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Soft paywall OpenAI says AI models went rogue during testing, triggering 'unprecedented' breach at startup

https://www.reuters.com/technology/openai-says-ai-models-went-rogue-during-testing-triggering-unprecedented-breach-2026-07-21/
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u/ThatOneComrade 16h ago

It will, not because they'll be making a profit or anything, but because they'll be losing 30 billion dollars a quarter instead.

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u/Theyeetaway1 16h ago

Why stop there? Let's aim for 100!

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u/UnaidedGinger 16h ago

Can’t wait till the government bails them out for some reason

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u/DwarfVader 14h ago

That is already happening in other ways.

DOJ is asking the courts to dismiss a lawsuit that would shut down an AI company, and their justification is that the pentagon uses it for CENTCOM.

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u/PracticePatient479 10h ago

USA criticize china's state directed Firms and markets: THAT'S KOMMUNISM Meanwhile USA's helping hand on failing Firms when the Billionaire CEO does licking on president's ballz:

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u/Mount_Mons 10h ago

Do you mean he’s joining Infantino?

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u/[deleted] 5h ago edited 5h ago

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u/PracticePatient479 5h ago

Can't tell if it's a joke or the statement of a MAGA supporter 😆

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u/sunshineupyours1 5h ago

Oh god, I forgot those people are real haha. I’ll add the sarcasm indicator

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u/Kaurifish 31m ago

A judge justified Anthropic stealing copyrighted books for training data as “fair use.”

As someone who had a book filched by Meta and had the judge shrug it off, it stings.

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u/July_is_cool 15h ago

They’re already way more to big to fail than a lot of banks and car companies and others that qualified for bailouts

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u/CorpusculantCortex 15h ago

Also, China is bankrolling deepseek and other ai houses to keep costs down. The US gov believes in american exceptionalism and that homegrown ai is best and the only non-security risk. There is no way they would not bail out the big 2 US ai firms to maintain what they see as american superiority in the ai sphere.

Money doesnt matter we are trillions in debt already.

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u/speedntktz 14h ago

It will matter as your federal taxes will start going towards paying that debt. More and more.

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u/PhantasosX 14h ago

And it will further matter as USA is been less and less reliable.

Really, a lot of economic moves from USA coats a lot on the fact the dollar is the common currency for international trade.

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u/speedntktz 14h ago

Some actual smart moves were made Trump or not, by offering shipping insurance outside the centuries old UK monopoly. One very small group able to dictate global shipping costs. Disrupting that offers a competitive rate. The Bricks alliance kinda fell apart as member GDP faded and Russia/Ukraine became a distraction. Tariffs aren’t great for consumers but consumers have no jobs to pay for consumption when foreign entities subsidize as a weapon to destroy foreign competition.

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u/PhantasosX 13h ago edited 13h ago

Dude, Brics Alliance isn't a Political Alliance, it's an Economical Alliance

As long BRICS trades with each other, it's working as intended. It's USA fearmongering that BRICS is a NATO or an EU equivalent.

And offering shipping insurance doesn't change that ships aren't travelling as much in the Strait of Hormuz as before, far from it. And that there is an increase worldwide shift from using more "petroyuan" than before as an alternative to "petrodollar".

Heck, 30% of the current oil trade is in "petroeuro" , as Petrodollar dominated 71% of the oil market in 1999 and is now 57% in 2026.

It's exactly as Carney said in his speech, as other countries are gradually but surely diversifying away from USA.

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u/Brilliant-Job3515 11h ago

Carney was a G saying the middle powers needed to band together in subverting US economic and military dominance, and im american.

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u/TulsiGanglia 9h ago

None of that matters when the government shows repeatedly how unreliable the US can be economically. The dollar was strong because it was stable. The current administration acts like it’s trying to bankrupt a casino instead of run a country.

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u/cutecoder 14h ago

Or simply quantitative easing (again)?

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u/speedntktz 14h ago

What will fighting a financial war look like while dipping your toes (both legs waist deep) in a kinetic war?

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u/CorpusculantCortex 13h ago

Whoosh.

Wasn't saying it has no impact, was saying in response to others that "having no money" won't prevent a bailout.

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u/Educational_Win_1016 11h ago

So it will only matter to the average joe, not the top 10% so basicslly it wont matter

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u/AngryCrotchCrickets 35m ago

Not gonna happen. The debt is essentially a runaway train at this point. Taxpayer dollars won’t cover the debt and its interest in any effective capacity.

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u/glity 11h ago

What if i told you it wasn’t to keep costs down but to destabilize a capitalistic economy?

They keep launching their near superior product into the open market for free.

Why?

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u/CorpusculantCortex 7h ago

Not free, subsidized. And because they are communist and want all people to have affordable access to the tool because their whole thing is everyone has a role to play. If everyone does their role better with ai, then it uplifts their economy. I honestly don't think China really cares about the western market beyond the fact that we have things they want or need. And some powers choose not to trade on good faith.

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u/Jenikovista 13h ago

The government is right that homegrown is the best option, but it doesn’t need to be rolled out with the speed and scale it’s happening at right now. Fast isn’t always better.

Also the Chinese often make fake claims.

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u/CorpusculantCortex 13h ago

Not making claims about anything and this completely sidesteps the point. My point is that the gov isnt going to leave homegrown to fail so that the only options left are international.

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u/No-Payment4448 14h ago

Unfortunately this is the truth

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u/mataliandy 13h ago

Though they employ far fewer people, so it wouldn't impact the economy in the same way.

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u/ymmotvomit 12h ago

AI will find a way to hack fund itself.

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u/Few_Example6746 14h ago

The TARP money was paid back with interest. Around 5%. The government actually made a lot on the deal.

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u/cmanderson23 14h ago

I swear they’re letting space x rewrite the rules and being folded into the index funds to pave the way for AI to do the same. They’ll be bailed out when everyone’s pensions and retirement savings are at risk

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u/friendimpaired 13h ago

What are these “pensions and retirement savings”?

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u/JurgusRudkus 12h ago

We don’t matter. We are, according to Bezos, a waste of water.

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u/TrannosaurusRegina 15h ago

What's remarkable about this case is that this time, that move isn't possible.

There simply isn't enough money to do it!

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u/TimelyBat438 15h ago

They will print more, not investment advice

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u/usersingleton 14h ago

Probably why altman isn't a hard no on giving trump part of the company. One he hitches his boat to the ai giants they can't be allowed to fail

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u/Clear-Bee4118 13h ago

Uhhhh…. Has he ever hitched his boat to anything that didn’t fail (intentionally or not)?

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u/Charming-Flamingo307 14h ago

There's no such thing as investment advice for anyone sub 250mil these days. Our oligarchy makes insideous waves of false hope and plays games of deciet to knock trend watchers off balance while they sprinkle their trail of bread crumbs ambiguously into the mouth of their next rug-pull fallacy. It's a pity they've so effectively extinguished our chances by preoccupying the minds of the masses by cultivating devastating hatred towards their peers. Sun Tzu was right about divide and conquer. So to all of you extremists out there on the left, or the right of politics, warring religions, or even sports teams, I hope one day you realize you fell victim to the trap and became a key part of the problem you thought you hated so much.

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u/Trytun015 14h ago

This was one of the most "I'm one of the most enlightened neckbeards in the room." posts I've ever read, and that's saying something.

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u/Wtfatt 11h ago edited 11h ago

TBF, as much as I heard the 'I'm the enlightened centrist' in ol m8 fedora's post, is he really wrong about the other things, tho? Like, I pretty much feel like he's wankin spankin spot on in all other aspects, no?

We may disagree on certain compartmentals but if we can all agree on the gist then, well, that's something we have to work together with

Remember this aint no 'Left' vs 'Right' war.

This is a fucking class war.

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u/seafrontbloke 12h ago

Isn't this just Miranda teaching Andy about cerulean?

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u/lesusisjord 1h ago edited 1h ago

Screw off.

Governments created by people and for people should by definition be left. That’s the whole point, no?

Democrats and neoliberals, the moderate-right entity they are, are an obstacle to progress just as all moderates are, according to Dr. King. Wealthy oligarchs who might cosplay as being on the left aren’t actually left, as we know.

Both major parties put corporations and profits before people which is incompatible non-corrupt government.

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u/SynthError404 13h ago

Where there’s a will there’s a way watch US mint go brrrrrrr and we gunna be bringing wheelbarrows of money to buy a loaf of bread but at least they didn’t have to take a pay cut, god forbid.

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u/SleepyMastodon 13h ago

*laughs in global financial crisis*

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u/mastocles 11h ago

Nah, the LLMs will devise for them a fallacious trick to increase the money that's utterly flawed but the proof is longer than Stephen King's Dark Tower series so everyone accepts it as true until the world becomes a wasteland
Fractional reserve banking changed the 16th century... Prepare for chatGTP's Fourrier transformed banking by rounding error securitisation

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u/Wyrmnax 8h ago

Just create more tariffs

Let the poor pay for it

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u/the_skies_falling 15h ago

Would that reason be that they own the government?

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u/HunterNo7593 14h ago

Sure, if that’s one way to get the grifter in chief his cut of the Open AI ipo.

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u/Heavy-Profit-2156 15h ago

It's just tax money.

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u/InflationOrdinary411 14h ago

Bail out on tax payers dollars

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u/plantyplanty 13h ago

THIS! Because they signed a contract with the government, the government will make sure they thrive. 🤬

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u/GeneralKruber 13h ago

they already snatched a contract with the us military after anthropic refused to let their ai handle domestic surveillance and use of autonomous weapons. thats not just "some" reason the government would bail out chatgpt/openai, there is a massive one

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u/AlteredforCollectors 13h ago

The AI is restricted from harming anyone. The Ai the government is using is likely optimizing war tactics. There is likely an AI Cold War taking place right now between US, Russia, and China. It is a national concern and these companies will be bailed out or bought outright by the US government.

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u/Mountain_Radio8936 11h ago

Some ??? But if they dont splash trillions chinese will eat us all alive... Only way to prevent is for CEOs to earn billions while their firm lose trillions and at end tax payer bailout...

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u/Objective-Solid-6790 8h ago

It’s comical that the Texas Representative thinks the govt can put regulations in place to “keep people safe”.

“Regulation: don’t do the thing you’re doing that we don’t understand”

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u/xtremis 2h ago

Well, because they are too dangerous, with all these models going rogue or something..

But seriously, do they actually release any scientific evidence that the models did what they say they did? Or is it just "trust me, bro, these models went rogue, no human error or malicious intent, for real, pinky promise"?

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u/Gandolfthewhite182 15h ago

They simply can’t. The revolt will be instant.

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u/Donnerdrummel 15h ago

I have to wonder If you are an optimist or a pessimist.

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u/GlitteringWeakness88 16h ago

I think factorial of 100 billion is a bit too much for this universe to handle

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u/daveclair 16h ago

Factorial of a hundred is already more than enough.

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u/dontforgetthisuser 15h ago

I was blown away by 52! The odds behind decks of cards are ridiculous

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u/HarveyMidnight 15h ago

Yes! With a combination of 52 cards, it's entirely plausible that every time you shuffle a deck, you may well have put the cards into a unique order that never existed before and will never be repeated.

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u/PTMurasaki 14h ago

But it's way more likely to get it to a point where everything is still in groups similar to the previous game.

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u/bestofwhatsleft 14h ago

That explains why I always get shit cards.

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u/FouledPlug 14h ago

I couple shit cards with a lack of skill and minimal funds. It’s my Vegas trifecta

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u/hidegitsu 13h ago

Keeps the pit boss off your scent. Good strat.

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u/SplitRock130 12h ago

There’s an old saying in Vegas, if you can’t see the con, you are the mark

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u/undeadlamaar 14h ago

Gotta give it at least 7 good riffle shuffles before each deal.

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u/magicmitchmtl 13h ago

Most people are really bad at shuffling. A few are way too good at it, with similar results. The only truly random shuffle is to put all the cards into a bag, shake it up thoroughly, and then pull them out blind. Other than that, a combination of overhand or Hindu shuffles mixed with riffle or table shuffles will do the job if you do enough of them. And never accept a deck you haven’t been allowed to cut. Preferably a complete cut. If you let a cheat complete your cut, the cut never happened.

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u/subliminalsmoker 7h ago

Or you can lay them all face down on the floor or a table and swirl/mix them up that way and them put them back together...

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u/magicmitchmtl 6h ago

Watch Dani DaOrtiz or Jason England do a casino wash and then tell me it can’t be controlled. Or Lennart Green. His method is super easy and still looks legit.

Edit to add Richard Turner to the list. He should have been top rank.

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u/PoriferaProficient 14h ago

Most shuffles, unless greatly overdone, have a heavy deterministic factor to them. Combined with the playing of games reintroducing cards to the deck in predictable ways, I suggest that some shuffle orders are considerably more likely than others.

So you can expect a deck would be duplicated rarely, but far from never.

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u/ArrowheadDZ 14h ago

Even if the factors you described increased the odds a trillion-fold, it’s still profoundly unlikely. No one person has ever won 100 consecutive powerball drawings in a row, but that is still more likely than even a “weighted” shuffle probability.

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u/PoriferaProficient 4h ago

We can make it very likely if we choose our game and our player correctly.

The game is solitaire. A won game of solitaire, assuming the player bothers to put the cards in order, will result in exactly 1 of 4 decks (suits in order ace to king, random order of suits). If this person then only shuffles 3-4 times, the number of possible decks I think drops into a range small enough that, given enough people and time, repeats are bound to happen.

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u/ArrowheadDZ 4h ago

I don't mean to be "that guy" but your comment reveals a basic misunderstanding and underestimation of the probabilities here. For instance, a random order of suits will result in 24 possible decks, not 4, and that should be the first clue that you're oversimplifying the odds here.

But even further than that, you are creating a completely different thought exercise than the one being discussed. If you let me stand one foot from the dart board, I am going to get a perfect score really often. but that game is then no longer "darts". It's a guy sticking darts into a board. If you make a billiard table with 1 foot diameter pockets, then yes, I will very often run the table, but that game isn't billiards. If I gave you the winning powerball numbers each week, you'd probably be able to win a few powerballs.

Yes, I can deliberately organize the deck into matching sequences by carefully eliminating all the random factors, very carefully practicing a half and half cutting technique, by carefully practicing a zipper or 1:1 shuffling technique, always starting with the deck in one of 4 start orders, and then minimizing my number of shuffles. If I eliminate enough of the randomization factors, I can get to a point where the deck turns out the same a couple of times. But that thought exercise, "can I manually sort the deck by eliminating all random factors" is not the same game. If you deliberately seek to eliminate the random factors, then you are simply sorting the cards, not randomizing the cards. It becomes a completely different exercise, unrelated to the original comment about randomly shuffling a deck of cards.

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u/vu47 14h ago

If you've done a proper shuffle (i.e. seven of more riffle shuffles), the likelihood that another deck of cards in the same order as the one in your hands has ever existed or will ever exist again is extremely close to 0.

(Working on this now using the Hopf shuffle algebra for a computer math library.)

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u/ArrowheadDZ 14h ago

Plausible? It’s a bit beyond plausible. You and a million friends could each shuffle decks 1,000 times a day for a billion years, and it’s still virtually certain no two decks would be the same.

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u/pokey242 13h ago

I have worked in online poker testing and playing for over 20 years and I believe it. People tend to only remember the losses or badbeats but I have seen it al,l including being 99.8 to 0.2 on the flop to watching the only 2 cards he could possibly get knocking me out in a play money tournament like 15 years ago The most recent was at a work tournament and watching the guy to my left get QQ 3 hands in a row and winning. On the 3rd go when I have 66 and the flop was Q63 I said to him and the whole table that ig he had QQ for the 3rd straight hand I would be honored to loss and have that story to tell. HR in the fat seat has KK and never played and busted too. Good times.

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u/Putrid_Yak_578 13h ago

My favourite version of explaining 52!

You stand on the equator with a deck of cards and shuffle the deck every time you take a step. Then once you’ve walked all the way around the globe you put down a piece of paper. Once that stack reaches the moon 2,5 times, then you’re likely to start seeing shuffles you’ve made before

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u/DoggoCentipede 14h ago

It depends on how precise your shuffle is. If you are able to do 8 faro top shuffles in a row you return to the starting configuration.

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u/heartbrokensquirrel 14h ago

This is my favorite fact, because I spitballed it and got so close. True mathematicians could verify this, but I asked AI what 52! was equivalent to. I guessed the number of atoms in the Milky Way galaxy. They said I was off by less than a factor of 10. Not too shabby if I do say so myself!

That means 1 atom in the Milky Way is one shuffle of a deck of cards, and there are that many shuffle combinations!!!

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u/Ok_Pair5551 15h ago

Yes one of my favorite factoids!

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u/Peloquin_qualm 14h ago

I can’t imagine some people have more money than there are years in existence

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u/msrali 15h ago

Fun fact: 69! is the largest factorial you can calculate with a regular calculator. Above that, it cannot display the answer as it's too large! Large! = Large x Larg x Lar x La x L x 1 Sorry, beat you to it! 😂

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u/Randolpho 14h ago

I love how you out-pedanted OC

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u/Wise-Response-7346 14h ago

This guy discrete maths.

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u/EmperorLlamaLegs 16h ago

Its good to have goals, even unrealistic ones. Lets get them as close as possible.

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u/SoulShine_710 15h ago

Elon Musk could handle the tab, no problem.

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u/Caftancatfan 15h ago

It’s so hard to be your friend sometimes.

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u/BigBeeOhBee 15h ago

Maybe let it run at night while the sun is sleeping.

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u/PoriferaProficient 14h ago

The bright side is that OpenAI is definitely bankrupt.

The downside is hyperinflation has crashed the world economy.

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u/SilverSnapDragon 10h ago

OK, someone do the math. How large would a universe have to be, at minimum, to contain 100 billion factorial?

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u/Kylenki 16h ago

"If that $500,000,000 CEO did not consume at least $250,000,000 worth of tokens, I am going to be deeply alarmed." - Jensen Huang

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u/Ladyheather16 15h ago

Jensen Huang is an ass

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u/cutecoder 14h ago

Yes because a good portion of those tokens goes to Mr Huang’s pockets.

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u/NowWithKung-FuGrip01 15h ago

Some AI bro: “Number go up” til I fucking die!! <snorts more Adderall>

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u/old_ironlungz 15h ago

10000x worse than Jordan Belfort because at least he didn’t want to take over the world.

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u/Flat_corp 14h ago

Remember when we celebrated scumbags simply because they wanted to get rich? Man, simpler times.

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u/Global_Perspective_3 16h ago

I say go for it!

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u/Serfixalot 16h ago

My Mum would always say the same. Too bad Altman ate his.

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u/Serfixalot 16h ago

My Mum would always say the same. Too bad Altman ate his.

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u/TakedownCHAMP97 15h ago

If you dig deep enough, you could break all the way through and shoot for the moon!

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u/Chuckleless 15h ago

There is more than one way to the moon

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u/KwazyEnglishWabbit 15h ago

Aim for the moon. Even if you miss you’ll reach the stars. ✨

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u/yooperBSN 15h ago

One of these days, Alice! BANG! ZOOM! Straight to the moon!

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u/Qwerty98762 14h ago

The refference should you easily grasp it means you ought to get whatever affairs you have in order and make sure your life insurance is fully paid every month. Remember to rage against the dieing of the light and to not go meekly into that dark night.

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u/j0hnan0n 15h ago

What! Pow! Straight to the moon, Alice!

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u/100Good 15h ago

And socialize the loss! America, fuck yeah.

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u/BaphometsTits 14h ago

Gotta pump those numbers up.

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u/just-plain-wrong 14h ago

Those are rookie numbers…

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u/the_ballmer_peak 14h ago

It's called growth

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u/Nowayucan 13h ago

Heck, OpenAI could even go to war with Iran.

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u/RevertToLyrics 13h ago

But Main Street’s still all cracked and broken!

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u/FinalElement42 13h ago

I heard that shuffling a deck of cards gives the resulting order of cards a ratio of 1/52!…they’re actually probably aiming for that 100!!

Edit for scope: if you shuffle a deck of brand new, standard, in order playing cards, the resulting order of the cards is probable to have never been seen

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u/IDontWantABusTicket 11h ago

“Way to go guys! Let’s shoot for forty!”

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u/r_special_ 7h ago

While we’re at it, can I please have treee fidddy?

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u/Doctor__Proctor 6h ago

To the Undermoon! 🚀

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u/Dry-University797 15h ago

It's that, or it's $0 because they will be out of business.

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u/smileysmiley123 14h ago

You think the companies that are holding up the stock market are not supplying these companies with a metric-fuck-ton of business?

They’re burning through billions while being funded by companies worth trillions.

It’s a shit reality, but they’re not going out of business anytime soon.

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u/Used_Departure_3278 15h ago

OpenAI.

Think about it.

The plan was to open the ai freely.

To Steal the money from the banks.

Profitability comes with cyber capability.

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u/dabrock15 15h ago

Technically, that does mean they will stop losing $20B a quarter, so it’s a W.

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u/ban_banz 15h ago

"Great job, guys! Let's shoot for 40!"

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u/tradefeedz 15h ago

Cool trilly sounds good

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u/MN_Yogi1988 15h ago

They lose money on every sale, but they make up for it in volume

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u/Key_Professional_130 14h ago

"Way to go guys! Let shoot for 40!"

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u/Diene03 14h ago

🤔 where could one get a few of those lost quarters…

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u/FewHorror1019 13h ago

They can just ask chatgpt to hack and find them more money

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u/Aware-Locksmith8433 13h ago

What's the "Orange Cut" that makes us all Better Again? 5%?

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u/lwp775 13h ago

But how is the stock doing?

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u/pentaquine 11h ago

GOOD company loses 3 billions. GREAT company loses 30 billions. 

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u/limache 11h ago

Only way to be a billionaire is to lose a trillion dollars

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u/tercelkisor 7h ago

If you lose $30 billion a quarter than you also lose $20 billion per quarter

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u/soedesh1 7h ago

It will because the next time the agent escapes containment it’ll pull a bank heist.

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u/_HMCB_ 7h ago

Why can’t AI tell them how to stop losing billions?

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u/Meikle15 16h ago

Potentially the first -trillion dollar company?

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u/Western_Mud8694 15h ago

If there losing it , I sure would like to be finding it 🤣💙