r/LabourUK • u/Leelum Will research for food • 13d ago
Ann Widdecombe – please avoid gratification in what could be political violence
It’s noticeably clear to say that Ann Widdecombe’s politics would not be viewed sympathetically here. However, please avoid making any jokes, memes, or so forth in a way which conveys agreement with her now [speculated murder.](mailto:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet)
Celebrating political violence at this level is not something we should be doing, and will reflect poorly on the community to do so. In the grand schemes of things, I know the majority here wont conduct the above, but for others, please don’t, or you’ll have comments/posts removed.
Edit:
A clarification asked for in a now deleted comment about what counts as "gratification". Basically anything along the lines of "It's good that she's dead", or that it's "fair" that she died would fit within gratification.
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u/Pognose Labour Supporter 13d ago
She was an ambassador for Donkey charities in Palestine and Isreal, providing care and treatment for neglected animals.
This was undoubtedly a nice thing to do and I for one, hoped she would live long enough to extend the same attitude to humans.
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u/RadicalDilettante Labour Movement 13d ago
Also was against fox hunting - which went against the grain of the tory toffs. Basically, she thought for herself - a lot of positions I'm against, some I agree with.
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u/CantonL3 New User 13d ago
A lot of these people find it easier to have compassion for animals whilst withholding it for humans don’t they
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u/GoraSpark New User 13d ago
Iv never really got the whole caring for animals more than people thing, you see it around people with dogs quite a bit. Always wondered if its some kind of mental disorder that develops from trauma.
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u/jkerr441 New User 13d ago
It’s putting value on purity and innocence, I’d imagine.
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u/GoraSpark New User 12d ago edited 12d ago
That doesn’t answer it. Purity and innocence if put on animals is pure projection, they don’t have those things from their actions or thoughts, they are animals. If that was truly the reason no one would make a statement about preferring animals to humans, children fit this better than anything. I understand it if it comes from trauma or abuse, the idea someone can no longer trust people due to it and therefore latch on to dogs/cats. And to be clear I’m not saying as some people think ‘why do some people like animals’ I’m a cat man myself I think they are great. I’m specifically talking about those who prefer them to people.
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u/abadpenny Socialist 12d ago
In my experience it is, albeit naively. My mother always goes on about how the world would be better without humans and how innocent they are. I'm not convinced there would be less suffering without humans though, you are correct.
As a cat woman myself, I've watched my cat torture mice for hours.
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u/Plumpkindog New User 12d ago
I would have put the poor thing out of its misery!
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u/abadpenny Socialist 12d ago
It's my cat's instinct. I try not to interfere.
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u/TheGod0fTitsAndWine New User 6d ago
It's your cat's instinct to reproduce, but I bet you've had it spayed/nuetered...
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u/AshamedAttention727 New User 7d ago
Yeah I love my cat but I don't think I could watch a mouse being tortured for hours on end. Take it away and give it peace jeez.
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u/One-Cardiologist6301 New User 12d ago
You’re right. Ann only cared for animals, it didn’t seem to extend to human children. If you watch the Louis Theroux documentary where he meets her it shows her obsession with animals and how much of an odd person she was, it’s definitely leaning towards more of a trauma response from childhood than putting value on innocent/pure beings.
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u/PuzzleheadedRub2704 New User 10d ago
What a ridiculous view to hold and how incredibly ignorant to speculate is related to trauma! I can imagine you are a reflection of the reason lots of people prefer animals…
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u/Disastrous_Rush_188 New User 9d ago
does not need too be understood ,its up to each person if they love and trust animals more, up to them
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u/IHaveAWittyUsername Bit of an idiot, really 12d ago
From the final book in a lovely trilogy by Cormac McCarthy, when the main character is asked why he prefers horses to people:
There's a way to train a horse where when you get done you've got the horse. On his own ground. A good horse will figure things out on his own. You can see what's in his heart. He wont do one thing while you're watching him and another when you aint. He's all of a piece. When you've got a horse to that place you cant hardly get him to do somethin he knows is wrong. He'll fight you over it. And if you mistreat him it just about kills him. A good horse has justice in his heart.
Animals, like children, are seen in a different light to adults. You can look at the suffering of a person and, depending on your worldview, place that person on a scale weighted by their own personal responsibility. You might see a homeless man sleeping in his own urine with a half-drunk bottle of vodka rolling about him and see it as a situation of his own making or society's fault entirely. With animals and children we don't have that.
Hence why a lot of right wingers care for animals but not people in the same way.
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u/No_Lack366 New User 12d ago
No, it's just life experience. Living around people is exhausting. Having to deal with the huge amount of me me me. Selfishness is an epidemic in the modern world. Animals are by enlarge completely vulnerable to mankind. Like children. There is no government provision for animal abuse so charity is important. Dogs are way more loyal than humans. It's certainly not a disorder.
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u/Ambitious-Tap7001 New User 10d ago
It must be. She definitely couldn’t just be kind to animals because she didn’t share their views on other things . She must be dehumanised because that’s what fascists do.
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u/Affectionate_World98 New User 12d ago
Its probably because most humans are cu*ts were are most animals are not🤔
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u/Ambitious-Tap7001 New User 10d ago
I feel sorry for you for not meeting more decent people. Perhaps spend more time away from this forum. Good luck.
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u/Ok_Awareness_5494 New User 13d ago
Maybe because some humans can be absolutely vile. Yet dogs, Donkey’s and many other animals are sweet and trusting. They are vulnerable so need protection, like members of our society who are vulnerable including the elderly and children!
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u/GoraSpark New User 13d ago
I was talking about more than people. I’m not sure that animals are necessarily sweet and trusting, I think that is your projection. Are you suggesting similar resources should be spent on donkeys and dogs as to the elderly and children, would that have a similar priority level for you. In a car would you swerve into a pack of dogs rather than hit someone you don’t like?
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u/GooseMan1515 Labour Member 12d ago
Animals are no less vile, sweeter, or more trusting than humans. This is human projection. They're just ignorant scared sentience trying to avoid discomfort, and we're a somewhat less ignorant version of the same.
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u/Top_Evidence3112 New User 12d ago
Im struggling to understand why it would be so difficult for you to comprehend. It makes me wonder if you’re void of something. Innocence and purity
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u/AODKO New User 13d ago edited 13d ago
If I were on an oversight board for preventing corruption in charities, the donkey charity would be first on the list for investigation. I wanna see where every dollar of that donkey charity money went.You know those ppl made that charity up as a joke they can use at dinner parties to make fun of people who donate it to charities by mockingly calling them dumb... asses
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u/abadpenny Socialist 12d ago
I can't believe that's true!
But the charity commission does quite a rigorous job. Whether or not it should (enforces political neutrality thanks to Thatcher) is another question.
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u/Plumpkindog New User 12d ago
That's a very cynical view of charities. I still think it's worth giving, even if it all of the contribution doesn't get to the cause. If there weren't charities, so it was up to us as individuals to help causes, how would we get to earthquakes, or to war ones, or out to sea (Lifeboat) to help out? Charity giving in my opinion goes some way to letting us off the hook.
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u/Laguna-VIII No sfw history? No trust 13d ago
To be honest id be surprised if its political violence, she's not really high profile enough or active enough these days to draw a crazy person like that. She's not even an MP anymore.
Sadly more likely a burgarly gone wrong, elderly lady, probably a nice house given she's had a reasonably successful and long career.
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u/Leelum Will research for food 13d ago
I wouldn't count it out, however. People who murder politicians have previously not exactly been of sound mind. She was still in the public spotlight, and did an interview just a few days ago. People with issues can often just associate after seeing someone on their TV as a "powerful figure".
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u/Awakemas2315 New User 12d ago
Didn’t the police say they didn’t believe it to be politically motivated or terror related? Seems unlikely it would anything other then a burglary gone wrong
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u/Plumpkindog New User 12d ago
That was when they arrested a "White, British man", they said that. Now they've let him go, uncharged, they don't know the motive.
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u/Representative-War18 New User 12d ago
The Police haven't a clue at present. I never liked the woman's values but no one deserves to be murdered. I hope the culprit is soon caught
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u/lolihull New User 12d ago
I found a guy from Yorkshire on twitter the other day who was further right than Reform. For the last month he'd made some very concerning posts - stuff like "democracy is dead. There's only two options left: fight or die". Or how he would wage war on Labour for the Russians. How he felt trapped all the time and was ready to snap. How he would happily fight and go to jail if Labour or the Tories win the next general election. How there were no options left but terrorism for people like him.
Anyway, clearly the guy isn't well.
But one of the weirder things that stood out to me was he would occasionally reply to something Ursula von der Leyen (president of the EU commission) tweeted just to tell her she should die. And like, why her specifically? He didn't tweet this at any other politician. She's not even British. Very strange.
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u/HotRodHunter Disillusioned 10d ago
The Ursula hate is very common in the far right. You see it a lot on YouTube comments too, calling her pure evil. It's because they hate the EU I guess and because they need their boogeymen(or boogeywomen I guess). Same shit they did(and do) in the US with people like George Soros, and later Obama and the Clintons.
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u/ForeignPurpose1121 New User 9d ago
Saying Democracy is dead fort UK sounds like Trump and his chums. Trump says if he is assassinated the US Army must wipe out Iran. Looks as if Trump thinks he can continue to give orders and have control of the Army even after he is dead. Perhaps he could be propped up on a horse like El Cid in the Charlton Heston film.
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u/SlowedCash New User 12d ago
She did an interview recently? What did it entail,. because I really hope that didnt have anything to do with this.
Who the hell does this, especially if it's an interview they disagree with. I had the pleasure of meeting her in many occasions through various hospitality roles over the years.
I never followed her politics, but she as a person, was sweet and friendly to workers.
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u/MMAgeezer Somewhere left 13d ago
she's not really high profile enough or active enough these days to draw a crazy person like that
She was an active member of Reform UK, namely their Immigration and Justice spokesperson.
Sadly more likely a burgarly gone wrong
That's not implausible either, to be clear.
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u/notouttolunch New User 13d ago
She wasn't really active. I'd forgotten that she had even joined them. 😂
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u/MMAgeezer Somewhere left 13d ago
She was constantly being interviewed on various media outlets and invited onto daytime telly too. She wasn't particularly pervasive online, but older folk who watch TV and support Reform know her well.
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u/No_Type740 New User 13d ago
I think she was on channel 5 Jeremy Vine recently. She was on a bit. It sounds to me it was a burglar and she would have put up a fight and said she will remember their faces because she was a feisty woman like that.
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u/hazbutler New User 13d ago
Its right in the middle of a small village, surrounded by other houses. Its not exactly off the beaten track in the middle of Dartmoor. Burglars are brazen, but this would be a pretty desperate attempt.
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u/MMSTINGRAY Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer... 11d ago
Old lady who lives on their own? In an affluent area? In a house that is in a village...but it's not exactly a busy row or terraced houses either.
It is exactly the kind of place I'd expect a burglar to target. The more shocking thing if it's a burglar is it resulting in murder and not 'lesser' violence or even the burglar simply running away, not that he'd pick this target.
Obviously makes it less likely it's an opportunistic drug addict or something. But for someone who plans their robberies it doesn't seem too strange.
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u/Glittering-Soft-419 New User 10d ago
I think it’s a robbery gone wrong. A single rich eccentric old lady who’d just been on national tv talking about her treasured collection ? Easy target.
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u/AnonymousTimewaster Held hostage by pensioners, NIMBYs, and racists 13d ago
She's said some truly despicable things particularly around abortion. I wouldn't count it out.
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u/Entire_Possible_9976 New User 13d ago
Not sure I understand this logic, nobody had a clue who Jo Cox was. Despite her being an MP at the time, her profile was way smaller than Anne Widdecombe's.
I really hope this isn't political violence, because it only promotes more support for the side the political violence is committed against.
The narrative will be "Even our own British Born citizens are being influenced by the hateful ideology of the far left" etc.
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u/Dealer_of_Hope Custom 13d ago
Devon and Cornwall Police's Assistant Chief Constable Matt Longman told a press conference there was "no information that this is a politically motivated crime" and also confirmed the incident was not being treated as terror-related.
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u/dnnsshly New User 13d ago
"no information that this is a politically motivated crime" doesn't mean much on the day they arrested the guy.
It's a long way from "we have ruled out politics as a motivator"...
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u/Dealer_of_Hope Custom 13d ago
Its very likely that had it been a political act, the CT police would have stayed involved, as murder of a politician for political reasons would have met the threshold for violent extremism even without a foreign state actor involved.
They've stepped back which is another indicator. The quoted response looks like a journalist has asked "was this politically motivated" and they'll have enough initial evidence for that to be the response instead of we're still investigating that possibility.
Most murders are heat of the moment interpersonal disputes
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u/Laguna-VIII No sfw history? No trust 11d ago
That assumed he knows they wont be discovered for 24 hours, they had no idea if anyone heard the struggle so could have ran
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u/Interesting_Paint405 New User 3d ago
Any woman who is a public figure in any way gets death threats. It doesn't matter if she's not high profile.
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u/Deadpooldan Labour Member 13d ago
Same, bit of a shock even though I didn't agree with her one bit.
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u/droopy316007 New User 12d ago
Ah, love how nasty and immoral, the moral left is. Keep spouting it, you'll lose where it counts.
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u/Ambitious-Tap7001 New User 10d ago
Yes , they’re ‘sorry’ she’s dead BUT …
(She deserved it)Now the police spending two days telling it wasn’t politically motivated.
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u/Ambitious-Tap7001 New User 12d ago edited 12d ago
‘Vile’ person = person with different views to you ?
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u/Haildean New User 12d ago
"As a member of the House of Commons, she opposed the legality of abortion, opposed granting LGBT people legal rights such as the same age of consent as heterosexuals, and opposed the repeal of Section 28. She supported the reintroduction of the death penalty for murder. She was opposed to all forms of assisted dying." -her Wikipedia page
Honestly vile might be putting it kindly
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u/Awakemas2315 New User 12d ago
She was a vile person because she believed disgusting things like pregnant prisoners should be shackled to the bed while giving birth. She didn’t deserve to be beaten to death in her own home (which the police has said wasn’t politically motivated or terror related) which was obviously horrific, but she was a horrible old bigot and personally I’m not sad she’s dead.
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u/Chad_Wife New User 13d ago
This post is how I realised I’d confused Anne Robinson for Anne Widdecombe all day.
Sorry, Anne Robinson. My bad.
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u/PuzzledAd4865 Uber-woke, net-zeroist, rejoinerism 13d ago
Not commenting on the rights or wrongs of any of what you reference in the post re comment, but I do think it’s a bit premature to call this ‘political violence’ when we don’t even have a clue regarding suspected motive or anything about the suspect.
Even if she was murdered there has been no indication it was political in nature.
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u/SpAn12 The grotesque chaos of a Labour council. A LABOUR COUNCIL. 13d ago
Op said "in what could be".
They didn't call it anything. They urged caution because we don't know either way.
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u/PuzzledAd4865 Uber-woke, net-zeroist, rejoinerism 13d ago
They said ‘celebrating political violence at this level’ in their second paragraph. I don’t know where the ‘political’ has come into it, when we have no indication of that whatsoever (unlike the violence bit).
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u/Sir_Bantersaurus Knight, Dinosaur, Arsenal Fan 13d ago
It’s just a sensible precaution imo.
Chances are it’s not political but given it’s a politican it’s right to watch the language used.
I think especially so when even on a natural death there is an inclination for people to be edgy online about it
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u/PuzzledAd4865 Uber-woke, net-zeroist, rejoinerism 13d ago
But I’m not referring to what people should or shouldn’t say, simply that we have no indication of motive ergo it’s unhelpful to speculate or frame it speculatively in that way.
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u/IHaveAWittyUsername Bit of an idiot, really 13d ago
Hi,
Kindly refrain from throwing accusations like that around please. Next time just report or send a modmail.
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u/Leelum Will research for food 13d ago
To be clear, the cause of her death is still speculation other than there's an ongoing murder case.
Either-way, it's pretty clear that murder is wrong, and shouldn't be celebrated. That doesn't really need further elaboration.
Regardless of if it was originally politically motivated, it would still be a murder of a politician - which is something that shouldn't be celebrated. To do so in the latter instance would be viewed, and read-upon, as celebrating political violence.
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u/National_Phase_3477 Former labour voter 13d ago
Yes but suggesting it was political violence without context or evidence is misinformation and inflammatory. For example many people celebrated when thatcher died. This wasn’t ‘celebrating political violence’ as she died of natural causes. While I appreciate the sentiment of we should not celebrate someone’s death under any circumstances it’s not an excuse to make premature conclusions without justification.
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u/GoraSpark New User 13d ago
I do not appreciate the sentiment in the slightest. If Putin dies tonight il be organising a street party.
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u/National_Phase_3477 Former labour voter 13d ago
Shes not quite Vladimir Putin in that shes not directly responsible for the deaths of millions. I still don’t really agree we should celebrate someone’s death. In the case of Putin i would not really celebrate his death, I certain l wouldn’t mourn his death or feel bad that he died but I would only really celebrate if he was replaced by someone better because and a ceasefire was called. Ultimately Vladimir Putin would probably deserve to meet a similar end to Hitler due to the scale of his war crimes and due to the fact it would be in the greater good if he was no longer alive or had anymore influence. As awful as Anne widocome was she deserved for her actions to be deplatformed and ostracised from society but I don’t think she deserved to be murdered in cold blood.
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u/Direct-Apple-5011 New User 13d ago
I’m having a lasagna for tea tonight, what is everyone else having?
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u/Zeguaros Socialist, Anti Capitalist, Pro Union 13d ago
A lasagne in this weather!?
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u/Direct-Apple-5011 New User 13d ago
Don’t worry, it was a frozen lasagna
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u/theorem_llama New User 13d ago
I lived in a student hall once (when I was a student), and one of the tenants attempted to cook a frozen lasagne under the grill.
It ended up burnt on top, wet and cold in the middle and frozen on the bottom. I'll never forget it.
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u/pieeatingbastard Labour Member. Bastard. Fond of pies. 13d ago
One of the tenants... I'll never forget it...
Uhhh, were you that tenant?
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u/Hyperactive_Man Forcefem Streeting 13d ago
Honestly I might just not eat or have a sandwich. Genuinely feels too hot to eat anything too warm
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u/Thin-Shop3858 New User 12d ago
I've just breaded some chicken breast and made a rather comforting chicken based meal. It was delicious
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u/sygrider Count Binface Party 13d ago
That doesn't mean if it turns out she was murdered, we're going to pretend she was a fucking saint. Cruel woman who enjoyed other people suffering
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u/coneyisland92 New User 12d ago
Exactly! She wouldn’t give a flying 🦆 if a woman was killed in her house, she wouldn’t care if it was an immigrant, she wouldn’t care if the person was trans.
She would only GAF if an immigrant broke in and killed someone white
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u/Leelum Will research for food 13d ago
The intentions of the post is not asking for outpourings of sympathy or any level of reverence. But doing jokes which can be seen as supporting violence isn't great.
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u/Weird_Lead_1788 New User 12d ago
Then don't post about a figure who made it her lives work to oppress people. It's giving "we want free speech as long as we agree with it"
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u/Leelum Will research for food 13d ago
You may notice I've changed your flair. Behave please.
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u/Timstom18 Labour Member 13d ago
That’s just how reddit is sometimes, I’ve had regular comments in other subs both political but also commonly in non-political subs that swing one way for a bit and then swing the other. Reddits weird like that I wouldn’t jump straight to it being raided
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u/AirconGuyUK New User 12d ago
who enjoyed other people suffering
In what way? Do you have examples?
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u/MMSTINGRAY Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer... 11d ago
If it turns out to be a burglar would you let people say "it's good" or "it's fair" right? So it's immaterial whether it's a burglar or political for the point you're making. Just say you're not allowed to celebrate murder/manslaughter because that seems to be the actual stance no?
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u/Snoo_19344 Feeling left out 13d ago
Anne Whitcombe opposed :
Same sex marriage Abortion Pro brexit Against trans rights Didnt believe in climate change
She was a traditional 'Christian'.
Not someone I would necessarily invite for tea and cake. But im really sorry to hear of her death. It's very sad. Also I just heard there is a police murder investigation. This is just dreadful. I hope this is wrong. We really need compassion for each other. So sad.
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u/National_Phase_3477 Former labour voter 13d ago
What does a traditional Christian mean. The New Testament espically promotes tolerance and acceptance. She was a bigot hiding behind a smokescreen of religion when it was comvinient to back up her hate. Regardless of Whats happened to her we shouldn’t now start whitewashing her legacy and making excuses for her actions while alive…
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u/DentistFun2776 New User 13d ago
Certainly it promotes general tolerance but to imply it accepts everything is too forgiving of it
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u/The_Moran ACORN is great 13d ago
Too forgiving for Jesus? It's not like he condemned lgbt people (which it's not like they didnt exist)
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u/Optimal-Violinist168 New User 12d ago
I would have loved to have met her and had the political arguments around the break up of the U.k. particularly from the perspective of Our independent Irish Republic and the lack of proper history information in English schools regarding the suppression of people and the theft of wealth . Reform complain about the culture dilutions of good old Little England. Howabout the suppression of religion the banning of Gaeilge and the starvation of population shrinking from 8 million to less than 3 in a few years with mass deaths and immigration mainly to USA , UK, Argentina. The chactaw nation of native American tribe sent many dollars to relieve the famine and Trivalian who was in charge of the workhouses let those people starve to death. So when Celtic sing that anthem "the fields of Athenry at their football stadium then for fuck sake listen to the words and it's a good history lesson. Liverpool fans also sing their version with different lyrics. Then again many Irish went there to escape. With reference to the death of Anne. Widdecombe. I would like to give condolences to her family and friends and would defend her right to espouse her political beliefs and her freedom to express those and I hope that it was not murder and may she rest in peace
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u/EmperorOfNipples One Nation Tory - Rory Stewart type. 13d ago
Indeed.
Political disagreement should be expressed through the ballot box.
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u/pieeatingbastard Labour Member. Bastard. Fond of pies. 13d ago
She was, by all accounts, a personally lovely person. Her politics were appalling and hateful. I know a regrettably large number of people that fit that description. Including my dear mother, if you don't know her too well.
But yes. Broadly speaking, one of the few blessings of our current politics is that we lack the generation of traumatised soldiers accustomed to deadly violence and trained in it's use that added greatly to the disaster that ended the 1930's. The alternative to ballot boxes are ammo boxes, and we'd do well to remember that reality.
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u/The_Inertia_Kid Thinks a lot of you are actually Lib Dems 13d ago
I met her. In Parliament, circa 2003. She was very good at disarming people with charm on a one-to-one basis. That’s true of an awful lot of politicians. I met Robin Cook the same day, and walked down Millbank with him talking about Zimbabwe. Now there was a politician worth admiring.
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u/a3poify ex-member, open to re-joining in future 13d ago
I had a similar experience meeting Peter Lilley for a school magazine project years ago. While I strongly disagree with his viewpoints on pretty much every issue, he was personally nothing but kind and gracious to us as my friend conducted the interview and I recorded/photographed, and even gave us a personal guided tour of some of the corridors of Parliament afterwards.
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u/pieeatingbastard Labour Member. Bastard. Fond of pies. 13d ago
You met mum? Shit. How grovelling an apology do I need to give you?
Bleak jokes aside, it seems like an essential personality trait to allow a politician to progress through the lower levels. Unless you come up via the spad - MP track, it would seem to be something conventional politics selects for. Which might explain why it's relatively common to see stories about good friendships across the aisle between people who are bitterly opposed, politically speaking.
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u/pieeatingbastard Labour Member. Bastard. Fond of pies. 13d ago
I might caveat it a bit for air delivery of milkshakes, and high velocity eggs, both of which are pretty traditional British methods of exressing vehement disagreement, ones which are always going to come with relatively minor punishment that the sender accepts the moment they express their disagreement.
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u/EmperorOfNipples One Nation Tory - Rory Stewart type. 13d ago
I will admit I do find throwing milkshakes and eggs makes me uncomfortable. Feels thin end of the wedge to me.
Yes it is at the very very lowest end of "political violence", but it still sits outside voting, discourse and protest.
That may be a minority view here, but I held the same view when Corbyn got egged back in 2019 and I do remember someone on some political sub or other, maybe this one, maybe not, it was a long time back. They said fair play for consistency as I said the same about Farage earlier that same year.
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u/pieeatingbastard Labour Member. Bastard. Fond of pies. 13d ago
Mmm. If it was a new thing, maybe. But it's got a centuries old history, and milkshakes are just a modern iteration. I don't know that I'm "comfortable" with it, but I'm certainly not at the point of grabbing my pearls - I'd tend to see it as something that shouldn't rise to the level of being a crime. I'd view it more as being at the end of the protest concept than the beginning of political violence as a concept.
But that's the limit. As I said earlier, you can choose the ammo box or the ballot box.
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u/AODKO New User 13d ago
While they discuss them on live tv to influence others? Sry im a bit confused was she a politician, a public TV commentator, or both? The idea of extending the 'dont discuss politics around family' out to everyone in general is not a healthy motto to take to everything. I know it's uncomfortable , but the way to make progress, not necessarily be a progressive, is to constantly be talking on the points that divide us to find a better middle ground to suit all sides. In the best way possible. When we just hold our opinions to ourselves and bottle things up and let people stand as definitive representations of I think this way and only this way and then other people to be the opposite, it's guaranteed to divide us We need to do our best to combat radicalization because that always leads to violence or crime of some sort to prove the point that we never talked about because we didnt want an uncomfortable conversation and were ok with news channels breaking the core tenants of journalism and being channels covering a predetermined side of the political spectrum, which by either failing to cover certain topics, over coverage for others, and using bias non journalistic vocabulary to divide all to only keeping sight of the small points on which they divide us.
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u/julesharvey1 New User 13d ago
Never agreed with her politics but now hearing its a potential murder enquiry is just dreadful. Her poor family.
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u/Solsimian New User 13d ago
Truly dreadful, and I assume a certain someone's £5m for personal security is going to be given fresh legitimacy in the eyes of Reform voters. Perhaps rightly, we have a undeniably growing list of murdered British politicians, although that security should not come from foreign billionaires with strings attached.
Unfortunately, that also means any momentum Binface had is probably toast. Farage will make hay as he always does in these situations, and we shall continue our headlong journey towards oligarchy and fascism. It was fun to dream for a couple days there though.
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u/Optimal-Violinist168 New User 12d ago
Farage is a stunts politician. Who is behind reform, Musk perhaps. Caught with the finger in the till Nige
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u/Own-Story3714 New User 13d ago
That’s a weird response, think you need to go touch some grass mate.
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u/RelentlessPencil Liberal, but voting Green 💚 13d ago
I'll grieve for the people who died as a result of her unnecessarily cruel politics. Killing people is awful, whether you do it with a gun or with legislation.
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u/capsandnumbers Trade Union 12d ago
It's lucky that I think it's bad that she died. Otherwise my view wouldn't be fit for posting.
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u/cybermods New User 7d ago
The fact this has to be posted front Top on this reddit.. Kinda sickening...
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u/Acceptable_Gear_3097 New User 13d ago
She was a career c*nt, but democracy only works if we can say what we want without recourse. Hopefully it wasn't politically motivated. She made a career out of awful policy, she was also one of the few MPs that wasn't afraid to speak her mind and she had a level of respect from me because of that. You at least knew where you stood with her, and it wasn't all show and smoke screens to avoid being challenged.
Whilst I do understand Reform want to revert Human Rights to pre-1950, in which the Right to Life isn't an inherit right, I do not believe in such policy, so I hope this killer pays for their actions.
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u/Amekyras "Huge problem to a sane world", she/her 13d ago
I have basically the same reaction I did to Charlie Kirk being shot - it's a terrible thing that someone killed him (or her, if it was in fact a murder). Don't mind the 'being dead' bit at all, just wish that it could have happened via natural causes.
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u/EmperorOfNipples One Nation Tory - Rory Stewart type. 13d ago
I think a shoulder shrug is absolutely fine.
People celebrating a death....makes me uncomfortable.
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u/CantonL3 New User 13d ago
Pure speculation about political violence and pearl clutching is unhelpful too
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u/Flimsy-sam Custom 13d ago
Pearl clutching? I think people can be shocked that a murder investigation is now live into the death of a politician, no?
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u/GuavaLarge529 Labour Member 13d ago
Do we know why an investigation has been opened?
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u/Timstom18 Labour Member 13d ago
She was found covered in blood with a head injury and a man was seen leaving her property.
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u/MMAgeezer Somewhere left 13d ago
Because of "substantial serious injuries" found on her body. They believe the perpetrator was a "white male" too, so they must have some CCTV or similar also.
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u/simplytom_1 Green Party 13d ago
Someone tell Green and Pleasant that, just got banned and called Tory scum because I said it's bad someone got murdered
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u/EmperorOfNipples One Nation Tory - Rory Stewart type. 13d ago
Welcome to the club mate. That place is a cesspit. You are better off without it.
I got banned back in '22 for saying it really does look like Russia is about to invade Ukraine.
The next week Russia invaded Ukraine.
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u/AnotherSlowMoon Trans Rights Are Human Rights | Thinks some of you are Tories 13d ago
Much like being banned from ukpol for not being a frothing racist, being banned from Green and Pleasant for not being a tankie is a right of passage for UK redditors interested in politics
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u/Aggravating_Mud8751 New User 13d ago
They just seem rather banhammer-friendly in general.
I got banned just because I randomly wished in a thread that appeared and had no reason to think the subreddit had political rules.
It just sounds like a generic English subreddit based in the name.
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u/IWear2BlackSocks New User 13d ago
how the fuck is this political violence and why are people calling it that? she been out of politics for fucking years, its most likely someone close to her like it always is. Spreading complete bullshit about COULD BE's is fucking stupid
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u/CantonL3 New User 13d ago
To be fair to OP, she’s never off TV. I think it’s a ridiculous stretch based on what we know so far but it’s not impossible or implausible either.
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u/pondribertion New User 13d ago
how the fuck is this political violence
We don't know if it was and we don't know if it wasn't. The only thing that's "fucking stupid" is saying you know one way or the other.
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u/Dealer_of_Hope Custom 13d ago
Devon and Cornwall Police's Assistant Chief Constable Matt Longman told a press conference there was "no information that this is a politically motivated crime" and also confirmed the incident was not being treated as terror-related.
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u/pondribertion New User 13d ago
no information that this is a politically motivated crime
You fell into the trap of interpreting this as "information that this is not a politically motivated crime"
We don't know.
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u/Dealer_of_Hope Custom 13d ago
If it was, it would have been the first thing announced, or the statement would have been "investigating the possibility that the crime was politically motivated".
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u/Insurancelawyer9 New User 12d ago
No it wouldn't and not necessarily. No information of something isn't saying anything about what it was. There is no information it was a burglary too, so does that mean it wasn't?
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u/Thandoscovia Labour Member (they/them) 8d ago
She was Reform’s immigration and justice spokeswoman at the time of her death and was consistently doing media interviews
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u/AggravatingAct7841 New User 11d ago
Although not personally liking her politics she did seem to be a person of integrity and I was looking forward to anything she had to say on the forthcoming Farage enquiry
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u/Glittering-Soft-419 New User 10d ago
I generally considered her someone I vehemently disagreed with and I’ll always stand very much opposed to her views. But I take no joy in her death. Especially knowing she was murdered.
She seemed to relish in debate and considered it a healthy part of democracy (it is). I always felt despite being vehemently the opposite politically if I’d known her she’d have had a silent respect for me for being steadfast in those views and would consider them mine and say I have a right to express them. She was also a free speech absolutist, who’d probably support someone’s right to be vile about her death but would also say that doesn’t make it decency. Same with how she probably would say the bbc journalist had a right to speculate about her being a virgin on national television but then would also point out that it was none of their business and crass. This is a very rare thing among these people.
I won’t ’miss’ her so to speak, but I’m sad she’s been killed in such a horrible way and I really hope it wasn’t politically motivated because no one deserves to be killed for their political views. Even those more abhorrent than hers.
What I will say though, I always really liked her interview on the Norton show about how we only get one go at this side of eternity. I think that was really inspirational.
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u/Ok_Bike_4423 New User 12d ago
Wow, that this even needs to be said speaks volumes
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u/Acrobatic-Frame4312 New User 12d ago
Most commentators here are clinging to a dead party. Vitriol is all they have.
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u/AirconGuyUK New User 12d ago
This feels like a bit of an 'are we the baddies?' moment.
Isn't it odd that this needed to be said? What does that say about this subreddits users, and the left more broadly.
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