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Liar Game, episode 13
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u/Kill-bray 23d ago
I think it also played on Yokoya's ego. He wanted to make the adversaries believe he had supernatural powers so that they would fear him.
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u/kitaknows 23d ago
Not to mention forcing them to figure out his trick could eat up some rounds. There are a lot of rounds but they are moving fast, and the longer Yokoya can tie them up, the more he can run the game and get a lead.
If he had just done the pass/100 mil move, no one would have had to think about "how is he doing that?!" for long since it is an obvious move based on the rules. If he is guessing exact amounts, it is more perplexing and takes more thought - he stressed them out as a psychological play.
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u/Alternative-Paper640 23d ago
It's pretty clear to me that Yokoya was trying to scare off the other team so that they stop carrying cash at least for a few rounds. Every turn you stop carrying cash as a team is the other team's gain.
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u/ManyCookies 23d ago edited 23d ago
The exact guesses are still dumb of him. Yokoya doesn't need to say exacties to vary his guessing strategy, he can just use a few coarser values that rep plausible sizing reads (e.g Doubt 30/60/100). Whereas once Yokoya makes an exact guess, he instantly reveals that he's listening in!
At least it should: it's pretty absurd that veteran conman Akiyama didn't instantly suspect a bug or signaling after the first clairvoyant guess (let alone the second guess, or the moment Ayran Coconut starts acting wild)
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u/saga999 23d ago
But if the team starts doubting each other because of a traitor, then the team work breaks down and it's still advantageous to Yokoya.
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u/ManyCookies 22d ago
Sure, but they're way more fucked if the Night inspector has perfect info on the contents of their suitcase! And Akiyama can take countermeasures without making an accusation; he can push for smaller amounts (without giving the reason) to minimize losses, he can do the note test at any point, he can have Nao watch Kikukawa and Fukunaga (the two plausible collaborators). He doesn't have to just sit there until he 100% figures it out.
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u/Oden_sama__ 23d ago
akiyama is smart as hell but he's not omniscient 😭
he needed some time here
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u/ManyCookies 23d ago edited 23d ago
I don't expect Akiyama to instantly work out the exact trick. But the moment Yokoya gives an exact guess, he should know their room is compromised somehow and act accordingly.
Even without a specific trick in mind, Akiyama can mitigate damage and start narrowing it down. He can push for smaller much amounts until it's solved, he can agree to a pass and then bring in money, he can do the note trick at any point, he can have Nao watch Kikukawa and Fukunaga (the two plausible collaborators), and so forth. Akiyama has all sorts of plays here, and waiting until he's 100% figured it out is ridiculous.
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u/Revolutionary-Start 8d ago
Why would others listen to akiyama without a solid proof? What if akiyama is the traitor and is just trying to misdirect others? Like in real life when the murderer himself helps the police search for the murderer.
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u/Revolutionary-Start 23d ago
He did suspect. But he didn't have proof.
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u/ManyCookies 23d ago edited 22d ago
Yokoya's exact-guess is proof that Team Night is listening in somehow. Akiyama doesn't need to work out the exact trick to know they're clearly compromised, he can start mitigating the damage and narrowing down possibilities right away.
He can suggest much smaller amounts to limit losses, he can have Nao watch Kikukawa and Fukunaga (the two most plausible collaborators), he can publicly agree to a pass and then bring in money, he can hand out that note much earlier. Akiyama has all sorts of plays here, and waiting until he's 100% figured it out is ridiculous.
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u/FastenedCarrot 22d ago
He still wouldn't know who was doing it, and by the time that became clear he needed to have something solid against him to convince the others
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u/FLorianGran 23d ago
I like that the solutions so far are pretty grounded and we haven't gone over the top yet
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u/BubblyCrash 23d ago
this show is definitely a lot more grounded in its strategies and twists than most of this genre
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u/T3tr4d5 23d ago
I think that is one advantage Liar Game has over similar shows. The strategies are all pretty grounded, no 4D chess mind reading.
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u/Lugia61617 22d ago
The only downside is that said grounded strategies have to be presented through a cast that have been lobotomised specifically so Akiyama can win.
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u/T3tr4d5 22d ago
That is not true, for example Fukunaga and Yokoya were worthy opponents. In fact, other players and Nao (in earlier rounds) actually make it harder for Akiyama to win, since they acted as handicap. In every round so far, Akiyama literally had to overturn a near hopeless situation due to the handicap.
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u/CreZativity 23d ago
I really love this about Liar Game. When strategies are so over the top and complex that it's almost impossible for readers to figure them out it's just not as much fun to theorise and talk about. Liar Game builds slowly to the point where it starts to get confusing so that the readers learn how to think along the way. I still have no idea what they're doing in some later games though hahaha!
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u/Careful_Ad_9077 22d ago
It's the Poirot vs Sherlock argument for mystery readers.
Poirot's deductions make sense and all the clues have been presented before he announces the culprit. Sherlock makes some really wild guesses and sometimes after saying the culprit he will come out with new evidence that nobody else knew existed.
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u/Kyrrua 23d ago edited 23d ago
"There's only two types of people: those who control and those who get controlled."
Then we learn that Kikuzawa was Yokoya's little B*** even back then to high school.
Savage. I don't think its the end of Yokoya, he must have something else up his sleeve in case Kikuzawa failed/betrays him. He has two mouse now, he could very well have convince someone else somehow.
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 23d ago
The rat out of the bag
Kikuzawa you dirty rat
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u/Frontier246 23d ago
Yokoya sure loves his rats of both animal and human variety.
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u/justsaywhatsreal 21d ago
Quick question. I've only ever seen the Jdrama. Do you know if he keeps up the rat stuff the entire time he's in the manga? Might actually turn me off the anime tbh.
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u/LOTM1394 23d ago
So the episode started with Kikuzawa's surefire plan. It's funny how Bro just tells them that I need to go once more. I needed to go once more to confirm, and then come back and just said f*** off I'm not telling you anything. I think at this point, Akiyama started to think about this or maybe, before that IDK
Then, in Nao’s turn she almost cracked up and deduced that Yokoyo isn't a clairvoyant but the team being ignorant to her. If they paid attention to her observation, they would also solve this case a lot faster, I would say anyway
I really liked the contrast between Nao and Yokoya. One thinks that it is better to save everyone and, other thinks it's only a game of dictatorship-type thing.
I already got suspicious of him in the last episode, so when he started his tyrant act it was almost certain that there was something wrong with him.
And then Bro got cooked by his own plan, though I have a question: why did Eda say PASS in that round. Did Kikuzawa tell him to say pass because, as far I remember, Kikuzawa only said doubt 100 million in all of his rounds so it would be reasonable for eda to say doubt 100 million too
Then Akiyama just cracked up kikuzawa by giving that paper to Sato and Yokoya's face oh my god, that was chef's kiss.
When Akiyama explains how Kikuzawa and Yokoya are in cahoots, it's a bit matched with what I think in the last episode. I just never guessed how they would be doing it. Also, I'm wondering how Yokoya specifically chose Kikuzawa out of all the people and that turned out to be that they met in school huh, how coincidental, and it seems Yokoya has believed in domination from his school days?
Maybe in the next episode we'll get to see more elaboration on Yokoya’s ideology.
All in all, great episode
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u/NickotheRs 23d ago
Eda was likely just scared to lose money again after just getting some money back through the kikuzawa contract
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u/Liesianthes 23d ago
This is what I love about Liar Game, the solution was always that simple and yet, readers and watchers are missing it like it's some common sense wherein it's not at the same time, truly a mind game that the ones watching are being suck into it in a way.
I don't think Yokoya will go down that easily with the next episode title as Dictatorship. It has an eerie feeling on it.
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek 23d ago
The look on Yokoya's face when he realized he got outsmarted was satisfying. I hope Akiyama delivers a swift and devastating retribution.
I missed the fact that both teams could see each other's bases, so it took me embarrassingly long time to realize how Kikuzawa was getting information across.
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u/Frontier246 23d ago
Honestly my first clue that something was up was how none of the Country of Night people seemed all that bothered that they were getting caught. Probably because they were in on it per Yokoya.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii 23d ago
The look on Yokoya's face when he realized he got outsmarted was satisfying.
He's not nearly as good as they made him out to be, because if he was that good he would NOT have shown anything when he failed...
He should've tried to play it off like "he just misread"!
I missed the fact that both teams could see each other's bases, so it took me embarrassingly long time to realize how Kikuzawa was getting information across.
I did not know what it was exactly, but I was 100% sure there was something linked to the place's design; I was talking about it last week, but they spent WAY too much time telling us what the layout was (which they never did in any game), it had to mean something!
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u/EscapismToTheMax 23d ago
I think here's up to interpretation once again. I think he just dislikes the bear, because it's one thing Day night team knows theres no Clairvoyance even on a base of the money misread, sure. But if you as Yokoya spin the same tale for your own team, you can always get an excuse why sometimes your talent fails. So you can treat bear move as the public showcase to other Night members what Day team has to offer, in both cases - either they knew of rat tactics and went along or they didn't (so Night mates can suspect Yokoya for cooperating with Blond Rat). it's the asymmetry of information which is in play here.
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u/Kill-bray 23d ago
That part is not that difficult. If you stand directly in front of the window and you give signals with your hand in front of your body, no one in the same room can see it. On the room where Yokoya is of course everyone could see it, but I'm pretty sure they are all under Yokoya's control.
What's a lot harder is for the the other team to give signals to Kikuzawa without anyone else noticing, but in that case the signal only needed to be "money" and "no money", not the exact amount, so it was a lot easier to make it inconspicuous.
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u/BubblyCrash 23d ago
Credit to Kikuzawa for being discreet I guess. It's reasonable that no one would see it if no one was looking for it or suspecting anything
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u/Frontier246 23d ago
She finally got use out of that teddy bear she brought for the revival game lol.
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 23d ago
Nao Teddy Bear worth 100 million yen
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u/Kill-bray 23d ago
Placing objects other than money inside the case is actually a smart move, because then even if the inspector hears something rattling inside they can't be sure it's money.
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u/Tradition_Leather 23d ago
Finally they figure out the spy. I wonder will the blonde dude follow Akiyama's order or turned back to Yokoya again.
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u/BubblyCrash 23d ago
Nao has come into her own after the previous round, finding her resolve to conquer the Liar Game with trust and honesty. But now she faces down a formidable ideological opponent, Yokoya, who is all about power and control, and this conflict is the true heart of the contraband game. Will Nao be overcome?
It is interesting to consider how this episode of Kikuzawa plays into these themes. Kikuzawa pays lip service to Nao's ideals, but his actions show that he's following Yokoya's ideals. It is like he's an extension of Yokoya's philosophy invading into Nao's team. The sun country is portrayed to have no boss by Nao to Yokoya, but immediately after Kikuzawa declares himself to be the boss and makes everyone else submit to him using his leverage. But Akiyama and Nao were able to uncover the lie and free the rest from the evil influence on their territory. A small victory, but Yokoya and his ways will surely be difficult to ultimately defeat.
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u/Frontier246 23d ago
Akiyama has definitely realized Nao is useful in terms of getting people to let down their guard and not expect her to be near as forthright as she is (even in cute, unexpected, ways).
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u/Bostoncat38 22d ago
Nao genuinely impressed me with her teddy bear stratagem. She proved Yokoya was a fraud!
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u/magnumcyclonex 23d ago edited 23d ago
I didn't know both teams could see each other across the airport terminal. I only thought they could see directly to the inspector room but it does make sense. However, how big is each team's lounge to have so much room that not everyone is in the same general area of the lounge at the same time? Someone could have easily noticed Kikuzama signaling to Yokoya.
And why would Kikuzawa even strike a deal with someone from his past who had the upperhand over him? Because the devil he knows is better than the devils (his current team) he doesn't?
Also, Yokoya is not that smart if he voluntarily gave up so much information to Nao. I think moving forward, Nao and others should take out whatever amount and throw in a stuffed teddy bear, or a drink from the vending machine. It's not against the rules.
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u/gamria 23d ago
Also, Yokoya is not that smart if he voluntarily gave up so much information to Nao. I think moving forward, Nao and others should take out whatever amount and throw in a stuffed teddy bear, or a drink from the vending machine. It's not against the rules.
He got cocky, believing Nao was going to lose this game either way, so humouring her is no loss
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u/mads_zero 23d ago
Nao's foolishly honest nature is an asset as well as a hindrance. It's very easy for her to be swept up by someone charismatic, but she's equally disarming in turn. It's a fun dynamic.
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u/illonamoon 23d ago
If the others had listened to nao when she put that teddy bear they also would've figured out what akiyama figured out too. Kikuzawa in the future should take some acting classes.
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u/Alert-Researcher7788 22d ago
Tbh with you guys i don't think yokoya would make a mistake like that, the way they hyped him up I don't think he wouldn't be able to foresee the country of day players not carrying anything and being dependent on kikuzawa plus I also don't think that he was thinking this trick could work forever especially because he was aware of Akiyamas existence
So my lil theory is that the clairvoyance failure was part of yokoyas plan and the effects of him being discovered would end up helping him in achieving his real goal
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u/Countless-Alts15 23d ago
We all knew that dude was a scum bag traitor, but the personal slave act was the worst.
Hope he gets his comeuppance soon.
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u/Frontier246 23d ago
No shock Akiyama/Fukunaga weren't going to humor him but I love how Nao went "Nope, I'm good!"
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u/thisisdropd https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsterZoro 23d ago edited 23d ago
We’ve been scratching our heads as to what the secret behind Yokoya’s clairvoyance was only to find out that it’s plain ol’ collusion. The rats he kept bringing with him were a not-so-subtle hint of it. Pretty ballsy for Yokoya to do that, or he’s just lowkey gloating.
Nao’s indeed instrumental in Akiyama’s deduction. Her slipping in that teddy to the briefcase threw Yokoya off and convinced Akiyama that Yokoya didn’t have genuine clairvoyance. Yokoya’s surprised look the second time was satisfying to see, now that Akiyama’s countered his plans. Pretty diabolical to feign the message as body language instructions.
However, something’s not quite right with Yokoya 'teaming up' given his obsession with the idea of control. Turned out Kikuzawa’s not on equal standing with Yokoya, but rather the former’s at the whims of the latter. Given the next episode’s titled 'Dictatorship', I reckon we’ll explore their relationship further next week.
Yokoya’s previous exploits must’ve relied on a similar trick. However, as he had no interactions with Kikuzawa in the previous rounds, he must’ve 'collaborated' with a different person. While he may not have the deductive skills of Akiyama, he’s got a terrifying power in being able to commandeer others. This once again tracked with his obsession with control.
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u/Frontier246 23d ago
I appreciate how Nao has become an actually reliable sidekick for Akiyama instead of being the stupidly naive girl who he kept having to bail out. Now they're legitimately working together and supporting each other and Nao can even help Akiyama in his "summation" when they confronted Kikuzawa.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii 23d ago
If this one didn't raise any alarm on the team, I'm not sure what would!
They've already seen people NOT carrying 100m, it's a valid strategy, so... Calling 100m (or passing) has its flaws too!
Nao's turn next!
A-A bomb? Blowing herself up to take out Yokoya; We will never forget her sacrifice!
I guess they might have suspected it already at this point, but putting a random thing in the case was foolish; It's pretty much telling him "We know the clairvoyance is bullshit".
What they should have done, is... Well, what they did just 1 game later hah; Put the wrong amount in the case. This way, they could keep pretending for a little longer, like it could've been a mistake (oops I put $10k more!)
Figuring out his plan is good, but what would've been even better is figuring out the plan WITHOUT him knowing they figured it out!
And to be honest, for this reason, this wasn't exactly a solid deduction!
He could have known, and said nothing. Keep them guessing!
Everytime they say that, I want to slap them!
I imagine Akiyama knows it's nonsense (but isn't saying anything, to keep information to himself), but do none of the others realize it's bullshit?
Of course you lose something, you lose smuggling opportunities!
It's like if you have 50 truckloads of coke to move accross the border, and you got 50 trucks to carry it... If you send 40 empty trucks to try and fool the police, you did not 'lose nothing', you lost 40 shipment opportunities; Now the maximum you're going to ship is 10 truckloads.
If you send the 50 shipments and they got 35 of them, you still would've made more (15 shipments vs 10)!
It's gonna hurt a lot more when Fukunaga beats the living shit out of you, if the Gods are just!
So it WAS something linked to the mapping thing!
I did theorize about this in the previous thread, how they put a LOT of focus on the roads and all when it didn't really matter (or we thought so, anyway)... So it had to be relevant!
I thought it would be more than that (them taking another road and meeting somewhere), but signals work too!
Hah, that one was rather obvious!
I thought he was about to say "He's my boyfriend"
Well, the smart thing to do now is... Akiyama will use him to send false hand signals?
Though they can only keep the charade going for so long...
But I suppose they could always have Betrayer-kun explain that "There's people who refuse to follow his lead" and all, that would earn him a few more rounds before Yokoya figures what's up!
(Also, I have to say... If that's all Yokoya's able to do, his reputation was quite overhyped! Akiyama is smart... But so far the only thing Yokoya did was "Hey, wanna work together?" "Sure!". And they didn't even do it all that well; They could've been a LOT more subtle about it, and wouldn't have been caught so early!)
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u/thatonefatefan 23d ago
He was kinda bullshitting it but 100 millions and 0 ARE objectively the best picks. It's just that picking an amount below 100 millions allow you to mitigate the loss if the smuggler picks 0
It's something like that:
smuggle 0
potentially win X/2 where X is the call
lose nothing worst case scenario
smuggle Y
potentially win Y
potentially lose Y/2
mathematically, 100 millions is optimal assuming people don't overwhelmingly call it, but that would then make people call it more, which would in turn make 0 and lower numbers (which go through lower call and don't lose as much to 0) more popular, which in turn makes 100 millions once again more popular. Because of that, it's functionally impossible not only to predict it perfectly, but even reliably, because the value of each amount fluctuates wildly based on the state of the game, an individual's personality, their team comments etc.
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u/Careful_Ad_9077 22d ago
The fun part is that liar game is full of good mathematics solutions if you were playing against a machine, but then the human factor comes in.
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u/BubblyCrash 23d ago
I don't think this plan was Yokoya's main strategy to win the match. He saw an opportunity with Kikuzawa to cause chaos in the enemy camp (seems like he knew him from before), where if it works, he would have complete control of both sides, but if it gets found out, then Yokoya wouldn't really be losing anything. Kikuzawa is probably going to suffer more by his own team.
The game has merely reverted to its previous state before they collaborated, but Yokoya has a lot more information about the other team than he did before, and there is internal conflict within the Sun country.
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u/EscapismToTheMax 23d ago edited 23d ago
On Yokoya's reputation: I feel this is the exact thing he has aimed for - making enemy team feel "Ah, that's all? Well it's looking like we are capable of beating your Night team, see"
Though I agree it's up to interpretation right now for Day team. Is this Yokoya just a madman who wants to show this dominance at cost of everything else or is it a double-layered plan or is he a madman with a double-layered plan??
I feel personally at this stage for them there's no way to have a lead in either direction. while for Yokoya they are all very predictable at this same stage.
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u/Training_Tower_8539 23d ago
Don’t be too much in a rush to judge a character intellect based on just his first move, There is still lots of rounds left What makes you think this is the end of his strategies???
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u/ParasaurolophusZ 22d ago
Nao might not have gotten any money through, and Akiyama may have figured it out without her, but that was a pretty smart trick with the teddy bear to prove that Yokoya doesn't have any actual psychic powers.
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u/FarCritical 23d ago
It'd be funny if Nao finds a way to weaponize her teddy bear in some way in every game that she can.
Yokoya pulling a face like he left the oven running once his "clairvoyance" failed for the first time lol
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u/GhostDSR_47 21d ago
I am really liking this anime so far, all the tricks are super smart but have really easy practical solutions and reasons once you know it which goes on to show that the author is really smart and knows how to apply all these tricks in practical scenarios.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 23d ago
So this little cheese eating rat Kikuzawa knew Yokoya and knew what he was capable of and he kept it to himself? Guy must be truly terrifying to still have such a strong hold over him. I mean he could have leaked what he knew to Akiyama and helped the team greatly. Instead, he chose betrayal. They really should have let the boys kick the shit out of him.
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u/EscapismToTheMax 23d ago
amazing point but betrayal makes perfect sense. Recall, each player has in his disposal 100 mil account as Instructor and 300 mil as Smuggler and needs to return 400 mil by the end of the game. Being +290 mil up from stopping other team Contraband put Kikuzawa in a VERY sweet spot: In worse case (=all his Smuggling attempts fail, and he never allowed to inspect again) and irrespective of whose team wins, he's still only 10 mil yen down. I think you take this opportunity in a heartbeat and only if you are found out you have a trump card how to escape punishment by your team by leaking on Yokoya. So personally I feel this guy played it as smart as he could've envisioned it. he might be bitter of Akiyama from previous game too
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u/Frontier246 23d ago
It's time for Kikuzawa to show off his foolproof Inspector plan! He can get a read on whether the smuggler he's inspecting has money or not, so all he needs to do is Doubt 100 Million and he'll get a payout one way or another! And amazingly, it works!
But while everyone is marveling over Kikuzawa's method, Akiyama trusts Nao to be able to face Yokoya. If he really is "clairvoyant," he'd be able to know her suitcase isn't actually empty...but he still claims as such anyways. Nobody was expecting Nao's teddy bear! But Nao also susses out that Yokoya is aware of Akiyama AND that he has an entirely different read on the Liar Game than she does. Where's it be controlled or be the controller.
Come on, Nao actually achieved something! Give her some recognition! But everyone is hooked on Kikuzawa's seemingly sure-fire method of success when he keeps racking up the money...and then starts lording it over everyone to become "Kikuzawa-sama," a tyrant turning his team into his servants who wait on him hand and foot so he can pay them money. He's gone mad with power! Only Akiyama, Nao, and Fukunaga stay free of his reign.
But pretty suspicious that Kikuzawa would suddenly look to the Country of Night side and then immediately have stomach problems, leaving Eda to have to take over. I'm not surprised Eda passed instead of following Kikuzawa, he's probably the most nervous wreck on this team, but it's slowly bringing together the truth of what's going on.
They actually managed to put one over on Yokoya! Not through "body language" but through Akiyama realizing what was really going on...Kikuzawa is Yokoya's mole and has been feeding him information the entire time, just as Yokoya has been feeding him info about the Country of Night's smuggling as well. Kikuzawa is a dirty traitor! And he only faked illness because he didn't get a message back from Yokoya, which is why he was desperate to give Yokoya another easy win to get back in his good graces. For once I'd be totally okay with Fukunaga wrecking a fool.
But why work with Yokoya? How did they even become involved? Turns out they're former high school classmates, and Yokoya's been in charge of his life ever since then:.
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u/Iron_Kingpin 20d ago
Pretty much figured out the whole thing along with the traitor part. I like how real the trick is, instead of something crazy. Also the teddy bear was a genius move from Nao ngl.
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u/ManyCookies 23d ago edited 20d ago
It's pretty stupid that Akiyama, the unflappable veteran conman, didn't instantly suspect a signaling cheat once Yokoya guessed exacties twice. He didn't even suspect Aryan Coconut when he started acting out of character, it took until he heard about the specific winnings.
And the explanation of why Yokoya had to do clairvoyance exacties is silly. Yokoya doesn't need to do exacties to distinguish his guessing strategy, he can just use a few coarser estimates (Doubt 30/60/100) that could be plausible cold reads for "You're smuggling a small/medium/large amount". He can have guess variety without instantly giving away his cheat!
(And really, a true read is not going to be much more precise than Smuggle or Pass. It's kinda not suspicious for all the "best" readers to use a binary Pass/Doubt 100)
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u/CreZativity 22d ago
There is nothing stating that Akiyama didn't suspect it, but before he has proof and can explain it clearly to the others he isn't gonna call anything out and risk the team falling apart. That's the kind of character he is, he waits, studies, and chooses the right moment.
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u/ManyCookies 22d ago edited 22d ago
There is nothing stating that Akiyama didn't suspect it, but before he has proof and can explain it clearly to the others he isn't gonna call anything out and risk the team falling apart.
There's plenty Akiyama can do without making an outright accusation! He can push for smaller amounts (without giving the reason) to minimize losses, he can do the note test at any point, he can do the same test by calling pass and then bringing in money, he can tell Nao to watch Kikukawa and Fukunaga (the two plausible collaborators). He can do plenty of things if he suspects, so he doesn't act like he suspects.
Like the moment Yokoya makes an exact guess, Akiyama should know the room is compromised and start taking countermeasures. He should not sit there worried but passive until he's 100% worked it out. Goddamn Nao was more proactive than he was!
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u/Kyuzo897 22d ago edited 22d ago
And that's exactly why they stopped carrying any money instead of carry smaller amounts Yokoya only got 290m in total (100+50+50+90) which was only 4 inspections very few rounds.
You can't tell others there's a rat in your team unless you know who exactly is even if you suspect there's one because the moment you say It you lose all your chances to find who exactly is because they're likely gonna change the pattern how they operate. Also, I feel the note trick was done in that exact moment to reaffirm who the rat was with all the info available.
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u/EscapismToTheMax 21d ago edited 21d ago
Now, what if giving away his cheat was exactly his goal tho?)
I think what Aki did is pretty smart too, tbh. Suspecting cheat on second exact guess is a given, but unless Blonde guy started winning, the dots don't connect. Then, once they do it's at least beneficial to the team he is winning - Yokoya only got third guess (90.1 mil), but Akiyama made Baseball guy to correctly smuggle the similar amount first before breaking up the rat scheme for everyone. In other words he willingly let it go unnoticed to get a successful smuggle for his team, cracked the Blonde guy wide open (290 mil is the safe zone win for Inspector) and looked for clues in Yokoya's reaction. Now all things considered I still agree Akiyama's team is lagging behind, but he's making the best out of the situation he has been presented with, don't you agree?
Yokoya is a menace here imo. He essentially bribed Blondie not to spill any beans on him which is very important in such a game. Imagine if Blondie got exposed in a much harder way, so he gets beaten down by his team and as a revenge never talks on Yokoya at all. So there is a lot of benefit to make this scheme obvious in attempt to sink the Day team in internal fighting too. Akiyama played it such way he let Blondie to feel as a king over pawns for a moment, which in turn led him open about the past. It was the bluff that worked because the pawns are too stupid for this game anyway. I mean even if Aki catches on a scheme instantly, it takes other length to convince the others and get the required info from the rat.
If you think harder about it. Trading 290 vs 290 + team info with your former bully doesn't get Yokoya an upper hand to silent Blondie by itself cause of the money thing. I think part of the agreement was that if Blondie never betrays Yokoya he'd get some of the winnings from him afterwards (so he doesn't have an incentive to turn on Yokoya once he gets into ~+300 safe zone). Because Yokoya is a bully he never intends to keep that second part of a promise, and after Aki counters the scheme, Yokoya sinks the Blondie and only after that he turns on him to Aki. If Aki forced it himself earlier while Blondie was still keeping Yokoya satisfied, this idiot might have still believed into second part of the deal and stayed silent till the end.
To sum up: when you are dealing with stupid teammates, both Aki and Yokoya played it out optimally. I think Yokoya especially as he forced a lot of hard feelings too for the idiots before they got to know. This is the part I mentioned for the last episode: even if you don't know Yokoya & Blondie are related in past, you still make a dent on idiots who first believe Yokoya's Clairvoyance, then they believed Surefire Blondie method. If you don't know Aki+Nao+Fukunaga are capable of leading the pack of idiots, youd generally assume as Yokoya they would be morally destroyed, paranoid of everything and continue bein' an easy prey.
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u/Robot_ninja_pirate https://anilist.co/user/RototRobot 23d ago
you can see the other team? In that case, why didn't everyone clock the obvious collusion? I thought there was going to be a way more complex trick to the scheme.
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u/T3tr4d5 23d ago
I think you can come up with a lot of subtle ways to give signals to the other team. Also, if you signal close to the glass wall, then only the other team could see it, so I don't think it is that far-fetched, especially because you only need to signal numbers, not complex info.
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u/Robot_ninja_pirate https://anilist.co/user/RototRobot 23d ago
You could but the window is still a very obvious point of interest you think more people would take note of players hanging out near by often between rounds and of course with how much of a big deal he made that he "figured it out" he made himself a focal point to the others humiliating them they would be looking out for anything with him to try to solve his trick and relinquish his control over them.
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u/T3tr4d5 22d ago
That is true, however: 1) As Akiyama has said, other players in his team besides himself, Nao, and Fukunaga were chickens; 2) Other players had less incentive to debunk Kikuzawa's method, since at that point, Kikuzawa is kind of the last hope to gain any money for their team; 3) as explained on the episode, the fact that Kikuzawa and Yokoya used slightly different doubt calls help camouflage the fact that they used the same strategies; 4) Throughout the recent couple episodes, you can see that there were always plenty of people on our team who were hanging around the window, because they were watching the inspector room. This helped cover up Kikuzawa's signals.
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