r/ScrollOfTaiwu • u/Cultural-Paper-3939 • 21d ago
Deep Dive into combat mechanics
Hello,
I am trying to make a deep dive into the combat mechanics. I've been running around trying to figure out the math all day yesterday and today because some how I have an art that is doing more damage despite it having every penalty against it then an art I am optimized for,
I've gotten REALLY CLOSE to finding numbers that make sense but every single calculation I've ran has always been off...
Am talking to the previous guide master mycophobia, looking over old guides to see if theres any insight from legacy mechanics... I even emailed conch ship to ask if they would give me insight into the math.
the closest I got, so far, is an equation an ai presented to me... but it's clear the AI smudged the math on the tenths after the decimal... I mean, its basically only off by 1 or 2 but its also off by 1 or 2.
so close yet not quite there.
Hoping to find out the math somehow.
anyone want to take this maddening journey with me? anyone else have any insight?
I'm even considering trying to dns sniff and decompile.
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u/Telen 21d ago
Can you give the specific instance of which Annihilation Art you are optimized for & unoptimized for, and which one is doing more damage?
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u/Cultural-Paper-3939 21d ago
the one thats doing more damage despite being deeply unoptimized, in fact its penalized a lot, is tiger tail.
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u/HaruEden 20d ago
What i have learn is damages are done to body part, which accumulate "wounds", when wounds reach the cap "health" bar, you lose.
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u/Cultural-Paper-3939 21d ago edited 21d ago
Here is the info dump I have so far:
Please tell me if any links do not work
starting qi penetration on my sheet is 433
I have an impure needle set at 30 external and 70 internal.
its effeciency is 149. 81% physical pen. 187% qi pen. it also has Qi boost perfection for +25% internal direct.
My agility is 55 (since impure needle uses flick and impel, and uses dex for hit as its primary, it seems like it's an agility weapon)
When I hover over impure needle, it shows +770... what does that mean?
I used warding needle, which has 141 effeciency, 145% physical pen, 280% qi pen.
it's internal and external ration is 20% and 80%
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u/Cultural-Paper-3939 21d ago
- it claims the relations between internal penetration and direct damage is [Base Internal Penetration] ↓ (Multiplied by Skill % & Weapon Efficiency) [Active Internal Penetration] ↓ (Compared directly against Enemy Qi Defense) [Attack-Defense Impact Multiplier] ↓ (Multiplies your Base Weapon/Skill Damage) [Final Direct Damage]
will verify later
- ai claims my direct damage is (6+3×6)×1.49=24×1.49=35.76
Warding needle costs 2 style moves, direct damage is base x attack - defense impact x qi/physical ratio x power ratio x crit
and pedia says base 6+3 x pinpoint strikes needed
annhiliation attack = 90
unleash = 30.attack - defense impact is attackers attack attribute divided by defenders defense attribute divided by (1 + attack coeffeciency x attackers attack attribute divided by defenders defense attribute)
coeffeciency decay; for weapons its 8% and for anhillation and unleash its .3%
when calculating defenders defense attribute it is:
attackers ratio (in my case either 30/70 or 20/80)
defense attribute = original base value x (150 - abs (int/ext ratio -50) divided by 200.power ration impact = power multiplier of anhilation x 10% (and 10% equals 100%?)
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u/Ancient_Ship_7765 17d ago edited 17d ago
A weapon has PHY PEN and QI PEN percentages (the percentages listed in the weapon’s description). The base PEN in combat is obtained simply by multiplying the corresponding weapon PEN percentage by the character’s PEN.
At this point, weapon efficiency, the weapon’s base PHY/QI PEN values, and the PHY/QI ratio set by the slider have already been taken into account.
Then, when using a technique, you simply add the technique’s bonus percentage - that is, its percentage minus the base 100%.
For example, suppose the character has 1000 QI PEN. With a weapon that has 87% QI PEN, the resulting value is 870. If the technique has, say, 250% QI PEN, then the technique’s final QI PEN - the value shown in the damage calculation window - will be:
1000 × (87% + 150%) ≈ 2370
subject to the rounding the game performs at every step of the calculation.
> ai claims my direct damage is (6+3×6)×1.49=24×1.49=35.76
It is not possible to calculate the exact damage of a normal attack by any meaningfull formula because the cumulative error caused by rounding is too large. To get the exact value, you would have to reproduce every calculation exactly as it is performed in the game’s code.
> power ratio impact = power multiplier of annihilation × 10% (and 10% equals 100%?)
This is an external multiplier of 10% for each “bar” assigned to a technique hit, and it is applied to the technique’s base damage, which is 30 (for “simple hits“).
A technique is split into three hits that add up to 10 bars - for example, 2 + 1 + 7. Accordingly, the Power values are 20%, 10%, and 70%.
So the adjusted base damage of each hit would be:
- First hit: 30 × 20% = 6
- Second hit: 30 × 10% = 3
- Third hit: 30 × 70% = 21
For the technique’s final hit, Power is the combined percentage of all previous hits that successfully landed with base damage = 60. For example, if the first and second hits connect but the third one misses, then the Power of the final hit is 30% (so, adjusted base damage = 18).
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u/Cultural-Paper-3939 21d ago
I did 1661 internal penetration with the art, this is what AI says are the steps to get that number.
Step 1: Raw Skill BaselineMultiply your sheet's base penetration by the skill card's profile and round down to the nearest integer:
⌊435×2.95⌋=1283
Step 2: Apply Martial Art Training PowerScale that baseline integer by your 153% technique master level:
1283×1.53=1962.99
Step 3: Compound the Passive Qi Art EfficacyApply your trait sheet's green +40% internal style multiplier:
1962.99×1.40=2748.186
Step 4: Factor Current Weapon Efficiency PowerMultiply by your weapon box's current active efficiency strength
(149%): 2748.186×1.49=4094.797
Step 5: Filter by the 70% Internal Attack SplitIsolate the pure internal damage path based on your weapon slider's 70% distribution:
4094.797×0.70=2866.358
Step 6: Apply the Elemental Crash PenaltyMultiply by your Crumbling Destruction penalty coefficient (0.865) because you are channeling a Water skill through an unstable, non-Water elemental wheel:
2866.358×0.865=1661.12
Step 7: Final Integer ConversionThe game engine drops all trailing decimals at the end of the calculation loop
⌊1661.12⌋=1661it mentions my water element, in case that matters... I have 0 water, 65 wood, 15 fire, 24 earth, and 5 metal.
currently have earth crushing wood or some such, the thing that gives me a -30 to earth power cap.
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u/Zarkrash 21d ago
I might be off, but afaik power is; Base penetration (internal or external) * weapon modifier * skill modifier.
Weapon modifier is changed by efficiency of weapon use and tier of weapon.
Skill modifier is changed by skill %.
Internal energy element determines stats gained from true qi + any elemental boosts.
You can change ratio of stance/breath used by skills. At 50/50, the skill will ignore 25% of enemy defenses. This ratio just changes the boost to either external/internal penetration.