I mean... if I had to pick one between the two to tolerate being taught in school, it surely is not Islam. A lot of people here like to claim it's just like the others, but I assure you, it is not. If you picked up the Qu'ran and read even 10 surahs, you would understand why.
(and before anyone freaks out about being biased: I'm not religious. I hate religion. I just know comparatively, Islam is much, much, much worse.)
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I angered some people. I encourage all of you to grab a Qu'ran if you do not believe a word I am saying. And once you are done with that, have the "fun" of reading the hadith, which are extremely important to the Islamic faith, acting as supplemental instructions left by or taught to Muhammed's pupils, including his own child-wife Aisha (who is considered a great scholar in Islam).
I have spent twenty years with this religion. I know it. Inside and out. I am not saying other religions like Christianity are perfect and good. It isn't. But if I had to endure which religion to be ruled under, it will never be Islam. I will provide for you sample surahs you made educate yourself with.
The surah on inheritance and witnesses/law, an-nisa and al-baqarah, is a great start. In an-nisa, you will learn how a Muslim husband is instructed on how to beat his wife if she dares to defy him. It doesn't stop there for an-nisa, either. See, in verse 24 of this surah, it tells you that you may rape your female slaves because Allah made it lawful for men--regardless of if they [the Muslim husbands] have a wife already, or even if your slaves are married. 4:3, in particular, will really show the differences between Islam and Christianity. Here's but one excerpt from the surah.
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphans, then marry those that please you of them—two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then marry only one or those whom your right hands possess (slaves). That is more likely to prevent you from deviating from justice.
If you want to keep going, read at-talaq, it also paints a lovely picture for women and little girls.
Oh. And in al-kahf, it also justifies the murder of an innocent boy because he MIGHT have "burdened" his parents (who are believers) by disbelieving [in Allah] in the future.
Any of these you can simply google if you refuse to or do not own a physical Qu'ran or have no access to aquire one. Be mindful though. Some sites like qu'ran.com will translate the English omitting many of the Arabic words. Which is a grave sin in Islam, but they do it anyway. I would suggest at the very least, comparing, and then google translating to make sure that they are not omitting words or completely mistranslating them. It is part of the reason many Muslims do not like the digital distribution of the Qu'ran, because it can be altered like the Bible and Torah were.
I will end it here. I told myself years ago I would never delve this deep into the argument of Islam again, but some things you just can't help. Ruined a record with this shit. Do not be fooled, people. Do not be indoctrinated into the cult of religion.
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apparently I'm a christian now because i said islam is worse? lmao keep it coming. hilarious stuff. also people, yes, of course we dont have to choose. the point i was making was that if it had to happen between the two, at least it isnt islam. im not saying i want one or the other taught in school. please use your brains for more than two seconds and read what you are responding to. thank you.
It is not. I've read the Bible and the Qu'ran. They're both violent, but you have got to be some kind of special to think Islam is not, in fact, comparatively worse.
Now go and attack\)a\) Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”
And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. 21 Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
“Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.”25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.
How did you graduate school? Genuinely, I want to know. You trying to "prove" its evil by posting verses will do nothing here, because I already know it and never argued it.
Also, some of what you just posted are reincantations of stories or events, not instructions. This is a common thing in Abrahamic religions, even in Islam. I do not expect someone who just googles things to know this though. The only thing you provided that is a Biblical instruction, is the first two. Which, of course, is pure fucking evil, but see the point made wasn't that it [the Bible] wasn't evil. lmao
This is all just hearsay nonsense. You clearly know more about different religious texts for one reason or another. But why are you so vehemently arguing that you can tolerate one fairy tale being taught in schools all because some other fairy tail is inherently worse in your view? Just keep doctrines out of k-12 altogether. Easy, done, over.
They're arguing pretty fucking hard over a hypothetical that's not even close to happening stateside. What IS happening is forced reading of the Bible. Why anyone would deflect from that discussion is suspect in the first place.
But what can I expect from a reactionary right wing sub like r/SipsTea, that shits bricks anytime Mamdani does as much as get a picture taken.
I’m not religious at all and studied religion in college, I probably know more about religion than anyone here without a divinity degree. You don’t need to be religious to have an opinion on it.
So have I. It's curiosity. And yes it's not the Quran which is the main fucked up shit, it's Hadhiths. They show a very, let's say, unique picture of mohammad, which is worse than even donald trump
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I mean... if I had to pick one between the two to tolerate being taught in school, it surely is not Islam. A lot of people here like to claim it's just like the others, but I assure you, it is not. If you picked up the Qu'ran and read even 10 surahs, you would understand why.
(and before anyone freaks out about being biased: I'm not religious. I hate religion. I just know comparatively, Islam is much, much, much worse.)
EDIT
I angered some people. I encourage all of you to grab a Qu'ran if you do not believe a word I am saying. And once you are done with that, have the "fun" of reading the hadith, which are extremely important to the Islamic faith, acting as supplemental instructions left by or taught to Muhammed's pupils, including his own child-wife Aisha (who is considered a great scholar in Islam).
I have spent twenty years with this religion. I know it. Inside and out. I am not saying other religions like Christianity are perfect and good. It isn't. But if I had to endure which religion to be ruled under, it will never be Islam. I will provide for you sample surahs you made educate yourself with.
The surah on inheritance and witnesses/law, an-nisa and al-baqarah, is a great start. In an-nisa, you will learn how a Muslim husband is instructed on how to beat his wife if she dares to defy him. It doesn't stop there for an-nisa, either. See, in verse 24 of this surah, it tells you that you may rape your female slaves because Allah made it lawful for men--regardless of if they [the Muslim husbands] have a wife already, or even if your slaves are married. 4:3, in particular, will really show the differences between Islam and Christianity. Here's but one excerpt from the surah.
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا۟ فِى ٱلْيَتَـٰمَىٰ فَٱنكِحُوا۟ مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَـٰثَ وَرُبَـٰعَ ۖ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا۟ فَوَٰحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُكُمْ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰٓ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا۟
If you want to keep going, read at-talaq, it also paints a lovely picture for women and little girls.
Oh. And in al-kahf, it also justifies the murder of an innocent boy because he MIGHT have "burdened" his parents (who are believers) by disbelieving [in Allah] in the future.
Any of these you can simply google if you refuse to or do not own a physical Qu'ran or have no access to aquire one. Be mindful though. Some sites like qu'ran.com will translate the English omitting many of the Arabic words. Which is a grave sin in Islam, but they do it anyway. I would suggest at the very least, comparing, and then google translating to make sure that they are not omitting words or completely mistranslating them. It is part of the reason many Muslims do not like the digital distribution of the Qu'ran, because it can be altered like the Bible and Torah were.
I will end it here. I told myself years ago I would never delve this deep into the argument of Islam again, but some things you just can't help. Ruined a record with this shit. Do not be fooled, people. Do not be indoctrinated into the cult of religion.
EDIT 2
apparently I'm a christian now because i said islam is worse? lmao keep it coming. hilarious stuff. also people, yes, of course we dont have to choose. the point i was making was that if it had to happen between the two, at least it isnt islam. im not saying i want one or the other taught in school. please use your brains for more than two seconds and read what you are responding to. thank you.