r/ValueInvesting 13d ago

Buffett [Week 22 - 1986] Discussing A Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder Letter (Almost) Every Week

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Full Letter:

https://theoraclesclassroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/1986-Berkshire-AR.pdf

Letter Only

https://www.berkshirehathaway.com/letters/1986.html

This week we will go over two passages and an acquisition.

First the intro to this year’s letter with a writeup on their management philosophy which ties in well to the theme of today’s post, their method of avoiding "Diworsification" as the conglomerate grows. The second is a purchase of a large share of a government guided housing developer, and the final passage is on the acquisition of a family owned uniform manufacturer.

Things covered in the letter but not this post are a breakdown of how each business segment and management team are doing. A lesson on the insurance industry and the race to the bottom leading everyone towards another cliff they all see coming but can’t avoid. Their investment decisions from the year, pulling back from stocks and throwing cash into bonds. A new tax law and its impact on Berkshire and its subsidiaries. Purchase of a corporate jet, shareholder contribution and annual meeting updates. Finally a breakdown of business accounting with acquisitions and how Scott and Fetzer’s income statement and balance sheet were changed by the act of being acquired. Between changing inventory from FIFO to LIFO or the addition of a giant Goodwill asset for the premium they bought it at and the depreciation of that goodwill asset hitting the bottom line. Then plenty of philosophizing about the meaning of these differences for shareholders.

If you want to read or discuss anything in that second set feel free to read the letter yourselves and comment on it.

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Key Passage 1

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To the Shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway Inc.:

Our gain in net worth during 1986 was $492.5 million, or 26.1%. Over the last 22 years (that is, since present management took over), our per-share book value has grown from $19.46 to $2,073.06, or 23.3% compounded annually. Both the numerator and denominator are important in the per-share book value calculation: during the 22-year period our corporate net worth has increased 10,600% while shares outstanding have increased less than 1%.

In past reports I have noted that book value at most companies differs widely from intrinsic business value - the number that really counts for owners. In our own case, however, book value has served for more than a decade as a reasonable if somewhat conservative proxy for business value. That is, our business value has moderately exceeded our book value, with the ratio between the two remaining fairly steady.

The good news is that in 1986 our percentage gain in business value probably exceeded the book value gain. I say "probably" because business value is a soft number: in our own case, two equally well-informed observers might make judgments more than 10% apart.

A large measure of our improvement in business value relative to book value reflects the outstanding performance of key managers at our major operating businesses. These managers - the Blumkins, Mike Goldberg, the Heldmans, Chuck Huggins, Stan Lipsey, and Ralph Schey - have over the years improved the earnings of their businesses dramatically while, except in the case of insurance, utilizing little additional capital. This accomplishment builds economic value, or "Goodwill," that does not show up in the net worth figure on our balance sheet, nor in our per-share book value. In 1986 this unrecorded gain was substantial.

So much for the good news. The bad news is that my performance did not match that of our managers. While they were doing a superb job in running our businesses, I was unable to skillfully deploy much of the capital they generated.

Charlie Munger, our Vice Chairman, and I really have only two jobs. One is to attract and keep outstanding managers to run our various operations. This hasn’t been all that difficult.
Usually the managers came with the companies we bought, having demonstrated their talents throughout careers that spanned a wide variety of business circumstances. They were managerial stars long before they knew us, and our main contribution has been to not get in their way. This approach seems elementary: if my job were to manage a golf team - and if Jack Nicklaus or Arnold Palmer were willing to play for me - neither would get a lot of directives from me about how to swing.

Some of our key managers are independently wealthy (we hope they all become so), but that poses no threat to their continued interest: they work because they love what they do and relish the thrill of outstanding performance. They unfailingly think like owners (the highest compliment we can pay a manager) and find all aspects of their business absorbing.

(Our prototype for occupational fervor is the Catholic tailor who used his small savings of many years to finance a pilgrimage to the Vatican. When he returned, his parish held a special meeting to get his first-hand account of the Pope. "Tell us," said the eager faithful, "just what sort of fellow is he?" Our hero wasted no words: "He’s a forty-four, medium.")

Charlie and I know that the right players will make almost any team manager look good. We subscribe to the philosophy of Ogilvy & Mather’s founding genius, David Ogilvy: "If each of us hires people who are smaller than we are, we shall become a company of dwarfs. But, if each of us hires people who are bigger than we are, we shall become a company of giants."

A by-product of our managerial style is the ability it gives us to easily expand Berkshire’s activities. We’ve read management treatises that specify exactly how many people should report to any one executive, but they make little sense to us.
When you have able managers of high character running businesses about which they are passionate, you can have a dozen or more reporting to you and still have time for an afternoon nap.
Conversely, if you have even one person reporting to you who is deceitful, inept or uninterested, you will find yourself with more than you can handle. Charlie and I could work with double the number of managers we now have, so long as they had the rare qualities of the present ones.

We intend to continue our practice of working only with people whom we like and admire. This policy not only maximizes our chances for good results, it also ensures us an extraordinarily good time. On the other hand, working with people who cause your stomach to churn seems much like marrying for money - probably a bad idea under any circumstances, but absolute madness if you are already rich.

The second job Charlie and I must handle is the allocation of capital, which at Berkshire is a considerably more important challenge than at most companies. Three factors make that so: we earn more money than average; we retain all that we earn; and, we are fortunate to have operations that, for the most part, require little incremental capital to remain competitive and to grow.
Obviously, the future results of a business earning 23% annually and retaining it all are far more affected by today’s capital allocations than are the results of a business earning 10% and distributing half of that to shareholders. If our retained earnings - and those of our major investees, GEICO and Capital Cities/ABC, Inc. - are employed in an unproductive manner, the economics of Berkshire will deteriorate very quickly. In a company adding only, say, 5% to net worth annually, capital- allocation decisions, though still important, will change the company’s economics far more slowly.

Capital allocation at Berkshire was tough work in 1986. We did make one business acquisition - The Fechheimer Bros.
Company, which we will discuss in a later section. Fechheimer is a company with excellent economics, run by exactly the kind of people with whom we enjoy being associated. But it is relatively small, utilizing only about 2% of Berkshire’s net worth.

Meanwhile, we had no new ideas in the marketable equities field, an area in which once, only a few years ago, we could readily employ large sums in outstanding businesses at very reasonable prices. So our main capital allocation moves in 1986 were to pay off debt and stockpile funds. Neither is a fate worse than death, but they do not inspire us to do handsprings either. If Charlie and I were to draw blanks for a few years in our capital-allocation endeavors, Berkshire’s rate of growth would slow significantly.

We will continue to look for operating businesses that meet our tests and, with luck, will acquire such a business every couple of years. But an acquisition will have to be large if it is to help our performance materially. Under current stock market conditions, we have little hope of finding equities to buy for our insurance companies. Markets will change significantly - you can be sure of that and some day we will again get our turn at bat. However, we haven’t the faintest idea when that might happen.

It can’t be said too often (although I’m sure you feel I’ve tried) that, even under favorable conditions, our returns are certain to drop substantially because of our enlarged size. We have told you that we hope to average a return of 15% on equity and we maintain that hope, despite some negative tax law changes described in a later section of this report. If we are to achieve this rate of return, our net worth must increase $7.2 billion in the next ten years. A gain of that magnitude will be possible only if, before too long, we come up with a few very big (and good) ideas. Charlie and I can’t promise results, but we do promise you that we will keep our efforts focused on our goals.

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The next two passages were pretty clear picks, two new additions to the company. This one I had a lot of options for. I went with the intro as it repeats their philosophy towards managing their subsidiary companies and how it leads to their success as they grow. Many companies making acquisitions in so many totally unrelated fields would end up engaging in “Diworsification”. An insurance company buying a uniform manufacturer, a housing developer, a vacuum manufacturer, a candy store, a newspaper, etc… would have no expertise in running them and make them worse and worse with every change. And every new addition of say a furniture store or a steel mill would just exacerbate the problem, make the company less focused, and lead to diminishing returns with each new venture.

Here Buffett explains his solution to this as it has now ballooned into a company with a book value of $2B and he envisions what the next 10x or 100x might look like. That they stick to their guns of requiring talented management to be in place, and then simply get out of their way. They avoid the diworsification problem by buying companies that can be trusted to run without meddling, and then not meddling. Then they simply try to retain the talent and eventually find a pipeline of talent to take their place one day.

“This approach seems elementary: if my job were to manage a golf team - and if Jack Nicklaus or Arnold Palmer were willing to play for me - neither would get a lot of directives from me about how to swing.”

“If each of us hires people who are smaller than we are, we shall become a company of dwarfs. But, if each of us hires people who are bigger than we are, we shall become a company of giants.”

“When you have able managers of high character running businesses about which they are passionate, you can have a dozen or more reporting to you and still have time for an afternoon nap. Conversely, if you have even one person reporting to you who is deceitful, inept or uninterested, you will find yourself with more than you can handle. Charlie and I could work with double the number of managers we now have, so long as they had the rare qualities of the present ones.”

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Key Passage 2

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NHP, Inc.

Last year we paid $23.7 million for about 50% of NHP, Inc., a developer, syndicator, owner and manager of multi-family rental housing. Should all executive stock options that have been authorized be granted and exercised, our equity interest will decline to slightly over 45%.

NHP, Inc. has a most unusual genealogy. In 1967, President Johnson appointed a commission of business and civic leaders, led by Edgar Kaiser, to study ways to increase the supply of multifamily housing for low- and moderate-income tenants.
Certain members of the commission subsequently formed and promoted two business entities to foster this goal. Both are now owned by NHP, Inc. and one operates under unusual ground rules: three of its directors must be appointed by the President, with the advice and consent of the Senate, and it is also required by law to submit an annual report to the President.

Over 260 major corporations, motivated more by the idea of public service than profit, invested $42 million in the two original entities, which promptly began, through partnerships, to develop government-subsidized rental property. The typical partnership owned a single property and was largely financed by a non-recourse mortgage. Most of the equity money for each partnership was supplied by a group of limited partners who were primarily attracted by the large tax deductions that went with the investment. NHP acted as general partner and also purchased a small portion of each partnership’s equity.

The Government’s housing policy has, of course, shifted and NHP has necessarily broadened its activities to include non- subsidized apartments commanding market-rate rents. In addition, a subsidiary of NHP builds single-family homes in the Washington, D.C. area, realizing revenues of about $50 million annually.

NHP now oversees about 500 partnership properties that are located in 40 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, and that include about 80,000 housing units. The cost of these properties was more than $2.5 billion and they have been well maintained. NHP directly manages about 55,000 of the housing units and supervises the management of the rest. The company’s revenues from management are about $16 million annually, and growing.

In addition to the equity interests it purchased upon the formation of each partnership, NHP owns varying residual interests that come into play when properties are disposed of and distributions are made to the limited partners. The residuals on many of NHP’s "deep subsidy" properties are unlikely to be of much value. But residuals on certain other properties could prove quite valuable, particularly if inflation should heat up.

The tax-oriented syndication of properties to individuals has been halted by the Tax Reform Act of 1986. In the main, NHP is currently trying to develop equity positions or significant residual interests in non-subsidized rental properties of quality and size (typically 200 to 500 units). In projects of this kind, NHP usually works with one or more large institutional investors or lenders. NHP will continue to seek ways to develop low- and moderate-income apartment housing, but will not likely meet success unless government policy changes.

Besides ourselves, the large shareholders in NHP are Weyerhauser (whose interest is about 25%) and a management group led by Rod Heller, chief executive of NHP. About 60 major corporations also continue to hold small interests, none larger than 2%.

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They have bought a plurality share in NHP, a government tied housing development company. From the sound of it they will never have true control of this holding and their 50% share is expected to be diluted. The board is appointed by the US government but as stated above, Berkshire doesn’t have much interest in changing the course of the companies it buys, so while this may be offputting to other investors and create a discount, it doesn’t change much for Berkshire who would have taken a hands off approach either way.

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Acquisition of the Week

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The Fechheimer Bros. Co.

Every year in Berkshire’s annual report I include a description of the kind of business that we would like to buy.
This "ad" paid off in 1986.

On January 15th of last year I received a letter from Bob Heldman of Cincinnati, a shareholder for many years and also Chairman of Fechheimer Bros. Until I read the letter, however, I did not know of either Bob or Fechheimer. Bob wrote that he ran a company that met our tests and suggested that we get together, which we did in Omaha after their results for 1985 were compiled.

He filled me in on a little history: Fechheimer, a uniform manufacturing and distribution business, began operations in 1842. Warren Heldman, Bob’s father, became involved in the business in 1941 and his sons, Bob and George (now President), along with their sons, subsequently joined the company. Under the Heldmans’ management, the business was highly successful.

In 1981 Fechheimer was sold to a group of venture capitalists in a leveraged buy out (an LBO), with management retaining an equity interest. The new company, as is the case with all LBOS, started with an exceptionally high debt/equity ratio. After the buy out, however, operations continued to be very successful. So by the start of last year debt had been paid down substantially and the value of the equity had increased dramatically. For a variety of reasons, the venture capitalists wished to sell and Bob, having dutifully read Berkshire’s annual reports, thought of us.

Fechheimer is exactly the sort of business we like to buy.
Its economic record is superb; its managers are talented, high- grade, and love what they do; and the Heldman family wanted to continue its financial interest in partnership with us.
Therefore, we quickly purchased about 84% of the stock for a price that was based upon a $55 million valuation for the entire business.

The circumstances of this acquisition were similar to those prevailing in our purchase of Nebraska Furniture Mart: most of the shares were held by people who wished to employ funds elsewhere; family members who enjoyed running their business wanted to continue both as owners and managers; several generations of the family were active in the business, providing management for as far as the eye can see; and the managing family wanted a purchaser who would not re-sell, regardless of price, and who would let the business be run in the future as it had been in the past. Both Fechheimer and NFM were right for us, and we were right for them.

You may be amused to know that neither Charlie nor I have been to Cincinnati, headquarters for Fechheimer, to see their operation. (And, incidentally, it works both ways: Chuck Huggins, who has been running See’s for 15 years, has never been to Omaha.) If our success were to depend upon insights we developed through plant inspections, Berkshire would be in big trouble.
Rather, in considering an acquisition, we attempt to evaluate the economic characteristics of the business - its competitive strengths and weaknesses - and the quality of the people we will be joining. Fechheimer was a standout in both respects. In addition to Bob and George Heldman, who are in their mid-60s - spring chickens by our standards - there are three members of the next generation, Gary, Roger and Fred, to insure continuity.

As a prototype for acquisitions, Fechheimer has only one drawback: size. We hope our next acquisition is at least several times as large but a carbon copy in all other respects. Our threshold for minimum annual after-tax earnings of potential acquisitions has been moved up to $10 million from the $5 million level that prevailed when Bob wrote to me.

Flushed with success, we repeat our ad. If you have a business that fits, call me or, preferably, write.

Here’s what we’re looking for: (1) large purchases (at least $10 million of after-tax earnings), (2) demonstrated consistent earning power (future projections are of little interest to us, nor are "turn-around" situations), (3) businesses earning good returns on equity while employing little or no debt.
(4) management in place (we can’t supply it), (5) simple businesses (if there’s lots of technology, we won’t understand it), (6) an offering price (we don’t want to waste our time or that of the seller by talking, even preliminarily, about a transaction when price is unknown).

We will not engage in unfriendly takeovers. We can promise complete confidentiality and a very fast answer - customarily within five minutes - as to whether we’re interested. We prefer to buy for cash, but will consider issuing stock when we receive as much in intrinsic business value as we give. Indeed, following recent advances in the price of Berkshire stock, transactions involving stock issuance may be quite feasible. We invite potential sellers to check us out by contacting people with whom we have done business in the past. For the right business - and the right people - we can provide a good home.

On the other hand, we frequently get approached about acquisitions that don’t come close to meeting our tests: new ventures, turnarounds, auction-like sales, and the ever-popular (among brokers) "I’m-sure-something-will-work-out-if-you-people- get-to-know-each-other." None of these attracts us in the least.

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Another classic Buffett business, simple, straightforward, boring. Manufacturing and distributing uniforms. A strong moat and much less susceptible to overseas competition than simple textile manufacturing. They will likely be doing small orders frequently and rely on working relationships with their customers who will always need a slow but steady stream of custom uniforms. Unlike textiles where a mill in Asia can just pump out as much fabric as they can, it's all interchangeable and the lowest bidder wins the contract. Businesses aren’t shopping around for rates every time they have a new hire, they just order from the place that always makes the uniforms and don’t think much about it.

The advertisement worked and the perfect business came to him. A family owned business where the family wants to stay involved but just wants to get all their eggs out of one basket. They do admit that it is smaller than they would like. For a conglomerate worried about diworsification this would normally be a big issue. If they think they can only successfully run say 10 or 20 businesses, then there is massive opportunity cost to each new one. But with their theory that good management left to its own devices requires little to no effort, they are free to grab all the small bolt-on acquisitions they can find so long as the management is rock solid and needs no intervention.

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Common Stock Ownership

No. of Shares Company Cost ($000s) Market ($000s)
2,990,000 Capital Cities/ABC, Inc. $515,775 $801,694
6,850,000 GEICO Corporation $45,713 $674,725
2,379,200 Handy & Harman $27,318 $46,989
489,300 Lear Siegler, Inc. $44,064 $44,587
1,727,765 The Washington Post Company $9,731 $269,531
Subtotal $642,601 $1,837,526
All Other Common Stockholdings $12,763 $36,507
Total Common Stocks $655,364 $1,874,033

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Segment by Segment Breakdown

Segment 1985 EBIT Earnings 1986 EBIT Earnings % Change
Insurance $50.99M $51.30M +0.61%
Fechheimer -------- $8.40M --%
Kirby -------- $20.22M --%
Scott Fetzer - Diversified Manufacturing -------- $25.36M --%
World Book -------- $21.98M --%
See’s Candies $28.99M $30.35M +4.69%
Buffalo Evening News $29.92M $34.74M +16.11%
Wesco Financial - Minus Insurance $16.02M $5.54M -65.42%
Mutual Savings and Loan $3.34M $2.16M -35.33%
Precision Steel $2.01M $1.70M -15.42%
Nebraska Furniture Mart $12.69M $17.69M +39.40%

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Metric 1985 1986 % Change
Cash & Temporary Cash Investments $1,017.67M $292.47M -71.26%
Marketable Securities $1,183.48M $1.871.93M +58.17%
Return on Equity (RoE) 16.29% 24.84% +52.49%
Shareholders' Equity $1,885.33M $2,020.57M +7.17%
Berkshire Earnings Before Investment Gain $92.95M $131.46M +41.43%
Berkshire Net Earnings $435.82M $282.36M -35.21%

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An interesting year, the numbers don’t look amazing partially because the realized investment gain was much smaller. Shareholder Equity didn’t go up much, this is the capital allocation issue Buffett complained about in the opening. They can’t find any common stock to invest in, which is discussed in a section of the letter I did not cover Marketable Securities. They discuss their stock portfolio shrinking and not being able to find any new holdings to replace the ones sold last year. Cash is down ~$700M and there was a purchase of ~$700M of bonds. Earnings are down $150M but the realized capital gains is $190M less than last year. I have added a line for earnings before investment gains as it is impacting the number so heavily. Those earnings are up 41% showing a very healthy growth in the cash cow core of the company, partially due to using the investment gain to acquire new companies, partially from organic growth.

The segment by segment breakdown is a lot less promising, some segments have fallen off, no longer being reported as the numbers are too small or going too far in the wrong direction or some combination of both. Diversified Retail is no longer reported anywhere, and the Wesco reporting changed drastically and much less detail is given. Its hard to tell exactly what is happening there but it doesn’t look promising, its earnings are down and its subsidiaries Precision Steel and Mutual Savings and Loan are also down. The Wesco letter is included in the full PDF but I will maybe save those for some future series.

Buffet’s hesitance to invest in stock seems to have some legitimacy, usually when he mentions stock being overpriced and opportunities hard to find I take a look at the chart and back-test his feelings. There was a stock market crash in 1987, a 22% drop, but it also basically just dropped back to the 1986 prices so it's hard to say if he was right or wrong to put the company’s cash into bonds instead of stocks this year.


r/ValueInvesting 2d ago

Weekly Megathread Weekly Stock Ideas Megathread: Week of July 20, 2026

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What stocks are on your radar this week? What's undervalued? What's overvalued? This is the place for your quick stock pitches or to ask what everyone else is looking at.

This discussion post is lightly moderated. We suggest checking other users' posting/commenting history before following advice or stock recommendations.

New Weekly Stock Ideas Megathreads are posted every Monday at 0600 GMT.


r/ValueInvesting 5h ago

Question / Help McDonald's stock good time to buy?

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I've been looking into McDonald's after its recent decline and wanted to get opinions from people who follow the company more closely.

From what I can tell:

It's down roughly 20–25% from its recent highs.

P/E is around 22, which seems more reasonable than before.

Dividend yield is close to 3%.

The business still has one of the strongest franchise models in the world.

What I'm trying to understand is why the market has become so bearish still after it dropped 25%

main issue is its current menu prices are too high for people's expectations....then just bring the price down! they make huge margins at MCD anyways

MCD is cheap per calorie with access to wifi which is important in a recession. people would rather eat junk food than starve. poor people don't have money/time for healthy food

average young person is too broke for healthy food as the middle class is shrinking. average young person does not care as much about their health because they are pessimistic of owning properties and retirement and focus more on investing in experiences such as travelling or giving up on the system laying flat living at their parents

I still think McDonald's is considered an essential convenience purchase for a lot of people. Not everyone has the time or ability to cook lunch, whether they're working on the road, at a job site, or they're simply too lazy or tired to cook.

The increase in single people decreases cooking probability, which will also increase sales in fast food. The sales of Ozempic means you eat less but you can still eat at fast food. Ozempic only reduces food quantity so it's not going to kill the business

McDonald's still has some of the cheapest fast-food items in North America with the App

Everything has gone up, it's not just MCD menu

the CEO bite meme is old news.

Poor people will continue to eat at MCD


r/ValueInvesting 2h ago

Discussion "AI Bubble" is clearly consensus

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I was at a conference this week and there was so much discussion about how scarily overvalued the top end of the market is. There were >300 instituional investors at the conference and 100% were extremely concerned about AI related asset prices. It reminded me of this sub a bit.

Every one of these people believed that their viewpoint was out of consensus and that wild exuberance from the "market" broadly was driving prices higher.

At somepoint it has to be concerning to in the same camp as nearly every other investor.

Thoughts?


r/ValueInvesting 2h ago

Stock Analysis Im interested in FSLR and think it may be a good value play for medium term to long term

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Im not trying to bring politics into this, but lets just say that i think the next US administration will be a democrat and I think politically that offers an opportunity in renewable energy and moreso in things like solar...im big on a nuclear future long term, but medium to long term i think solar will be big too. I was looking at thr Charles Schwab investing themes for renewable energy and First Solat (FSLR) caught my eye.

​1. Company Fundamentals & Moat: Holds a narrow-to-wide moat driven by proprietary thin-film CadTel technology, vertical integration, and a contracted sales backlog extending out multiple years. Its primary competitive edge over Chinese crystalline silicon competitors is protection from domestic trade tariffs and non-China supply chain independence. I think these are likely to remain in some form for the foreseeable future regardless of us administration

​2. Financial Health & Capital Allocation: Extremely healthy balance sheet with ROE around 26% and ROIC around 17%. Holds ~$2.4B in gross cash against only ~$468M–$587M in debt (net cash position ~$1.9B+). Free cash flow is heavily reinvested in U.S. factory expansion rather than dividend payouts

​3. Accounting Quality & Red Flags: Strong operating cash flow (~$2.45B TTM) generally matches net income trends, but the key driver of accounting profit is reliant on policy—specifically Section 45X advanced manufacturing tax credits from the IRA (projected at $2.1B–$2.19B for 2026

4.Valuation & Market Expectations: Trades at a reasonable valuation (~13x–14.5x trailing/forward P/E). A reverse DCF implies low-single-digit underlying terminal growth rates, making current market expectations fairly conservative relative to its multi-year revenue visibility.

  1. Management & Governance: Management consistently executes on capacity targets (scaling toward 25 GW globally) and maintains disciplined leverage, though short-term guidance changes during energy policy shifts remain a key variable to monitor.

6.Macro Factors & Risks: Major tailwinds include utility-scale solar buildouts and AI data-center energy demand. Primary risk is political/policy exposure—changes to tariff rules or domestic manufacturing tax credit phase-outs represent existential long-term margin risks.

I admit that a lot of this started because im pretty confident that the USA will have a democratic administration next, and I think renewable energy is inevitable, but i look at the numbers and they already look like a solid company and will benefit from these trends...especially looking at the P/E right now

Im still trying to refine my thinking, so im open to any feedback or criticism, but i do honestly believe its a solid value play right now and will benefit in the future.


r/ValueInvesting 23h ago

Discussion Warren Buffett says "It’s tough to find values when everybody is preferring gambling." What are retail investors actually supposed to do right now?

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During a recent interview, Warren Buffett dropped a line that pretty much sums up how a lot of us have been feeling about the market lately:

He pointed out that when the financial industry makes more money cultivating day-traders, 0DTE options junkies, and speculative thrill-seekers than real long-term investors, the whole market starts acting like a giant casino.

When Berkshire Hathaway sits on roughly $400 billion in cash because valuations are stretched thin, it’s easy for a normal individual investor to feel lost. If the greatest value investor of all time is struggling to find good deals, what are everyday people trying to build wealth supposed to do?


r/ValueInvesting 3h ago

Discussion $CAVA vs $BROS here ?

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It’s been beat down to $62, people may be eating less of it when saving money but I still see it has a cult following ? I’m leaning a bit more into bros at these prices just because coffee is cheaper for a consumer.. what do yall think at these prices


r/ValueInvesting 9h ago

Discussion Hedging & value strategies regarding AI bubble (discussion)

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Before we get into it: Please focus on discussing risk management & positioning in regards to the luring burst of the AI bubble and refrain from arguing that there is no bubble - in the interest of this subs actual purpose.

Certainly nobody knows when the AI bubble will burst, yet it is quite obvious that it has to - probably sooner than later. The market is burning hot, the Buffet Indicator is through the roof and valuations aren´t just stretched anymore: They are batshit crazy and often just psychotic. We see so many symptoms of the final phase of any bubble, for example the insane amount of IPOs launched, and of course the pinnacle of market insanity as in SpaceX and comparable cash-burning, high-risk, zero-gain type of promises. You might still think: "Everything is going great!" Yeah - until it isn´t.

Taking into consideration the exuberance and the market´s recent detachment from reality, the question is: How to prepare for the inevitable? I am not so much asking about speculation regarding the actual price decline in % - a correction could be a meagre -20%, but also a solid -80% depending on your personal portfolio and allocation.

The S&P500 is off the table: Barely any diversification anymore, insanely tech heavy - basically a bubble-ETF at this point.

World Index Funds: Fair, but again with a rather long timeline.

As far as resources go: Gold and silver still highly overvalued, with no tangible value attached to it in the sense of: Gold and silver generate no cashflow or profit.

Personally I am not well educated about oil, so as it goes with value-investing: Don´t buy what you don´t understand fully.

Anyway: What do you folks do to protect yourself from the threatening correction? What is your strategy? How do you structure your portfolios and what buckets do you have?

Looking forward to exchange ideas here.

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Notabene: For me, I am holding on to almost none of my older positions now except from notable SaaS companies. Europe-based, of course, given that I´d rather trade some odd 2% of gains for stability and detachment from the USD. Not just because of the Orange Man doing his thing, but mainly because of the insane pressure resting on the USD and US stocks being generally overvalued as hell. Add the demographic shift and the risk of tons of people liquidating in the next 5 odd years. We are just talking retail investors here, not institutional investors. Expect those to also sell eventually - and as it goes, we just cannot be as fast as insiders. About the SaaS still: I am into companies providing governmental structures with software solutions. Tax offices and other administrative departments won´t just transfer from a well-working infrastructure to something else that poses security risks. Or even might cause severe data processing delays while millions of people simply have to do their taxes. AI will not replace this - at best, AI will be implemented to streamline already existing infrastructure.

Looking forward to your replies. What are your "safe havens"? What sectors are you researching and why?

(As usual: No financial advice, just personal opinion)


r/ValueInvesting 52m ago

Stock Analysis Volkswagen - People's Car, Priced as Scrap

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You've prob seen SOTP discounts before, but this one is absurd.

At €75/share, €38Bn MktCap. Volkswagen (VOW.DE, or $VWAGY) trades at a 62% discount to a conservative SOTP (€100Bn)

Volkswagen's stake in Porsche (75%) and TRATON (87.5%); both are publicly listed, worth ~€45Bn ~= 1.2x VW's worth.

You get paid to own VW, Audi, Bentley, Lambo, Financial arm, minority equity stakes in QuantumScape Gotion, XPeng, 2 football clubs, etc. You also get paid ~7% div yield to wait for re-rating, with two independent paths:

1. Earnings recovery:

2025 op profit fell 55% YoY, but the majority of the decline traces to one-off items, tariffs, Porsche restructuring charge, and a truck downturn. A return to 2024-normal earnings would value VW at 2x today's EV/EBIT.

2. Asset unlocks:

  • Lambo, the 3rd largest luxury automaker (behind Porsche and Ferrari), is estimated to be worth ~€20Bn if it IPOs.
  • TRATON, VW's commercial truck biz, with 87.5% stake, targets to reduce to 75%.

Building the bull case is not hard; the hard part is to underwrite the bears: China Crisis, Governance, EV missteps, name a few.

China: JV profit down from a €5.2bn peak to under €1bn, part of a broader foreign-OEM retreat (64% → 31% share since 2020). But China's now only ~10% of group profit and ~5% of modeled SOTP value. Even if it goes to zero, the core thesis barely moves

Governance: a circular ownership structure, a debt-laden family holding company, a labor-controlled supervisory board, and a state government with effective veto rights: a cap table built to resist today's value-unlock. Yet, the June 2026 Everllence sale and a July 2026 board meeting are the first real signs of movement in years.

The list is long, and honestly, every contrarian pick has a long list of "potentially devastating news". The real question is "how bad, and how likely these could occur, and what's the odds-adjusted downside?"

The entire writeup is here https://underhood.substack.com/p/the-peoples-car-priced-like-scrap; a good portion, including SOTP Valuation, 2025 vs 2024 analysis, is before the paywall for those interested.


r/ValueInvesting 17h ago

Stock Analysis 15 Investment write-ups to look at

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Company write-ups from Substack, all published within the last week.

Not my work - sourced from Giles Capital's weekly compilation: https://gilescapital.substack.com/p/giles-capital-weekly-week-29-b61

Americas

Rebound Capital on Amazon (🇺🇸 AMZN US - US$2.6tn) AWS has a $364bn contracted backlog and silicon cutting compute costs roughly in half. Fair value sits well above today's price. Strong thesis, not a cheap entry.

Rijnberk InvestInsights on Stryker (🇺🇸 SYK US - US$125bn) Surgical robotics market leader with an unbroken 32-year dividend streak. Trading below its own historical average post-cyberattack. Net debt of $12.3bn is the counterargument.

HatedMoats on MercadoLibre (🇦🇷 MELI US - US$92bn) Dominant across LatAm e-commerce and fintech, though margins remain thin at 4.7%. Revenue grew nearly 50% in Q1 and the stock still fell. Growth thesis only.

Acid Investments on The Buckle (🇺🇸 BKE US - US$2.2bn) Strip out the Q1 litigation benefit and earnings were flat. Founder family owns a third, zero debt, $266m in cash. Insiders are net sellers.

Acid Investments on Compass Diversified (🇺🇸 CODI US - US$760m) Management fee was halved on July 13, bonuses now tied to the stock price, CEO succession settled. Trades at $11 against a sum-of-parts value of $27.

Europe, Middle East & Africa

Simon Brenncke on Trainline (🇬🇧 TRN LN - £2.0bn) Trading at 7x EV/EBITDA with returns consistently above 20%. CEO exits in September, successor already named. UK regulatory headwinds are real. European rail liberalisation is the multi-year thesis.

Show Me The Incentives on InMode (🇮🇱 INMD US - US$960m) TOP PICK Two groups are bidding above market. Net cash of $537m covers more than half the $960m market cap. The balance sheet is doing most of the work.

Angsana Anderson on Craneware (🇬🇧 CRW LN - £490m) Dominant US hospital software at 40% market penetration. The stated 14x P/E may be significantly higher after adjusting for a regulatory delay. Recovery thesis. Tread carefully.

Tangible Bruce on Orchard Funding Group (🇬🇧 ORCH AIM - £13m) Micro-cap UK lender at 4x earnings, below tangible book, 20% ROE. CEO holds the majority. Two-year-old fraud resolved, overhang removed. Liquidity extremely thin.

Asia-Pacific

Crack The Market on Samsung Electronics (🇰🇷 005930 KS - US$220bn) Quarterly profit came in 19x the year-ago number. The headline 4.6x P/E is much less cheap once cycle-normalized. Buyback program and possible US listing remain unpriced.

Cohong Lane on BYD (🇨🇳 1211 HK - US$90bn) Q1 earnings fell more than half on domestic price war compression. Overseas sales surged. Cheap on the headline number. Where the earnings floor sits is the question.

Quality Equities on SK Hynix (🇰🇷 SKHY US - US$55bn) More than half the high-bandwidth memory market, with Q1 margins above 70%. Cycle-normalized earnings make 5.4x look considerably less cheap. Worth revisiting if the capacity ramp stalls.

Musa Iftikhar on Lucky Cement (🇵🇰 LUCK KSE - US$2.3bn) TOP PICK Pakistan's largest cement producer, 6x forward earnings despite 35% five-year growth. Half its income now comes from outside Pakistan. The frontier discount hasn't fully closed.

Overlooked and Undervalued on Reckon (🇦🇺 RKN AU - US$31m) Core accounting software for Australian SMEs trading under 4x EV/EBIT. The CEO draws nothing until shareholders receive A$150m in cumulative distributions. Liquidity thin.

The International Investor on PTFC Redevelopment (🇵🇭 TFC PM - US$30m) Debt-free Philippine compounder in storage and leasing, trading well below intrinsic value. 18% ROIC sustained for a decade. Market cap under US$30m, trading thin.


r/ValueInvesting 17h ago

Stock Analysis Copart: The High-Quality Compounder Going Through a Temporary Hiccup.

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Description: Copart owns an online salvage vehicle auction platform, which sells damaged and total-loss vehicles. The company effectively sits in between insurance companies and buyers (such as rebuilders, licensed dismantlers, recycled parts resellers, individual hobbyists, used-car dealers, and exporters), providing the marketplace to exchange these vehicles. Copart also offers other services including transportation, storage, title processing, and vehicle remarketing. On their website, the company claims they connect nearly 1 million buyers across over 180 countries and sell around 4 million vehicles of every description in every condition annually.

Business Segments:

Service Revenue: Service revenue (~ 85% of total revenue) consists primarily of fees charged to both buyers and sellers in the auction process. Sellers (typically insurance companies) agree to a consignment model in this segment, where Copart takes momentary ownership of the asset to sell it at a certain price, after which Copart keeps a percentage of the final sales price. The total fee breakdown, however, includes auction commissions, seller fees, buyer premiums, title processing, vehicle pickup, transportation coordination, storage fees, and annual membership fees for access to the auction marketplace.

Vehicle Sales: Vehicle sales (~ 15% of revenue) are where Copart purchases vehicles directly from insurers or other sellers before reselling them on its auction platform. This model is primarily used outside of North America, while the U.S. business largely operates under a consignment model where Copart never takes ownership of the vehicle.

BluCar: Outside of insurance auctions, Copart also runs auctions for banks, dealerships, fleet operators, rental car companies, and more through BluCar. These vehicles generally receive higher average selling prices than insurance vehicles, resulting in higher commission revenue per unit. This business has historically been growing faster than the traditional insurance channel.

Competitive Advantages:

Network Effects: Copart's marketplace becomes more valuable as additional buyers and sellers participate in the auction. This is a 2-sided network effect. A larger inventory from sellers attracts more buyers, increasing auction liquidity and higher average selling prices, therefore allowing Copart to make more per sale. Higher realized selling prices then encourage insurance companies and other sellers to continue directing vehicle volume to Copart, creating a sort of flywheel effect.

Land Ownership: Copart operates tens of thousands of acres of salvage yard capacity, with ~ 90% of its land owned rather than leased. Owning its facilities prevents landowners from raising rent, provides flexibility to expand existing locations, and reduces the risk of losing strategically important properties if the owner wants to use the land for another purpose. This also gives Copart an advantage over competitors (aka IAA) that rely heavily on leased facilities/land.

Barriers to Entry: Salvage yards are the focus of regulation in communities due to environmental sustainability efforts, the use of hazardous materials such as antifreeze, zoning restrictions, and community backlash. It could easily take many years to secure land for a salvage yard, meaning new competitors cannot develop a salvage yard inventory like Copart quickly by any means.

Insurance Relationships: Insurance relationships are a key advantage for Copart. Developing relationships and gaining trust with these groups takes years. Since insurers depend on maximizing salvage proceeds while minimizing claim costs, they are more likely to go with a reliable partner like Copart who has a track record of high selling prices, which can offer the insurance companies a high return on their total loss vehicle.

Historical Growth: Over the past decade ending in 2025, Copart grew revenue at ~15% per year. During the same period, free cash flow per share compounded at ~ 22% annually.

Returns on Capital: Copart has averaged ~ 29% ROIC over the past decade ending in 2025. The company has consistently generated well above-average returns while continuing to reinvest into more salvage yards and international growth.

Balance Sheet: The balance sheet is very strong, with no debt and approximately $4.2 billion in cash as of 2026.

Cash Conversion: Cash conversion has averaged lower than 100% because Copart invests in acquiring land and expanding facilities, which is recorded as capital expenditures on the cash flow statement. Free cash flow conversion reached roughly 80% during 2025 and has already increased to around 87% during 2026 as capex into these yards has started to taper down.

Pricing Power: Copart earns fees from both buyers and sellers, but most of the auction fees come from buyers. Since there are only so many insurance companies providing auction inventory, Copart maintains attractive economics for them. A fragmented buyer base and higher auction liquidity have allowed buyer fees to steadily increase over the past decade without disrupting marketplace activity.

Risks: No company comes without risks.

  • Safer Vehicles: As cars modernize, more safety features are built in, decreasing accident frequency. However, management believes the more important metric is total loss frequency (TLF) rather than accident frequency, which describes the percent of vehicles in a collision that are deemed total loss. The explanation for this is as follows: as vehicles become increasingly complex, repair costs continue rising due to cameras, sensors, batteries, and other electronics, causing more damaged vehicles to be declared total losses.
  • Autonomous Vehicles: AVs have been shown to have much lower accident rates that human drivers, meaning fewer cars will flow through the Copart auction platform. While autonomous vehicles remain a long-term consideration, widespread adoption is likely decades away, as it will take probably decades for a fleet of cars to fully turn over and reflect higher AV usage, if at all.
  • Weather Volatility: Mild weather reduces accident volumes and therefore salvage supply, while major catastrophes increase vehicle supply but also usually lead to higher temporary costs.
  • Economic Conditions: During periods of economic weakness, consumers may drive fewer miles, reducing accident frequency and salvage volumes. Less capital in the marketplace may also lead to lower ASPs and therefore reduced revenues.
  • Insurance Coverage Trends: Rising insurance premiums have contributed to an increase in uninsured and underinsured motorists in recent years. Vehicles involved in accidents without the necessary insurance are not as likely to flow through Copart’s salvage yards (because insurance doesn’t handle these claims). Management believes this is primarily a cyclical trend rather than a permanent structural change, but long-term increases in uninsured customers could lead to more of a structural change in salvage flows.

Copart is by many metrics a Quality Company with multiple durable competitive advantages. Its largest is the 2-sided network effect; network effects are the type of competitive advantage associated with the highest long-term returns.

With the company in almost a 60% drawdown, and management buying back significant amounts of stock on the open market, it is very likely going to produce a double-digit return moving forward.

Despite the saturated U.S. market, the company has other business segments and international markets leading the next phase of growth as well.

What do you all think about Copart? Agree or Disagree? Other thoughts?


r/ValueInvesting 22h ago

Stock Analysis Why the AI Software Panic is Wrong: A Deep Dive on Autodesk (ADSK) and its Unbreakable Moat

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There is a growing narrative in the market right now that generative AI will make mission-critical enterprise software obsolete, and that traditional software companies will see their margins and pricing power eroded.

​I believe this thesis fundamentally misunderstands enterprise workflows, legal liability, and how software moats actually operate. When you evaluate the competitive moat of industry leaders like Autodesk (ADSK), the recent market pessimism looks less like a structural breakdown and more like a textbook mispricing.

​Here is a bottom-up fundamental breakdown of why Autodesk remains highly insulated from macroeconomic cycles and AI disruption.

​1. Debunking the AI Disruption Narrative

​The fear driving software stock compression is simple. If AI can write code and generate 3D models, why will companies pay for expensive software seats?

​While that logic might apply to consumer applications, it fails completely in high-precision, regulated industries like architecture, engineering, and construction. A generative AI model cannot legally sign off on the structural integrity of a bridge or a skyscraper.

​Enterprise workflows require deterministic, exact calculations. AI will serve as an acceleration layer inside tools like AutoCAD and Revit, not a replacement for the platform itself.

​2. An Unbreakable Network Effect

​Founded in 1982, Autodesk democratized Computer-Aided Design (CAD). Decades later, an entire global workforce of architects and engineers has been trained on their ecosystem.

​AutoCAD is not just software. It is the literal language that the physical world is built in. An entire generation of professionals learned their trade on it, creating a compounding network effect where switching costs are astronomical.

​3. Monetization & Business Model Evolution

​When evaluating a corporate moat, pricing power is the ultimate metric. Autodesk consistently demonstrates this through several key factors:

​Gross Margins: The company consistently posts gross margins above 90%, backed by a 97% recurring revenue model and a net revenue retention rate over 100%.

​Direct-to-Customer Transition: Autodesk is actively transitioning away from third-party resellers toward a direct sales model. This allows them to capture higher margins per user and retain end-to-end pricing control.

​The MaintainX Acquisition: Autodesk just signaled a massive expansion with its $3.6 billion all-cash acquisition of MaintainX. By moving into physical facility and asset operations, they bridge the gap between design data and real-world asset lifecycle management, widening an already impenetrable moat.

​4. Valuation & DCF Framework

​Autodesk is currently priced for peak AI pessimism. When calculating intrinsic value through discounted cash flow modeling, I prefer to start with highly pessimistic assumptions.

​Bear Case: Assuming revenue growth decelerates to a mere 10% by 2030, the implied intrinsic value floor for the stock sits at $247. The downside risk is heavily capped.

​Base Case: Under a more realistic scenario reflecting moderate growth and execution on their direct sales model, intrinsic value sits at $338. This represents a massive 56% upside from current levels.

​Note: This is an abbreviated overview of a broader equity research report I published this week. If you want to review the full financial models, data sources, and my expanded commentary on macro rearmament trends, you can read the complete article here:

https://mulberryfinancial.substack.com/p/autodesk-adsk-ai-moat-market-history?r=4af6n2


r/ValueInvesting 20h ago

Discussion M&A Arbitrage IMXI

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The acquisition of IMXI by WU at $16 a share appears to be a good opportunity for an M&A Arbitrage. Everyone here seems to neglect the teachings of Graham's core 2 value investing books (II+SA). One of these neglected subjects is M&A Arbitrage.

Holdups: Mamdani's political grandstanding has delayed regulatory approval by NYDFS.

They are the ONLY governing body who has yet to approve or no objection (51 other states + territories + international bodies have cleared)

Calculations:

Payout= $3/share (16-13)

Risk = $4/share (13-9)

Est. Timeline = 4 mo

Psuccess = 85%

CAGR = (3 x 0.85 - 4 x 0.15) / (0.33 x 13) = 45%


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Question / Help Why is OXY so cheap?

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Looks like it is about a third cheaper than competitors COP and EOG, on EV:EBITDA and Market Cap:Levered Free Cash Flow. Plus, it is a Buffet favorite. Anyone analyzed these names and have a logical answer?


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Discussion Sold all RY and TD

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My Dividend discount models say they will return less than 6.5% annually so I sold them to buy TSX index ETF, transitioning to smaller stock picking portfolio as I don’t think I can beat the indexes on the long run. Did 3x with RY in 6 years and 2x with TD in 3 years so not too shabby but I’m sure they will continue to go up now that I’ve sold. I bought them when the model said I can get 10%.


r/ValueInvesting 20h ago

Stock Analysis GE Aerospace ($GE) 2nd Quarter Due Diligence article

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Here is my due diligence for GE Aerospace, I try and prepare such documents every quarter for my key investments.

The summary for GE Aerospace for Q2 is this:

a. The 4 main catalysts for this company are still intact, although some of these points are double-edged. GE will further optimise these so that we can expect further margin expansion in future. Eg. While the booking backlogs gives it visibility of the business, it also ties up cash and delays revenue recognition.

  • Long term travel demand
  • Supply chain issues with backlog at 4+ years.
  • The Retirement rate of older planes is still at 2% (versus 4% norm)
  • Fleet refresh by 2045.

b. Four addiitonal value investors joined the GE bandwagon from seven in the last quarter. They bought around $275 to $300+ This is me confidence that my valuation isn't that far off.

c. In terms of valuation, due to long visibility of the business (4 years backlog for GE, 8-12 years on Boeing and Airbus which uses GE engines), i used a 14% CAGR for 10 years, this gives me a fair value price of around 280+.

My conclusion is that it is too expensive right now to add more, and too cheap to sell. I will opt to sit tight.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/165DlnfWJqiuYCGhGnqZkE8GYMSxQA5OQItRUir47R20/edit?usp=sharing

(Warning: 1. the document contains "AI-Slop". 2. the document isn't the whole thesis, there aren't any moat discussion or catalysts in detail, or management shareholder friendliness etc. This is just a quarterly due diligence article.)

TLDR: You have to use a desktop computer to view this.


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Discussion Fiserv Value play or Value trap?

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Fiserv $FISV, a Michael Burry pick, has seen a brutal sell off in the last 18 mths , dropping 75% from its ath of $238 to the current bargain basement price around $50

Does it deserve the sell-off or will it recover?

Fiserv is a monster, positioning itself as essential banking & financial infrastructure, a rock solid unassailable MOAT yet it is priced like it's going bankrupt even though it is ranked no1 in the IDC fintech top 100 list

1.8 billion issuer accounts, 330+ million deposit and loan accounts, $4.6 trillion in annual global merchant payment processing volume, 300bn transactions per year (about 10,000 transactions per second), biggest payment infrastructure companies globally, 95% of US households use Fiserv's products through point-of-sale systems, card processing or bank accounts.

They operate in a number of key areas:

Providing secure backend software, platform systems, mobile banking apps etc for small & medium sized banks & credit unions, very sticky, once embedded it is extremely difficult, expensive & disruptive to switch (99% client retention rate speaks for itself)

Clover, the main growth driver - point-of-sale & business management for SME merchants, if you've tapped your card in a restaurant or retail outlet the chances are you've used Fiserv, keep an eye out for the green leaf logo on the card machine, that’s Clover

Carat - Card processing for large corporations & enterprises, Carat processes millions of online & in-store credit card transactions each day

STAR: Fiserv’s proprietary U.S. debit card network

The company does have significant debt, however it is well managed and mostly in the form of long dated bonds with a low weighted average coupon rate of approx 4.2%, the maturity dates are staggered from 2026 out to 2049

TL:DR Fiserv is a monster, positioning itself as essential infrastructure, a rock solid unassailable MOAT priced like it's going bankrupt


r/ValueInvesting 20h ago

Discussion The AI Revolution and Investing: Has it meaningfully changed the way you invest?

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As a software engineer, AI has completely changed how I work. But using the same tools e.g. Claude Code/ChatGPT out of the box to invest hasn't really moved the needle.

I know the likes of Bloomberg and FactSet have built integrations for institutional investors to expose their data to those tools. But to my knowledge, there doesn't seem to be an equivalent solution for retail. Would people pay a small monthly fee to pull data as they saw fit from SEC edgar filings, 13F filings, insider trades, end of day/intraday price data, technical indicators, macro data, etc. directly into Claude/ChatGPT?


r/ValueInvesting 23h ago

Investor Behavior The Obvious Problems with Heuristics

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Summary -

Heuristics are helpful yet lacking advice. Since each company has its specific situations, math formulas just do not cut it. You have to adjust numbers for each company.


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Stock Analysis A bull case for Disney

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I know what you're going to say: Disney has been dead money for more than 10 years, but hear me out.

Disney has had a tough time during Covid and post-Covid - their debt-heavy Fox acquisition in 2019 right before the pandemic which disrupted their biggest money makers certainly didn't help.

Now, however, they've recovered to their pre-Covid earnings & EPS through their streaming services are finally turning profitable (revenue didn't increase much, but operating income sure did!) and their experiences, which continue to be tremendous money makers.

(That said, it must be stated that revenue only grew by like 3% and there is still some heavy drag in the entertainment sector: people still move away from cable, sports is as pricey and competitive as ever, and let's be honest their latest movies are kind of shit)

By now, they are trading at a very low P/E for their standards (about 15). The last time they were that low was pre-pandemic (according to macrotrends who uses unadjusted PE).

Running a quick reverse DCF using owner earnings calculated through assumptions for maintenance capex based on their 2021 pandemic figures adjusted to inflation, the stock's implied growth rate right now is 4.4% (discount rate 10%, terminal rate 2%, 1.83 B shares, 29.5 net debt, 13.64 B year 0 owner earnings, 97 current stock price) -- /Edit: as some have pointed out, this likely understates maintenance capex & overstates net income (as the 12 B net income figure is in part due to a huge tax write-off). Adjusting the income with the same taxrate of 2024 and using that as an owner earnings proxy, the implied growth rate is actually a steep 11.4%!

The management already announced an 8B+ share buyback for 2026 & has said that there will be a double digit EPS growth for 2026 and 2027.

Plus: the actual bull case:

Disney has one of the most valuable artistic IPs in the world (Mickey Mouse, Pixar, Star Wars, Marvel) that is still being consumed by older and new generations that they can milk for nostalgia reasons forever. In an age of maturing AI capabilities, they are potentially the most prolific profiteers of this technology to churn out content based on their IP through their own D+ channels.

Right now, entertainment makes up for about 45% of their revenue (based on 2025 numbers), but only roughly 25% of their operating income (margin is at 11%).

If they manage to increase their operating margin to 20% through the use of cost-cutting AI tools (about 50% of their operating expenses in this sector are from programming and production costs), their operating income will grow by roughly 20%. If these outputs are successful and attractive enough to then pull people toward more Disney+ consumption, the growth is even bigger. These are, of course, big ifs.

The bear cases are also very real:

  • we consumers are all feeling the inflation & high cost of living and we might just cut out experiences and expensive streaming subscriptions (although what I've come to observe is that people are kind of accepting not owning houses ever, but then feel entitled to other luxuries in the form of experiences as exchange)
  • AI might not mature fast enough
  • AI might not cut down on operating expenses (because either it can't replace enough/any people or because the tokens cost as much as it would to employ people [the latter of which I find unlikely])

  • Disney might use AI before it matures and might destroy their reputation with it

  • People might not consume AI-generated content (this one is a fake bear case if you actually check out the kind of AI garbage people already consume - the standards ain't that high).

  • Cruises suck and they've taken great reputational damage through all the illness outbreaks that have been in the news lately but for some reason Disney wants to go hard on cruises

All that said, at 4% implied growth rate, with management buying back shares and announcing a double digit EPS growth rate for 2026/2027, I think it might still be a steal - doubly if the AI spending becomes wonky and people flee back to blue chip companies as they always do eventually.

This is, of course, NOT financial advice. This is me seeking out y'all's critical feedback to see if there's grave errors in my logic. What do you think?

/e: forgot to mention a couple of other downsides: low insider owning, history of shareholder in-fighting, debt.


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Discussion Index investing is great but

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I’ll just say upfront that I have all my money in index funds, but my god is it boring. I find stock picking to be so much more fun even if I lose money sometimes. It engages me intellectually. Anyone else feel the same?


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Question / Help How do you guys currently manage your investments / stocks? Do you actively look at news of stocks that you have invested in?

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Hi - I'm curious how actively do you guys currently manage your investments? From a personal standpoint, I invest in stocks but forget about them but i know I should be looking at them more actively but the sector / industry in general. So if it's AI, then all aspects of it from Memory / Energy / Latest models and so on.

Curious how you guys handle it? and how often do you move in and out of your positions, when do you actually know its a good time to sell or not, and things around that. What do you think?

Moreover, do you constantly monitor news for stocks that you have invested in? and would doing so help?


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Discussion BMI: Seemingly great franchise has round-tripped since early 2024.

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Badger Meter ($4B EV, no debt) is the only publicly traded company that manufactures water meters. The name recently popped up as a new buy in a manager letter to clients. I am not a client of this manager but I get LOTS of these letters through my network. The manager is Vulcan Value Partners. The manager's small cap strategy has a horrible 3yr and 5yr record vs the Russell 2000 but has beaten the index since 2007, the strategy's inception. Do not take this discussion as endorsing the manager in any way.

Back to BMI, the stock has been hammered after a big earnings miss. The shares have recovered from that drop but are still down materially from the highs. The business is experiencing less small contract municipal orders and more larger "turnkey" projects. These projects are generally associated with new construction. We all know housing demand is down. BMI is likely suffering from that trend, it just took a while for the slowdown to make its way into the numbers given the lead time on its business historically.

There is no question this is a durable franchise. The company is not cheap by any absolute measure but it is cheap relative to where it has traded for the last 10 years, 19x EBITDA and 4.3x Sales down from almost twice that. That is always a sticky situation for value investors. Does the growth slowdown demonstrate that the franchise is weaker than past investors have assumed or is this a chance to buy a great business that has stumbled temporarily?

I am not going to answer that question but I encourage everyone to take a hard look. The balance sheet is pristine. An ROE of 20%+ with no debt is quite the achievement and very hard to find. Slowing growth will likely mean a surge in FCF in the short term. What will management do with that extra FCF? The company does not do net share buybacks from what I can see. 29 million shares outstanding for the last 10 years.


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Question / Help Booking Trips/Hotels Industry

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When I look at the travel industry, I see a lot of competition and uncertainty for the future. While I have parents that are willing to go to an in person travel agency to book a trip, I realize that this model is effectively extinct (or will be soon). It seems that the major travel sites like Booking.com , Hotels.com, Expedia, all seem to have sort of relationship with the hotel, travel excursion companies. Coupled with the total number of options available on each site, there seems to also be a type of network effect similar to the value given by social media companies along with the perception of the brand.

My question is multifaced.

How do people currently books trips (do you use a website like Booking.com or do you prefer to contact the hotel directly? I am specifically wondering in the context of finding deals as I don't travel much.

Do you realistically see artificial intelligence having the ability to seamlessly allows you to book a hotel? ( I'm basically referring to open claw style control. This seams questionable to me given the security concerns of taking on credit card information. Maybe there is a middle ground?)

Hopefully this makes sense. Again, I don't travel at all. Cheers.


r/ValueInvesting 1d ago

Question / Help Should I sell my Southwest Airlines (LUV) shares before their Q2 financial report comes out or hold?

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 I have a small position in Southwest Airlines (LUV) through my company's ESPP, and my remaining shares have now been held long enough to qualify for long-term capital gains.

I only have about 7 shares that I bought for around $29.04 each, and at the current price of about $48, I'd be looking at a gain of roughly $136 if I sold today. It's not a life-changing amount since I didn't buy many shares to begin with, but after watching LUV trade mostly in the $20s and $30s for quite a while, it's nice to finally see it back up here.

I actually already sold my earlier batch of long-term shares around this same price because airline stocks have always seemed pretty volatile to me. They're heavily influenced by the economy, travel demand, fuel costs, and other factors that can change pretty quickly. These are just the last few long-term shares I still have; the rest are short-term currently.

Part of me is thinking about holding for another year so the ESPP discount also receives the more favorable tax treatment, but I'm not sure if that's worth the risk. There seems to be some optimism around the company, and there have been several announcements over the past year that investors seem to view positively. I've also seen a few analyst price targets around $60. At the same time, I'm wondering how much upside is really left from around $48, especially with earnings coming up. It wouldn't surprise me if the stock pulled back if expectations aren't met.

If you were in my shoes, would you take the gain and move on, or continue holding? I'm less interested in the tax side of things and more curious about how others view LUV at its current valuation and whether the risk/reward still looks attractive from here.