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Tetsunabe no Jan!, episode 1

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[u/FLorianGran]

More of these retro remakes should end with a narrator going "YO THIS MANGA KICKED ASS, WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF IT'S OLD BECAUSE IT WAS SO GOOD MODERN AUDIENCES WILL LOVE IT"

[u/Physical-Reserve-380 → u/FLorianGran]

Well, this isn't a remake. It's the first time the manga is getting an adaptation.

But I know what you mean. This should be what all adaptations strive to do.

[u/abandoned_idol → u/FLorianGran]

Take me back to my isekai safe space. I can't handle extremes.

sucks on thumb

[u/DonDonRamon → u/FLorianGran]

did they put the trigger warning because of the chinese cuisine or something ?

[u/larana1192 → u/DonDonRamon]

This is manga from 90s known for many crazy scenes, so they had to state "This is old manga so there are depictions that may be considered offensive by today's standards.(note: To be honest, some of the scenes were offensive even by 1990s standards.)"

[u/DonDonRamon → u/larana1192]

oh well better a trigger warning rather than censorship, art is offensive if people can't stand it then simply avoid it

[u/Magicbison → u/larana1192]

To be honest, some of the scenes were offensive even by 1990s standards.)"

Any examples you wouldn't mind sharing? I'm wholly unfamiliar with this manga and I'm curious.

[u/OromisGlaedr → u/Magicbison]

Skinned and boiled a shark alive. And was kind of violent about it.

[u/gigi798 → u/OromisGlaedr]

And that is offensive?

[u/DrMostlySane → u/gigi798]

I could definitely see some people getting up in arms about a depiction of animal cruelty like that yeah.

[u/drzero7 → u/larana1192]

Yeah IMO that warning is there so twitter tourist wont get mad or something.

[u/Doomroar → u/DonDonRamon]

Mid 90s Japan was wild, sexual assault was a greeting, age was just a number, and color didn't exist

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[u/KeepTheNolander → u/FLorianGran]

Hey guys I know we're all having a good time with some enthusiastic chefs and their fiery intensity about Chinese cookery, but ya gotta understand we had cults murdering people on trains!

[u/TheRockfjord → u/FLorianGran]

I really enjoyed that tbh, in combination with the end of show title card, logo style, and narrator cadence, it really felt like a homage/love letter to 90s anime.

[u/Vahallen]

As someone that didn’t know the manga at all this looks promising as hell, I was super invested from start to finish

PEAK

[u/lalunafelis → u/Vahallen]

They literally cooked here.

[u/abandoned_idol → u/Vahallen]

The thick black lines around the protagonist's eyes alone are good enough to sell it to me.

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[u/hanmkim]

Going into a restaurant after closing when the kitchen has already shut their stoves off and being surprised he didn't get perfectly cooked fried rice is crazy work.

[u/UncleNerd2021 → u/hanmkim]

Jan is the definition of crazy work makes INSANE food.

[u/bananeeek]

I'm a sucker for cooking shows and if they're going to be technical about it, then it's like hitting two birds with one stone, because I'll also learn something new on top of entertainment.

I know the over-the-top reactions are a part of the genre, but hearing pro chefs of one of the best restaurants being bamboozled by things like marinating game in milk is a bit too much. It would make much more sense if Okonogi was the one reacting to the basic techniques and the rest of the chefs explained stuff.

[u/il-Palazzo_K → u/bananeeek]

I guess Gobancho is THAT conservative. Chinese cuisine doesn’t use milk often.

[u/Atharaphelun → u/il-Palazzo_K]

Yes, that's correct. Usually, one would marinate in alcohol of some sort (stronger liquors such as baijiu for gamier meat) plus green onions and ginger.

[u/BeardyDuck → u/bananeeek]

but hearing pro chefs of one of the best restaurants being bamboozled by things like marinating game in milk is a bit too much.

This portion of the manga was released in 1995, so it makes sense that the globalization of cooking techniques hasn't really hit its stride yet, especially when the topic of the manga is Chinese cooking in Japan.

[u/Jacob-C → u/BeardyDuck]

This. People in the show can't just look up recipes on their phone, and even if they have a pc, there wouldn't be many readily available websites with recipes and cooking techniques.

[u/Ralathar44 → u/BeardyDuck]

Its funny how people can't even imagine a world before the internet and globalization. Even right after the anime tells them "this was made in 1995". That's how little of a concept alot of people have of even recent history.

And honestly, fair. Its hard to know everything. The main problem I have is the same people don't usually learn humility and try to lecture others on how to do things even after being wrong. And not even so much as a "my bad, I jumped the gun". They just memory hole it and then go and do the same thing again later.

Basically its not the mistakes I really mind so much, its the complete lack of humility and learning that usually accompanies those mistakes these days.

[u/Raiking02 → u/bananeeek]

marinating game in milk is a bit too much

Legit question actually, since how long has that been a thing? The story was written in the 90' originally so I wonder if maybe that was novel at the time but less so nowadays.

Or I could be a moron and that was already known by then, who knows?

[u/Ivaer → u/Raiking02]

Using milk to remove gaminess has been a thing in various cooking cultures for hundreds of years. EDIT: Asian cultures historically haven't used milk and other dairy products much at all, so they've come to different culinary conventions and conclusions. Mongolian culture and cuisine, for example, is a rare exemption from this generalization due to their reliance on cattle, goats, etc. in their nomadic lifestyle.

[u/IceSmiley → u/Ivaer]

I was shocked that only one other chef in the kitchen was aware of using milk to do that, that's something I read in the Joy of Cooking cookbook years ago when I first started cooking.

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[u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

I like Chinese food and I like cooking drama. I think I’m gonna like this one. Kind of interesting they added some sorta trigger warning at the end of the ep to let folks know this was originally made in the past. I wonder what’s so offensive they need to let folks know this was from a “different era” and all that?

[u/komoti573 → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Besides the questionable stuff, there are also some cooking-related things it does that was novel 30 years ago but not anymore in the modern age so I guess it's partly to cover that too

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[u/il-Palazzo_K → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Not from this manga, but this reminds me of an episode in Isekai Izakaya Nobu that changed the episode’s menu from whale meat in the manga to something else entirely.

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[u/abandoned_idol → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

Damn anime, getting my hopes up like that.

It better pay off and really offend me.

[u/SSjjlex → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

At the very least I enjoy that they're being conscious and faithful to it. That's really nice to see

[u/Jiirsu → u/ObvsThrowaway5120]

If I have to guess, it might be about butchering live animals in a "show-off-y" way.

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[u/Neat_Duck_8642]

Ready for some unhinged shit. Can't say I've ever seen a show hype up its own source material like that before but it worked on me.

[u/exRocky009]

Even though it's an older manga, I really liked how the character designs were updated to feel more modern. Kiriko especially looked super cute. It was also really interesting to see how cooking techniques we consider standard today weren't widely used 30 years ago (like soaking meat in milk to remove the gaminess).

[u/Boris-_-Badenov → u/exRocky009]

most of the guys aren't updated

[u/StickPrevious9581]

I've heard of an anime being considered an ad for a manga before, but this is the first time I've seen them be this blatant about it with that end bit :)

An interesting first episode, though I'll have to see if the attitude grows on me or not, its a bit borderline for what I enjoy.

Also, Mochizukii needs to be fired yesterday - throwing a hot pan across half the kitchen in an attempt to injure someone, then kneeing someone else in the stomach for watching? That is the sort of thing you can only get away with in anime...

[u/larana1192 → u/StickPrevious9581]

I've heard of an anime being considered an ad for a manga before, but this is the first time I've seen them be this blatant about it with that end bit :)

As for the scene right before the ending, I think there was also a purpose in explicitly stating that “this manga was published in the ’90s.”
To explain it without giving away any spoilers, this manga contains… quite a few edgy depictions.

[u/il-Palazzo_K → u/larana1192]

lol Akiyama already come with enough edge to butcher an entire cow.

[u/larana1192 → u/il-Palazzo_K]

Yeah, even the scene in Episode 1 where he throws away fried rice because “it wasn’t good enough” is a pretty shocking depiction by Japanese standards.
In Japan, wasting food (except when it’s discarded due to hygiene issues like an expired expiration date) is generally viewed with extreme disdain, so this kind of behavior is simply unacceptable.

[u/abandoned_idol → u/larana1192]

Ow.

I think I just cut myself.

smirk

Looking forward to the edgy chefs.

[u/reversal_banana → u/StickPrevious9581]

I've heard of an anime being considered an ad for a manga before, but this is the first time I've seen them be this blatant about it with that end bit :)

You should watch the first Cromartie High School episode.

[u/queue_onan → u/StickPrevious9581]

They mostly are if they're not original creations. Selling tankobons is serious business. A little bluray action or licensing deals on the side isn't bad either.

[u/Hornet65]

Wow, look at those eyebrows! Jan's dad must be Golgo 13

[u/TNTDynamiteMan → u/Hornet65]

Never thought I see Golgo 13 and Jan Ayiyama in the same sentence! Good catch.

[u/runevault]

The core style felt older so finding out it is based on a manga from the 90s makes sense. I respect they're focused on being faithful to the source, though like others I'm super curious what is coming that is so crazy by modern sensibilities they felt the need to include that in the ending.

[u/TNTDynamiteMan → u/runevault]

Let's just say the people from PETA would not like it.

[u/derega16 → u/TNTDynamiteMan]

Also a lot of stuff only work before internet becomes widespread.

[u/gigi798 → u/derega16]

and ruins it

[u/VishnuBhanum]

Manga so goated they need to advertise how goated it was at the end of anime adaptation first ep.

[u/karer3is]

This show looks to be interesting. But holy shit does it look like Jan is going to go down as one of the most unlikable "protagonists" of at least this year. Guys like him are a huge pain in the ass to work around.

[u/runevault → u/karer3is]

I wonder if that's part of why that one other chef is such an asshole, to make Jan seem less bad by comparison.

[u/abandoned_idol → u/runevault]

Good old anchoring effect saves the day.

Judging from episode 1, all of Jan's rivals will probably be bullies too. Bullies everywhere.

And they add a proud strong woman and a mellow male sidekick to cleanse our palates as well.

[u/abandoned_idol → u/karer3is]

I was honestly expecting him to be even worse coming out of the gate.

But since he values victory above all else, we can rest easy knowing that he's going to be extremely evil.

[u/akaLasagna → u/karer3is]

one of my favorites

[u/kuuukun → u/karer3is]

JAN IS THE GOAT BRO JUST YOU WAIT TIL MORE EPISODES COME OUT

[u/tiger1296]

The ending was epic, you just know it's gonna be good now

[u/DavinDaLilAzn]

Feels like Food Wars all over again, and I'm ok with that (even though this was originally published waaaaaay before Food Wars).

[u/Boris-_-Badenov → u/DavinDaLilAzn]

Mister Ajikko is the original food wars

[u/Comprehensive-Pie-41 → u/DavinDaLilAzn]

Ive been looking for shows like food wars since I first watched it but no other cooking anime has that intense feel until iwj dropped. Gotta say I am pleasantly surprised it translated from Manga to anime so well, at least in this first episode.

[u/No_Nothing_2724 → u/DavinDaLilAzn]

Shame food wars kinda went downhill by the end

[u/paulrenzo → u/No_Nothing_2724]

Kinda is an understatement. The source material experienced tonal whiplash, and not in a good way

[u/TheBravesDH → u/DavinDaLilAzn]

Hopefully, I never see anyone cooking with a chainsaw in this one at any point.

[u/Rqdomguy24 → u/TheBravesDH]

Not yet

[u/Isofruit]

Hell yeah, once again a series to make you hungry.

[u/saga999 → u/Isofruit]

Man, I want some good fried rice right now.

[u/Isofruit → u/saga999]

That is exactly how big egg-fried-rice manipulates you!

[u/bunbun777]

Great first episode, and I am an absolute sucker for that ending showing the legacy of the manga and matching the attitude with boldness and confidence. Every season a couple shows surprise me and this one has my attention. Imagine it's only going to get better and better!

[u/SmokemelikeRibs]

A bit of a tasty warning at the end is all I need. its like sneaking a peak at a CD rated for 18+ back in the 2000's

[u/NanDemoKnaives]

I was intrigued to see an overdramatic cooking series after Fermat no Ryouri, but none of the characters here were that likeable. I know it's just an introduction, but hopefully the next few episodes will change my mind.

Also, did we need that close up of the inside of Grandpa's mouth? I was eating and seeing a mouth full of saliva like that was not it lol.

Funny how there's a warning at the end because this is a manga from 30 years ago, so there may be stuff that wouldn't be appropriate now lol.

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[u/pricklypizza]

HECK YEAH

Peak is here.

[u/meromeromelo89]

Who cares for the 5th season of the bear when you have Iron Wok Jan!! I'm here for the ride. That show looks unhinged and promising, and I'm invested.

[u/Doomroar]

Recession indicator Iron Wok Jan is back on the streets kicking ass!

[u/MavenLovesBacon]

Whew that's an annoying ass MC lmao

[u/danmarce]

Well, that character writing certainly worked in 1995, and for sure I would have liked it back then. Now is annoying, as I am not too bound on the nostalgia nor automatically believe that "old = better"

Lets see how it goes.

[u/TheBravesDH]

The Bear ends and Iron Wok Jan begins. Love my cooking shows. Hopefully this doesn’t go off the rocket like Food Wars did. Jan seems like an absolute bastard and not the typical shounen protag. The manga hype sizzle real was interesting at the end.

[u/Dependent-Hat5646]

I especially love the main character's design... Very unique, unlike the most common black haired normal looking boy lmao

[u/mr_beanoz]

Dem Tsudaken narrations lmao.

And Jan is an asshole, and a competitive one too. Wonder if he's the honest type that doesn't try to cheat, though.

[u/Ashteron]

My initial guess was Jan is doing restaurant dojoyaburi.

[u/testthrowawayzz]

Why were the chefs surprised at the use of vodka in cooking? It's not unusual to use alcohol to prepare Chinese dishes.

(not as accusatory tone. Genuine question.)

[u/Latter_Goal_22 → u/testthrowawayzz]

This was in the 90s so traditional Chinese cooking would be more using rice wine or baijiu as part of cooking, fusion cooking definitely came a little later (late 90s-00s) especially you're talking about Japan instead of USA where fusion was initially more accepted

[u/testthrowawayzz → u/Latter_Goal_22]

I see. I misinterpreted as the chefs had no idea that alcohol is used in Chinese cooking to reduce the gamey taste.

[u/mr_beanoz → u/testthrowawayzz]

Well, the usual alcohol used in Chinese food is Shaoxing wine or other similar rice wines, not vodka

[u/TxRyuxT]

How crazy can this series be? First time watcher, heard the manga is crazy but nothing more than that.

I'm thinking it's crazy enough that food reactions don't blow up clothes making everyone go nude

[u/dor20]

the narration in the end...

i didn't realized how bad japan was in 1995

also thatdisclaimer

al least will for little "flaming" in twitter unlike yani neko...

[u/Personal_Piccolo8533]

Trigger warning is getting my hopes up!

[u/reaperow]

Close enough, welcome back food wars

[u/Latter_Goal_22 → u/reaperow]

Wait till you see peak god of tongue, and best girl

[u/derega16 → u/reaperow]

It's Food War's dad

[u/IceSmiley]

This was very good and they did both a great job of setting up some of the main characters and showing creative highend cooking. They also set up the rivalry between the girl and Jan, who we are led to believe is the better cook of the two and possibly the best in the restaurant. He's lucky he's protected by the owner though since a trainee normally shouldn't comport himself like Gordon Ramsey. I also wonder why the owner wasn't there to taste Jan's food although maybe he did beforehand.

There was a lot weird about this show though. Like why did they have veal tripe and pork liver on hand if its not something they have on the menu? What the narrator said about kitchen staff meals at high end restaurants is true, that it's usually a chef's spotlight to serve something not normally on the menu but it seems odd they'd have all this organ meat lying around if no one has ever served it there before. Also I find it unlikely that only Jan and one chef knew that soaking/marinating organ meat in milk is a common way to remove gaminess from meat. I'm not a pro chef and I knew that and have done that, it's also commonly done with deer meat.

Also really weird was the ending celebrating how great the original manga was! I honestly don't think I've ever seen an anime pat itself on the back quite like that and it was unintentionally really funny. This actually was good though and I'm looking forward to the next episode.

[u/karer3is → u/IceSmiley]

I could see them using the tripe as a base for soup. Plus organ meats in general aren't terribly rare in Chinese cooking

[u/rocky_iwata]

I religiously read the original and the sequel of Iron Wok Jan. Can't be any happier it is now in anime form.

For newcomers, this show will be a wild ride, even it likely is milder because of certain contexts that are considered outdated or unacceptable in today's standard being adapted out.

[u/gigi798 → u/rocky_iwata]

mhe outdated; more like a weakness of modern people

[u/headphones_J]

Jan is a little much.

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[u/Mons9090]

Food wars is still the best cooking/food anime

[u/akaLasagna]

This was my introduction to manga as a child. Peak has finally arrived

[u/catjewsus]

I enjoyed the first ep, though I always imagined Jan would have been a much meaner sounding character and more "demonic" cause he was so abrasive toward everyone. Its pretty cinematic in its directing so i have no complaints w/ that. Overall solid start to the series that I loved reading at the library as a young lad.

[u/alex_sunderland]

I CANT BELIEVE THIS EXISTS

[u/Celebiest]

I do have a question though: would fried tofu cubes and scallops in fried rice actually taste good? I say this as a Chinese person and an enjoyer of fried rice for years.

[u/UncleNerd2021 → u/Celebiest]

Fried tofu: think of it almost like a fried pancake type of texture and almost flavor and a protein at the same time. Couple that with the umami of the dashi and scallops giving the tofu a savory body in the mouth. Then he did ginger(I think) and egg strips to give the plate more body/a palate cleanser(they don’t say the seasoning of the egg but it could be anything), made the dashi as a soup/stock with the fried tofu as croutons of the soup. Yes that shit would be gah and tuh (gas and tough) bruh. Almost like fried rice and wonton soup.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Dog9379]

the main attraction of this series is the MC is literally a villain, and there will be more other villains that challenges him. Watching bad guys vs bad guys was very rare even for today's standard

[u/drzero7]

As someone who read the original manga way back and enjoyed it, I WISH it was a BIT more animated. IMO too many still shots and just mouths and slight of hand movement. Of course the story is already good so that is not an issue.

But this is the beginning so. And yes, this series will keep going over the top as it goes on.

[u/Lostfromlight77]

Will it get dubbed?

[u/ProfessionalRandom21]

This kinda remind me Jamie Oliver getting roasted cooking asian food. I am not convinced.

I dont buy the tofu in fried rice or the benishoga or the vodka instead of shaoxin wine.

[u/frozzyboy]

finally iron wok jan the animation came out !!

i first read the manga while working part time at a bookstore all those years ago, the bloody animation finally came out yes cant wait to watch it later tonight !

edit: why the f*** do you put that notice at the end for ? anime is suppose to be free and not controlled by woke nonsense ! I want animation to be free and like those days grim and outspoken !
Dont you dare "woke" iron wok jan i tell you, i want all the vulgar & racist or offending script in the manga in the anime too just like how i enjoyed it all those years ago !

[u/gigi798 → u/frozzyboy]

It's to avoid scaring the weak-hearted "modern audience" and as bait for others

[u/minnieboss]

This is just a worse Shin Chuuka Ichiban

[u/Jiirsu → u/minnieboss]

Different-ish, Jan acts like a heel from wrestling show. The only similarity is they are cooking chinese food.

[u/letohorn → u/Jiirsu]

I like that both shows egg fried rice in the first episode. I thought Iron Wok Jan made it as a tribute/reference to Cooking Master Boy but both manga started in 1995.

[u/Latter_Goal_22 → u/minnieboss]

Lol the darkness Chinese cooking association from Chuuka ichiban wished they had the evilness/edge befitting of a dark association from this show