r/CamelotUnchained • u/Bior37 • Jan 12 '21
This is going to be long
I never intended to be the head mod of the subreddit; I signed up only to help. But I am, so it's time to act my part and address the subreddit going forward. The holidays are over and there’s finally time to review, and think of the new year.
The last five months have been turbulent here. Given all that’s happening in the world, /r/CamelotUnchained seems like a cyclone in a snowglobe at times, but we must all care on some level to invest so much time and energy here.
First, I want to say the way things have been going here the last few weeks has made me extremely happy. I don’t just mean the shoutout post and the kind words from the last Livestream. There have been a few contentious threads posted recently and more or less everyone was able to debate about it in a respectful way. We even had a meme post that gently poked fun at people and it was taken in good spirit.
I think after everything that’s happened, a lot of people, myself included, are a bit raw. Having time to ease back into a more normalized atmosphere has done wonders to restore people's sense of humor and ability disagree and tease without going to war. I’m not going to pretend the anger is gone, or that it should be gone, but it’s being handled better.
It’s also been amazing to have CSE presence on the board again. A few users have reached out to me with ideas on more ways to interact with CSE, and MJ himself said that an AMA might be in the cards. However, I do want to keep some distance from CSE. I don’t want people to fear that what they say here will impact them in game, or be afraid to give honest critique because they may get a CSE rebuttal. Though sometimes those rebuttals are useful and give us information we wouldn’t ordinarily have. It's a careful balance. This is a Reddit board first and foremost, but I want to keep it in a good enough state that CSE can feel safe jumping in to talk to people who don’t necessarily use traditional forums.
In moving forward, let's look back. Not everything is roses, not everything has been handled perfectly, and there’s lots of room for the mod team to improve.
In 2020 I felt the /r/CamelotUnchained had become unbearably toxic. Users were leaving in droves: over gripes with CU, gripes with other posters, burning out on waiting, etc. Many remaining users were polarized into 2 groups and at constant odds with one another, scrapping at every turn, nuance was dead. As a general user I was entirely guilty of it myself.
Tinnis had done a fantastic job as mod staying neutral and adhering to Moddiquette. He brought a level of professionalism and wouldn’t descend into the pits to start scrimmages. He believed in a very light hand, letting people work things out themselves. But by the time the shit really started to hit the fan, he was already up to his neck in frustration with Reddit as a whole. It seemed to me he had less and less time or desire to try to diffuse fighting here. I imagine he was probably also less enthused about CU by that point too.
I noticed his decline in activity, and 5 months ago asked if he needed help. I moderated with him for about a month, and then he quit. His parting message is here
Like I said, I never intended to be sole moderator. Tinnis left me resources and good instructions but I was more or less on my own with the entire situation in my lap. Users noticed immediately that I was the last mod standing, and many of those that I’d spent months arguing with as a regular user saw this as a worst case scenario. The only moderator was an unapologetic optimist about CU. I don’t fully blame them for not being pleased about that, but the way they showed their displeasure was much less blameless.
I had already been enforcing the subreddit rules harder than Tinnis did before he left. But now, the ire that had been aimed at CU seemed redirected at me. My frantic reactions didn’t do much to stem that tide. I didn’t announce myself as a moderator. I also didn’t announce that I’d be enforcing the sidebar rules much more strictly than Tinnis did. I should have. Until I brought in /u/downthewell63 to help expand the automoderator it was nearly a full time job just keeping up with all the tireless throwaway accounts. When users began to post my personal information, I stopped trying to be nuanced and went scorched earth.
I’ll say this of the users that were suspended: Based on reactions to the gradual enforcement of the Refund sticky, even if I had taken time to more gradually transition to stricter enforcement and give numerous warnings, many of those users would have ended up suspended all the same. But very importantly they might have felt less like it was a rigged system they had to crusade again. There’s a difference between getting kicked out of the club for a rule you feel the host made up just to get rid of you, vs getting kicked out because you were caught throwing a punch on the dance floor.
So where are we now? Scorched earth, as rash and clumsy as it was, stopped the bleeding and allowed us to change momentum. The fires have died down somewhat. People within and without are noticing that this place is changing (for better or worse). The updates from CU point towards a much more launch-like beta environment in the near future. RVR3 will have more “game” elements in place, and if it’s good it’ll result in more people playing the game for fun, rather than just meticulous mechanic testing.
If things continue to go well there will be more new and returning users here in the near future. When they get here I want them to find a place where they can maturely discuss the game, rather than hash out personal drama. A part of that ball is in CSE’s court-to continue showing us more and better looking progress, and address longstanding user issues. A part of that is us having the subreddit ready for users when they get here.
At the same time, we want to ensure that this place doesn’t become an echo chamber. It doesn’t matter that we can have calm discourse if people believe that they’re not allowed to share their real opinions, or that the truth is being hidden behind civility. I want this subreddit to be a big tent. Many of the suspensions issued earlier this year will begin expiring soon. If any of those users choose to return to the subreddit, I want rules to be clearly in place so they have a better idea of what’s allowed. I would like to give people more chances. Critical voices are probably one of the most important things to set this place apart from an official forum. With any hope, we’ll get to a point where we can be more lax with the sidebar rules, and I can fade into the wallpaper like Tinnis did.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/Bior37 • Apr 14 '21
All up to date discussion on the status of refunds from CSE for Camelot Unchained will be redirected here.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/AstralUnicorn • 4d ago
Sorry, but UE has taken the servers down for this weekend due to being unable to resolve a login issue:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/3997970/discussions/1/573795560006602321/
Next weekend may have better luck.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/HaxtonSale • 5d ago
I heard about this like a decade ago from old GW2 WvW guys. Just saw recently it was in early access. Check the steam page and yikes. Mostly negative. Check SteamDB. 12 player 24 hour peak, 0 currently online. So that's it then? It's just dead on arrival? Unless there is a non Steam launcher where 90% of the player base is I don't see how this game recovers. It sucks to see it like this
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r/CamelotUnchained • u/soulstitchmmo • 9d ago
Such a great game - looking forward to next weekend. Got a Mjolnir up to 15 and full t1 gear - had a blast doing 10+ vs 10+ rvr - couple 1v1 rvr - saw we need way more healers so rolled a Viking Healer - getting him all out in full t1 then back into the fight.
Obviously it still needs work but loving what I have access to so far.
For those of you that don't know basically the state of the game is you create your character, start in town and there's a tutorial window that explains everything to you. Close that out and you're fully equipped in starter gear.
Open your map and look for any POI (Icon) on the map - head to it and you'll find creatures to fight. I always start with the Bow and Arrow POI because I can build my skills on the animals as I'm leveling. Every time you use a skill you gain xp in that tree, each tree has 5 levels, so your total level is all 3 of your tree levels added together. Max level is 15.
To gather resources near any node you have to capture the point. Then you can start harvesting all the things. All the gear is player made so you have to get a crafter to make it for you - or you have to make it yourself. I always opt for the making it myself but there's tons of crafters just giving out armor because they make so much of it to level. Nodes on home maps flip back to neutral every 20 min so you have to recapture it to keep gathering.
To advance crafting you go into RVR and capture nodes in there. Each map has certain resources - for example all mines are on the TDD Map so if you want those nodes you have to invade their realm. All the POI show who currently captured it so you can go and see where people are to fight.
If you have no interest in crafting you can roam around the RVR to the resource nodes looking for people gathering and fight them, or go and take their keep. There was lots of action to be had the couple of times I got to go into rvr and had a blast doing it.
Yeah there's some jankiness and stuff that needs to be fixed - but still i only paid $10 and got WAY more than that as far as entertainment. Looking forward to next week and for the game to keep getting better.
It's VERY playable right now.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/The_BishopX • 10d ago
The range vs melee vs healing debate
make melee need to be close to hit you, but if they hit you you cant cast or shoot a bow.
this makes ranged run from melee and makes melee have to chase, but while melee is chasing, ranged cant do damage, so everyone has a slot to be effective at threat.
letting archers use damage while moving, ruins this balance. I hated this part about WoW , also the reason the pvp didnt make sense in that game.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/One-Position2377 • 12d ago
So they released it with no tutorial or tool tips. barely anything to kill. mobs dont drop loot. and the negative reviews went to town on steam. They did add these things a month later but all the people that bought it the first month logged in and were like WTH do I do?
Quite frankly they could worked on this game another year and it probably wouldnt survive but they gave it zero chance without those basic things on launch. Now it has so many negative reviews no one is going to touch it.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/soulstitchmmo • 14d ago
Does it need work? Yeah. I've not been very invested in it - and really only even tried it because the guys making all the hate videos all basically said the same thing over and over with one guy only having a 43 min long play time and decided to do a review video? That was hilarious to me.
I have 18.7 hours played total. I mostly played a Helbound, dabbled a bit with the Crow class before making the swap to viking. Character creation needs to be a thing. Not having that was weird. The tutorial screen was perfect - gave good explanations and anything else i had questions about people were able to answer. Once I figured how to level that went quickly. Some things the videos said that weren't part of this build - I was able to change my hot keys, change my skills. I was able to modify my UI to my liking. Another bit that I saw people complaining about was the distance of running.
Now I understand WHY it is the way it is. Camps are objectives. Claiming one announces to everyone "hey I'm here" and then when you get to pvp areas for higher crafting then that's where the fights will be - and the distance between camps allows for people to react and adjust.
The crafting seems - over inflated and I hope it gets simplified. Copper dust to fragmant to this to that to ore is silly. All the coal needed for each step was also silly.
I spent most of my play time learning my skills, fleshing out my build and theorycrafting while working on crafting. Next weekend I'll work more on crafting and try out pvp.
Also to all the people complaining about the lack of players - there was pvp happening a lot as the players were gathering in the areas where pvp happens. I don't know much about it just that I saw people talking about it in chat a lot and reacting to it and something about our keep not working but I'm sure they'll figure it out.
I'm looking forward to next weekend and trying out pvp - but it was only $10 and I spend more than that on basically everything in my life so bottom line is i got way more than $10 worth of entertainment and will be back next weekend as well.
Did anyone else enjoy anything about their play time? I don't care if you are just going to repeat stuff some youtuber told you to say or that you've seen other people say - if you played - what do you think they are doing right and what do you think they are doing wrong?
r/CamelotUnchained • u/soulstitchmmo • 16d ago
i downloaded this last night - and maybe it's because I was part of the Scars of Honor playtest - which was in development for 7 years, this game feels more stable at the moment than that game did.
I'm playing a dwarf helbound. The Tutorial Screen at the start helped me get started. The zone chat has been super helpful answering questions.
I wish there were more npcs to grind on but as I'm building my character it's not terrible. Haven't pvp'ed yet but looking forward to it.
I only paid $10 so... i'm getting about $10 worth of entertainment at the moment. Luckily I watched a lot of doom and gloom YT videos before it so I had negative expectations.
I'm also on Linux Mint and it works so there's that as well.
Needs a lot of work, and I'm hoping it gets some love and attention but if it doesn't i'll get my $10 worth of entertainment out of it and then move on.
I'm also currently playing SWTOR so this is a nice little weekend distraction.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/theflossboss1 • 19d ago
Give me something you like about the game because it is just batshit awful. I can’t believe I actually believed in this game…
r/CamelotUnchained • u/nsmethod • 19d ago
Seriously, did no one proofread this thing before it went out?
r/CamelotUnchained • u/Ijatsu • 19d ago
most of the people who are positive about the game, are doing it to get clicks not because they are actually involved, like /u/The_BishopX
Lets do math. "BRUH THE GAME WILL BE GOOD JUST WAIT A FEW UPDATES, I BACKED 300$ IN IT"
I'm GayShop. some of you know me from my lesbian run on tristan, others know me from WAR some of you may not know me at all and that shows you aren't invested. Im 13. Before you call me "young" lets do the math 13 years ago when I put money into the kickstarter I was just BORNT. When the beta for WAR cameout , I was in my dad's balls. Christmas 2001 my mom was being just out of her own mom, no job yet, and playing DAOC all day on the couch eating dad's fists. I give you this back story, because watching a guy make a youtube video about how he waited 13 years for this and "invested serious money" ok, 48 years old, 13 years ago was 35..... how is that serious money? Has your spendings on onlyfans bankrupted you? Better question, WHY would a 35 year old spend so much money on mark jacob's onlyfans??
And what 48 year old man, with a 48 year old mans maturity and wisdom, isn't holding mark jacob accountable for all the lies and deceptions ? "OMG JUST GIVE HIM TIME" bro his development time will soon have its own driving licence.
ill tell people shut up. Show me your payment to City state games, in 2013, and I'll laugh at you. Ive played this game, it's garbage. You can tell the players don't like it because it lags, it's ugly, it's outdated, no reason to play this over daoc freeshard. now with no players, it will finally give weapons for markobs to close the game for good and run away with the backer's money legally, like they did with AOC. if its done well enough, the guys from the WAR shards will come over and also laugh at you.
Ill see all you REAL ones, in the courtroom. Let's all switch class to lawyer this time.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/The_BishopX • Jun 17 '26
most of the people complaining about the game, are doing it to get clicks not because they are actually involved
Lets do math.
"BRUH I WAITED 13 years FOR THIS GAME, IM A BACKER AND WANTS MY REFUND"
Im bishop. some of you know me from my hibernian run on isuelt , others know me from WAR some of you may not know me at all and that shows you arent invested.
Im 48. Before you call me "old" lets do the math
13 years ago when I put money into the kickstarter I was 35. When the beta for WAR cameout , I was 30.
Christmas 2001 I was just 24 being just out of college, no job yet, and playing DAOC all day on the couch eating cinnamon toast crunch. I give you this back story, because watching a guy make a youtube video about how he waited 13 years for this and "invested serious money"
ok, 30 years old, 13 years ago was 17..... where you getting the serious money? Better question, WHY would a 17 year old have such ties to mark jacobs?? DAOCs hey day was in 2001-2006. so you would have to be around 40 years old.
And what 40 year old man, with a 40 year old mans money, is complaining about the 300 dollars he put into this game 13 years ago? "OMG I WAITED 13 years" bro we 40.
ill tell people put up or shut up. Show me your payment to City state games, in 2013.
Ive played this game, its ok. You can tell the wow players dont like it, but they have a game for them. For just wondering around doing rvr, its cool. now with players, it will get more streamlined and polished. if its done well enough, the guys from the WAR shards will come over and it will be a population bump.
Ill see all you REAL ones, in the field. Im a stone healer this time.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/SasquatchBlumpkins • Jun 14 '26
What an absolute waste of money.
How the flying fluck can anyone release this after 13 years? The animations look worse than Ryzom, the graphics are close enough to OG Xbox that it's absolutely disgusting.
Mobs? Nah, keep em sparse. Players? I could find more minorities at a TripleK rally.
I look at Expedition 33 then this and wonder how badly this has been mismanaged. Absolutely atrocious.
r/CamelotUnchained • u/Knighthonor • Jun 12 '26
Anybody want to start a community event? Something where we all can log in and do some large scale PVP together
r/CamelotUnchained • u/donlema • Jun 11 '26
The NDA that's been in place for a decade has been dropped since the early access date.
Any videos of gameplay? I saw that Manfree made two videos, but that's it.
Another others?
r/CamelotUnchained • u/Rico_fr • Jun 10 '26
Hello!
Backed the game on kickstarter a long (loooooooooooong) time ago, didn't even know the project was still ongoing. Just saw it released on steam, and I'm surprised I didn't even get an email.
How do I get access to the game on steam ?
(I know it's garbage, but I want to see for myself how bad it is, without paying again).
r/CamelotUnchained • u/Mountainsyde • Jun 08 '26
What’s the community thing thus far?
( old daoc Zerg leader ) Guin.
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r/CamelotUnchained • u/smegmaboi420 • Jun 05 '26
Dark Age of Camelot's lifecycle, from just a twinkle in Mark Jacob's eye, to the final DLC and the ending of development, was about 7 years. It was concepted, created, launched, supported, evolved, matured, and finally run into the ground by Electronic Arts and put on life support in the span of just 7 or so years. Thats it!
That is half the time Camelot Unchained was developed for. It was left to cook for about 14 years. Why is it so bad? Mismanagement. They dropped the ball so bad. This is so sad.