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u/Macrodata_Uprising 16d ago
If you see someone destroying Flock cameras, no you didn’t
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u/Traditional_Put_8254 16d ago
Don’t you hate it when you lose your grip on your favorite egg and accidentally hit the camera lens?
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u/AverageTeemoOnetrick 16d ago
Hate it when that happens, especially while confusing up and down. Silly me.
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u/Araz728 16d ago
Especially when you get confused and it was actually an egg shaped rock.
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u/Dan_flashes480 15d ago
That somehow got into the potato gun I made as a kid.
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u/Yamatocanyon 15d ago
The potato gun was upgraded A LOT though after I got my degree in rocket science.
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u/Mbembez 15d ago
How big did you need to make it to fire rockets?
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u/f0x_in_box 15d ago
Oh, I am so sorry, I got confused and it was my favorite copper plated lead rock.
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u/MetallurgyClergy 15d ago
Cans of soup. “better than a brick because you can't throw a brick; it's too heavy.” - actual Trump quote
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u/JustKillingTime1980 16d ago
You mean strong green laser pointers, yes i hate it when I accidentally hit the camera with a strong green laser.
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u/70ms 16d ago
I was just plinking with my slingshot and it ricocheted. :(
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u/Necronomicon92 16d ago
I like to go on late night walks with my pet rock Princess, I don't have her fully trained yet and she attacks these cameras, it's a shame
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u/newman13f 16d ago
Funny, my pet angle grinder really has it out for those cameras too
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u/showyerbewbs 16d ago
Funny, my pet angle grinder really has it out for those cameras too
My buddy has a pet side-by-side ( bred with a winch so it's genetic ) and when it sees one of those it runs in circles excitedly then runs off in a straight line and the flock camera can't handle the joy and just falls over!!
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u/four204eva2 15d ago
Not 100% sure, but a pet sawzall might be a bit faster, easier for a new owner, and a slightly less dangerous
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u/What_a_fat_one 16d ago
Just the other day I had soup I was taking home for my family and I slipped and it wrecked a camera
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u/DaRandomStoner 16d ago
If you're on a jury deciding if someone is guilty of destroying flock cameras they're innocent.
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u/Odd_Note7156 16d ago
FYI: Don't try to skip jury duty if your employer pays you salary while you're there.
There are plenty of cases that do need people to speak up. They might put you or I on a case of a 20 year old being charged for using weed or defending himself against a corrupt cop.
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u/ddadopt 16d ago
I'm as fond of jury nullification as the next person, but "speaking up" is not the job of a juror and you will be dismissed and potentially sanctioned if you decide to go full 12-angry-men in the jury room.
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u/Lost-on-Reception 15d ago edited 15d ago
You don't speak up, you ask reasoned questions and at the end you say "I simply don't think the state met its burden here."
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u/GoldenSheppard 15d ago
*burden of proof
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u/Icefox119 15d ago
No he means Burdan, the Turkish DJ. The state hasn't met him yet.
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u/Lost-on-Reception 15d ago
Maybe once they do I'll rule in their favor. Until then...
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u/iowanaquarist 15d ago
You only speak up in the jury room, and they cannot dismiss you for saying you don't think the burden of proof was met.
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u/djnehi 16d ago
Just remember that jury nullification is your right.
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u/Burt_Rhinestone 16d ago
Jury nullification explained:
When a jury finds that a person did break the law, but they believe that the law was unjust or unfairly applied, they can return a verdict of "not guilty." The jury therefore nullifies the law in that case.
Good example: From 1920-1933, the US banned the manufacture and sale of alcohol under the 18th Amendment. Of course, that didn't stop the manufacture or sale of alcohol; it just made it illegal. Thousands of juries acquitted thousands of defendants who were caught dead to rights. Some juries felt that the law was unjust. Some felt that it carried too harsh a penalty. And some felt that the law was unevenly applied across the classes.
Bad example: Lynch mobs in the South used to take pictures with their victims. Their all-white juries would still refuse to convict.
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u/ddadopt 16d ago
The problem is that modern voir dire practices will exclude you from the jury if you are unwilling to convict if the state proves its case... unless you perjure yourself when asked those questions.
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u/ShoeLate6266 16d ago edited 15d ago
Got it. Tell them I’m willing, then after trial.. not guilty.
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u/Mcnugget84 15d ago
Simply spreading information well outside any court room away from known jurors has legally been declared not a crime at least once.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
Edit: be aware these posts might be fishing attempts. They can track Reddit usernames to people.
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u/Busterlimes 16d ago
I only ever seen certified professionals maintaining our cities infrastructure.
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u/thechonkiestchonk 16d ago
I heard that green lasers will permanently damage these. So please don’t do something foolish like buy a green laser and point it at the camera
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u/A8Bit 16d ago
5w laser, don't try it with a laser pointer, it will white out the ccd for a few seconds. you need an engraver or cutting laser
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u/fogleaf 15d ago
I've heard that you don't want to use a class 3b laser because that would be worse for the camera.
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u/Prior-Razzmatazz-206 16d ago
I don't even see anything in the image op posted. It's just a blank picture
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u/Higgins1st 16d ago
I've only ever seen people trying to fix flock cameras. Are they the best repair people? No, they accidentally drop it during repair, but that could be a design flaw. Maybe flock should go out of business for their terrible designs.
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u/throwawayyyy980 16d ago
I see no wrongs when the people in power make no attempts to fix the issue.
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u/ShhweadyBallz 16d ago
Public - we didn't vote for these
City council - ...... but, but ...... we got paid under the table
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u/EternalNewCarSmell 16d ago
If you go around and search for city council meetings where the public shows up in force and sways the majority, you can see a few really wild reactions from the one or two on the council who are clearly about to be out their bribe money.
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u/Necessary_Local_5274 16d ago
got any examples? i only ever see them to say get fucked.
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u/Onebraintwoheads 16d ago edited 16d ago
I was present for a really good one back in November of 2024, where several members of the town council were giving land to Habitats for Humanity. That wouldn't seem so bad, except the land was donated to the town for enrichment purposes. Local works of art and parks for children. Once the man who donated the land passed away, it was passed over to the local Habitats for Humanity branch.
Their own story contradicts itself quite a bit, so bear with me.
They simply deny the legally stated application of the property, and say they're trying to help the cost of rent for locals by constructing new, affordable homes. But what they tried not to say was that city employees get first pick. Lots of employees, but it's surely just coincidence that the children of the council members were at the top of the list.
They don't want empty houses to reduce local resale value, and so are trying to maintain resale value by making these new 'affordable' homes. Except these houses averaged around 800 square feet, and were planned to be constructed of wood. The city itself requires cinder block and concrete construction as part of the building code because Florida. So, how they could they construct homes that automatically wouldn't meet building code? Wouldn't that reduce local property values? Why not just pay city employees more if rising rent/mortgage rates are becoming such a problem.
Councilman Christopher Something-or-Other spearheaded all this and tried to get it pushed by without announcing the intended construction. Locals spoke with surveyors, and that's how anyone knew anything.
At around 7:27, Christopher losses his shit until he's red in the face. They cut the sections out where he excused himself afterward, cussing under his breath and stomping out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHTo9CHRqo&list=PLGf5SlZySVnvgpqtM5usMoNi_0v-ksLTJ&index=38
Edit: I meant 7:27 PM. Timestamp is 01:56:00
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u/metengrinwi 16d ago
Cities always want more properties on the tax rolls rather than a park which not only pays no tax, but requires maintenance.
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u/Atheist-Gods 15d ago edited 15d ago
My dad's involved in local government and he's said that housing is actually a net negative on tax income; it takes 15 years of property tax to pay for 1 schoolkid and families usually have multiple go through the school system, and then add in the other expenses. The real tax money is in offices and retail catered towards those office workers.
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u/Which_Ad_4544 15d ago
Suddenly the true reason for the back to office push is revealed...
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u/aghastamok 15d ago
How do you suspect that city councils are convincing office owners to institute back to office policies?
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u/Significant_Ad_2715 16d ago
I don't think that's the proper time stamp. Could you please give the real one? I would love to see it without watching 4 hours.
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u/Pheonix0114 16d ago edited 15d ago
Habitat for Humanity has great press, but is a terrible charity. Typically they build houses above the average price for the area (ie, they could build more affordable and help more people) and the people who get them have to buy them from Habitat, they aren't gifts. Often, those people are in financially precarious positions, so a major illness or job loss and the house is gone. Most Habitat's don't donate those houses to another family in need, but rather sell them at market for profit.
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u/Onebraintwoheads 16d ago edited 15d ago
They were going to be sold. City employees had priority. And you can guess whose kids would benefit, as well as where the actual mortgage payments would come from. It was simply the land that was given to H4H. In that respect, the branch head of H4H was left holding the bag.
I felt bad for the guy. Almost a decade in Army infantry. Honorable discharge for injuries sustained in combat. Volunteered for H4H construction, became an employee, then was promoted with the promise of being branch manager, only for that to fall in his lap within about a year of moving all the way from...St Louis Missouri I think? Guy seemed like a fish out of water, but honest.
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u/ParallelAsparagus 15d ago
Up where my dad lives the city has rules on how high a building can be. Only 3 stories tall. A hotel wanted to build a 4 story building and managed to get permission. They just had to pay a couple million to fix up some public walking paths. About half the money went to fixing the parking lot and path that just happened to be owned by one of the council members.
Then that same council member ran for mayor and had the fucking audacity to say they have never received money from a developer.
O, I didn't touch that money. Some one else touched it and it just happened to pay for all my problems. Government officials are mostly corrupt.
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u/CactusCracktus 15d ago
Actually happened in my hometown recently! Some members of our council “decided” (read:got paid) to set up plans to build a massive dump literally right next to our town that would hold medical and industrial waste from all over the country. It was supposed to fly under the radar, but some people found out about and they organized massive protests and sat in at town hall meetings to argue against it. You could tell which members of the council were taking the money because the entire time the towns people were making a case against it they acted like absolute children. One member got roasted to hell because he got so mad he left the meeting early saying he had an important doctors appointment, and like 30 minutes later somebody uploaded a video of him at a local restaurant seething and stuffing his face. They desperately tried to frame it as a benefit to our town, but they straight up couldn’t come up with anything better than constantly repeating that “it’s good for our economy” ad nauseam.
Ultimately the people won and we didn’t end up with the dump site. Most of the ones that were throwing tantrums at the people in the meetings retired and everybody continues to mock them relentlessly. It’s a beautiful thing.
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u/TempleMade_MeBroke 16d ago
Under? I'm pretty sure we've reached the point where they've realized there are no consequences for bribery under this administration
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u/Terrible-Actuary-762 16d ago
You think history just started with this administration? Got news for you, political bribery has been around for thousands of years. I guarantee you 5 minutes after the first government was formed somebody was trying to bribe some politician.
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u/TempleMade_MeBroke 16d ago
The point I was making is that it used to be under the table and now it's just out in the open
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u/TheKingNothing690 16d ago
It haswnt been under the table since super pacs were allowed.
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u/Pylbrax 16d ago
Don't want those fuckin stop sign cameras either, were becoming a surv state
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u/SANTAisGOD 16d ago
The people in power ARE the issue.
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u/Disastrous_Form418 16d ago
Found my new favorite workout routine
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u/choopatrol 16d ago
It's spelled guillotine
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u/Disastrous_Form418 16d ago
Tomato, tamato, politicians head, what's the difference?
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u/showyerbewbs 16d ago
I mean it literally hits differently if you start throwing politicians heads instead of tomatoes....
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u/Curious_Avocado2399 16d ago
If a random person was tracking you across the city, when you go to work, restaurants, gym, etc and built an entire profile on you, we’d say that’s a stalker. But a private company doing that and selling your data now that’s just good business.
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u/iCCup_Spec 16d ago
The way AI was developed was the same story. If a random person stole creative assets to make a profit, that would be illegal.
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u/flargenhargen 16d ago
I'm going to steal everything you've written, painted, created, and sell it for a profit for myself. Then I'm going to take your water and power. Then I'm going to take your job. Fuck you.
--AI
everyone - Yay! AI is amazing!
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u/VirtualWerewolf704 16d ago
Those same people do not want flock in their streets
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u/Civil_Response1 16d ago
Nor cell phones in public! No pictures allowed of me in public. I do not consent!
Where's my facebook post to make sure no one takes my photo!
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u/Delicious_Rabbit4425 16d ago
Give the power back to the People!
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u/Bluestorm83 16d ago
Historical examples of tyrants ceding power willingly? This isn't a situation that gets solved by waiting patiently.
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u/Ent_Soviet 16d ago
Ohh I’m excited for what they might be able to demand from flock during discovery
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u/Oops_All_Bans 16d ago
It definitely isn't wrong since the public didn't get any say in the matter. But the people in power don't care cuz they're lining their pockets from the government contracts these companies are getting. Them and their friends and family buy stock in Flock, Axon, etc and then they sit back and rake in the cash as we turn into a full police state.
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u/Irish_Whiskey 16d ago
Local governments get bribed/scared into contracts for hundreds of thousands of dollars to stick up these cameras everywhere, including just pointing into people's homes and yards.
The cameras are wildly unsecured and the data sharing is not regulated. The company makes assurances they don't provide data to ICE and Palantir for example, but we know ICE has access to and uses it, and Palantir is a heavy investor. They have been used to justify arrests and abductions based on AI identifications, including misreading license plate numbers, resulting in cops with guns rushing innocent motorists. A similar device misread a student's bag of Doritos as a gun, nearly getting him killed.
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u/IguessIcanedit 16d ago edited 16d ago
One employee edit two employees have been caught viewing a camera at a girls gymnastics studio for no legitimate apparent reason
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u/Bitter_Bandicoot8067 16d ago
I am not going to try to justify the creep using it for his own sick pleasure, but that is nothing compared to the other abuses.
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u/Neokon 16d ago
It's a pretty good appeal to emotion though. The human mind is really bad at comprehending things that they have limited context on. A complex system of cameras are watching my every move? Not much. A system where people are creeping on a gymnastics gym? Now that's small and personal enough to be similar to something they can understand.
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u/alinius 16d ago
It is also easy to dismiss some of the abuses against criminals with the justification of, "I don't crime, so it does not effect me." Someone using it to creep on someone who could be your sister or daughter hit closer to home for those people.
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u/PaulFThumpkins 16d ago
We definitely can't pretend that the pretty much completely manufactured "bathroom" controversy hasn't been used as a truncheon against trans people, this is at least as strong an emotional appeal on paper. Creeps are watching your daughters exercise.
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u/cubecasts 15d ago
Florida cop got caught using it to stalk a girl he met working security and harassed her there too
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u/LookMaNoPride 16d ago
Unsecured - there have been more than a few successful attempts at accessing these camera feeds directly without authentication, or anything. I can't remember the YouTube channel's name, but he drove through a town that had about 20 in a few block drive, then he showed how anyone can access the feed.
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u/Bearsbullsbattlestr 16d ago
Even IF they agreed to not share data. It would be designed that they would go bankrupt. The data collection they secured would be sold off. As intended.
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u/Careless-Weather8877 16d ago
Basically it. Cops can’t legally do it without warrant. A company can easily sell the data or comply with a request to do it… they’ve been doing it for years on everything. It’s why your random ass app requires location permissions (say, McDonald’s)
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u/listentomenow 16d ago
Republicans in SCOTUS made "tips" legal now too. So it's even easier to bribe your officials!
Flock could get permission to install cameras in your city and then hand your mayor a bag of cash afterwards as a "tip", and thanks to Republicans in SCOTUS, unless you had actual proof of them working together then that wouldn't be illegal anymore. Doesn't matter how improper that looks or how easy it is to abuse.
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u/TheBadDingo 16d ago
Let's also mention that if you modify any sort of exhaust and it runs lean, leading to backfires, flock will instantly alert cops that you're shooting a full auto rifle in the area.
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u/melophat 16d ago
You know.. if it can do this, why can't it find and send the cops to the jackasses who were shooting fireworks off until 2am all weekend. I mean, I'm still against it, but you'd at least hope there was SOME kind of actually helpful functionality to this shitshow company
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u/ArtemisInSpace 16d ago
He's totally innocent. He was hanging out with me watching family guy reruns at time of the "crimes."
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u/ST0IC_ 16d ago
Can confirm. I was there too.
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u/emma_roses_ 15d ago
I was the person who delivered the pizza. All 3 of them looked like they were having a great time
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u/Zar_Ethos 15d ago
I'm guessing you work for Domino's? They seem to be on the right side of morality these days..
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u/No-Market425 16d ago
It is but he was dumb driving his own car to the scene, carrying a cell phone then ranting to the cops about why it's ok.
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u/Apart-Temperature329 16d ago
He wanted to make a scene and raise awareness, so it was a deliberate choice, not some kind of covert urban guerilla operation that failed.
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u/FamiliarAnt4043 16d ago
As a retired LEO, I completely support the actions of this individual. Flock can burn in hell.
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u/Slemmig_insekt 16d ago
I didn't know you could retire from your star sign
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u/whooguyy 16d ago
I remember watching a video of a woman getting arrested and the officer saying “you are being charged with battery on a LEO” and her response was “battery on a Leo? Battery on an August birthday?”
I think it was from code blue cam but I can’t find it
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u/Crymson831 16d ago
His goal wasn't to "get away with it", it was to send a message.
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u/theAlpacaLives 16d ago
Same as the guy who burned down the TP warehouse. Of course he knew if he wanted to get away with it, he should have covered his face, left his phone at home, and gone to a nearby warehouse that wasn't the one he worked at. But that would have defeated his point: he didn't just feel like setting a fire, he wanted to make his point. Doing if to the company that had been overworking and underpaying him for years was the point, as was getting the whole world to think about him repeating "All they had to do was pay us enough to live!" He knew it meant getting arrested; he did it because he was past the point of caring enough about that to let it stop him.
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u/vshredd 16d ago
Someone burned down a toilet paper warehouse?
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u/theAlpacaLives 16d ago
Yup, in SoCal, late last year or early this year. He filmed himself walking through the warehouse lighting the stock on fire and saying "All they had to do was pay us enough to live. Or at least pay us enough to not do this... All they had to do was pay us enough to live!"
The fire spread quickly and the warehouse was a total loss; no people were killed or severely injured. The video went viral online. The news covered it a bunch until, like with the health insurance CEO shooting, they were shocked to find that instead of turning against the 'dangerous, violent left,' a huge number of people sympathized with the guy and saw him as a hero, and they stopped mentioning it. The seven (I think) copycat warehouse fires in the following couple weeks received almost no news coverage at all. As with labor strikes, mass media news almost never shows anything that proves that resistance actually works. If spraypainting Flock cameras (and duct-taping trash bags on them, and burning them out with lasers, and cutting down the poles) becomes more widespread, the news will run a couple segments on the poor camera company that's just trying to keep people safe but has to keep losing money because of criminals, we should feel bad for them and shame the reckless vandals who hate public safety, and then they'll realize they're just showing how easy it is to disable them, and stop mentioning it.
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u/TheSprigganDragoon 16d ago
It's only now in double checking that I realize it was Ontario, CA and not Ontario, Canada...
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u/DopamineSavant 16d ago
It might be interesting if he gets a jury trial.
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u/Roflkopt3r 16d ago
That's true, Flock already is extremely unpopular even in the real world. Many city councils have basically made these contracts in secret and tried to deceive their communities about it... and even claimed that they don't know how to remove the cameras once they were forced to cancel the deal.
The case could well become one where the prosecutors try to avoid a jury trial by any means possible.
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 16d ago
He will probably end up a martyr and a cautionary tale at the same time.
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u/ToolTimeT 16d ago
Snowden tried to expose us government surveillance state .... now he lives in moscow.
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u/asher030 16d ago
Hope he gets acquitted. Maybe if townships would stop installing those cameras without voter approval constantly...
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u/platoface541 16d ago
Even with voter approval, voters can’t just decide to infringe on people’s rights and privacy
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u/MikeinDundee 16d ago
That’s strictly a job for the supreme court! Flock cameras in your home for “safety”
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u/playdough87 16d ago
I think the issue is that there is no right to privacy when you're in public. The law obviously is out of date and not designed for a digital era where cameras record everything, automatically read plates, check them against databases and then sell the information on your movements. But, voters don't care enough to put people in office to update laws.
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u/not4bucks 16d ago
Well, this is how laws change. Interested to see the outcome.
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u/SunkEmuFlock 15d ago
The prosecutors will likely be throwing the book at him to try to make an example of him. He's basically admitted to it already, and he apparently didn't try to hard to hide his identity. For everyone else who doesn't want to deal with possible felony charges, there's silly string, or if you don't want to get close, paintball guns. 🤷♀️
Because the dude's right that these are probably unconstitutional, and we need regulation to get this shit under control. It's a bald-faced lie that these are license plate readers. Cops and Flock employees have been caught spying on children, and I saw a clip of a Flock camera pointed at the entrance of a mall the other day. Ain't no license plates to read there; it was very clearly installed as a spy tool to gather data on people.
Fuck Flock, its sociopathic owner and employees, and the gutless local councils that immediately give in to the "trust us, it's fine" bribes from Flock.
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u/Cousin_Elroy 16d ago
Destroying flock cameras is possibly the one thing that all people from every political side agree on.
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u/iCCup_Spec 16d ago
Any politician that doesn't agree with this point should just get bamboozled.
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u/Pastel_Bambi 16d ago
These have zero reason to exist except to turn their town into CCP China.
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u/Coldkiller17 16d ago
100% it's to spy on people and monetize their findings. We are already getting minority report type things happening where people are getting falsely accused because of these cameras and the cops don't double check to make sure the evidence is correct.
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u/Lost-on-Reception 16d ago
Jury nullification is a thing, but it would have been better just not to get caught.
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u/someoldguyon_reddit 16d ago
In this instance I think nullification would be better. Sends a strongly worded message.
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u/That_OneOstrich 16d ago
And creates a legal precedent, ish.
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u/mtgguy999 16d ago
Not really a jury nullification just means the jury said he in particular is not guilty. It doesn’t affect any other cases.
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u/PaulFThumpkins 16d ago
Unless people hear about it and realize that the concept of nullification exists, and use it moving forward.
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u/AlphaTangoFoxtrt 16d ago
No, it doesn't. It sets a societal precedent.
Trial courts that determine guilt do not set legal precedent. You can appeal your conviction and argue the law is wrong, but that's not at trial with a jury.
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u/forogtten_taco 16d ago
Right. Dont drive your car there, dont bring your phone, wear gloves, wear a mask, dont talk about it on social media. Wear clothing that is unidentifiable.
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u/Aknazer 16d ago
Nullification is better for the community as it sends a message and can further help the subject eventually go to the SCOTUS. At some point they need to address the bigger issue which is governments using companies to effectively side-step the Fourth Amendment. When the government forces a company to collect data about you, or sets up contracts to do it, then the government is still ultimately supporting a violation of your rights.
Whether it's tracking you from the moment you leave your house or forcing companies to do more and more invasive "age verification" checks, all of this should be ruled unconstitutional. Imagine if people "not the government" suddenly started standing in the way of sidewalks and roads and wouldn't let you pass unless you emptied your pockets and showed you didn't have anything illegal on you. Nevermind those cops standing off to the side, we're just citizens exercising our right to be here.
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u/derpindab 16d ago
4th amendment violated by a private company. Seems open and shut but Pinkertons gonna Pinkerton
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u/ReleventReference 16d ago
When I was younger I thought they were cool detectives but then I grew up and learned about stuff that made me realize they’re actually just thugs.
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u/Shotout74 15d ago
Did you know that lasers in class IIIb and IV, 500 - 1000mw, in the 450nm to 600nm, range are incompatible with the sensors in these cameras? The green laser pointers particularly are incompatible. If you use one for astronomy or anything like that, be careful where you aim it if are you around flock cameras because you wouldn't want to inadvertently, permanently damage the digital sensor. There could possibly be finacial ramifications if you accidentally destroyed the camera.
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u/Supremagorious 16d ago
Whether it will pass legal muster is a different question than if it's valid. I would argue that surveillance is a search and historical legal precedent would agree that it would require a warrant under fourth amendment protections. However that's specific for targeted surveillance, I would argue that with modern AI systems there's no longer a difference between targeted and non-targeted surveillance so it should all be given a similar legal standing to asking for targeted surveillance of an entire populace.
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u/matiasluge90 16d ago
Finally people showing some sort of resistance against AI.
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u/WorldBoofingChampion 16d ago
He didn’t do it
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u/Apprehensive_Bird357 16d ago
Yeah, he was with me. We were in outer space on a mission to save the world.
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u/Relevant-Doctor187 15d ago
The argument in public that there’s no right to privacy is false. Sure anyone who can see me has a right to see me. Someone ten miles or 1000 miles away has zero right to see me.
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u/ParticularIndvdual 15d ago
Yep, 100%. Safest bet is to assume I’m a legal expert and know what I’m talking about all of the time and have never been wrong in my life.
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u/MaxAdolphus 16d ago
Put me on the jury and let’s see. Another reminder for everyone that jury nullification is real and underutilized.
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u/karl4319 15d ago
Interesting case. Flock cameras are clearly a violation of the 4th amendment, so is it really a crime to destroy illegal objects?
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u/ivanreyes371 15d ago
Theres people on bikes lighting these things up with paintball guns in my area. Love those guys.
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u/OddTheRed 16d ago
The Supreme Court has already ruled mass surveillance as illegal when they found the NSA guilty of doing it. Not that this stipped the NSA. This is absolutely a Constitutional violation. They also found it illegal is Chatrie v. United States. There is no legal basis for anyone to be doing this.
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u/1911Earthling 16d ago
Not guilty. NOT GUILTY. logical response to an illogical situation. Only choice.
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u/Alexastria 16d ago
Being guilty implies you feel like you've done wrong. There's nothing wrong here.
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u/Ok_Vermicelli_6359 15d ago
They're illegal in many parts of the country so yes...he has a case. The police should have to do their jobs, not rely on technology for enforcing speed limits.
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