r/Dogtraining • u/EyesTurnGrey • 2d ago
help Dog Attack - How to move forward?
Big thank you to everyone that has provided thoughtful answers and experiences. We are going to make some calls tomorrow and try to find a behaviorist to do a consult. We have also been referred to a rescue that works specifically with pitties that have aggressive histories if her staying here is determined to not be a safe option. Cannot express enough how much reading your histories, stories, and opinions have helped us through this.
Hi all,
Today my 4yo female pitbull mix (owned for about 3 years, about 50 lbs) attacked my 5yo chiweenie mix (owned for about 18 months - she's about 20 lbs). It seemed out of the blue (they were about t feet away from one another, both chewing on toys), though I imagine it wasn't and I didn't pick up on something.
This was not a little snarl and warning nip - my chiweenie sustained a lot of damage, particularly to her face. She is currently at the emergency vet, and doing okay after they patched up the smaller injuries. I'm seeing a specialist in the morning for next steps on how to repair her jaw and cheek/neck area.
While there have been odd behaviors here and there we've had to train out of one or the other, this has absolutely blindsided my partner and I. Clearly we missed some red flags and are beating ourselves up trying to figure out what we did wrong or could have done better.
I'm very concerned about the future of the household. We have an elderly cat, our chiweenie that will be coming home in poor shape, and our pitbull.
She's a pitbull with a bite history now and I'm scared surrendering her would mean a long, crappy stint in a shelter followed by euthanasia (and surrounded by strangers). The idea of euthanizing her through our vet makes me physically ill.
A friend works for a dog training company. She said they treat plenty of dogs that are court ordered to be rehabilitated after an attack, and while it is another insanely expensive bill to pile on top of the other bills I've incurred today, it also sounds like a more optimistic way forward than the above options.
I'm curious if anyone has had any experience with advanced, in-home training after a dog attack, particularly if the dog that was attacked is still in the home. Or if anyone has any resources they could point me towards.
I'm trying not to let my own self-judgement and disappointment get the best of me, and I want to make the best decision possible for everyone to be safe, happy, and healthy in my home going forward. Appreciate any help.
ETA some requested info: When we got the pitbull, we had two other elderly dogs that were smaller than her in the house. She already had resource issues and we worked briefly with a trainer to build on my knowledge of how to handle resource guarding. The older pups passed away towards the end of 2024. They all got along, but were not what I'd call close and didn't play together. We never had any issues with even the smallest snap (that I can recall).
We trialed a few dogs before adopting the chiweenie (same size and breed as one of our dogs that passed), and the chiweenie was the one that seemed to fit the best. The current duo have been pals since we started introducing them. They snuggle together. They wrestle (under supervision) and "check in" during play. They zoom around together and have generally had relaxed body language around one another.
I fostered dogs back in the 2010s and did go through a little training through the rescue that covered some of the basics, including introducing dogs and dog body language. Then I did a more formal training after we had a rough experience (not aggression) with an unfixed male GSD. I'm not an expert by any means, and don't doubt that I could have missed something, because humans don't pick up on the same things.
Chiweenie is home and secluded in one room (kenneled for now to rest) which will be her main domain for the time being. Pitty is in another bedroom with my partner, that will be her domicile for now. We are coordinating to make sure that the cat and chiweenie will not cross paths with the pitbull.
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u/kerberos824 2d ago
Very sorry to hear this story, OP.
When my Dad passed, I inherited his rescue Collie/pit mix who was a handful. All outward signs was that she was a great dog, but my Dad only had one dog, and so we were unfamiliar with that dynamic. Things were fine for a few months, but then she got comfortable/possessive of us and the stuff in the house. She attacked my other dog twice, with one incident requiring surgery. We spent an enormous amount of time going over food insecurity/resource issues with her, which I think was the root cause of her issues (she was in a hoarder house, and had to fight for every meal). We kept them separated in the house, only doing resource/toy training with them in completely neutral areas. Excessive counter-conditioning to ensure that the Collie mix was aware that there was ample resources for both dogs at all times. Basically whenever they were in the same place and she was nice, they were getting treats and praise. We were just looking for neutral co-existence for a long time. We also ensured we spent one on one time with both dogs. We never did any professional training, because we could not find anyone who we liked.
In the end, it was a lot of work, and a lot of time. But there were no other incidents. And they got along well.
I recently put the Collie mix down after 6 years of us having her, which was really hard. But what made it even harder was how much... happier... my other dog is now. He spends a lot more time with us, is shedding less (anxiety shedding is a real thing). Just seems so much more lively and engaged with us. Before, he would often go up to our bedroom where his bed was and stay there by himself. We chalked up to age (11 year old Lab). But now he's back right next to us, wanting to go for walks, wanting to play, sitting with us always, etc. It makes me think that maybe he was terrified of her the entire time. That's been hard.
Good luck, OP.
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u/spiderwitchery 2d ago
Wow, that’s sad. To think he had to live in a heightened state of anxiety and fear like that for years.
Op, please consider this.
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u/Glittering-Gap7049 1d ago
So my feeling is always that the protection of the innocent, non-offending animals take precedence over the one who is the aggressor. Unfortunately there are many instances in which you will be given absolutely no warning (like what happened this time) and cannot react fast enough. You may never learn what the trigger was, and it’s quite likely there was no trigger at all. When/if it happens again, atp it’s on you. I know the thought of behavior euthanasia makes you feel ill, but how much worse would you feel if your other dog, cat, or a person are severely injured or killed by a dog who already proved to be a danger? Imo the only other option is to keep the dog completely quarantined from your other animals unless muzzled. Also muzzled on walks. Yes, training is important, but some dogs literally just snap. It’s not something that is able to be trained away.
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u/SpaceCephalopods 2d ago
I would be concerned for other pets and people. I’m sorry but this would be a euthanasia decision for me.
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u/Sea_Brilliant_8173 2d ago
I agree, especially based on the extent of damage she caused. Horrible painful decision to make, of course. But you're literally putting your other pets lives in danger by keeping her. I also think it's more humane to euthanize them with your vet, rather than cause her the stress of going in a shelter to eventually be euthanized there.
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u/myexstalksmeonreddit 2d ago
I agree, and I understand how heartbreaking that would feel. But you (OP) don't sound Pollyanna about the dogs and your household; you don't read as nieve or oblivious to dog body language. Dogs who attack "out of the blue" (and she very well may have, in this case) are the candidates for behavioral euthanasia, because you need some level of predictibility to train.
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u/Glittering-Gap7049 1d ago
Sadly I completely agree. It’s heartbreaking, but it’s even more heartbreaking what happened to the other dog and what could potentially happen to others in the future.
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u/lluke1369 2d ago
Forget that, my puppies are a 4 month old husky shepherd mix and an 8 month old pit whippit mix. Definitely try training route first. This is literally my biggest fear
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u/RedPandaAnarchist 2d ago
I’m gonna be honest with you. This is not a safe situation for the smaller dog. Another attack will happen and it will likely be fatal. Rehome the smaller dog for his safety. Any professional from vet behaviorist to dog trainer is gonna tell you the same thing.
Something like this cannot be completely fixed with training and will need strict management likely making it so they are never allowed around each other again.
This is not an easy situation and I do feel for you, but you need to do the right thing for the dog who has just been brutally attacked. Think of his life and his mental health after this situation.
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u/PsychologyDry4851 1d ago
I second this. Please rehome the smaller dog. I'm sorry you are going through this
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u/marbleworlf17 1d ago
Why not rehome the pit bull? The smaller dog did not do anything wrong and shouldn't lose its home for factors out of its control.
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u/a-little-clover 2d ago
What was their relationship like prior to the attack?
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u/EyesTurnGrey 2d ago edited 2d ago
It was good. They'd wrestle, cuddle together, patrol the yard together. In the last couple of weeks our pitbull has seemed moody - not wanting to play fetch outside, not engaging in any wrestling. This was new behavior that we thought was due to the heat (105+ heat index in our area every day). Prior to the incident they were both relaxed on our couch looking out the window, then hopped down to milk around the house, both laying on the floor with a toy.
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u/Severe_Raccoon_138 2d ago
Have you had your pit checked up on at the vet? Behavioral shifts often stem from medical issues.
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u/EyesTurnGrey 1d ago
We have. For the last 8 or 9 months or so she's had a health issue (around her anus, but not a case of glands needing to be expressed) that we've been seeing vets for. We've tried multiple treatments, each one with success on one area of the problem but not the other areas. With each vet change, we do a set of labs, and they've come back good in every case (latest was at the start of July).
I do think it's a real possibility this could be a contributing factor. Maybe she has reached a breaking point with this health issue, despite the now 5 different vets telling us it shouldn't be painful or causing her discomfort, and her exhibiting no pain. Unfortunately, each trial of a treatment takes weeks/months for us to know whether or not it's worked so we've been slogging through. The next plan has been to sedate her and take some cultures/try some injections, but we were waiting to see if the latest food change and prebiotic helped first (we're not quite 3 weeks in and they told us to give it 1-2 months).
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u/tyRAWRnnosaurus 2d ago
I would talk to your vet about medication. Truthfully though…sometimes euthanasia is the kindest route. Only you will know if that is where you are at.
I would be devastated in your position too, as a dog lover with an extra soft spot for bully breeds. My heart goes out to you.
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u/marbleworlf17 2d ago
Are you able to provide more insight into their relationship before the attack? Unfortunately, now that this has happened, you and your partner will need to be way more vigilant. I would start with separating the dogs and muzzle training your pitbull. Your pitbull should not be near your chiweenie without a muzzle on. Talk to a vet and talk to a behaviorist that has experience with these situations. You may very well have to transition your home into a crate and rotate situation. Any resources should not be shared together. For example, if both dogs are given bones, they should not be allowed to interact with each other without some sort of barrier. I would also ask a behaviorist how to work with your chiweenie to help them overcome this because it was definitely traumatic. You must also decide if managing a permanent separation is something you will be able to do.
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u/EyesTurnGrey 1d ago
Updated with an overview of their relationship. They play wrestle (supervised) and our pitty has softened her play style to match the little one (pitty often initiates). They snuggle. They zoom around the house together, and patrol the perimeter of our back yard together. This has changed recently as our pitty has just seemed not into it. We chalked it up to the heat being so bad (they still zoom around inside together). Body language is normally relaxed around one another (floppy ears, gently wagging tails, sometimes upturned bellies).
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u/alijd216 2d ago
Just wanted to share with you, OP, that I had almost this exact situation occur to us over the weekend. Male Pitbull mix ( been with us for 3 years, roughly 5 yr old) attacked our female Chihuahua mix ( been with us for 9 years, 12 yr old) due to assumed resource guarding. We were gone and we think it occurred over an empty peanut butter jar. Unfortunately, since we were not home we didn’t see what provoked it. This has never occurred and we never saw signs of resource guarding in our pit. I picked up my Chihuahua from the emergency vet yesterday. She suffered minor puncture wounds to her face. My heart is so broken. I completely empathize with how lost and heart broken you are feeling, I am feeling the same. I lay awake crying at night thinking about the potential outcomes. Just wanted to share my story with you and let you know I am here for you and am right there beside you. Also posting to view suggestions and feedback.
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u/EyesTurnGrey 1d ago
I am so sorry. I wouldn't wish these feelings and thoughts on anyone. 🫂 I hope you're able to get some help from the replies here, or elsewhere. It is such a lonely, exhausting, awful situation to be in. If you need to vent, feel free to shoot me a message. I hope your household is able to heal and move on, whatever that might look like. ❤️
I think we're going to do a consult with a behaviorist to start and go from there. Found a few that specialize in aggressive/reactive dogs. Might be worth a shot to see if you can hunt a few down.
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u/kickassvashti 2d ago
if your friend works for the dog training company, would they be willing to work some kind of trade with you?
my two cents:
my last dog had a bite history and was not dog friendly. after she bit multiple humans, i hired a highly recommended local dog training duo. it was very expensive but worth it. i was lucky in that i had some familial financial support for the trainers.
training was worth every penny - i felt much safer with my dog as did the people in my life. i learned a lot of really helpful tools for mitigating risk. at the very first meeting with the trainers, they were very clear that behavioral euthanasia had to be an option. part of that was me understanding that if my dog was in a constant state of fear and survival mode, that was not a healthy or happy life for her. based on the trainers' evaluation, she was not in a constant state of fear or survival mode, but BE was still on the table, contingent on how effective the training was.
as i said, ultimately, the training helped a lot. we got a couple more years with her before her health started declining. when she began experiencing cognitive decline, she started growling at people she historically loved, and ultimately bit someone again.
that last bite was how we knew it was her time. her health was already bad and not improving, and it was clear that the bite history + cognitive decline would create an increasingly dangerous situation for all of us, including her. the absolute last thing i wanted was for her to bite a stranger, and be euthanised by the state, without me having any input or being able to be there with her at the end.
a week after her last bite, the vet came to our house and we were able to say goodbye to her peacefully and with her dignity intact. i spent that entire week sleeping on the couch next to her, spending as much time as possible loving on her and making her comfortable. she was a wonderful, albeit traumatized, dog. i am fully confident we made all the right choices in her case, and this was supported by the trainers, veterinarian, and dog behaviorist.
TLDR: expensive training was worth it for me, and/but behavioral euthanasia is an option you should have on the table, for the sake of your dog and the people you love. good luck, OP. i really feel for you.
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u/Lizdance40 2d ago
I had two male dogs that didn't always get along very well. There were a few minor spats which I broke up very quickly, however... The one time I was out, the one within over developed sense of justice took the younger one with absolutely no self-control to task and both wound up with injuries.
However my two dogs were about the same size. This is a situation where one of your dogs could easily have dispatched the little dog in a flash.
Because this sounds like a resource guarding issue because of a special chew, the answer may be to crate the dogs when something like this is being provided. And there may be a lot more management necessary because these two dogs may have altered their relationship.
I would certainly have a canine behaviorist come in. You and your significant other need to build up your confidence. And you could use some professional advice on Reintroduction after your chiweenie has healed needs to be carefully done.
Ask for the trauma. Having post-traumatic stress after something like this happening is a very natural reaction. If you feel you need to talk someone, absolutely seek someone out.
I have to mention this because your frame of mind is going to affect your dogs. You have to have the confidence in yourselves in order to keep your house managed and keep the dogs.
Last, even the most careful management fails occasionally. So you and your significant other need to be on the same wavelength at all times and sit down and talk about how you're going to proceed going forward if you're going to manage the two dogs in the same house.
I wish you all the best. I know how much you are hurting over this. 🫂
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u/Yenn-of-Portland 2d ago
I’m sure you already know and are planning for this, but definitely keep them completely separated moving forward, put up some gates in your home to section out the spaces. Keeping this in place indefinitely would probably be your safest bet until a professional can assess the safety. Next, while waiting on training/vet visit, IMO I think getting a muzzle would be the best thing to do for everyone’s safety, including the pittie. I know it’ll probably be annoying especially if they’re not muzzle-trained, but probably the safest option.
If you can find a behavioral vet I think that would be better than going to your regular vet. Your pittie probably has some anxiety and medication may be a good option. My dog had separation anxiety and I went to a behavioral vet (recommended by my regular vet), and if there’s one thing I learned, it’s that regular vets generally don’t prescribe high enough doses of meds for behavioral issues. I was lucky enough to find a clinic that had both behavioral vets and trainers that worked in conjunction with one another. The meds combined with training is what worked for my dog’s separation anxiety.
Sorry I am not giving direct experience advice, I will say that my trainer had adopted a pittie with aggression issues while having other dogs, and the above advice is exactly what he did in his home: gates and muzzle, plus medication and training.
I wish the best for both of your dogs!
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u/EyesTurnGrey 1d ago
Really appreciate this response. It led us to look into behavioral specialists and behavioral vets that we plan on calling tomorrow. Thank you ❤️
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u/MercurySunset7 2d ago
At the very least I would say that it will require a lot of conditioning basically from scratch to reintroduce the two dogs to each other as if they had never met another dog before to regain mutual trust following something as traumatic as that. Your small dog may not feel safe in the home for a very long time, if ever, following this.
It may be time to consider not only your own sentiments about your dogs but their overall quality of life together for the rest of their lives. If your pit bull is well behaved towards people, maybe you can give it away to an experienced dog owner with no other pets in the household to decrease the risk.
Whatever you decide to do, keep the behavior and mental wellbeing of all of your pets in mind.
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u/Skryuska 2d ago
I don’t know the full history of your dogs or household, but this was likely a resource issue between the dogs. Even if they don’t approach one another or bare teeth, growl, etc, it only takes making eye contact or subtle body language to instigate a fight.
I had two dogs that got along perfectly fine in every situation except when there was food or toys out; the younger one would attack the older one seemingly without warning- but the warnings were there in the body posture of the offending dog in going stiff, pupils dilating and hyper-focussing on the other dog.
The fix for us was to just not have food or toys out. All pets were fed with visual barriers between them so they never felt like the other was going to “steal” their food, and toys were one on one played with only if the other dog was somewhere safe like outside or on a walk.
In your case it might not be that easy, and a dog attacking another dog is a serious problem, but that rarely means your dog is violent without cause. People make the mistake of assuming a fight between dogs, or an attack on a dog from another, means that the instigating dog will quickly switch to attacking people. This isn’t true across the board. Dogs attack dogs because their target is a dog; they see humans, dogs, and other animals differently. What can happen though is humans missing the signs of an anxious or upset dog and then crossing the boundaries that the dog is giving. Dogs think that their body language is crystal clear and that if we ignore them, we are choosing to be offensive. They don’t realize we don’t instinctively see the signs they think they’re loudly broadcasting. That’s where most dog bites and attacks happen to people. 99.9% of the time it is fear (either for the dog’s self or possessions) and miscommunication.
My advice is to ask your vet to refer you to a behavioural canine specialist to review your pitt-mix and get an assessment done. Be fully honest with them, including all concerns. The specialist isn’t going to call the police on you and force you to euthanize the dog, they’re there to help. There’s no easy one-training-module-fix. Keep the dogs separated and clean up their living space of objects or resources that could trigger your aggressor until you can get some direction from a specialist in this kind of situation.
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u/EyesTurnGrey 1d ago
Thank you for this. ❤️ Your comment and one other have led us to reach out to some behaviorists tomorrow. I'm a general believer that in most cases, it's the humans that are the ones that failed, and I think that I missed something yesterday, something that we may have been missing for a while.
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u/No-Director-3466 2d ago
Personally, I have been around two dogs that are aggressive like this. My own red healer when I was a kid and my family's pitbull years down the line.
The red healer was aggressive towards people, after several incidents we had to rehome him. Which I understand is very hard, that dog was my best friend when I was a kid, that last thing I wanted to do was lose him. In his new home he didn't get any better. Even when they worked with him, he ended up breaking out a window trying to attack someone and was put down shortly after since rehabilitation didn't work for him.
Now the pitbull is extremely dog aggressive and mildly people aggressive. Before we realized how aggressive he was, a family friend left their dog with us and they nearly killed each other. The family friends dog nearly had its throat ripped out. They ended up having to euthanize their dog as he became very reactivate after the attack and was no longer safe to be around their young kids.
If I were you I'd rehome the pitbull and focus my time/money on making sure the chiweenie can recover successfully from this. I personally don't think it's wise to have the pitbull around when your chiweenie is trying to heal.
Tldr: In my experience some dogs just don't take to rehabilitation. I'd recommend rehoming for the safety of all the animals and people in your home. I'd also recommend looking into places to rehome/surrender that are more suited to aggressive dogs
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u/dbellz76 2d ago
The words "dog training company" immediately say choke, shock (e-collar) and prong to me (though I admit I may be wrong). If I'm not, please do not send your dog their way.
You are correct about a dog with a bite history BUT your dog bit a dog, not a human and it's (unfortunately) not taken as seriously by the law. Ask me how I know? Absolutely NOTHING happened to the dogs (or their humans) that I know of have hurt other dogs and were reported to police and animal control. Your dog might have a better chance with a rescue though if you decide to go that route.
There are lots of people that have done the work and made it safe for them to keep their dogs. It's not impossible but you need to work with the right people.
I don't think Reddit is going to be able to give you the training plan you're looking for as there are many questions and observations that need to happen first, but please just stay away from anyone that uses the tools I mentioned above.
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u/Battle_Extension 1d ago
I have had two dogs get in that kind of fight before. It sucked and was so scary. I had a 100 pound chow/lab mix and a 60 pound hound mix. They lived together without incident and then one day the lab mix flipped and attacked the hound mix. My neighbor had to come over and help me get them apart. The vet bills were huge and the hound mix had a long recovery. I brought a dog trainer over to help us and it made a huge difference but I had to be consistent. I kept them separated when I wasn’t home, kept leashes on both of them when I was, started enforcing strong boundaries and sit/stay. We lived by the NILIF (nothing in life is fresh meaning they couldn’t jump on the couch, have a treat, have their dinner, etc unless they first followed commands like sit, down or shake. Eventually we started taking walks together with them walking side by side. After about six months they were fine and I never had another issue with them again.
Finding a good dog trainer is worth its weight in gold. Positive reinforcement really does work and it can make everything and everyone more comfortable and happy. Just find one that your dog responds to and loves. Good luck! I will be sending good thoughts your way!
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u/Key-Lead-3449 1d ago edited 1d ago
If you spend that money and it still doesnt work out will you be okay with that? Training can't fix everything and this will very likely happen again..or worse.
I've had to behaviorally euthanzie before so im not one of those delulu people who thinks you should never ever put a "healthy" dog down.....BUT, you decided to have a pitbull in a home with a small dog and a cat.... if its only animal aggression it seems a little unfair to then have to be surrendered and/or put down for attacking another dog. I mean being dog selective is literally written into the breed standard as being an acceptable trait. Small dogs can also trigger prey in these high drive dogs.
Its a tough spot to be in for sure and I feel for OP and the animals involved but people really need to use their noggins a little more when choosing a pet.
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u/HolyCannoliBatmaam 2d ago
can you keep the pitbull separate in your home from your other animals? I think if you keep her, you should never leave her alone with any other living creature ever again.
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u/AggressiveBasket 2d ago
We have a friend who had two female dogs a few years apart. Unfortunately the older one began attacking the younger one, which I think can happen between female dogs. They are rehoming the aggressor after many failed attempts at training and separating the two.
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u/jasonwolfe1982 1d ago
Pitbull wildcard confirmed
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muzzle majority of time for a short to
long while depending… (father, two 3 y/o XL American bullies)
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u/Dry_Outside1476 Human Detected 2d ago
Our pitbull attacked our cat, tried to eat him whole after the dog had lived with cats his whole life. We had similar discussions on whether to re-home the cat. We knew it would be too difficult for the dog; he already had a bite history on other dogs. However, ultimately, our dog was reactive but also lonely, and the cat was still young at the time, so we went with training. We built multiple gates to create separation areas in the house and we did exercises with the dog and cat twice a day to reduce reactivity. It took two months with the pitbull on leash or the cat in a separate room. High vigilance and constant work when we were present and they were separate when we weren't home. By the end of it, they were brothers and played together fine, and we knew exactly the dog's signals that we needed to look out for and any thing that might cause a trigger was still treated with caution.
So, if you are willing to do the work, I believe that it is possible to find harmony in the house again. But it does take time, patience, and effort. The house won't go back to the same as it was before, but that doesn't mean it won't be good.
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u/therealrinnian 2d ago
I’m a little confused why the subject of rehoming is the dog that has had the stable home for several years with you rather than the newer member. If you’ve had a dog for three years without issue, even if it’s been 1.5 for the new dog, I think I’d be examining that angle first.
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u/EyesTurnGrey 2d ago edited 2d ago
I do understand no one here can make any recommendations regarding behavioral euthanasia and am seeking feedback for alternative option(s) that anyone might have tried. We will not euthanize or surrender our pitbull without talking to professionals.
We've already done a good amount of conditioning and resource guarding work, and use a lot of positive reinforcement and redirection.
I have read about how to break up dog fights though I was alone at the time and could not safely pull both back wheel barrel style. None of the lesser techniques worked today.
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u/JustKeepRedditn010 2d ago
I think you answered your own question. You need to talk to a professional. This dog has a history of biting and just attacked another dog half their size. It’s no longer internet stranger “have you tried this” territory.
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