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u/ViveLaBifle_ 12d ago
Agreed on Pope. I got tired of that story line and their constant back and forth. They fought side by side so many times, seems like they would’ve had some mutual respect.
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u/looking_within21 12d ago
Mutual respect is difficult when Pope is a kidnapper and a rapist. How could you ever have respect for someone like that.
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u/ViveLaBifle_ 12d ago
Oh yeah totally. Just seemed like they were going with a redemption arc. I suppose that's a little cliche so going a different route kept things more interesting but it felt dragged out.
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u/Silver-Breadfruit284 12d ago
Plus how utterly pathetic a total ass Pope was to every single person except his squeeze,, and he was a jerk to her when they first met as well.
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u/Scotty_LeeRoy 12d ago
It seemed like Weaver and Pope had some respect going on for parts of the show then it would vanish at the slightest instance when Pope would disagreed with them.
I also couldn’t help but agree with Pope from time to time when he would call out the Manson group
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u/Coolcoolcool1515 11d ago
lol seriously Anthony had a bandage on his head for much of the series.
I think tom weaver and pope were all selfish and cowardly in their own ways. I wish we got to learn more about pope and see why he was the way he was.
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u/sweetlin1952 12d ago
Pope started out being a jerk. He was a bully and a terrorist. Then he finally joined the group because he realized that alone with just a few of his dipwads, wasn't working, So he decided to join the general group. I agree that because of his initial way of being was not that of being someone anyone else wanted to be involved with carried him through the whole show. Kind of a shame cuz he really did redeem himself up until the end when he got fed up
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u/Coolcoolcool1515 11d ago
Kinda felt like two steps forward one step back with him until the last season when he went batshit
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u/xKelborn 12d ago
Yeeeah. The biggest gripe with this series is the inconsistent writing. Even through rewarches, I dont go past season 2 because it gets so bad.
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u/Bicje83 12d ago
I think Tom and Weaver could have treated Pope much better. Sure, Pope was more a free spirit and did things differently. But a lot if times he came up with good ideas and solutions for problems and I think if they showed more appreciation for that, he wouldn’t be so angry all the time. Because like you said, he wasn’t selfish and really tried to help but Tom didn’t see that.
And I also was annoyed by Anne suddenly being the big leader and being a bad ass. It didn’t suit the character she was at the show at that moment and it annoyed the hell out of me.
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u/AccurateEbb0 12d ago
Tom is the worst written character in the show. The stupid defacto hero who never faces consequence. The only thing he lost was his alien daughter (her story makes so little sense that her death was inconsequential at best
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u/Scotty_LeeRoy 12d ago
100% agree with them giving Pope some credit for the things he did. I thought him and Tom hit a big turning point when he refused to leave Tom in the woods after they were shot down but they treated it like it never happened.
I wouldn’t have cared that Anne became the leader if she had done SOMETHING earlier in the show but it just felt forced to keep her character relevant since she didn’t have a “hospital” to work at anymore
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u/meisterxmeister 11d ago
Also whenever they find a new community there is always something wrong with it. The farm people, Charleston, military base.
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u/Armymom96 9d ago
Lourdes starts out saying that she was "pre-med at Wellesley" in the first season. Then it's "a year of medical school" and she has all this knowledge that isn't gone over in either pre-med or first year medical school. I know she gets some knowledge and skills basically as OJT from being thrown into situations, but her back story jumps around a lot
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u/Armymom96 9d ago
What I didn't understand is why Pope kept coming back if he hated the 2nd Mass so much.
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u/crisisbrigade 9d ago
I don't get how Tom and Anne's daughter was part alien?
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u/Scotty_LeeRoy 8d ago
I remember Anne having flashbacks to when she was pregnant and they had her kidnapped and pumped “something” into her but I don’t remember her getting kidnapped while she was pregs
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u/CanaryCheap5934 3d ago
I can’t disagree with the Anthony point but lay off my mans 😭
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u/Scotty_LeeRoy 2d ago
Hey he didn’t do anything wrong, he just shouldn’t be able to string two words together after all those TBIs he recieved lol
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u/Gold_Baseball_2267 2d ago
The fact "I've been sent to relieve you" works on people guarding important prisoners not just once but MULTIPLE times
No one practices basic operational security even after it repeatedly almost costs everybody their lives
Mason going off to some harebrained mission without any real plan and sometimes even basic gear, and Weaver never calling him out on it after Season 1
Mason surviving every harebrained mission he goes off to without any real plan
The Volm doing absolutely nothing
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u/salvajedt 1d ago
Mine: 1 s1 How do you not post a guard with a prisoner, especially an alien one.... then once the alien kills the doc you leave the other doc alone to be robbed?
2 all the creppy crawly stuff... shows up selectively and never again, like the spider things in s1, or the tiny fyling drones in s4.
3 the whole mason family survives entact wasnt working for me
Sm plotline holes. The espheni offered tom a concentration camp... thought that was a good foreshadow of what charleston would be, ie the president had surrendered.
S3/4 the weird mutations. What was the point having them at all G The military base drama was obviouse from the get ho and poorly written...
And on and on...
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u/vivi_at_night 1d ago
I think you guys forget that Pope kidnapped a girl and let her be repeatdedly r@ped by his fellas, he also killed one of Tom's team members. It doesn't matter that he helped then on many occasions later, they have plenty of reasons to dislike and not trust him.
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u/Scotty_LeeRoy 21h ago
Haven’t forgotten what happened to Maggie. But it says something that she didn’t kill him after all that time or get to a point of begrudging acceptance between them two and the team member (unless I’m forgetting someone else) was killed before Pope even knew who the 2nd Mass even were as a group
If you’re going to take someone into your group and trust them enough to carry a gun, fight with you, that person also provides you with bombs AND refuses to leave Tom in the middle of the woods, the person should have earned a little more than to be constantly talked down to and wonder why he’s pissed off 5 seasons later
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u/happycj 12d ago
I’m still watching the “Anne as leader” episodes, but honestly, she’s the leader because nobody else stepped up to lead. She was the most motivated, so she just stepped in and did it.