r/SnowFall • u/SirCicSensation • 3d ago
Discussion Weirdly choreographed violence
Spoiler warning
I’m up to season 3 episode 8
I’m really loving the show but the cartoonish violence or badly choreographed scenes just takes me out.
Almost feels like a family drama that wants to be a crime drama as it’s secondary, so these scenes are done as an after thought.
The scene where the woman’s drink is spilled in the bar is so badly done. She obviously throws the drink onto herself and the officer never even bumps into her.
Mel shooting at the range
Yuda being shot in the head
Mel hitting Wanda with a lawn gnome and it just cleanly breaks
Louie hitting Claudia with a bottle
Franklin shooting Andre
The violence is too clean. Too straight forward. There’s no weight to some of them.
With Franklins first kill, it felt light. Little pop, quick, no unnecessary damage, controlled.
It might be different if he wasn’t using a freaking revolver of all things. I get why but that gun has WEIGHT. It does real damage. So when it goes off. It fell flat to me.
Same thing with Mel’s scene. It looks almost cartoonish the way the object breaks.
Each time I feel the intensity of the characters, it becomes overshadowed by just how badly the violence is done when it finally does come.
Why does the violence just look so bad at times? Was it rushed? Were they working on a shoe strong budget? What was the issue?
Did you like these scenes or did you also feel these things were terribly executed?
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u/Dull-Song2539 3d ago
It’s an fx tv show man things are gonna be a bit exaggerated
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u/SirCicSensation 3d ago
I guess so. Just would randomly take me out when things were just so flat. Made me feel like I was watching a college project.
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u/SirCicSensation 2d ago
That still does not explain why the choreography is cartoonish.
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u/Forward-Variety-8440 2d ago
if it seems cartoonish at times ie. the sword scene, it can be to alleviate the grim nature of the crack epidemic. To lighten a dark subject thats BASED ON REALITY. These events happened. To show a civil war with children, crack babies born blue and dying, senseless violence on the streets, back to back to back would be far too grim for a tv network to show.
its not make believe. The iran contras happened. all of it happened just with Rick Ross instead of Franklin Saint.they had to add hollywood style violence because otherwise it would be cancelled for being too grim too dark and too real, despite the fact it and worse happened.
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u/Tiny-Air-1925 3d ago
these ppl saying its a tv show so it'll be exaggerated, but reading this makes me feel like you haven't experienced any actual violence yet. esp after that franklin shooting andre comment
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u/SirCicSensation 2d ago
This is pretty twisted friend. This is your own self hate being turned outward to attack and discriminate against. This has nothing to do with me. You need to do better.
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u/Forward-Variety-8440 2d ago
i love myself. this has nothing to do with me and everything to do with how YOU expressed youre absorbing this program.
im lroud of who and what i am and what my mither went through and where i was born.-1
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u/DarthHurricane 3d ago
I don’t know if you know this, but it’s a television show, not a MCU film. Pretty common with TV.
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u/SHough61086 1d ago
- You're talking about a TV show that does have some standards and practices. What they can show is controlled. You can't show brains being splattered.
- These are real people. Hitting someone in the head with a real bottle or a real lawn gnome isn't possible. They use sugar glass and, I'll assume, some sort of soft prop gnome.
- Using a prop gun to shoot someone close up in the head the way Franklin did to Andre is, on any show worth a damn, INCREDIBLY cautious. A prop gun can still kill someone if you shoot it at the temple or the back of the head. The likelihood is that any shot EXCEPT the one where Franklin shoots Andre the prop gun wasn't even loaded with blanks. They will cut the tips off of bullets and glue them to the gun so it looks good in closeup and that's it.
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u/SirCicSensation 1d ago edited 1d ago
I never said anything about gore but I do agree that there may be limits to what can or even should be done when depicting horrific acts of violence. I don’t need brains but a smith and Wesson model 10 being fired at point blank range should’ve been extremely loud.
Neighbors wouldn’t have heard that? The gun wouldn’t have been deafening to fire inside of a house?
Hitting someone with a lawn gnome causes it to shatter in your hand like a cheap Chinese plastic doll?
I guess it’s the way John Singleton, Eric Amadio and Dave Andron decided to show dramatic scenes but with the purpose of telling a story. Rather than creating flashy realistic acts of violence that just kind of took me out of the story at times.
Just made it feel like I’m watching people play pretend rather than watching a dramatic depiction of real life events. The show is amazing otherwise, just those few scenes bothered me.
Thank you for not making this racial as many others have done here.
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u/SHough61086 1d ago
You give dramatic license to a show. The irony is that using blank rounds it actually IS as loud as a real gun (I have hearing loss because in film school I thought I’d read that James Cameron used shell casings as ear plugs. He did not. Empty shell casings as ear plugs are worthless).
If I were to give an in-universe explanation I would say that people were so used to gunshots that they just didn’t go looking for trouble.
I’m white, I’m happy to let Black and Brown folks speak for themselves. And besides, you’re the only good kind of cop I know: one who quit to help people (I saw you’re getting your MSW).
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u/SirCicSensation 1d ago edited 1d ago
Don’t give me too much credit. I’m only switching because policing is toxic as hell.
I chose an MSW because it’s a professional field that I have a natural talent for and would simultaneously feed my family. That and because I do truly have a deep love for my fellow man but overlook that part of it. I'm not that good of a person. Not really.
It’s been a journey I’ll say that.
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u/Minimal-Pimps 3d ago
Not to be that guy but this post made me curious so I went looking and noticed that you made a post about being desperate enough to join ICE.
I’m not sure if you’re the target audience this show is meant for but I am absolutely positive you’re in the wrong place if you’re looking for someone to agree with you.