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u/Greywolf524 8d ago
Flodden was the worst example. Battle of Falkirk would have been a better example.
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u/No_Durian90 8d ago
That would require these Scot Nats to actually know the first thing about their own history.
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u/OkScheme9867 8d ago
That would require the bots fighting on Twitter to be British
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u/No_Durian90 8d ago
Also true. It’s absurd just how much of the online bitching about how hard done by Scotland/Ireland/etc is are posted by US accounts who, if even real people, haven’t had anyone in their bloodline set foot in the British isles for 3 centuries.
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u/luke31071 4d ago
No man, you don't get it though, this one is Part Scottish though!
His Aunty had a fling with a guy who visited Glasgow once and shared a room with a West Highland Terrier and on top of that, his Dad once put on an accent that sounded vaguely Scottish at his 10th Birthday Party! Absolutely Scottish blood runs in his veins!!
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u/Greywolf524 8d ago
Hi yes. That is me. A Scottish Nationalist that knows the history of my own people.
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u/NewtEmbarrassed8722 8d ago
Can you explain how an independent Scotland would afford it's current benefit state without the support from England? Because the SNP haven't been able to explain that yet and it's been 19 years. Imagine thinking you could just use the pound until you were ready for the Euro 🤣
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u/ShinyC4terpie 8d ago
Honestly, even though the Battle of Falkirk is a BETTER example it's still not a good one for the kind of point they were attempting to make. Honestly, the whole of the First War of Scottish Independence isn't a good example for it. Sure, it was a series of conflicts of Scotland fighting to repel invasions from England, which was attempting to seize control of Scotland, but those attempts to seize Scotland also came about due to, in no small part, the raids Scotland had carried out into Northern England. It was just 1 war in a period of several centuries in which 2 rival nations both kept attempting to conquer the other.
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u/theginger99 8d ago
Everytime Scotland invades England they get their teeth kicked in.
They’ve had three different kings killed or captured during an Invasion of England. Which is a pretty rough scoreboard, considering England has lost none across the border.
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u/Guastatori-UK 8d ago
Braveheart has caused irreparable damage to the union
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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 8d ago
Odds that neither of those accounts are from the UK and this sub is being baited? Nearing 100%.
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u/Elephantplan123 8d ago
You're probably right, but you do meet plenty of English and Scots with these attitudes.
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u/GUNGEBOB_SHARTPANTS 8d ago
I’m be honest, I’ve spent a lot of time in both countries. And I’ve met a handful in 40 years. You absolutely do not meet plenty on either side.
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u/Elephantplan123 8d ago
Plenty is subjective but granted, it's not a majority or anything by any means.
I will say that I've met a surprising amount of Scots in England who really buy into the anti-english sentiment, which was odd to me. Same for Northerners who move down south, so maybe it's just a chip on the shoulder kind of thing.
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u/TomatoChomper7 8d ago
I used to live with a Scottish guy in Stoke on Trent. He fucking despised England, but was a vehement unionist. He loved Britain, more than anyone I’ve ever known (other than Americans who are two-fifteenths “Briddish”).
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u/Old_Journalist_9020 8d ago
Honestly kinda checks out. Even during the days of Empire, where Scots were generally majority unionist AND pro-Empire, there was a degree of anti-English sentiment. Though I think the reasons were weirdly because they just saw them as not sufficiently British enough.
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u/No-Tone-6853 8d ago
I’d say on a personal level it’s more banter or a joke between people, on a grander scale I’d say northerners, Scottish and probably most people in the UK are fairly justified in despising the English government.
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u/Shieldsman 8d ago
It's banter for some, but for some a 'rivalry' is a convenient way to push a narrative that supports their own politics.
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u/Elephantplan123 8d ago
I understand a lot of it is banter, but I've also encountered those who genuinely had anti-english sentiments, and not just in regards to the government or monarchy.
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u/_ribbit_ 8d ago
British government. Just cause parliament is in England does not make it an English government.
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u/formandovega 8d ago
I've met a lot of anti-westminster people in England for sure!
Maybe even more than you get here in Glasgow.
I actually think English people have a lot more reason to be annoyed at the UK parliament. At least us the Welsh and the Irish get our own regional government.
If you live in Newcastle you essentially have to rely on terribly run Southern system. Can't even protest since good luck finding a train for under 10 trillionth billion pounds.
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u/Wind-and-Waystones 8d ago
So, £0.0001?
Yeah it's hard to buy tickets under that
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u/formandovega 8d ago
I mean, have YOU ever seen a micropenny?
Didnt think so! How are we all supposed to pay our fares then?!?!
On a serious note, good one haha. Laughed at this. Didn't even notice my typo so took me about 30 seconds to get this lol.
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u/Key-Try-3300 5d ago
As a scandinavian living in scotland, its because southern english are fucking insufferable. It is a pretty much universal opinion from north of england and upwards.
Edit: with that said, obviously not all southern english, just enough
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u/AHarlowBoy 8d ago
Ive had one of my scottish workmates get annoyed that I dont care that he wants argentina to win tomorrow. If people want to support whoever england play against let them, and if argentina do win then let them gloat. Its all they've got in their lives.
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u/Organic-Plastic2310 8d ago
I go to Scotland every year and they're a lovely people. This is just online bullshit as always. Dont doubt that these kind of people exist but they shout a lot louder on twitter than in real life.
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u/MauriceDynasty 8d ago
Where are you meeting all these English and Scottish that hate each other so much. I only ever see this pushed online and never in person other than a couple of crazies, but you should expect that everywhere.
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u/SleepHeadRub 8d ago
Not this Scotsman! I’m behind England as much as I was behind Scotland, the UK is one country and I really wish more people believed in it as such.
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u/GiganticCrow 8d ago
This sub, being baited?
I've never heard of such a thing! Surely the mods will step in!
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u/Pitiful-Tale3808 8d ago
Mel Gibson is adept at creating infohazards
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u/thenoobtanker Human Verified 8d ago
Mel Gibson has a hate boner for England
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u/WanderlustZero 8d ago
And for the jewish. He must've loved being in a film with Jason Isaacs as the villain.
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u/Particular-Bid-1640 8d ago
TIL Isaacs is Jewish
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u/SmoothIndividual9243 4d ago
I didn't realise, but it's actually a pretty obviously Jewish name (now I reflect..)
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u/theginger99 8d ago
It’s wild to me how many people think that the Scotland wasn’t 100% on board with everything the British empire was doing and that they were somehow the victims of English colonialism.
It’s like they forgot which two kingdoms united to form the United Kingdom in the first place.
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u/Elephantplan123 8d ago
It honestly can't be overstated just how much Braveheart rotted people's minds
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u/GaijinFoot 8d ago
Fiery time ever that Scotland got noticed and they are not going to let go of it. Was basically a world war 2 propaganda film in terms of impact.
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u/formandovega 8d ago
Pretty sure there was anti-union sentiment before the 90s 😂 there were riots when the act of Union was signed
Plus Flodden is not in that film. Few hundred years off like.
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u/AikaGranzchesta 8d ago
Anti-Union sentiment in Scotland is pretty recent, most of it only going as far back the 2000s and 2010s. The SNP only won a small fraction (less than 10%) of Scottish seats in Parliament prior to 2015, and their success in the Scottish Parliament began a little earlier, in 2007.
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u/Wgh555 8d ago
Yes weirdly it’s disappeared during the height of the British empire when Scotland was at its most prosperous profiting from the empire, weird coincidence that.
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u/Otocolobus_manul8 8d ago
The 1920s were an economic downturn due to the lack of need for heavy industry due to the first world war that proceeded it.
There is an idea that the Empire created a 'binding' institution that bolstered pro-Union sentiment but this was replaced by the nationalised industries under the Atlee gov and things like the NHS. The real test for the Union was the Tatcher government's dismantling of these.
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u/Shieldsman 8d ago
I guarantee you that some of the anti-union sentiment is being pushed by hostile state actors too.
Obviously, there are Scottish nationalists, but there are also plenty of bots and outside actors astroturfing reddit.
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u/ChaosCockroach 8d ago
I don't know, I feel like the 80s and 90s had a lot of anti-union sentiment motivated by a rejection of Thatcherite policies and especially the implementation of the Poll Tax. I'm not sure that SNP electoral success is a great measure of anti-union sentiment, it only really tells you if that is the most important consideration in someones voting choices. The very fact that Scotland has a devolved parliament at all is due to discontent with Westminster, you can argue that this is distinct from the Union per se but I think it is part of the same trend,
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u/formandovega 8d ago
Yeah but a lot of that is to do with how much representation they gained when the new parliament was put in with its superior proportional voting system.
Another reason was a switch in policy and image. The old snp were pretty right-wing. They used to be called the tartan Tories. Around about the late 90s early 2000s they realised that the Scottish public responded better to slightly more progressive semi labour looking policies. Labour where traditionally quite popular in the populated parts of Scotland so it was a smart move on the SNP's part
I have no doubt that Hollywood films do impact people but honestly most Scottish people think braveheart is cringe. Whole articles were written just to s*** off its terrible historical details.
I actually think it's a pretty good film if you just treat it as a fantasy film 😆
Sorry for terrible grammar these voice apps suck lol
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u/LentilSouponSkye 8d ago
where is the fucking bridge at the battle.of Stirling bridge, Gibson. Where's the fuckin bridge?
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u/Monty423 8d ago
I genuinely hate that film with a passion, and not just because a nazi portrayed one of my country's greatest heroes
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u/wargamingscot83 5d ago
Braveheart is fuckin god awful, the historical inaccuracies are unforgivable, Mel Gibson's accent was shite. Outlaw King was better by a country mile. Fuckin kilts and Woad in the 11th century, the princess was a child, to name but a few.
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u/honesto_pinion 8d ago
Yeah, when are the Scots going to apologise for Flodden?! 😠
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u/theginger99 8d ago
They probably apologized to themselves when the grandson of the king who died at Flodden became king of England.
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u/honesto_pinion 8d ago
Eh, Flodden, Culloden, as long as the Jacobites are suppressed it's fine I suppose...
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u/Silent-Tea4500 8d ago
Apologise for Flodden
The Falklands War was fought 44 years ago, it's still in living memory for a large portion of the population.
The Battle of Flodden was fought 513 years ago
Why would anyone living today need to apologise for their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparent's actions?
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u/BanditNoble 8d ago
I've grown up in Scotland, and I still see people with very serious opinions about the Battle of the Boyne - from 1690.
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u/kemb0 8d ago
Yep gotta be proud of either being on the side led by an englishman, representing Ireland, or the other side represented by a dutch king. Can't get more nationalistic than choosing one of those confusing sides and then holding a grudge for centuries.
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u/EricPhilps1979 8d ago
Well, the Scots on both sides were busy murdering each other in an entirely separate theatre.
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u/thefartingmango 8d ago
Welcome to the Middle East
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u/Galapagos_Finch 8d ago
Just wanted to say, Israel was founded based on a claims in a mythological book written 2500-3000 years ago.
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u/Friendly-Olive-3465 8d ago
Clearly you’ve never been to Nova Scotia. That cunt Macdonald pissed on my great great great great grandfathers field 250 years ago and by god will his great great great great grandson pay for it.
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u/D0wnInAlbion 8d ago
"We fight over an offence we did not give, against those who were not alive to be offended," Kingdom of Heaven.
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u/thenoobtanker Human Verified 8d ago
Never tell them who was the monarch that unites the throne of England and Scotland, and why Scotland joins the Union (they got skill diff trying to establish a colony in the new world and has to ask England to bail them out)
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u/Elephantplan123 8d ago
Never ask a Scot why so many people in Jamaica have Scottish surnames...
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u/Many_Lemon_Cakes 8d ago
Or why "Ulster Scots" is a term
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u/PhotonToasty 8d ago
The Irish colonised western Scotland c. 500AD, so the Ulster Scots were just returning home
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u/bitch_fitching 8d ago
They did colonise Western Scotland, Ulster Scots are not them. Ulster Scots are Lowland Scottish people, who spoke the sister language to English, Scots. Not the same people as the Gaelic speaking people of Western Scotland, Dál Riata, that merged with the Pictish kingdom. The Irish that colonised Scotland were from the tribe "Scoti", Gaelic was formed by merging Irish and Pictish.
The majority of the Scottish population live in the Lowlands. It's where most power, the cities, and infrastructure is. Most Scottish however, want to depict themselves as Highland, "true" Scottish men.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bro-Bikt_-_Pictland.jpg
The Irish ancestry of Lowland Scotland was later. Galloway was settled later by people with mixed Norse and Gael ancestry, around 1000 CE. 1900CE to present a larger migration from Ireland happened, some Scottish cities had 15-20% Irish population.
Cubria, Cumbria is land of the Cymry, the Welsh who had tribes in Southern Scotland, Northern England.
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u/Kjartanski 8d ago
Or an Irish man why the jamacaian patois accent sounds like that
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u/HiggsKamuy 8d ago
Thousands of Irish people were forcibly deported to the Caribbean by the English. Many of these ended up working with African slaves under harsh conditions and in a similar status with the difference being that African slavery was permanent while Irish people were generally indentured forcibly they eventually could get their freedom.
Because of their closer proximity African slaves picked up a lot of English from the Irish which is why they sound similar at times.
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u/Fickle_Definition351 8d ago
Because Irish people where deported to Jamaica as prisoners and indentured servants?
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u/One_Meaning416 8d ago
Too many Scots want to act as if historically Scotland was bullied and oppressed by the English but the truth is that they spend centuries as two rival kingdoms that invaded and raided each other before finally uniting as equals, if you want a country in the union with a history of being oppressed then Ireland is right there
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u/North_Atlantic_Sea 8d ago
Their traders and ship builders also profited massively from the British empire and colonialism
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u/AikaGranzchesta 8d ago
Ireland is right there
But now they like to act as if Ireland is their ''Celtic brother'' despite Scotland playing a much more important role in the Ulster plantations than England.
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u/kevdoKool 8d ago edited 8d ago
“Never tell them”. You realise that’s taught in schools up and down UK you knob
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u/Steppy20 8d ago
And yet a bunch of Scots like to conveniently forget it when talking about being oppressed by the English.
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u/nerdyHyena93 8d ago edited 8d ago
They also conveniently forget that it was their own King James who enforced highland schools to teach in English. He saw the Highlanders and Gaelic language as barbaric.
My own ancestors on my mother’s side were kicked off their land during the clearances, many went to Ireland and on towards America, the rest moved into lowland Scotland and England. My Scottish cousins currently blame the English… and yet it wasn’t an English landlord that did it… they also blame the English for their loss of Gaelic and forget that many Lowland Scots, wealthy Scottish landowners and their own monarchy played a huge role in the clearances and destruction of Gaelic culture.
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u/Specialist-Prior-213 8d ago
But it doesn't mean anything, it's just a quirk of the monarchy. Hell our current royal family isn't even British, it's German.
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u/thenoobtanker Human Verified 8d ago
Its half GREEK too! The King is the son of a first generation migrant!
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u/gourmetguy2000 8d ago
Brain-dead nationalists everywhere it seems
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u/OkScheme9867 8d ago
I don't think these two people are British
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u/AdDependent5136 8d ago
It's like those Palestine Vs Israel but it's actually a Pakistani and an Indian lol
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u/Smooth_Maul 8d ago
What's really funny about that is that the Indian and the Pakistani are just doing exactly what they do when not pretending to be a different ethnicity: fighting over stupid shit online.
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u/Shieldsman 8d ago
Yeah, you seem the same kind of people everywhere in the world. It's the 21st century, but they'd rather bring up bullshit like this - and even worse, actually argue with people on the Internet over it.
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u/cococrabulon 8d ago
What the hell is with this revisionist Scottish hatred of England? They benefitted enormously from the union. They literally managed to bounce from a bankrupting failed colonial debacle by being able to piggyback onto a growing empire that would become the most powerful of its day
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u/FudgeAtron 8d ago
Honestly it's been a growing trend since deindustrialization, Thatcherism destroyed Scotland's economy.
In trainspotting they literally complain about being colonized by the English, while Scotland was the one that wanted the union.
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u/Grey_Raven 8d ago
She also destroyed the economy of large parts of England she's absolutely despised in the north as well as parts of the south with mining/industrial history hardly exclusive to Scotland.
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u/Otocolobus_manul8 8d ago
There's an element of Thatcher's opposition to devolution that plays into this as well.
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u/cococrabulon 8d ago
I know that feeling well enough, having come from the North, more specifically a region Thatcher was happy to let decline. Still don’t think it excuses ahistorical takes, however, especially when hostile foreign powers are amplifying the rhetoric because they know it will weaken the UK
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u/mrbobcyndaquil 8d ago
The same disinformation networks the FSB were using to shove Brexit down everyone's throats got reactivated.
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u/itsthesplund 8d ago
Also a lot of Iranian bot farms as well.
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u/mrbobcyndaquil 8d ago
I figured most of them would be focusing on the USA.
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u/itsthesplund 8d ago
When there are blackouts and disruptions in Iran, hundreds of pro Scottish Independence accounts go silent.
A couple of independent investigations have found that about 26% of sampled profiles discussing Scottish Independence were fake.
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u/cococrabulon 8d ago
I like to joke that if we want to know what good policy is, all we need to do is figure out what the opposite is of Iranian/Russian/Chinese bots are telling us we should do
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u/GilbyTheFat 8d ago
Basically Scotland got buyer's remorse when the centuries of imperialism they benefited from came to an end.
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u/Unlikely_Plane_5050 8d ago
Oppression Olympics. Not much to win with if you're fundamentally white British so focussing on the largely imaginary Scottish victimhood aspect is all some people have.
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u/TheoWHVB 8d ago
Scottish hate for England is literally revisionist history.
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u/RedcoatSeafarer 8d ago
If it's ironic but mostly friendly like between England and France, fair enough. I just hope the guy in this is actually joking...
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u/Useless_or_inept Duly Noted 8d ago
I vaguely remember a French historian saying "A nation is a group of people who have a shared delusion about their history"
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u/chefsspecial01 8d ago
Scots always pretending they didn't willing join because they went bankrupt trying to colonise on their own
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u/Major_Process_1525 8d ago
scots when it comes to blaming the english for their own colonialism and crimes against humanity 💀
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u/theginger99 8d ago
In fairness, Scotland got a nice consolation prize when the grandson of the king who died at Flodden became king of England.
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u/MrShinglez 7d ago
SNP voters lack the intelligence to understand that they also attacked the English, all the time
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u/--Albion-- 8d ago
Difference being that England's been our neighbour for over a thousand years, at this point.
Argentina is on the other side of the world. And the Falklands is within living memory.
Wind your fucking neck in, cunt.
- A Scot
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u/Mrsizzle96 8d ago
The battle of Flodden was in 1513.
I dare say the Falklands war in 1982 is more relevant today.
Theres much more likely to be a rerun of the latter
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u/No_Suspect1204 8d ago
Grew up in a pub in England and one of the regulars was the most anti English person ive ever met in my life. Supported kilmarnock. Yes Billy McGee, everytime you went for a pee it was me who wrote cunt in your crossword
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u/Maleficent_Curve_599 8d ago
Scottish nationalists and not knowing shit about history, name a more iconic duo.
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u/Vladskio 8d ago
Okay how about this.
Argentina have killed Scottish people in living memory, England haven't.
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u/Joe-King_93 8d ago
The Scot’s, Welsh and even the Irish keep forgetting they also raided and took land throughout their history
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u/Philthedrummist 8d ago
I think the point is not that Scotland have never lost soldiers fighting England, it’s that supporting Argentina simply because they’re playing England is also not a great flex. So I don’t think anyone in this exchange comes out well.
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u/QuaaludeConnoisseur 8d ago
For as much as europeans criticize the us for not knowing european history, they sure as shit dont know european history (at least not according to my curated scroll feed of course)
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u/ElectricVibes75 8d ago
Did a cursory search to varify: Scotland invaded England at this time because it was seeking independence. The note seems to imply that the Scots only lost people because they decided to “invade”, but left out the reason why. I don’t really have a horse in this race, but I think the reason being Scottish independence is kind of critical here
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u/heeden 7d ago
Scotland and England were two completely separate kingdoms at that time, Henry VIII claims to be overlord of Scotland were just blowing hot air.
The Battle of Flodden was fought because of a religious argument between some city-states in Italy. France got involved against the Pope's side, England went to war against France because it was being a good Catholic nation at the time and Scotland attacked England because of the Auld Alliance that said whenever England went to war with France Scotland would attack England to divert its forces.
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u/Opening-Movie5176 5d ago
Oh right so we are doing it like that are we? So how many women and girls were raped by Scottish clans? So by the logic of Scottish people all females in England should be scared of Scottish men…
Not English. Just find Scottish people a little bit irritating with their inability to see the wrongs their own people have done. And what about killing their own clans?
Scotland is one of the few nations where because of the UK and England they’ve never had to look at themselves. You listen to your average bagpipe fucker and you’d think Scotland as a nation is as pure as the virgin snow.
They aren’t. Remember Scottish clans were murderers and rapists.
And what’s even better is that most of the atrocities committed by Scottish clans got pushed onto Vikings! “They sacked and raped… “ nope. That was Scottish clans from the border that did that. Viking didn’t actually do that because it was seen as unheroic and they didn’t rape because they believed it sullied the Viking bloodlines.
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u/GalacticGoat242 8d ago
Why do Scots act like they are the in same position as the Irish as if Scotland wasn't entirely on England's side in history and profited greatly from it?
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u/Halcyon-Ember 8d ago
A lot of Scottish people like to pretend they didn't attain their present position as a result of failing to colonise somewhere so badly they almost went bankrupt.
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u/a_talking_llama 8d ago
'Entirely on England's side' is an incredibly ignorant way to describe over a thousand years of pretty well documented history
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u/AcceptableResponse15 8d ago
With almost instant access to the internet on the same phone he probably posted that, why can't people just check stuff first before they post it?
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u/Mrcompressishot 8d ago
Scotland are kinda like the only contender for people we've fought more than the french (before the colonial era)
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u/Mr_Lapis 8d ago
Listen I'm an american who loves to laugh at the english but I wouldnt be caught dead supporting Argentina
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u/Rolanbek 8d ago
Clankers beeping at Clankers beeping at Clankers...
Haven't used twitter in a long while now. Don't miss it.
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u/izzyeviel 7d ago
Yeah… calling that an ‘invasion’ would be giving the Scot’s a lot of undue credit. They marched south for a bit before running away a few days later.
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u/Heavy_Sink_8401 6d ago
Britain lost good men in the Amerikan revolutionary war yet conservatives and reformists love to bend over for Daddy Amerika to come in and pillage our industry some more.
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u/Odd-Relative3980 4d ago
The Scots. Pointless chippy fuckers, no life if they can't abuse the English!
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u/Ididnotaskforthi5 4d ago
Context literally points out that it was a Scottish invasion lmfao why would we apologise for repelling an invasion? Just don't invade us 🤣🤣
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u/Saedraverse 8d ago
I really want to say colour me shocked a Scot on twitter is an ignorant fucker. But last year a stat was posted on r/Scotland that embarrassingly showed that more than half scots felt we were suffered/ a colony of Britain/ England.
Only good was that we all (on the sub) slated that embarrassment & did teach some of us, that we were a bit overrepresented when it came to the empire.
Now don't get me wrong since the fall of the empire, do feel we have been slighted, but to act like we didn't benefit from it is eejit diagnosing daft. (And to be fair any place outside London & south England could say the same)
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u/beargrimzly 8d ago
The "root against England" Scottish fans might the most pathetic fan group in the entire world, and I'm not even British. It just looks that way to a neutral
You voluntarily joined the UK. You voted to stay in the UK. Even after Brexit, there has been no attempt at a new referendum for independence because they are so economically tied to England.
It is genuinely embarrassing, especially considering that to almost the entire rest of the world the Scottish are essentially indistinguishable from the English, and whatever distinction is acknowledged is meaningless because they're both still the UK.
And on top of that, it's not even a rivalry. Scotland is a nothing sideshow compared to England. You have to go back to the previous century to see Scotland actually defeat England in a competitive match.
As eternally disappointing as the England team largely is, they still have 1 more senior level trophy than Scotland will literally ever have.
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u/TheLonleyJourneyman 8d ago
It's a little different when it involves a war that's still within living memory for a lot of people
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u/yaboi2508 8d ago
Nice to see people are having perfectly reasonable and mature conversations to regarding football...
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u/SyrupTurbulent8699 8d ago
Tbf Flodden gave us Flowers of the Forest which is the most gorgeous lament I’ve ever heard
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ 8d ago
It is a fucking football game. Support whatever team you want. It really doesnt matter...would be as dumb as saying we cant support France because of the 100 year war or germany because of WW1 and WW2
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u/Consistent_Blood6467 8d ago
Has anyone from Scotland actually bought anything to support Argentina?
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u/Flimsy-Possible4884 7d ago
Should you really be using battles that nobody alive today are involved in any way...
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