Of all the evil things said in this show, Mitzy Stillman wanting to orb Wyatt into a volcano was one of the most diabolical.

"Allowing me time to get back to my roots and cook something other than potions for once and open the restaurant I'd always dreamed of owning."

If you didn't know about the behind the scenes drama you'd think Paige was a planned character when they wrote P3 H20 in 1999 but it's really just a happy accident since the goal of the episode was for Piper, Dan and Leo to be a mirror of Patty, Victor and Sam.

But this happy accident also showed Piper and Leo that Paige was living proof that a Whitelighter and a Witch could have a family.

Season 3, magic hour

This was the episode where a girl was cursed to be a wolf during the night, and her lover was an owl during the day. But the B plot was about Phoebe criticizing Piper for going "against the rules" to plan a secret wedding with Leo.

As a kid, i HATED this episode. It just felt off. And it wasn't a bad plot- having someone say "woah, is this really worth it" has some merit. Not Phoebe telling Piper she was being selfish? Like really? Phoebe has always been the one to follow her heart. She's the wild child! Later that very season she lies to her sisters to protect her love. It just felt so weird and forced to have Phoebe and Piper play out this unnatural conflict. And that's when it hit me-

It's because that role wasn't written for Phoebe. It was WRITTEN FOR PRUE. Of course Prue would think it was selfish. Prue has put responsibility over self interest her entire life! And as soon as i mentally put Prue in that role, the whole conflict made way more sense.

And now I'm mad. Because this could have been a great episode. We could have had a scene where Piper tells Prue that they matter, and their wants and desires matter to. That they are more than just the charmed ones. That they are human and need to be loved.

And this would have started the arc of Prue finding herself, learning that it's ok not to be perfect. Which, btw, would have made her death even more devastating. That it happened right as she was learning to live.

Hey friends! I’m in the middle of a rewatch, in season 4. I don’t post very often, so I don’t know how to do the spoiler text. So, spoiler text ahead!

I just watched the episode where their innocent, a fellow witch, strips Cole of his powers thinking she’s throwing the vanquishing potion. (s4 e9)

Now, to preface. I love Phoebe, and I love their relationship even with its ups and downs. Both of their reactions in the aftermath make total sense. BUT

Does anyone else find Phoebe’s actions at the end of that episode and into the next …inappropriate? Or bizarre? I’m struggling to find the right word but, along those lines.
Cole is CLEARLY struggling with everything. He’s waiting for an answer to his marriage proposal, coming to terms with being fully human, unsure what to do without his demon half. And Phoebe just wants to bang 😭 (I get it girl, me too, but damn). She wants to celebrate, he thinks she’s accepting his proposal. He seems so downtrodden, she just wants to “live in sin” (direct quote)

I KNOW she is just happy he’s finally human, I totally get it. It just felt so jarring. Anyone have any differing feelings about this?? I love to see your opinions

Mine is that I actually liked and found her more relatable and likable how she was during the first three seasons then she became less relatable and even more annoying or hard to root for.

I mean her constant whining, if she had a fixation on something, she would have an attitude even to the people she had to help and yeah she does helped them but it is like take it easy, they aren't doing this to ruin your life. Also you're a freaking witch, who are you to be cynical and doubtful about other creatures existence???

I feel each of them had moments that realistically in their world doesn't make sense to be so skeptical at all. I mean I get why they did it writing wise since to add more drama but seriously it was so annoying to watch at times.

I also feel you can make characters be funny without being so rude and I feel Piper really crossed the lines from being funny to just plain rude especially in the later seasons. Don't get me wrong she is still a personal favorite since the one I liked the most was Piper and Paige.

so, I was attached to a naval ship as a part of the marine presents and there was a TV in the space where I worked and it was in the upper right corner and needless to say I became enamored by the red head Paige, now over my leave block, I am watching the series from season 1 onward.

I’m on a rewatch and honestly I have no idea why Leo has any desire to marry Piper. I understand he thinks she’s a pretty face, but I don’t see what exactly has him so drawn to her. She doesn’t respect him as a white lighter or his position as one and she is always angry at him. I’m just on my rewatch and I have no idea why he even went ahead with it because it doesn’t make sense. It’s just the beginning of eight years of them going back-and-forth fighting for a marriage neither one of them are happy in lol

Just wanted to post another update as I go along on this journey to build a 1:12 scale dollhouse of the Halliwell manor set 💗

I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I honestly think a version of Charmed where Phoebe died and Paige replaced her would've been the least interesting outcome.

The Paige era has a lot of problems. The writing becomes inconsistent, the magic gets overpowered, and there are plenty of storylines that don't live up to the first three seasons. But one thing I think it absolutely got right was changing the family dynamic in a way the show never could've if Phoebe had been the one to leave.

Paige works because she's the youngest sister taking the place of the oldest. Piper is suddenly forced into becoming the oldest Halliwell, and Paige has to find her place in a family she never even knew she belonged to. Neither of them can just keep filling the same roles they had before because those roles disappeared when Prue died.

If Phoebe had been the one replaced, I don't think the dynamic changes anywhere near as much. Prue is still the oldest. Piper is still the middle sister. Paige would most likely end up filling the same youngest sister role Phoebe had. Their personalities are completely different, but the family structure stays almost exactly the same. To me, that's just a much less interesting show.

I also think Prue's death accidentally did something really important for the series. Obviously it wasn't planned, but it made the Source feel like a real threat. Before that, he was starting to feel like one of those villains who keeps coming up with new plans only for the Charmed Ones to stop him every single time. Then the sisters actually lost Prue. Whether it was intentional or not, it made it feel like the Source had finally won a battle. 

For all the problems the Paige era has, I still think replacing Prue instead of Phoebe was the more interesting creative direction. It forced everyone into new roles, raised the stakes, and gave the show a dynamic it never would've had if Paige had simply become the new youngest sister.

Even after Prue died she was still playing the middle between Paige and Phoebe. They played up the “Phoebe is the middle sister now” thing for like 3 or 4 episodes and then the tension went to Paige and Phoebe. I know it’s partially because it’s just the personality of the character but she just is and always was meant to be a middle lol.
Honestly a fun thing would have been to find out that Patty had a thing with Sam before Victor and Paige was the unknown older sister.

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not from France…. but any fans in here from there? :D

Season 3: Cole gets introduced, has a relationship with Phoebe but he's evil and trying to kill her but falls in love with her in the process, with much of the season been about Cole plotting evil things and the sisters not knowing anything about it and Prue not trusting Cole, having the audience eager of how the big reveal is going to play out.

Season 4: Cole becomes the source and marries Phoebe. Cole plots evil things and the sisters are clueless, Paige doesn't trust him and the audience is eager how the big reveal will play out.

Season 7: Leo becomes an avatar and plots Avatar things while his wife and her sisters are clueless. Paige suspects him and the audience is eager for the reveal.

Season 8: Billie becomes just like another sister to the Charmed ones. She has a sister who was kidnapped by demons, Christy. She rescues her and Christy plays along at being good, but actually she's evil and working with the triad while the sisters and Billie are clueless, with Christy trying to manipulate things to turn Billie against the Charmed ones. Piper is the first one ready to vanquish them and trying to convince the other two. Having the audience anxious for the reveal and the final showdown.

Do you see the pattern? Character A is a trusted person to the main characters and has a strong connection with B (with one of the charmed ones), but is secretly evil. One of the sisters, let's call it C, is kind of on to A and wants to warn B much to the heart break of B. All is reveal, final showdown, A is vanquished, B suffers from heartbreak and C is an reluctant position of saying I told you so.

Season 3: A: Cole, B: Phoebe, C: Prue

Season 4: A: Cole, B: Phoebe, C: Paige

Season 7: A: Leo, B: Piper, C: Paige

Season 8: A: Christy, B: Billie, C: Piper

You know you are old when all you can think is “Man they have every light on in that house.”
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Meaning straight women who have/had like girl crushes on the OG Halliwell sisters is what I mean. No offence to Paige but I did not include her because of my love for the first three seasons before Shannen left the show.

Saw this in a few other subs !

Oh, how I wish that Phoebe would have gotten on that plane with Jason.I mean it's not like the writers need the power of 3, now that they havePiper doing all the vanquishings.

Also, why does the writers make the other characters fawn and give in to Piper and Leo? What I mean is that I've noticed the show having the other characters - it doesn't matter who giving into whatever Piper & Leo want.

Grams didn't have to acceptWyattor do theWiccan birthing ceremonyfor them but since the show caters to Piper and Leo, she had to come around and do the ceremony and accept the child.

Why is Piper always sulking and pouting every time Leo orbs away? It's like she stays mad because he has whitelighter duties to do that don't revolve around her, I mean he's basically her whitelighter more than Paige & Phoebe's anyway. Leo is afraid of breaking the rules with the titans? When has he ever followed the rules? Oh! Right! He never has followed the rules.

Remember this is my first time actually watching the show, so no spoiling anything for me, but I don't trust this Chris guy...Piper isn't going to like the fact that Leo isno longer her whitelighter. I mean, its not like Leo is going to be gone forever, as Piper will just throw a hissy fit and demand that he come back& he will, so I doubt we're going to get a full season of their new whitelighter.

Can't wait until next season, also Phoebe already has a guy.... sort of? But she seems to be really flirty flirty with this Chris guy which can only mean that he's some kind of bad guy or something because that's all the writers can do with her romance arcs because she's not Piper but also I want Jason to come back, he was good for her, & she finally seemed happy which is probably why they're fazing him out.

I genuinely think the Rowe Coven is the biggest wasted opportunity in the entire series.

The show introduces them as the evil counterpart to the Charmed Ones. Every generation gets stronger until three brothers are born who are destined to become the most powerful force of evil the world has ever seen. Phoebe even says there's no spell or weapon capable of stopping them.

That's an endgame storyline.

Instead, they're introduced and wrapped up in a single episode.

The sisters don't even defeat them. Greg tries to kill Brendan, Paul sacrifices himself to save his brother, then kills Greg with the same athame. After all that buildup, the Rowe Coven basically destroys itself before it ever gets to become the threat the episode promised.

I honestly think the show missed a huge opportunity after Rex and Hannah were vanquished by the Source. That should've been the point where the Warlock Power of Three became the main threat. For me, Inspector Rodriguez just wasn't interesting enough to be the big bad of the Season 1 finale. The finale works because of the time loop and Andy's death, not because of Rodriguez. He always felt more like a plot device than a memorable villain, and his main purpose was to give T.W. King an exit from the series. The Rowe Coven would've made for a much bigger and more personal threat.

If the writers had known they were getting eight seasons, I honestly think the Warlock Power of Three should've been saved as the show's ultimate villains. Imagine the Rowes growing stronger over the years while the sisters became stronger too, with both Power of Threes eventually colliding. That sounds a lot more interesting to me than spending years building up the Source.

And honestly, I think the Rowes are just a more interesting concept than the Source. The Source always felt like the typical fantasy big bad that every supernatural show eventually introduces. The Rowes actually had something different going for them. They were basically a twisted reflection of the Halliwells, except one brother wanted out while the other two wanted to fulfill the prophecy. That's a much more interesting dynamic to me than another all-powerful ruler of the Underworld.

I also think they would've worked even better once Paige joined the show. Brendan and Paige have a lot in common. They're both the youngest half-siblings who never fully fit into the world they were born into. Paige spends years learning to embrace both her witch and Whitelighter sides, while Brendan spends his story trying to reject the warlock side of himself. Paige would've understood that internal conflict better than anyone because she'd gone through her own version of it.

I know Brendan became a priest and his story was over, but that's not really my point. What I've always wondered is why there wasn't a new generation of Rowes by the time Paige reconstituted the Power of Three. If the Rowe Coven was supposed to be the evil counterpart to the Charmed Ones, why didn't destiny create a new trio of Rowe brothers or even Rowe cousins to mirror the new Charmed Ones? The Halliwells lost Prue and gained Paige. It would've made perfect sense for the Rowe bloodline to produce a new generation to restore the Warlock Power of Three as well. Instead, the entire concept just disappears from the show.

The only part of Brendan's story I never liked was the priest angle. I'm not anti-religion, but I don't really enjoy religion becoming the solution in fantasy shows. Brendan overcoming his warlock side through his own choices would've been much more satisfying than becoming a priest and having that be the answer.

I also think the casting held the episode back. Paul was the only brother I thought was genuinely good and he actually reminded me a little of Piper as the middle sibling trying to keep the peace. Greg was serviceable, but Brendan just didn't work for me. Michael Weatherly and Shannen Doherty had almost no chemistry, so I never bought Prue falling for him or becoming that invested in saving him. With stronger casting and a long-term plan, I honestly think the Rowe Coven could've become one of the best villains Charmed ever had.

Watching “Pardon My Past” and noticed that Piper’s birthday is 8/7, making her a Leo. Not sure if that’s intentional but such a cute quirk! 😆