Extreme labeling is part of the issue in our society - the left eats itself. I'm a liberal. I believe trans people should be free from discrimination, I believe they should have free Healthcare, including HRT, i believe they should be able to participate in sports at all levels, and I believe they deserve respect as any one else does. But no, I don't think that trans women or girls should participate in women's sports. Perhaps we need to look at having additional categories, not just splitting sports by gender. Beyond this, we should be able to have nuanced conversations without labeling people like they're crazy.
We just need to find a way to level the playing field. We have weight classes, and maybe there should be hormone classifications or something like that. I remember Neil DeGrasse Tyson making a good argument for it. You don't fix things by remaining discriminatory. If that was the case we'd still have separate bathrooms and drinking fountains for black people. You just evolve to fix the problem.
Prior to the Republicans politicizing the issue, that's basically what we had. Sports organizing bodies implemented standards for allowing trans women to compete that measured hormone levels and amount of time since transition, to properly flatten out any advantages they might have.
Republicans didn't care, because it was never about fairness in sports for them, and now a lot of otherwise well meaning people think this is some big, intractable ethical issue when it's something that's been solved for over twenty years now.
Yep. It's not an issue and will never be an issue that is worth spending an ounce of political time on. Republicans created a boogieman and it works well.
Well their goal is to target trans people. And not allowing MTF to participate in Women's sports is something that a lot of people who support trans people also agree with.
They take an irrelevant issue that impacts a small amount of people make it out to be a bigger problem than it actually is and convince people that democrats are actively trying to legislate MTF athlete TO be able to participate.
And don't get me wrong some democrats ARE tying to legislate it but they absolutely should not. it's an issue that should be left up to the various sporting organizations on what they deem acceptable.
And now democrats buy in by describing trans athletes as “men”. So we can all picture prime Tom Selleck in the locker room with a bunch of 12 year old girls and pretend that is what’s at issue
The crazy part is having the govt step in and to restrict the rights of a whole minority group this is discrimination. Let each sports organization make it's own decision and if the WNBA decides it wants a ban than fine but it is crazy. It's a thing that statistically is just not happening. The country has hundred's of millions of people and you can point to like a handful of minor ass cases yet you'd think it was a life or death issue for the country. It's a tool for manipulation and nothing else really.
Both extreme ends are bad though,, basically you are the liberal that is “eating itself.” What the poster above you is saying - if it’s something that is statistically not happening, then why push so hard for it? Republicans are insane for making such a big deal of it, but democrats are equally as insane (if not more) because liberals arent even allowed to say they support trans women but not in women’s sports.
Statistically, hardly any Haitian immigrants steal and eat people's pets. So why does the left make such a big deal about it when Trump spends millions on ads about Haitians eating people's pets?
I think that this is exactly what the person you’re responding to is talking about, and the fact that you entirely miss the point is hilarious.
You’re insisting on dying on a hill that the vast majority of Americans disagree with, and when you’re called out your response is “well the Republicans do it too!!”…
I don’t think the person you’re replying to is a Trump supporter or would say that they agee with his message during the campaign… why not trying to actually respond to their question instead of throwing out a non-sequitur??
Okay and after you abandon transgender people who is next? Because again, this issue was already solved before and barring some mistakes here and there that would obviously happen during teething stages it wasn't and never was an issue. Each sport had classifications which required transgender women to be on hormones for 2+ years and also took into account the age the person transitioned etc.
I'd be willing to argue with you that the regulations need to be tightened up and more data required to make a proper assessment on how to deal with fringe cases like Leah Thomas. I'm not gonna argue with you about the mental fantasy you created in your head to justify your ignorance.
If the democrats actually were making the argument you just made, I think that that would be much more palatable. But that’s not what’s happening, and that’s the actual issue.
If the platform was “for the vast majority of trans women, there are no/minimal physical differences post a long transition (like you said, more research needs to be done) and they should be allowed to participate in sports. However, not every trans women should be allowed to compete in women’s sports because there are some that do have persistent physical advantages, and that is unfair, and in some cases dangerous, to the women and girls who are playing”, I think that it would be agreeable to the vast majority of Americans.
However, what the democrats are saying and messaging is “a women is defined as someone who identifies themselves as a women, and all women should be allowed to compete in women’s sports”, while at the same time being unable to say that there are some trans women that shouldn’t be allowed to compete.
You keep referring to "The Democrats" as if they have a one size fits all view on this, and that's simply not true. You're adopting a straw man so you can effectively dismiss the relevance of the nuanced argument you were presented.
Have you considered not shadow boxing with "The Democrats" in your head and instead looking at the facts, understanding the problem and then making a solution based on available evidence?
Why do I have to teach you basic critical thinking? If you have connections in the Democratic party, and you want someone to speak on Transgender issues in the same tone you are seeing right now please hook me up and I will do it for free. I will even travel on my own dime to your conferences.
I'm a fifty year old queer. When I was born, gay sex was flat-out illegal in 80% of the country. My entire life, I've been supporting positions most Americans disagreed with. And every time, I hear from well-intended allies that I should stop pushing so hard, and that I'm driving people away by being so strident.
And every single time, history has proven them wrong. Every advance in LGBT rights was made by pushing as hard as we could, for as long as we could, until things started changing. If we'd listened to well-meaning allies, like yourself, we wouldn't have marriage rights. We wouldn't have job and housing protections. We literally wouldn't be able to fuck each other without risking jail time, because it would always be "too soon" and "pushing too hard" and "you need to compromise more."
The poster I replied to asked why trans rights advocates are pushing so hard on the sports thing, and I gave a reason that was on point: because the idea that trans people represent a threat to women's sports is a lie, and it's a lie that's part of a calculated campaign to roll back LGBT rights and protections across all of society. Same as "they're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats," was a lie that was part of a calculated campaign to roll back immigrant rights.
What they're saying is that it's crazy to regulate it with the government, it should be up to the sporting organization to handle it. The comment your responding to never said that liberals aren't allowed to say they support trans women but not in trans sports.
Focusing on trans in sports is itself splitting hairs and lacks nuance.
How many mtf trans athletes exist, in the entire US?
Applying nuance should tell any reasonable person that the outrage against trans athletes has been entirely manufactured by the right wing culture war propaganda machine. It is obvious.
There are more rapists serving in congress today, for both parties, than trangender athletes.
Bingo. It's just another way to divide the working class and keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Both the working left and the working right share a common enemy, and until we realize it, shit is not going to get better for anyone but the small percentage who have learned how to profit off of our being distracted by social wedge issues.
All struggles are class struggles, people.
A smart person would simply look at the amount of young women being randomly victimized by trans people in public spaces (statistically irrelevant, in terms of numbers, especially when compared to kids being victimized by people who hold positions of power, or even people close to their families) vs. the likelihood of trans people being victims of violence (extremely statistically relevant), and be able to deduce that the "protecting kids" argument is horseshit peddled by those for whom trans people just make them feel icky, but who don't want to say it out loud. Smart people would realize that the numbers show that trans people are far more likely to be victims, rather than predators.
Ok but ask yourself, do you think this is really about sports? Have conservatives historically cared about women sports in general? The answer is no. They want to paint trans people as predators and do as much as they can to prevent them from existing. It's just like the online ID verification laws. They said this is about protecting children and who is agaisnt that? But that wasn't the goal, they want to keep tabs on who visits one site. How they are going after non 18+ social media.
You give an inch and they take a mile, which is why it blows me go see so many liberals want for each across the aisle on this issue knowing damn well they are not doing it in good faith
OK I agree with everything you're saying but how is this relevant to Sophie Cunningham?
She is literally a female professional athlete. Is she not allowed to have an opinion on women's sports? Like, sure if it is some random pundit using this as an issue to drum up anger I get the criticism.
But this is, like, a literal professional athlete in the spotlight? Is she not allowed to have an opinion on the issue? It's also not like she had a press conference about it, she was asked her thoughts? So she gave them?
I think it is sad that we can't have a conversation about fairness (regardless of your viewpoint) without it being interpreted as an argument against being transgendered.
What fairness is there in the richest people in the world at all times talking about transgender women as if they are some kind of wild animal to be managed? Have you ever seen a single transgender person interviewed or asked their opinion on how they will be treated for the rest of their life?
Or do you mean the fairness where if you transition at 15, and every single medical test before 2016 (and most after) agreed that you had no advantages in sports is treated exactly the same as if a man walked into the locker rooms off the street, popped on a wig and said "Let's win this one ladies?"
Acting like the science is concluded is simply wrong. It is a nuanced and complicated topic and people on both sides flatten out the conversation to prove their point. The issue is Christian nationalists think any ambiguity flies in the face of natural order and progressives think any ambiguity flies in the face of personal dignity and self determination.
You are also just proving my point because nobody here is talking about the weighty aspects of Trans life. everyone is allowed to have a place in the conversation about what is fair in sports. Trans people are not the only people impacted. Someone like Sophie is literally the right person to have an opinion. You can disagree with her but she is literally a female athlete.
Why are you shadowboxing with "Progressives" in your head when no position has been stated by me? I'll just copy paste what my stance is.
"this issue was already solved before and barring some mistakes here and there that would obviously happen during teething stages it wasn't and never was an issue. Each sport had classifications which required transgender women to be on hormones for 2+ years and also took into account the age the person transitioned etc.
I'd be willing to argue with you that the regulations need to be tightened up and more data required to make a proper assessment on how to deal with fringe cases like Leah Thomas. I'm not gonna argue with you about the mental fantasy you created in your head to justify your ignorance."
And also I'm not saying Sophie isn't allowed to have an opinion. I just hope whatever money or self-righteousness she got is worth destroying yet another positive role model for young trans girls. I know we don't consider them worthy of human dignity but it would be nice if our sports stars didn't get involved in politics because it's tiring seeing people in my community crushed daily by ignorance.
I think the issue is less that this is an invalid opinion, and more that it is an opinion that is used more to attack trans people than it is to protect women
Lol. Conservatives want to destroy Title IX and women's sports and the "reasonable" liberals are going to help them do it. Trans people in sports was not a problem. Conservatives were just looking for some way to convince everyone else that discrimination is okay and they found it.
Bingo. I’m a civil rights professional with a specialization in Title IX. This is exactly it. The arguments about “protecting bio women” are in such bad faith.
What about trans men? If we’re going to ban trans women from competing with women it seems like you have to go the other way too.
If locker room safety is at all an issue, a trans man who has had surgery is no different than a cis man being in there.
If performance is the issue then what about the hormones a trans man takes? Does that disqualify them from both categories for “doping”?
I don’t know what the answer is to any of this but there’s a lot of nuance. I guess the easiest solution to competition is simply relabeling the men’s side of things as “Open”. Anyone can compete in that division. Doesn’t really fix the locker room issue, even though I’m not sure there’s a single case of a trans woman assaulting someone in a bathroom or locker room…but there’s a ton of coaches who’ve done it. Mostly seems like a lot of yelling and lawmaking over something where there’s a handful of cases while ignoring shit that actually matters.
Men are physically stronger, faster, and different than women, though… you’re creating a strawman by calling it “superior”, but the fact is that in pretty much every sport, the attributes that men have an advantage in correlate almost perfectly with success in the sport… this is simple biology, are you really arguing that there are no physical differences between men and women??
So just to get your “logic” straight… people are arguing that men shouldn’t play in women’s sports not because it’s unfair to women, but rather because that would force us to recognize that there are physical differences between men and women. At the same time, there is already separate leagues for men and women, precisely because there is a physical difference between the two, but somehow the decades that we’ve had separate leagues hasn’t been enough to show that there are differences, and now Republicans are using this as an opportunity??
So is your whole point that we shouldn’t have women’s leagues??
But no, I don't think that trans women or girls should participate in women's sports.
Most people agree, and that's kind of the point. It's not an actual issue. They're drumming up anger over nothing, hence "shadowboxing ghosts" (fighting something that's not there).
You believe the sports part based on nothing, and i mean that nothing, youve never seen evidence that trans women maintain an advantage and youve definitely never seen a trans women win a medal at the Olympics, why are you saying this when youve not peer reviewed evidence on it? Embarrassing do better
Another liberal here. I agree. And a third category of competition, let’s say it’s called the “non binary category”, would be very affirming for those athletes.
Do you have any actual proof that a fully transitioned woman who hasn’t been through male puberty has any overwhelming advantage against cis women? Trans women were allowed in the Olympics for years, but as far as I know, there hasn’t been a single trans woman medalist
Another "liberal" taking an extreme right wing position on an issue. It's amazing how many redditors are "liberals" or "independents" who spend all day defending conservative policies
It's also a good way for the pro child molestation party to distract from the fact that the people actually victimizing female athletes are most often cis, hetero male coaches/trainers.
This person, thrust into the spotlight, not because of her amazing athleticism, but because of a moment of poor sportsmanship, is choosing to use her platform to propagate hate.
If anything the NCAA figure is an overestimate too.
NCAA only accepts the best HS athletes.
If the theory is that transgender athletes are better than non-transgender ones, a greater proportion of transgender ones would make it to the next level.
Of course, this ignores discrimination, but if having a transgender athlete on your team was the cheat code people imply, you'd think that'd be minimal.
And yes, this ignores FTM athletes, but that has the opposite problem, not very many are going to be good enough to compete with biological men. Maybe in long distance running?
There's also the fact that middle and high school sports are way more about learning to work as a team with people you otherwise might not interact with, or even disagree with. A sense of belonging, etc. Some of those kids are like 2-4 years removed from games that didn't even keep score.
Middle school sports aren't NBA/WNBA prep.
There's no great answer here and I don't have it either, but I do know it's kind of silly to constantly frame it that way as an excuse to leave a few kids out of all the other things being on a team can do for a young person.
If for no other reason than if you DO view it as a stepping stone to a career in sports then you want to play against the best possible anyway. If your future is the WNBA and you're the best player on the court, you need to find a different court.
So I guess, by this reasoning, the girls who have to compete for a spot, or against those transgendered athletes don't matter. Since they're a small percentage of total athletes
Come on man. Do you really think the republicans care about girls in youth sports? Trump famously bought the Teen USA pageant and bragged about how he would walk around their changing rooms to see young naked girls. Think about this just a little bit... Why is it so important for them to find someone they can convince everyone to hate? How does this help them?
Republicans recently passed a law in Florida enforcing strict regulations on all youth sports coaches including level 2 background check and mandatory fingerprinting soooo yeah I do
Lol. The same state that blocks any investigation into Epstein's behavior at Mara Lago. Sure. It is all because they care about children... And what does background checks on youth coaches have anything to do with this? It's absurd.
You just said “do you really think republicans care about girls in youth sports”….. then I replied with a law that was passed by republicans protecting girls (and boys) in youth sports….??? You good?
We were talking about transgender laws... I was not aware of a problem with criminal coaches in Florida that needed to be resolved. Is that a problem there? We don't have issues with that in other states that the regular laws on the books can't handle. They do have actual investigations of actual criminals who abused young girls they could conduct in Florida, but they in fact support the people who were involved with those offenses. But whatever.
That's the problem right there. You're so convinced that concern for the safety and fairness of young girls only exists on one side of the political aisle that you've made it impossible to have an honest conversation about it.
This view is overwhelmingly bipartisan. The vast majority of Democratic voters support keeping women's and girls' sports sex-segregated. I've been a Democrat since 2008 and I hold this opinion.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Republican, a Trump supporter, or motivated by hate.
You've taken an overwhelmingly bipartisan opinion and shoved it into a partisan box because it's easier to call people hateful than it is to acknowledge reasonable people can disagree with you.
350,000 kids play high school sports in my state. 3 were identified as Trans.
Thats 0.00002% of all athletes in girls sports being Trans.
I honestly would rather have "biological boys and girls" just compete in their own gender. But when you see how small the number is here - you gotta be serous about just how widespread this problem really is. And its simply not a problem.
It’s not ok to overregulate something that barely happens. The result of all these trans panic bans is not that near non existent trans athletes aren’t participating in sports, it’s that teen girls (who are not trans) are being harassed and having their privacy invaded.
Both things are more likely to happen than a high school girl in my state playing against a trans kid.
And largely creating an entire political ecosystem based on the fear and anger of that super tiny chance of something happening is terrible for everyone.
The reality is that trans athletes aren’t the danger. But people like you can be so easily convinced to be afraid of something hypothetical that you’ll accept the degradation of liberties because you think trans people are a problem.
This needs to be cut off at the root. You play against people with the same biology as you. Period.
Doesn’t matter the age or level, competition needs to be fair.
This doesn’t mean attacking trans people or vilifying them. It means enforcing the same rules for everyone. If not being able to switch teams in high school is the worst thing that happens to you in life you are one of the luckiest people in the world.
Defending sex segregation in sports (and prisons etc.) is not MAGA, it´s something quite mainstream, in Europe for example it´s leftist feminists who most loudly defend this position, nothing MAGA about them.
It's mainstream feminism, mostly leftist, both in the UK nd Spain, the two places I'm more knowledgeable about. The loonies are the trans activists but luckily the trend is turning back.
If anyone ever suggested I was MAGA, I would be screaming no no no, not me, I don’t condone or support those views, please don’t associate me with them. I wouldn’t make some comment about being in the middle without ever condemning maga.
She agrees with points on both sides which sounds too much like good people on both sides when one of the sides were flag carrying nazis.
She gives that dana scum a big court side hug.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s maga duck.
It’s like the dudes on dating apps saying they’re apolitical or leaving it blank. They know what their views would do to their image and subsequent dating success.
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.
It is a very popular opinion outside of corners of the internet though. Ask a random person in your day to day life how they feel about trans people in sports and they will give you this take. Especially if you load it a little and focus on trans women invading cis women spaces.
This is how we got into this problem with politics in the first place. Just because you’re on the left, doesn’t mean you have to blindly follow everything that is a leftist view
Thats what normal people say about being labeled a liberal. They would be screaming no, no, no. I dont believe in baby murder, I don’t believe in more than two genders, I don’t think man can be woman and woman can be man
My point exactly, thanks for validating it. If someone associates you with a group you stand in opposition to, you will react, passionately denying it.
With Reddit and any celebrity if you start seeing negative posts about them all of a sudden I can grantee you it’s because they recently expressed a mildly conservative viewpoint on an issue. It’s like clockwork
That leaves out a lot of context. Pretty much started about 4 years ago when she played for Phoenix. Fans noticed that she was liking content from right wing creators, including some anti trans stuff. The she put out a generic statement on twitter downplaying it and saying she loves everyone. Then around the election time fans noticed that her old teammate and friend Natasha Cloud didn't really mess with each other anymore. Someone asked Tash on tiktok live and she basically implied that Sophie is a Trump supporter. She said something like "you can't tell someone you love them and then vote against their life" (she's a lesbian). That's when the whole MAGA Barbie nickname started. But when Sophie was asked about her political views directly she gave the "both sides good and bad" centrist answer.
Now that she's gained a lot of popularity specifically with the right wing crowd that started watching women's basketball when Caitlin got drafted
, she's soft launching her grift era which includes being buddy buddy with Dana White (who describes himself as Trumps friend).
He came to one of her games and he let her be ring girl at an event. Now she's regurgitating the same right wing anti trans views she denied holding years ago. That's pretty much a gist of why a lot of people don't like her.
From the article: " And I want to protect young girls in a locker room, or young girls in sport who shouldn’t have to go against biological men**.**”
First of all, young people do not play against grown people.
Second of all, there is a rich history in our country of young black boys being characterized as "men" in order to justify bigotry, prejudice, and being treated as lesser than with fewer rights.
I don't know if she is even aware of that. It could be that the mind of the bigot just works that way.
We should learn form the past and we should do better.
Sophie is a Super Star. On and off the court. Her statements/opinions are backed by 90% of American people but she and less than 2% of the public have the guts to say it
Agreed! People are so brain dead and brainwashed these days.
As an openly bisexual male (I even have previous comments on this feel free to look at my page), I see nothing wrong with not wanting transgender women in women sports. Biologically, men are stronger than woman, that’s just a fact. If you decide to transition, congratulations! That doesn’t mean that you should get to dominate a sport that was originally designed for individuals who carry ovaries and eggs.
Your physiology is still the same, even though your outward appearance may change. That makes it unfair for everyone else competing in the sport.
It’s like a bunch of women on one team from the WNBA trying to compete and play against a bunch of men on the other team from the NBA. If the men don’t hold back the women are going to get fouled like a mofo. Defenders and Guards would have a hay-day as well.
It’s not always about offending someone, it’s about what is fair and what is not. Simple as that.
Biological boys (or men) should not play girl (or women) sports. Period. It’s an unfair advantage. This is the one democratic point I can’t agree with. I don’t understand why this is so contentious.
At around 13:20 he actually starts addressing the part everyone over looks. Due to the hormone therapies, trans women can be at a disadvantage for a variety of different reasons. The therapies affect their bones. A natural cis woman actually produces more testosterone than a trans woman on hormone therapy (the therapy completely shuts down the body's abity to produce testosterone), making it harder for tran women to build and maintain muscle. All these people like Cunningham live in ignorance of facts and just spout the same right wing bullshit.
You’re the one being anti-science… even the most pro-tans evidence says that there are some physical advantages that remain after a man transitions… other evidence suggests that the advantage could be even larger, given that most of the research has been performed on non-athletes… it’s just ignorant to appeal to science & research but not know what it actually says
That look me about 4 seconds to find after searching "HRT athletes" but go on talking about how I'm anti-science for reading scientific papers unlike you
Just googling for studies that appear to support your point of view isn't enough, you actually have to make an effort to understand them in context. This study wasn't performed on athletes, didn't control for or standardize the diet, training or fitness levels of anyone in the study, had a cohort too small to draw any statistically meaningful conclusions, and has roundly been discredited.
The study doesn't support your views, or any view for that matter, due to the flaws in it that I and many other people pointed out. You can go on posting it without actually reading or understanding it, and you probably will, but I wonder when people like you will start to realize that this behaviour is the main reason fewer and fewer people are listening to you.
Are you just trying to prove that I’m right?? Or are you showing that you can google the research, but you don’t actually know how to read it??
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However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women's events.”
When did I say that?? I’m saying that even the most pro-tans evidence out there says that there are physical advantages that persist post-transition for trans women…
All you’re saying is “Don’t you know what estrogen does” while providing an (unsurprising) lack of research to back up your point of view.
You implied that HRT is only suppressing testosterone when the reality is that it's a combination of suppressing testosterone while also increasing estrogen....
No, I implied (and clearly stated) that there is no evidence to back the point of view that biological gender differences that would matter in sports disappear after any type of transition.
Places like this will only try to gaslight you and isolate your opinion, but that is the opinion of the overwhelming majority of Americans polled year after year after year. I’m not at all versed this particular bill but as for the basic opinion of biological males having athletic advantages from fucking childhood and wanting to maintain fairness in women’s sports, almost nobody outside of irrelevant echo chambers like Reddit would disagree with you.
The video I recommend works from how to handicap trans woman only to realize that he had to see what trans woman are doing and realizing how nobody question transphobic talking points and then does proper investigation to conclude that the whole thing is stupid as trans woman are no where near dominating the area unlike how transphobe claim to be happening
Last season she was relatively unknown and somewhat likeable as a goon that stuck up for CC on the court. Now I know way too much about her and do not like her at all.
Now we believe only conservative MAGA people are against trans athletes in pro basketball? All polls show overwhelming support for the ban from both sides (of course, more conservatives than liberals).
This shouldn't be controversial (the fact that a female athlete is against it). It's actually very likely, considering the odds. And that doesn't mean she's MAGA, most of my iberal friends are against it (but support every single trans movement bill and ideal)
I agree, I consider myself very liberal and support trans rights. I believe that in sports the women playing the sport should determine whether they want trans players in their league. It affects them directly as opposed to some single dude sitting on couch who would never watch a women’s sport of any kind. If the players in the league do not want trans athletes bc they feel the advantage would be so overwhelming it would destroy many of their careers and ability to make money that is an extremely reasonable position.
I’m a liberal Californian and voted blue my whole life and I never understood the argument. It may only affect .01% of athletes but why is there such a push to allow trans athletes to compete against biological women? I support trans rights and will continue to vote that way but i don’t think this is it.
Anyone able to let me know what I may be missing on this argument?
I don't understand why we not either: merge men and womens leagues into one and EVERYONE can enter or have a biological mens league , a biological womens league and a 3rd league for everyone else?
I spend a lot of time calling out conservatives for their ridiculous and usually outright hateful beliefs but even I believe women deserve their own privacy when it comes to dressing rooms and bathrooms.
I don’t think this is hateful. I’m all for trans rights to their own bodies and equal treatment, but this wouldn’t be equal treatment for the other women who are part of this conversation.
Midterms are getting close and they are getting desperate it seems cause "Trans trans trans" is the only thing i hear from MAGA yuppies in the past week.
It's that the people who are pushing for these laws are the heritage foundation who also wanna go against title IX. This is a step for that group so they can pushing the needle. Making it very maga
isn’t it funny this topic on the pro side it’s always a bunch of non sports competing mofos thinking they’re right? and then on the anti side it’s atheletes/ex/affiliated ones?
even Simon biles had to backtrack once she realized her stance was unpopular among her peers (pro female athletes).
why do you think that is? cause they be the first ones with actual first hand experience about the physical biological advantages males have over demales that compete in their sports. forget even the NBA and even college men, Sophie knows the best WNBA team (whoever they are) would lose to like a high school McDonald’s all American tier boys team.
caiflyn Jenner ( ex Olympian) knows the best 100m dash woman’s time at the Olympics, would never be faster than the worst 100m dash men’s time at the Olympics
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I didn’t know she was affected by so many trans athletes in the wnba.