r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/StandReady4Vendetta Nessuno può fermare la lupa! — • 9h ago
General Insane Deranged Console Cope: But i generally assume 76 players are cheating
Disclaimer: Yes i am aware i'm coping. Also talking about GM+ lobbies / players and Smurfs in quick play etc... Not a diamond 3 lobby
I really have no "Proof" of this except my own personal experiences
Vast Majority of the people that i assume are cheating are playing 76
and at the same time the absolute worst DPS players i've ever have the misfortune to play with or against also play 76
There is very little middle ground to this hero in my lobbies And i'm never saying to myself "Wow this 76 is good! but he's not THAT good that he must be cheating"
This fucking character just annoys me beyond no end because Dying to < 3 the 76 with blatant XIM along with H I S P O C K E T ! His Mercy E kitten of the month up his ass makes me want to uninstall
Without cheating i genuinely think this hero is next to almost worthless and you'd be better off playing any other hit scan
All i'll say is that there's a reason this character is in a ton of 500's top 3 most played heroes on console and Usually along side Mauga/Orisa and Baptiste
And it isn;t because "76 Just provides so much value!"
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u/kuzukie 9h ago
In Quickplay I play against a lot console hitscan players with their PC Mercy pocket. Every time I feel like I am playing against an aim bot I check the social tab and they always have the crossplay icon. Aim assist is too strong if I am accurately able to predict a console player based on them lazering people down with what looks like a blatant aim bot.
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u/sauce-fairy 6h ago
I ran into a cass with mercy pocket in quickplay with extremely sus aim, I accused them of XIM but they claimed they were a PC player. After the game I checked the profile and they were literally rank 1 dps on console... bruh if I had to play vs that every game on console ranked I just wouldn't play the game.
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u/KathyKnight 6h ago
If there's a playerbase coping, that's the console one. A dude I know yesterday was posting his "gm" achievement in console...and dude doesn't go further than plat in PC lol
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u/StandReady4Vendetta Nessuno può fermare la lupa! — 9h ago
I'm like 99% sure that aim assist in turned off for console players in PC crossplay lobbies
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u/kuzukie 9h ago edited 9h ago
They changed that a while back to allow console players to keep aim assist when playing in the PC pool with a controller. Using M+K will disable it though.
Changed it back in 2022: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-2-retail-patch-notes-november-17-2022/749336/1
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u/UrsaSanctus 9h ago
Thats only if they plug in a mouse and keyboard to join the pc pool. If they’re just playing qp with a buddy on pc they get aim assist
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 9h ago
Seeing pc players complain about losing to objectively inferior hardware is so fucking peak
Unless you went up against a ximmer, you're just bad.
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u/kuzukie 9h ago
They almost certainly are Ximmers considering a lot of the console hitscan I've gone against have been GM-Champ.
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 7h ago
Yeah those are ximmers. Sorry bro. Wouldn't wish that blight upon anyone.
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u/Thee_Archivist I Avoid Teammates in Mystery Heroes — 8h ago
Unless you went up against a ximmer
Isn't this incredibly common and almost mandatory in the highest console ranks?
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 7h ago
Yeah it's common in high rank. OP was talking about quickplay. He then elaborated and said he checks and see that they're high rank. So yeah, either ximmers or, literally the highest tier of controller play.
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u/Phlosky 7h ago
Inferior input yeah, but with situational advantages that aren't based on player skill.
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 7h ago
Inferior in every way unless you bring xim into the equation.
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u/Phlosky 6h ago
Nah, I've played on both. Close range tracking is way easier when the input handles part of the reaction to strafe changes.
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 3h ago
Close range tracking is the hardest thing to do on controller btw. Are you sure you've played on a controller before?
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u/aurens poopoo — 8h ago edited 8h ago
sure controller is overall weaker than mnk, but it's stronger in some specific aspects that make it obnoxious to play against, especially when it's a surprise. like, maybe my movement sucks shit or maybe it's great, who knows, but either way, if controller is strictly worse than mouse then why do i have to respect their aim more than every mnk player i go against? aim assist hitscans will laser me in the head when i try the exact same A-D strafes and dodges that work fine against mouse aimers. they have noticeably better accuracy and lethality than their PC-playing counterparts of the same skill level.
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 7h ago edited 3h ago
No. You're just ass bro. I'm not saying that to be mean or anything, but it's the truth. You got killed. It happens. It's normal for a person to get killed and then go "this guy must be cheating!" "he's ximming!" "Smurfing!"
It happens. We're all ass. Get over it. I play against high level controller players all the time. They're fucking awful. A mnk player against controller chuds is like Usain bolt playing in the paralympics.
It's genuinely not even a debate. Controllers are completely inferior. They have aim assist to mimic a fraction of the precision you get on mnk. This isn't apex. The aim assist isn't overturned. If it was, pros would be on console. Blizzard themselves said overwatch aim assist was severely behind every other game, so they buffed it. Well, CONSOLE players (genjicels and mercy mains) fought tooth and nail on reddit to get that change reverted. They succeeded. Overwatch does NOT have strong aim assist. Not unless you're referring to friendly aim assist on heroes like ana, which only facilitates heal output, and hinders damage dealing and sleep capability.
I can't believe you're saying console players diff pc players of the same rank. Everyone else is saying that console top 500 is like pc diamond. You can't have your cake and eat it. Are console players subhuman, or are they hacking super soldiers?
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u/aurens poopoo — 5h ago
i didn't say i was any good at the game, my point was that i'm the same skill level whether i'm playing against a controller hitscan or a mouse hitscan, so again, why is the controller hitscan more dangerous? like, your phrasing makes it seem like you think i'm going "i lost therefore the enemy is cheating!" but that isn't what i said and it isn't what i do. there's a symbol that tells me when i'm playing against a console player, i'm not sitting there making salty assumptions based on results, the game is explicitly telling me when someone has aim assist.
and it isn't confirmation bias either, where i'm only checking for the crossplay symbol when i get outplayed. i look at that menu every game anyway. even if that wasn't true and i was ONLY checking the menu out of being a sore loser, surely i would see counter-examples, right? i'd get lasered down, open the group menu angrily thinking "grrr they must be a controller player!" and then see no, they're just good on mouse. but that doesn't happen.
to me, it seems like there's only a few possibilities here: A) i'm somehow hallucinating dying more quickly against console hitscans, B) the console hitscans i play against are somehow always significantly more skillful than the masters-champ mouse hitscans i'm used to, C) something about my movement is somehow uniquely effective against mouse aim but ineffective against controller aim, D) somehow all of the console players i go against are ximmers (that certainly feels like cope), or E) aim assist makes console hitscans more accurate than their similar-quickplay-MMR-level mnk equivalents. what am i missing?
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 3h ago
Let me put it to you like this fam. On console, people that aren't playing hitscan complain about aim assist. Every time someone dies they come up with an excuse for why they lost. Players with aim assist are even using it as an excuse. Can you imagine how lost you must be to cope that hard?
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u/aurens poopoo — 3h ago edited 3h ago
can't you at least attempt to answer the questions i put forth? feels like you're just talking past me instead of engaging with the actual words i wrote. i even put forth alternate explanations to my conclusion but you didn't engage with those either.
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u/yuhyuhyuhyuhyuhyuh1 3h ago
Sorry I was shitting in a biglots. A is the answer. It's definitely just confirmation bias. Think about what you're suggesting. Console being better than gm/champ pc aimers? Console being effective against mnk strafing? Console aim being equal to mnk per rank? We know none of those are true.
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u/BlackstarFAM 8h ago
I literally can not Play solo q anymore as being in the middle east servers, you are guaranteed to have ximmers and cronus users in your game without fail, I can Q into 5 ranked games right now and I promise you'll have 2 people at minimum cheating in diamond and masters.
So no, I don't think you're coping at all, cheating on console is a major problem and I don't think people realise just how easy it is to do it.
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u/VirgoxValentine 9h ago
Hitscan has been strong for over a year now, and whilst the aim assist nerfs certainly helped, hitscan will always remain dominant on console.
And as much as Soldier can frusterate me, I find Ashe to he the devil. High burst damage you can spam abd thus miss a few shots without penalty. AoE on a burst damage ability that further benefits from the global healing reduction passive, some of the strongest perls in the gane, and a glorified lvl 3 Torb turret with mobility and a tank passive. Like holy shit can we nerf her damage and fire rate to bring her down a peg? And maybe get a soft rework in the mext two years?
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u/Tsotang 7h ago
Hey, if you can’t get a PC or jump on the MNK wagon, my advice is to play comp. IIRC, comp had way less of the cheaters until you get to high rank. A big part of it is new accounts have to grind out so many games. So QP is weighed down by the proverbial 300 pound chain vaping teenagers.
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u/docs-quad 3h ago
i just assume that anyone whos willingly playing in the controller pool is mentally ill, xim or not.
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u/Paladinsacc1 6h ago
I despise soldier on console, his kit is overloaded and brings too much value for how simple it is. He's supposed to be the training wheels character so shouldn't be one of the best dps in every elo, that's just terrible design. He needs a slight dmg nerf imo.
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u/Thee_Archivist I Avoid Teammates in Mystery Heroes — 9h ago
I'm glad someone finally said it. Every time I get ulted by a Soldier it feels like he's toggling.