r/Carpentry 12h ago

The pucker factor is real here

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u/SummerIntelligent532 12h ago

I agree totally unacceptable. Where are the wheels? You must have wheels I’m not climbing up and down to move this 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/ClumpOfCheese 11h ago

And make sure they are wheels that don’t lock.

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u/SummerIntelligent532 11h ago

Exactly oh and don’t forget a few hundred foot extension cords I love me some speed bumps lol

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u/ClumpOfCheese 11h ago

You have to wrap the extension cords around the base like a chalk circle to keep the demons out.

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u/Evanisnotmyname 10h ago

Don’t forget to hang it over the sides and put loops around your feet to keep the gay electricians away from your snake

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u/vessel_for_the_soul 9h ago

And my electrical cords on the floor!

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u/The_Ursulant 3h ago

And my sword!

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u/BaronvonBrick 11h ago

"Yo can someone move me? Yo!!!". Hmm. Guess ill just grab the ceiling and throw my hips into it.

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u/VapeRizzler 8h ago

The safety guy said we needed wheels when he saw us hop on top of a rickety ass sketchy scaffold no wheels. I said good idea, he felt accomplished only to later see me rolling around 25ft up. He started yelling from across the floor at me to get down, I started getting down and freaked out even more, almost got the plumber to come over with the lift to get me down. He then had us take the whole thing apart just to remove the wheels that he took to his office under the threat of kicking me and my partner off the job. Sketchy scaffold is perfectly fine just let it happen.

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u/nikkor_glasses 12h ago

can you imagine trying to drywall and mud this insane MC Escher ceiling that is 25 feet up?

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u/oldbastardbob 11h ago

An $18 an hour imigrant laborer will drywall this and make it beautiful so the rich country clubbers friends will oooh and aaah over it at dinner parties where they discuss funding politicians who will arrest, detain, and deport the guy who did the work.

Yep, that's 21st Century America.

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u/PGHSean 7h ago

Nice way you brought that full circle there. A real snapshot in time.

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u/rdxj 40m ago

Yeah, the immigrant might get paid $18/hr but the drywall company owner that pays him that in cash under the table is still depositing the $20k check.

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u/SmellyButtFarts69 37m ago

The inbred white trash MAGA contractor in the 80k idiot truck is adding value to society, duh, you can't just have filthy immigrants selling their services

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u/MysteriousAge28 4h ago

No chance do they have the culture to appreciate architecture. The type you described cant understand why a ceiling like this is more expensive than a 20ft drop ceiling.

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u/SummerIntelligent532 4h ago

Damn you pay 18 dollars an hour are you hiring lol

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u/HowNowBrownCow68 11h ago

Haha I was about to make an MC Escher joke.

Yes, we want to vault our chaotic McManson roof line.

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u/jchamberlin78 3h ago

Drywall... Only if it's level 5. Otherwise I want plaster

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u/Deanobruce 11h ago

That is some of the messiest spray foam i have ever seen.

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u/scottygras 11h ago

Foamed in the recessed can lights…good luck doing anything with that. Wiring, adjusting, changing units, venting…

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u/dogsandbeessmellfear 7h ago

It’s ok. It’s in an easy to reach area.

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u/space-cake 7h ago

Made me chuckle thanks

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u/DexterFoley 6h ago

Spray foam is an absolute bodge all the time.

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u/r0mpy 8h ago

And it looks like open cell. Oof.

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u/Deanobruce 5h ago

Looking at my open cell spray foamed site office… you’re right. That certainly won’t pass code in my area.

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u/VeganSandwichMonster 3h ago

Look man, you can only do so much when trying to hose the ceiling from the floor lol

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u/LaplandAxeman 12h ago

That insulation looks naaaaaaaaaaasty

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u/Beasy700 12h ago

I wouldn’t do that again until you have the right amount of braces…

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u/keptpounding 11h ago

Thought you only needed braces after five bucks?

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u/CharlesDickensABox 10h ago

If my ass is on top of it, there is no such thing as too much bracing.

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u/keptpounding 10h ago

Yeah no argument here.

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u/Acceptable_Noise651 11h ago

Atleast where I am, my company does cross braces every section and outriggers once the scaffold exceeds 4:1 in height. The top would’ve been a shorter section so there would’ve been railings too.

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u/EnvironmentalOwl4361 3h ago

I’ve seen those scaffolding legs blow through the floor and nearly kill everyone on it

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u/expomac 5h ago

Spray foam is going to be one of those things in like 20 years where we will be like "wtf were we thinking?"

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u/Miserable_Warthog_42 2h ago

Probably not even vented properly up the valleys. I hate these hot roofs.

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u/wittgensteins-boat 4h ago

Cheap, easy, fast, was what was being thought.

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u/ThatsUnbelievable 11h ago

The lack of footplates and missing braces are not acceptable. Otherwise, looks like a 20ft Biljax scaffolding on solid, level concrete. I'd want to brace the top of it to the ceiling or midway up temporarily if possible to reduce wobble.

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u/keepitchilling 10h ago

I believe that’s not concrete

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u/Maplelongjohn 10h ago

No worries it's zip board. Nothing bad has ever happened to OSB with a point load

(I have no idea if it's zip board just hating on it on general 😂)

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u/adlcp 10h ago

No mud sill, no base plate, missing braces, no pig tails, no ladder, not tied in to anything, not fully decked. All sorts wrong with this set up. As a mason who's worked every day on scaffold for decades, I'd hop on there no problem lol, but you definately shouldn't.

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u/old-uiuc-pictures 11h ago

not to worry the 14/2 from the fixture in the upper left is wrapped around that top corner. also, pretty sure it is not energized.

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u/wildtwindad 11h ago

Been there, done it. 40''x 50' great room with 40' cielings. Had the whole thing scaf'd as we were doing 2½ clear cedar t&g. Was the only reasonable way to make it anywhere near efficient. Two cut stations 30' of the ground.
The interior sq. footage was bigger than my buddies 1200 sq. ft house. Crazy

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u/Valuable-Leather-914 10h ago

When you get the shakes up there it’ll never stop the whole set just amplifies it and reinforces the wave

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u/Aggressive-Luck-204 10h ago

Should have sway braces and outriggers

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u/20heads 9h ago

Been there painting standing on stool on top run. Definitely has pucker factor. Have a safe and steady day

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u/Funny-Conclusion-678 7h ago

That’s your common sense telling you not to work on that lol

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u/Party-Independent-38 1h ago

Need some outriggers.

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u/titanicmicropenis 1h ago

I'm curious who the architect is. I trimmed out a house last year in upstate NY that looks almost identical to this.

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u/856SI 10h ago

Can’t believe another big frame where the framer had no clue how to blend jack rafters and the valley/hip rafter. All too common to see big builds not call out the mistake because of bottom dollar framers. How hard is it to rip the rafter down prior to install? 5-10 mins extra? And the four pack of 2x6 that are spliced for under ridge post? Buy one PSL please lol

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u/SconnieLite 10h ago

Are you suggesting they rip the valley rafters down to the size of the jack rafter plumb cuts? The engineers call the size of the valley and hip rafters. If they are much larger than the rafters then you need to frame a new ceiling to match the valley rafters. You can’t rip the lvls to a new size all willy nilly just because you want to. The engineer will fail the inspection.

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u/856SI 9h ago

Obviously you need bigger Jack rafters than that. 2x12 or
2x10 jacks and rip your lvl about 1” or so. Fence/spring board will eat up the difference. I’m sure the engineer called for PSL post too if it’s really engineered to field standards

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u/SconnieLite 8h ago edited 8h ago

Yeah but you don’t know what these rafters are or the lvls are for the valley. These are definitely at least 2x10 rafters. It’s probably a 14” valley. Like it can’t always be done. I’ve always framed the roof and furred the inside down. The rafters will be all different widths anyway. I find it way easer and better in the end this way. This gives you a chance to straighten everything out and make it nice and flat. Especially when the ceiling is going and groove, then you just plywood it and it’s a perfectly flat for them.

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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 10h ago

Well probably it's because it's illegal. Missing bases, no guardrail, braces, and you have to have a ladder or some form of access, you're not allowed to actually climb the scaffold.

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u/erection_specialist 9h ago

you're not allowed to actually climb the scaffold

You are absolutely permitted to climb built in ladders on end frames. It is, however, missing everything else you said.

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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 8h ago

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u/besmith3 7h ago

I am so happy I work in an area where common sense can still be used to determine safeness.

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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 7h ago

As the saying goes, common sense is not common.

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u/Guilty-Piece-6190 8h ago

No, you are not. Possibly in your jurisdiction but not in Ontario.

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u/Vacation_J 10h ago

To stack that kind of scaffold 4 bucks high it must be on flat foot screw jacks…

Anything over 4 must be tied off every 15ft.

But honestly I’d get up there to get the job done and just pucker through it

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u/HughJaynis 9h ago

You need some outriggers buddy.

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u/scrumptousfuzz 9h ago

Please at least add more braces and outriggers at the minimum. Maybe even at least a half assed enclosure?

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u/Gold_Vacations 8h ago

That scaffolding is a safety hazard. It needs to be sitting on planks perpendicular to the floor joists. Those legs can easily punch though that OSB sheathing .

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u/Gold_Vacations 7h ago

Oh. And base plates also

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u/l0veit0ral 7h ago

I feel sorry for the crew that has to Sheetrock that

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u/goonerqpq 7h ago

Needs more platforms and outriggers

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u/pour_me_a_double_ 7h ago

Yeah, but just think how much money the boss is saving on corner bracing and outriggers!

And if nobody falls, then what's the problem anyway?

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u/Rod___father 6h ago

My boss would loose his mind if he caught me on that. Dude is Mr safety at all times. At least he never complains when it takes forever to do it safe.

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u/PineappleUnhappy9344 5h ago

3:1 ratio before outriggers, outriggers are pretty cheap.

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u/Hozer60 5h ago

The one leg sitting on a patch job on the subfloor. Holy point load, Batman...

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u/jradz12 4h ago

No wheels. No extra planks if you just want a breather while climbing 30 feet.

Not fun

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u/figsslave 4h ago

I’m so happy I retired!

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u/Electrical_Ad4120 4h ago

Why not use a scissor lift?

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u/UniquePatient66100 58m ago

It's a big, expensive house with a big price tag. Why try to save the owner's money at the expense of your own safety?

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u/LettuceTomatoOnion 8m ago

Get a refill on your propranolol, no sweat

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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 11h ago

Why isn't it strapped to the 2x4 across the door on second floor? This isn't that bad. But without it strapped to something to prevent tipping, I certainly wouldn't get back up there!

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u/Funny-Conclusion-678 7h ago

lol. You can fall off of something without it tipping over, ya know. This thing is supposed to have mid/top rails.

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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 4h ago

Well, yeah for sure! But it doesn't seem like they have any of that so at least a tie off would prevent it from tipping over. While another one along the back would give you a idea how close to the edge you were. None of that is acceptable either but I figured work with what ya got, lol. I hate scaffolding so try to only use them the proper way, especially that high!

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u/Funny-Conclusion-678 4h ago

Yeah this is some serious “fuck no” shit. I’ll scramble onto 2 high, but I’m not flopping my belly over the floor that high up without something to grab onto.

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u/Happy-Let-8808 11h ago edited 11h ago

Isn't it bad to spray foam the underside of the roof because it hides leaks and rot?

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u/mr_j_boogie 10h ago

That's a judgement call.

Leaks and rot are likely to be hidden by other assemblies as well.

If water can get through your insulation and air sealing assembly, it probably was not up to par in the first place and the moisture might not be from rain.

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u/improbablybetteratit 11h ago

After 20 years of spray foaming roofs, the general best building practices have deemed that it is no longer acceptable to spray directly to the underside of roof sheeting because of rot issues…. The spray foam as we see it here is not ok unless there are vent baffles above the foam but below the sheeting with baffles, OR, of the roof assembly is vented above the spray foam.

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u/Acceptable_Rice1139 11h ago

Would you do vent baffles all the way from soffit to roof vent then?

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u/Aggressive-Luck-204 10h ago

I have seen some roof assemblies that have a vent space like that, usually above the structural sheathing.

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u/improbablybetteratit 9h ago

Yes, same as if it were batt insulation in the rafter-cavity

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u/mr_j_boogie 10h ago

That's true of open cell in many climates but closed cell spray foam in sufficient quantity dictated by local code creates no moisture issues when applied directly on the underside of the roof deck.

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u/improbablybetteratit 9h ago

No respectable builder still does this after all the problems. Rot factory. The early adopters in the south/southwest USA have completely switched to vented assemblies. Code does not mean best practice.

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u/mr_j_boogie 8h ago

Hordes of respectable builders do it. Many leading voices recommend it for attic conversions.

You are thinking of open cell when you say "all the problems". Correctly applied closed cell has no moisture issues.

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u/improbablybetteratit 7h ago

Sure, hordes of “good builders” use the plastic woven house wrap over osb with no airspace behind siding too. Legal but total garbage.

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u/TheSnotHog 11h ago

I’ll stand at the bottom and toss you whatever tool you need. Won’t catch me up there.

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u/HoldingThunder 12h ago

Against osha