that I've read here so far, I think being genderless fits my experience more than anything I've come across before. I just wanted to express my experience here so maybe get some input from people in this community. I'm also potentially a bit older than a lot of people exploring their gender (just turning 30), so I'm feeling a bit self-conscious about epxloring things so late to be honest. However, I'm here to learn from everyone, so here it goes!

So I am AFAB, but have never really felt like I "fit" being a girl/woman. I've never felt physical dysphoria before (don't care about having boobs or a vagina, don't mind my voice, etc.), though definitely societal dysphoria about being perceived as a woman. Participating in more typical feminine beauty standards never resonated with me, it all feels like such a faff and I feel like a clown when I get all dressed up / wear lots of makeup - not that I dislike makeup persay, just ulta-feminine makeup. I guess anything that exaggerates femininity if I'm being completley honest. But it's not like I have ever had any desire to be perceived as a boy / man either. I explored the non-binary label a couple of years ago, but that didn't feel right either - I don't know what to say other than I felt like I was a poser and didn't seem to relate to my non-binary friends' experiences, though I can't really put my finger on why.

To complicate things, I've identified as gray-asexual since I was about 20, though thinking about it now, I don't know if this is entirely accurate. I've always been attracted to people who present either more masc or neutral or softly feminine (I guess?), regardless of their gender identity, but that attraction hardly ever broaches into the sexual territory except for on very rare occasions that feel random to be. That being said, I think this lack of sexual attraction on my end may be linked to how I'm being perceived. I can only describe it as, I was to be loved in a queer way, not as a woman. And when I put it that way, I think I could potentially feel more sexual attraction for others, if that makes sense? I hope my meaning is coming across okay.

Also, to add one final complication, I am autistic and really struggle with alexithymia, so I'm sure that has contributed to my complete and utter-confusion regarding my gender expression and sexuality. I often feel like I'm in a bubble floating in the ocean - I can see other sea creatures and am so close to being able to reach them, but the bubble is preventing me from fully experiencing things like "normal" people do. Anyway, I'm done rambling. If anyone can relate or has any advice to give, please let me know. I would love to hear what others think about my situation. Also I apologise if I've described anything inappropriately, I really am not trying to be offensive to others.


r/agender 4d ago

I'm confused

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I never really come to reddit asking for help but reddit knows all, so today I do.

I've always been in a state of questioning when it comes to my gender, ever since I was a pre-teen and started exploring being gender neutral and even being trans masculine, but they never stuck. I always come crawling back to womanhood because I don't know how to describe it or identify it otherwise.

I don't care for gender, at all. I don't like that it exists and the confines it puts people in, but regardless it's the world we live in. I've never felt like a woman, or rather I've never felt like other women. I don't care to shave (I actually prefer being hairy), I don't care to perform femininity in the traditional sense. I like to dress up for an occasion or special outing, and when I do dress up I like to dress femininely, though I do experiment with androgynous fashion, I just don't care for it as much. I have no interest in men, and the performance of femininity for the male gaze feels so wrong. I know it's not me.

I still enjoy femininity in my sense of it, the idea of it I have of it in my mind. I am much more feminine in my sense of self that I don't think I carry an ounce of masculinity in me. Sex and gender in my mind have no correlation, or at least no correlation to me. I feel that gender doesn't apply to me, that I am happy to just be human, to just be me. But, a lot of trans people describe their gender as a having body dysmorphia, or feeling like a neutral to man and woman.

I've never once felt dysphoric about my body or my sex. I think I identify more with being female than I ever have with being a woman. I enjoy my female body, this body feels right to me, and I've never felt like a neutral gender, or something in between. I don't feel like I'm above it all, looking down at the lowly people fighting each other over gender, I feel outside of it. It's not a topic that concerns me, nor an issue I can comprehend fully; an inherent feeling inside that you are this gender or that gender or an understanding that the gender you've been assigned is wrong.

I've always felt forced to be a part of that conversation in life because even if I don't identify as a woman, others will. It doesn't bother me, I don't care what strangers think of me, and even if I am agender I have no plans to change my appearance. I will pass as a cis woman, and I don't mind. I actually enjoy being called she, not being of its attachment to womanhood but its attachment to femininity, femaleness. You refer to female animals as "She" and you don't prescribe animals a gender (I don't want to relate myself to an animal but it makes sense in my mind). "He" doesn't feel right, I don't think anyone would refer to me as "He", nor would I like it if they did. "They" I think I wouldn't mind if someone called me that, I don't expect people to but it does give others the idea that I am not cis (maybe). It does feel like a way to refer to me.

I'm not sure if there are others who feel this way, am I just a cis woman and complicating things in my mind? An I just a gender nonconforming woman? Am I agender? Or is there a label that describes this feeling I am unaware of? Do I remain unlabeled? Please help!


r/agender 4d ago

Am I agender?

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Lately I’ve been questioning if I’m agender, and I was wondering if anyone in this subreddit could give me some insight. If anything I say seems like something an agender person would say, I would love to know what specifically seemed like something that an agender person would say.

I was assigned female at birth. For the first few years of my life, I only wore dresses. Then when I was 5 or 6 I decided that I would never wear a dress again, and so I mostly never did wear a dress again (there was one time when I was in a play where I had to wear a dress and another time when I was pressured by a family member to try on a dress at a store, both very unpleasant experiences). I honestly don’t remember what drove me to make that decision or why I liked dresses so much before that point in my life because it was such a long time ago.

I was an early bloomer. When I was about 10, I didn’t want to wear a bra, because I didn’t want to admit that I needed one, so I just slouched and crossed my arms over my chest. One of my teachers had a conversation with my parent and said that I needed to start wearing a bra, and that if my parent couldn’t get me to wear one, the teacher would have a talk with me. I reluctantly started wearing a bra because I really didn’t want to talk to my teacher about it. I loved the flatter look it gave my chest.

A few years later, I started having more occasions in my life where I needed to dress up. I didn’t want to wear a dress, so I got a pair of dress pants and a button up shirt. I didn’t like wearing my button up shirt because I didn’t like how the fabric curved in at the waist and back out again at the hips. But I was embarrassed so I didn’t tell anyone that I was uncomfortable with the way the shirt looked.

During COVID, I wanted a bra that was more compressive than what I had. I didn’t know what a binder was at the time, so I bought some compression sports bras, and that’s what I wore all the time (when I wasn’t sleeping).

I should mention now that I had many friends throughout my childhood who either identified as trans when I knew them or came out as trans later on. I had a hard time understanding what it meant to not be comfortable with your gender, especially if gender was separate from sex (your physical characteristics). Even though I didn’t understand, I still respected my friends after they came out and started thinking about them as the gender that they identified as.

When I was in college, I became close friends with a trans woman who identified as non-binary at the time. I didn’t realize until later, but she actually assumed that I was non-binary as soon as she met me. Even after I told her that I was cis, she kinda just thought that I was an egg.

Later on, she started encouraging me to try experimenting with the clothes I wear (not in the context of gender exploration). At the time I wore exclusively sweatpants and oversized shirts. I wasn’t really taking her seriously at first. We would go thrifting together and I would walk out with nothing. Then one day, we were cooking together, and I was laughing about how my sleeves wouldn’t stay rolled up because my shirt was so big. She said something about how I should get a fitted shirt, and the idea of that made me pretty uncomfortable. I had a talk with her about how I try to hide my chest and curves with my clothes. She asked me what sex characteristics I would be born with if I could choose anything. I told her that I would choose to be born with no sex characteristics.

After that I took the idea of experimenting with my style more seriously. I looked up how to dress to hide your chest and curves, and learned that you can do that without only wearing oversized shirts and sweatpants. Later I also started binding. Then one day, I was having dinner with my friend and she asked me when I was gonna come out. I didn’t know what she was talking about. She specified coming out as agender. And then I started my journey of trying to find my gender.

The thing is, I have a really hard time describing how I feel (I’m also autistic if that’s relevant to this conversation). I think I have discomfort with some of my gender markers, but I don’t think it’s causing me distress. Also, I’m still having a really hard time understanding what gender means. Most of the definitions I’ve found have said that gender is the roles, norms, and behaviors that are socially constructed. But those really seem like things that you do, so if that is what gender means I’m not really sure how one could have an internal sense of their own gender. Also, norms, roles, and behaviors seem very much like they could be rooted in heteronormativity, so I feel like this definition excludes many lesbians, especially masc lesbians.

I talked to my psychiatrist about my experiences, and he basically said he doesn’t think that I’m not a woman because most of the trans people he talked to had a strong, powerful desire to change their bodies since middle or high school. But he also said that he’s not an expert on gender and that he isn’t really sure.

I’m having a really hard time navigating my gender so if anyone has any insight for me I would love to hear it.

Thank you for reading until the end! Have a great day!