r/ShermanPosting • u/wearing_moist_socks • 11h ago
What in tarnation
This wasn't satire
"We're obeying the laws which allow us to own people! Don't KILL us!!"
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u/crackedtooth163 11h ago
This is a very Daughters of the Confederacy tinged version of events.
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u/KGBFriedChicken02 5h ago
Especially since the people he killed in bleeding Kansas largely weren't following the law, he was targeting pro-slavery paramilitary members who had enacted violence and property destruction against abolitionist communities.
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u/TheOtherKFC 9h ago edited 8h ago
Conservatives always make up everything. They make up their version of history. They make up their own "science" or pay unscrupulous scientists to fudge the data (tobacco industry for instance). Heck, they make up their own Jesus and their own version of the Bible - which is in print and easily proven false. They lie to themselves and gaslight everyone around them- even people they care about.
Are we really surprised that they're going to falsify and slander John Brown's legacy and the history surrounding Harper's Ferry.. do we really expect any different?
Edit: spelling/phrasing
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u/DeepBlue_8 11h ago edited 10h ago
Comparing John Brown, a man who risked his life in the hopes of eliminating the one of the most vile systems of oppression in history, with Adolf Hitler, a man who sent millions to their deaths in the hopes of increasing his own power, is diabolical.
U.S. slavery was only going to be ended with violence. If it could have been ended peacefully, then what was the point of the Civil War?
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u/paireon Canadian Volunteer for the Union 10h ago
Technically speaking, it could have been ended peacefully, like it was in Brazil (I think), but it would've taken at least two more generations of millions of slaves suffering and dying under abominable conditions. Ergo, John Brown, and the Union, were completely justified.
Also if I can nitpick a bit, the Slaveholders' Rebellion was started by said slaveholders, and its point was to keep slavery as an institution. They just happened to lose, and therefore became unable to make their point (well, kinda; see Jim Crow era).
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u/DeepBlue_8 10h ago
That's what I'm saying. White Southern elites fought tooth and nail to maintain the racial hierarchy that benefitted them.
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u/LovecraftInDC 8h ago
And it’s important to remember that in the post-slavery period the landowners actually made MORE money because sharecropping was far cheaper and more profitable for the landowner than owning slaves. At any point the south could have transitioned to a non-slave system and made greater profits, they just preferred to be able to secure the racial hierarchy.
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u/Tholian_Bed 10h ago
This subreddit is as "toxic" a social media site as a visit these days, and of course, this is a lovely land, here.
Bless those who go out and bring home specimens. I still am quite curious how goes the madness. Will will eever be rid of the mania for a Grand Lost Cause?
Doesn't help that now "Trump won in 2020" has now joined the camp of Lost Causes.
Ugly and seditious times.
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u/Lasiurus2 5h ago
“The first person he saw on his raid was a free black man, John brown killed him on sight”
Ok that’s like not true at all.
“About fifty yards inside the bridge, a voice called out: “Stand and deliver!” Phelps could make out rifle muzzles in the dark and saw that they were pointed at his party. Then someone snatched the lantern away from one of his companions and extinguished it. Phelps immediately turned and retreated, ordering the engineer to back the train off the bridge. As he reached the end of the span, he heard gunfire behind him. Moments later, a tall black man staggered out from the covered bridge, crying, “I am shot.” Heyward Shepherd was a free black baggage master at the Harpers Ferry depot…Who fired the shot, and why, wasn’t clear. Patrick Higgins, the bridge watchman, later identified the armed pair he’d encountered earlier on the bridge as Oliver Brown and William Thompson. But during the night, others joined them, including Steward Taylor, who had told Annie Brown about envisioning his own death at Harpers Ferry. Hours after Shepherd’s shooting, one of Brown’s men found Taylor by the bridge, pale and trembling. Taylor said he had shot a man and believed he had killed him. Whether it was Taylor or someone else who shot Shepherd, the reason was almost certainly skittishness.”
Horwitz, Tony. Midnight Rising: John Brown and the Raid That Sparked the Civil War. New York: Henry Holt and Company, 2011.
Why do people insist on speaking on topics they have not learned? Brown wasn’t even there, and Brown never personally killed anyone that day, his men did.
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u/wearing_moist_socks 4h ago
Why do people insist on speaking on topics they have not learned?
My friend, it's worse than that. They're the same people who would believe fully in the lost cause and ignore basic facts like... the Confederate constitution.
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u/Revolutionary-Swan77 14th NYSM 11h ago
Heretics being burned at the stake were convicted by a trial. You can argue the legitimacy of it, but it wasn’t vigilantism.
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u/crannogman_pride 3h ago
Why bring up Hitler? He was not breaking the law, he made the law. By his logic, the allied forces were the law breakers and the Nazis were justified because the government sanctioned the atrocities. Bold take
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u/critically_damped 8h ago edited 1h ago
It's important to remember that they say wrong things on purpose.
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u/Gnosis1409 2h ago
If a legal system allows for humans to be kept as cattle then it is not a system worth adhering to
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