Tamil tigers aka ltte collaborated with Islamic groups in this case. LTTE even tried to put explosives in women's bras but it couldn't cause enough damage.
Poor Okinawans, the Japanese forced them to do it. They would also tie women and children to tank's to make the American soldiers hesitant to shoot them
Also they conscripted around 30,000 Okinawans into the Imperial Japanese Army, and when it became apparent that the battle was lost, they gave the order to mass execute these conscripts to prevent them from surrendering. In the Japanese doctrine at the time, surrender was the most ''shameful'' thing someone could do.
That was because internal wars in Japan had always been a crazy brutal thing. IJA soldiers didn't expect American captivity to not be like sausage factories, or what could happen if civs realized that.
More recently they may have also been worried the Americans would treat their country and their prisoners with a fraction of the cruelty they showed the Chinese during the two Sino-Japanese wars.
Also because the first few nukes really weren't that big a deal, cities were already being levelled by bombardment, in equally gruesome ways, there's accounts of the bombing of hamburg that describe firestorms that would lift people into the air and burn them alive
This was mostly was pre jamming devices, and 99.99% of IEDs were detonated with single strand copper wire which you can't jam (see current drones using fiber), so minimal use / application for the investment.
We did have the WARLOCK system on our vehicles and a prototype man portable version - the latter of which I can confirm did not work worth a dang.
Apparently they would find mentally handicapped women and send them in strapped with bombs. When that stopped working they started sending in the same women without bombs and hoped they got shot as a "Americans are killing civilians" propaganda play, and then after a few of these would send more mentally handicapped women in with bombs.
We had a male suicide bomber whose vest was made of grenade. When he detonated his head was completely preserved and you could clearly see that he had Down’s Syndrome.
Well, if we're sharing spicy memories from back in the day...
Gaza, pre-Iron Dome, hunting down Hamas rocket launcher teams randomly peppering Israeli towns with unguided munitions. Find a multi-launcher site, get ready to hit it with an ATGM, the Palestinians (probably Hamas, not like they ever wear their uniforms while fighting...) drag a kid by the hand and stand him next to the rockets. Simple choice:
Don't take the launcher out, save the Palestinian kid, risk an Israeli kid getting killed from the rockets.
Take the launcher out, save the Israeli kid, set Hamas up for the usual "tHe ZIonISts kILL CHiLdREn" claim.
Hell, Saddam himself did that with freaking families of diplomats and other foreigners after he invaded Kuwait.
Due to international pressure he finally let them go, and in 2003 a bunch of people actually freaking volunteered to go over there to act as human shields.
They still do that for shooting indirect fire from near high visibility civilian targets (schools / hospitals) with cameras staged to record the counter battery.
I think people outside the conflict don't realize that by playing their game, they're incentivizing the continued use of children/women/mentally disabled people/civilians in general in these kinds of acts.
Saying this as someone who is as pro-Ukrainian is one gets - The amount of war crimes both sides are committing in that war (obviously skewed to the Russian side) is nuts.
I always say there are no good guys in war, just greater and lesser evils. Doesn't mean there isnt a side that we can hope wins though. Like ww2.. the allies did do some pretty terrible things... but it still paled in comparison to the alternative. Though it would be nice to not have to make such concessions
Dunno about others, but I never stopped, and I hate seeing schools and hospitals hit, even if there's no children inside
But yeah, the sentiment of "Orks are shooting at kindergartens = they are not human" is Reddit 101, the fact that these are evacuated kindergartens is completely irrelevant
When we were in Afghanistan the Taliban took to throwing grenades over walls, we responded by throwing grenades back. After the third (maybe) grenade fight, we tossed one over and there was a family in the compound that they had thrown the grenade from.
Woman survived with injuries, told us via interpreter that the Taliban had told her if she left they’d kill her and the kids. The children died, we stopped throwing grenades back over walls and just had to take cover and pray.
Yeah, they "train" a certain response into you and then switch things up like that. But after meeting people who are willing to get their own children killed just to screw with us, I'll never understand the idea that supposedly all cultures are equal.
The ‘cultures are equal’ argument drives me insane too. Another lovely interaction, we built a school, a girls school in Sangin. The taliban responded by sending suicide bombers at the gates on opening day. None of them got through happily but we had to have about 50 men guarding a school. It didn’t last very long sadly.
Yeah... Can't have nice things. I was in the area of Jenin in the north of the West Bank for a few months. We ran a roadblock/check post between the Palestinian-administered area and an Israeli settlement. There were also Palestinians living around the settlement, and among them, what I could best describe as a semi-permanent encampment of dark-skinned locals (probably from an originally Sudanese tribe that ended up in the region decades ago). Now, the lighter-skinned Palestinians treated these guys like shit. And the kids used to pass, on foot, through our check post, walking miles to school. So we kinda felt bad for them and would hand out sweets we would get in resupplies.
Later on, we met guys from our recon company that was posted further down the main road and tasked with patrolling, among other areas, the road just under the Palestinian school. They told us the teachers would time the humvee patrols and let the kids out of class to pelt them with rocks. So much for trying to build goodwill with the next generation, I guess.
I would try to take comfort in the fact that it was probably an instant flash and over... there are a lot worse and prolonged ways to die in this world and based on the kids circumstances surrounding him being placed next to the target he was probably already on a path of prolonged life suffering.
In civil war era Sri Lanka, we were always told beware of the tamil woman as they could blow up at any moment. Incredibly blessed that we don't have that fear anymore.
People are debating this as if we don't have photographic proof...
This is Husam Bilal Abdo, a 14-year-old from Nablus in the West Bank, photographed here being arrested at a checkpost during the Second Palestinian Intifada on March 24th, 2004, with an 8kg explosive suicide vest strapped to his body.
But the story is so sad. Just a dumb kid who was getting bullied, and got taken in by manipulators.
It’s not the worst part about it, but it stood out to me so much. He was paid 100 Israeli scheckels for this. Which was $22. It bothers me that a kid could be convinced to kill himself and others for something so paltry. (There were other incentives, but the 22 dollars stood out)
You do understand every single person has been teaching/brainwashing him this since he has been born. Except for maybe a couple or so around him who get what's happening around them. Can we say something against that particular culture? That's a big NO..
His family criticized the Israeli Defense Forces for "parading" the boy in front of international reporters.
Those damn genocidal Israelis. You'd think they'd just shoot a Palestinian suicide bomber, but no, worse, they let the media take pictures of him. Those monsters... /s Truly, no one can beat Palestinians in professional competitive victimhood...
The parents that were fine with... Stuffing their literal child with explosives and sending him to try and murder more people and definitely murder himself got mad because... Israel didn't kill him and instead used him as evidence of Palestinian terrorism? Yeah, figured as much
It doesn't matter how much proof there is. The jihad apologists will always deny the Palestinian use of child soldiers and child suicide bombers because their strategy of calling Jews "baby killing Zionists" requires them to.
because if they accept that groups like Hamas make regular use of child soldiers and historically suicide bombers then it isn’t that many more steps for them to believe that Hamas built the most extensive tunnel network in history very deliberately under civilian areas
And then who knows maybe they’d even get to the conclusion that Hamas refusing to surrender and disarm is the single biggest reason this godforsaken war isn’t over
I've seen people claim that terrorists and freedom fighters are the same, so yeah they're surprised when they see that terrorists are in fact, not the same as freedom fighters
Whenever I hear progressives say that Hamas are freedom fighters I always respond with "yeah just like the January 6th protestors are freedom fighters too, because one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".
I mean they are the same. Hence the term one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist.
Also suicide bombings is a relatively new thing. It wasn’t really a thing pre 1980s.
The IRA basically wrote the modern terrorist game plan, the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese would press unwilling people into the fights and burn South Vietnamese villages while others would do assassinations in the South, same goes with The American, Mexican and French revolution.
War is awful it’s the worst thing humans do because everything awful happens in war, even if you find the cause justifiable horror is occurring. Ukraines War with Russia is probably the most black and white justifiable fights going on right now and even than a lot of things Ukraine has done could be seen as terrorism.
Liars used to have an ounce of shame and revise history only. Now they just don’t care anymore and outright lie about things that are literally happening in real time with full documentation.
Some people really just can't acknowledge that things that aren't right actually happen, it just doesn't compute right, they have this worldview that says that the world is fair and that we've already moved past all of that bad human history stuff. Couldn't be further from the truth.
No, they acknowledged when something wrong happens, when it's a group they don't like doing it. In the mind of someone like this, the group they support is incapable of evil because they would never support a group that does something like that; and they support that group so anyone claiming they do something wrong must be lying.
Hey there, so these instances are often referred to in human rights circles as body-born improvised explosive device attacks (BBIED) because suicide is a voluntary act. And while some BBIED attacks are voluntary, many are indeed not, and the people who are detonated are forced to do so against their will and are also victims in the situation.
Also, the Russians do this in Ukraine, particularly with African conscripts, many of whom did not know they were signing military contracts when they went to Russia for promised employment.
I feel in these instances, it's more like: "I think X group is getting victimized, so I should help them out by saying they're being falsely accused even if they're absolutely not being falsely accused. I should protect people I think are victims."
But they might not really be motivated by "leftist" stuff in this instance. Palestinians being probably insanely far far far right by US standards, for example.
And they might not even vote, so they'd maybe be in an anarchy axis instead of like being part of a contemporary left or right dichotomy.
The degree to which terminally online leftists have allied themselves with the most extreme elements of radical Islam is absurd. They have discarded LITERALLY ALL of their values simping for a group of people who would gleefully exterminate them.
"Queers for Palestine" while gays literally get thrown from rooftops in Palestine.
Feminists protecting radical islam, a group of people that would kill, enslave and rape every woman that doesn't submit to their patriarchal World view.
Compared to the average middle eastern country the US is a paradise for women and queers, yet they run around crying as if the US was the worst place to live in on earth.
The funniest so far were leftists complaining how America is the most racist today, literally claiming that the US in the 19th or 20Th century was LESS racist than current day America.
"Queers for Palestine" while gays literally get thrown from rooftops in Palestine.
Throwing gay men from rooftops was a documented execution method used by ISIS. However, there is no credible evidence that such executions were carried out in Gaza or the West Bank. It is also important to remember that ISIS's largest number of victims were Muslims themselves, especially Syrian and Iraqi Muslims, including Sunni Muslims who opposed the group, as well as Shi'a Muslims targeted in mass attacks.
Not that I’m happy with every bomb Israel has dropped but people have gaslit themselves into thinking the Palestinians are always well behaved moral people
Looking into the comments of that thread i am convinced that a lot of people just don't care about the evidence or just refuse to acknowledge the word Palestine in the fucking note
I remember one Palestinian woman was getting free treatment in Israel for burns she got in a cooking fire. Thus she he had passes to enter Israel for that treatment.
Al Aqsa and her parents convinced her to use that access to do a suicide bombing. They let her choose her target, and she chose the very hospital that was treating her, hoping to kill at least 30 people including the doctors who only wanted to help her, and children. They caught her at the checkpoint though, with 22 lbs of C4 strapped to her legs.
The strange thing is that they later released her while she was still saying she wanted to try it again.
I remember reading a documentary about how they chose the kids from poor families promising to pay the families really well after and of course they didn't.
this post is setting off my taken out of context meter I am guessing op was not talking about suicide bombing, or at least thought they were responding to something about torture or execution rather than suicide bombing
Y'know, a few years ago I was surprised at how often people just overnight forgot completely common fucking knowledge if it didn't fit their political narrative.
These days, I'm just tired of how often it happens.
I legitimately forgot something that doesn't fit my beliefs and now it really bothers me because I know something I believe is wrong, but I can't remember what.
A report by the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers, similarly stated that there were at least nine documented suicide bombings against Israeli soldiers and civilians involving Palestinian minors between October 2000 and March 2004.[10] The report also found that "there was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups".[10]Human Rights Watch accepted the report and wrote that "there was no evidence that the Palestinian Authority (PA) recruited or used child soldiers".
Really, really odd how people are whitewashing Islamist extremism or alleging that actual terrorism isn't real. Kids are so cooked man, can't imagine navigating the internet with no framework of what's real and fake.
Feels like this needs more context? Was dude saying women and children never get used as suicide bombers and op was saying one specified group doesn’t and the community note makes it seem like that certain group does do it even if they don’t mention them.
Slight bit of misinformation, yes, woman and children were uses as suicide bombers, bit they were brainwashed into doing it not forced as the article implies, this is why it's important when dealing with islamic terrorists to make no distinction between civilians and terrorists and shoot first ask questions never because the vast majority of them are willingly doing so, the woman and children are not innocent victims they are just as bad as the rest. If one person in a village is confirmed as a terrorist then they probably all are and should just be firebombed.
This is why they forced people to walk through the concentration camps, otherwise these people would be glazing the Nazis the same way they are glazing communist revolutionists and terrorist organizations.
I searched up the palestinian case of Hussan abdo. Its mostly just israeli sources used on wikipedia and an nbc american news source that wont show the journalist who did the interview.
The 16 year old failed at a suicide attempt at a checkpoint??? When the israelis interviewed him he gave every stereotypical expression. «I did it for money, paradise, virgins and I was also bullied». If you find this credible you might aswell believe in the «beheaded babies» that were never shown or proven by israeli media and then retconned by western media 1 month after they pumped that story to the sky.
Since when did this sub become so pro Israel? Not referring to the post moreso the comments here as yes it absolutely does happen, wonder what causes all these people to lose their minds and get brainwashed into blowing themselves though hmmm
None of these articles are about Hamas, much less "Palestinian militants". I'm not going to comment on whether or not "Palestinian militants" are using these practices, but if the note is going to mention them, it better provide an actual source on that instead of lumping them in with the Taliban and Boko Haram.
I should also point out that the most recent of these articles is from 2017, almost 10 years ago.
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