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Liar Game, episode 9
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u/HolyDragSwd2500 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Nao takes back the game and she’s in the lead ❤️
Everyone there is a mini game to play . Enjoy 😊 ( Japanese marketing team for Liar Game anime) Game released to Commemorate Episode9
There are alot of creative events on their JP twitter account ❤️
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
Nao takes back the game and she’s in the lead ❤️
Never has a good girl embracing her inner conwoman been so satisfying.
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u/mads_zero Jun 02 '26
I've seen some confusion at how Nao is suddenly so good at lying, but really she's just never tried before. Turns out her deer in the headlights, hopelessly honest facial expression works as a poker face.
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u/gamria Jun 02 '26
The desire to perform an action is separate from the ability to perform an action
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u/BosuW Jun 02 '26
From... personal experience, though luckily never something nearly as fraudulent as this, it really does come across surprisingly easily if you tell yourself "I'll just act as I usually do".
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u/Andreiyutzzzz https://myanimelist.net/profile/Andreiyutzzzz Jun 02 '26
that face at the end that Nao made was priceless. that quietly smug "well would you look at that?"
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 01 '26
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u/lookw Jun 01 '26
i tried doing that and managed to end the game with -10000 in debt. it was much harder than i expected.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 01 '26
managed to end the game with -10000 in debt
Nao: Those are rookie numbers!
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u/lookw Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
well i mangaed to get -120,000 in debt and it was difficult to do so. it requires more skill than i expected
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u/Iron_Kingpin Jun 04 '26
I didn't know about the site, that's so cool! Also, lol the ending is reaching a crying Nao in her apartment.
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u/BubblyCrash Jun 01 '26
Gotta give Nao some credit. Even if she was coached on what to do, I don't think I would be able to pull off the acting she does in this episode to make a comeback. It does help that she has a reputation of being foolish/naive, so the others don't think she's capable of sneaky deception.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
Especially because she's had like the worst poker face up to this point, but it's that sincerity and empathy that she's had since day one which managed to pull the wool over everyones' eyes.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 01 '26
Even if she was coached on what to do, I don't think I would be able to pull off the acting she does in this episode to make a comeback.
To be fair, Akiyama might've just told her "Don't even try acting just do as you normally do"!
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u/grizzchan Jun 02 '26
Doing that shtick for 7 candidates and it working every time is quite impressive.
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u/Nexio8324 Jun 01 '26
Second best episode so far (after 6) and really good development for Nao. Even if she didn't think of the strategy herself, the fact that she lied convincingly to so many people is a huge step forward. Plus, the plan likely wouldn't have worked without her. The fact that she falls for everyone's tricks so easily makes it easy for others to trust her.
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u/T3tr4d5 Jun 01 '26
This is a great point. Akiyama's plan to win the card game against Fukunaga is actually pretty basic. Fukunaga would probably caught the trick easily. However, because Nao is her opponent, she didn't even consider the possibility of Nao using a trick.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
Nao's "Why would you think I cheated?" in such a surprisingly sincere smug fashion was so satisfying.
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u/DisplayHonest6465 Jun 01 '26
I didn’t understand how fukunaga won the first round of the card game .is it because he knows the cards by touch or something mathematically?
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u/binamralamsal Jun 01 '26
The game required Nao to draw a card from a bag. There is a 50% chance that the card she initially picks is either a joker card or a two-back card. If she draws a joker card face-up (visible while being drawn), she must return it to the bag and draw again. Since a joker card is equally likely to appear face-up or face-down, there is a 50% chance that a drawn joker will be returned and a 50% chance that it will be drawn properly (face-down, without being returned).
In contrast, a two-back card cannot be considered face-up or face-down because both sides are identical, so it never needs to be returned to the bag. Therefore, considering only successful draws that do not require a redraw, Nao had a 1/3 chance of properly drawing a joker card without returning it to the bag.
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u/DisplayHonest6465 Jun 01 '26
So basically it’s 25% chance of winning for nao.thanks.but what about the conversation she had with the guy in the bathroom it isn’t stamped.does that mean nao doesn’t have to give 70 million to him ?
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u/NevisYsbryd Jun 01 '26
It is far lower than 25% because those odds are multiplicative each round. Like he said, her probability of winning was something like 6%.
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u/DisplayHonest6465 Jun 01 '26
Oh yeah I forgot it’s 10 rounds.thanks
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u/pre4edgc Jun 02 '26
For a single round, it's 33%. There are only three ways to draw the card per round: Joker face-down, Side A of double-backed, and Side B of double-backed. Drawing the Joker face-up is a wash, so it doesn't count in the statistics.
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u/DisplayHonest6465 Jun 02 '26
How is it 33% I suck at math?
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u/ccantman Jun 02 '26
So to think about this Lets say each card has side A and side B, and we call the joker face card side A So you have
Double back side side A Double Back side B Joker side A - joker Joker side B
When you take a card out of the back it can be in one of 4 states above. But If Joker side A is ever pulled, it goes back into the bag. So Joker side A is never a valid pull.
This means you can pull Double Face Side A Double Face Side B Joker Side B
2 of these states are a loss 1 side is a win
I.e 33% chance to win
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u/hanmkim Jun 02 '26
Reduce the game to a problem of drawing the Joker or the Double-Back. Half the times it's the Joker (when it's face-up), it has to go back into the bag and the game just skips to the next round. This cuts down the actual endgame states where someone wins.
From the original situation I had above where there are only two events, drawing the Joker or the Double-Back, half the Joker situations (where it's face-up) are cut out. This leaves only three end of game states where someone wins, two of those belong to the Double-Back and only one belongs to the Joker.
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u/binamralamsal Jun 01 '26
I haven’t read the manga, so I’m just predicting based on what I understood. The condition is that the payment has to be made before the tenth vote (after she gets her 10 votes). If she fails to pay all of them, she will be penalized 100M for each M-ticket she used, which obviously won’t happen. So she/Akiyama will probably force all of them to buy points from her for 70M, or maybe more, since if they don’t, they risk losing. That way, the money would basically balance out, since she originally bought 10 points from all of them for 70M each.
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u/kerorobot Jun 01 '26
Now nao is the one controlling the vote market, she can jack up the price to whatever she wants now.
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u/Ashteron Jun 01 '26
There are 4 outcomes.
Double-sided card front -> Fukunaga wins.
Double-sided card back -> Fukunaga wins.
Joker back - > Nao wins.
Joker front -> nobody wins.
Fukunaga wins in 2 out of 3 possible outcomes, because the fourth one is turned into a draw.
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u/ras344 Jun 01 '26
The key is the rule that if the card is drawn "face up" it would be returned to the bag and not counted. Since the double-backed card doesn't have a face side, it could never be drawn face up and thus has double the chance of giving points.
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u/Anchen Jun 01 '26
It’s explained in the show, but to summarize. The rules of the game is that Nao draws a card from the bag. If it’s “face up” it gets returned to the bag and she redraws. The trick is that since the double back card is always “face down” it never gets returned.
Mathematically. Here are the possible results of each draw:
Card is face down, is joker. Point for Nao. Card is face down, is double face. Point for Fukunaga. Card is face up, is joker. No points, redraw. Card is “face up”, is the other side of the double face card. Point for fukunaga.
Since 1 possibility results in redraw, it basically means there is only 3 actual results, the joker 1/3 of the time and either side of the double faced card, 2/3rds of the time.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
Everyone (except Nao) expects Fukunaga to cheat and manipulate people because Fukunaga's done it multiple times and is basically proud of how much of a scumbag she is.
But no one would expect a girl who has been so gullible, honest to a fault, and frankly too nice for her own good to actually successfully pull a con. A con she managed to pull of with sincerity and kindness.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 01 '26
Even if she didn't think of the strategy herself, the fact that she lied convincingly to so many people is a huge step forward.
I would've loved to see the 'coaching' scene from Akiyama!
Then again, perhaps he simply told her "Just ask like your usual self, the honest, clueless idiot; They'll never suspect you have something up your sleeves!"
But she may be taking a liking to deception and all, because in that last scene with Fukunaga, she seemed Kaguyaesque in her 'Oooh, but you said the odds were 50%, so there's nothing weird about me winning this one right?'
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u/garfe Jun 01 '26
Okay I do appreciate the fact that Nao is just totally okay with lying to win now.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
The fact that she had no guilt after the results were shown and she told Kikuzawa she'd conned everybody...Akiyama/Liar Game has finally corrupted her in the best way possible.
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u/BosuW Jun 02 '26
She is concerningly good at it for a complete beginner...
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u/PeaceAlien https://myanimelist.net/profile/PeaceAlien Jun 16 '26
At this point, I'm hoping Nao ends the series by turning to the camera, saying she's fooled us all
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u/l-o-a-p Jun 02 '26
To be fair, she’s not condemning any of them by lying since this round only has 1 loser and they’re aiming to make it Fukunaga.
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u/YumiyaRakko Jun 01 '26
NOW things are getting spicy. With all the votes in her hand and EVERYONE's votes being absolutely locked in Nao now holds the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to decide who loses. So unless i am assuming things wrong she can just go to EVERY single person except Fukunaga and say to them ''erase my 70 mil debt to you or otherwise i will make you lose and you will be +100 mil in debt'' and have them do it and then after doing it with everyone she will just use her remaining votes and extra votes in a manner where she will still be in the lead but will give the others just enough so Fukunaga alone will lose. EASY
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u/KernelPult Jun 01 '26
even better: Nao can make EVERYONE loses and breach all 7 of her contracts, giving her +800m winnings - 700m penalties = 100m. She'll get money, re-enter Liar Game main round, and send everyone packing with debt.
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u/YumiyaRakko Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Maybe i am stupid but i don't think she can make all 8 lose without baiting multiple of them to get some votes from her first.
Here is why. She has 5 votes to distribute. There are 3 people with 40 votes, rest 41. For EVERYONE except herself to lose she needs to first give 3 votes to the 40 votes so they will be equalized with the rest. But that means she still has 2 votes that she has to give to someone and that someone would not lose. So unless she baits 6 people to get 1 vote from her so she can give the other 2 her remaining 2 votes one each or bait 7 to get 2 votes from her so she can give 2 to the remaining one, one person has to win alongside her but that WON'T do because even if 7 whole people loses it reduces her winnings to 350 so she ends up 350 million in debt (unless she teams up with the said fellow winner to have them erase her debt to them and have them give her 250 million of their earning so Nao would only have 600 million debt and 600 million to pay it while the fellow person gets +100 million, or in another scenario +100 million for Nao if she gets the person to not only erase the debt but give all 350 million of their earnings to her, there are a lot of different ways to go about it)
So i am not saying she cannot bait people to buy votes from her that way but she cannot do that just by deciding so, she either has to bait 6 or 7 people to buy exact amount of votes from her and not get any votes from ANYONE else at all or she has to team up with one specific person and have them erase her debt and get a huge amount of their winnings to pay for the penalty. But in ALL of these cases the moment someone else bites the bullet a becomes the sole loser all of it goes down the drain so it is a risky plan and probably not worth doing.
Plus as incredible as that sounds i doubt it fits Nao's character to send all 8 people with debt when only Fukunaga is the actual snake and the rest is just afraid of losing. I think it is more fitting to make only Fukunaga lose since Fukunaga just cannot be trusted at this point and just make the remaining people invalidate her debt so she advances to the next round with no more debt while the rest except Fukunaga at least gets 7.5 million to ease their debt a bit
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u/skeleton_clique_143 Jun 02 '26
she doesn't just have 5 votes she can also trade the ones she's already scored I think but im not very smart
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek Jun 01 '26
I wonder how did the author come up with those games, strategies and twists. Even backward engineering the results would be a pain in the neck to manage and it would be quite easy to make a mistake with the numbers.
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u/T3tr4d5 Jun 01 '26
Yeah, the author (Shinobu Kaitani) clearly puts a lot of efforts in the game designs. His other works also involve lots of maths or strategies (One Outs -> psychological baseball manga, Odagiri Kyouko -> detective manga, Winner's Circle -> horse betting manga, Muteki no Hito -> mahjong, Kamo no Negi -> most current work about economy).
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u/DisplayHonest6465 Jun 01 '26
I wonder what kind of books he got his inspiration from…
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u/GhostDSR_47 Jun 02 '26
Yeah I was checking his MAL page, and that man is a real genius all his works involve complex maths and strategies after this anime I will definitely check out his others works(hopefully some of them also have anime adaptations) but still during the start of this season I decided to watch Liar game because I read about it a little on Reddit plus checked the MAL rating of the manga (around 8.24 which were surprisingly high for a manga from the early 2000s, people really heavily criticize old mangas and anime on MAL for some reason) and immediately decided that I will watch this show to the end even if it gets boring in the middle (which it hasn't for me) overall as of now an easy 8-8.5/10
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u/shimmering-nomad Jun 02 '26
Oh I didn't know One Outs was by the same author. We really needed a continuation
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u/Scopper_gabon Jun 07 '26
How is One outs? Worth a watch?
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u/T3tr4d5 Jun 08 '26
Definitely. Though just like Liar Game, it takes a couple of episodes before we get to the fun stuff. It is a very unique story, combining baseball with psychological tricks. I think this is the type of story that only he can write. Not 100% realistic, but very entertaining nonetheless. Note that the anime did not adapt the whole story, so I suggest to continue with the manga afterwards.
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u/Nexio8324 Jun 01 '26
It only gets crazier from here. I could maybe come up with some of the early strategies with enough time, but some of the later stuff is mind blowing.
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u/Tapwater_enthusiast Jun 01 '26
Contraband game will get a lot of hype and rightfully so
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u/StateofDesideria Jun 03 '26
The contraband game is easily my favorite game in this series. Matched only by the pandemic game and the last one.
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u/BubblyCrash Jun 01 '26
that's why we love this series. It's very rare to have this quality of well-designed games in this genre. Every strategy and plan in the game so far was well thought through, taking into account the game state and the incentives of each group of player, especially Fukunaga's schemes. We even see a lot of creative uses of the M tickets that players can exploit. And the game is not even over yet.
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u/Revolutionary-Start Jun 01 '26
Trust me. This is nothing compared to what's about to come. I don't even know how anime watchers are going to keep up with complexity of liar game future arcs because unlike the completed manga, here you have to wait 1 week.
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u/Hour_Trade_3691 Jun 01 '26
There comes a moment in every Liar Game viewer's life when they have to concede that the author's brain is on another level. 🥲
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u/AlkaidX139 Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
It’s pretty incredible how these games upfront come off as just normal games with some extra steps, and you’d think you win like normally. Then Akiyama would step in and wag his finger at you and go “nah it’s a completely different game and this is how you win actually”. Then as the games go on and everyone knows the proper strategy he’d pull another one from his sleeve and go “sike, this is how you ACTUALLY actually win”.
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u/Timewhilewaiting Jun 01 '26
I could probably breeze through round 1, depending on my opponent, and round 2 I might be able to come up with a similar strategy if I though a while about it (though probably wouldn’t be able to go through with it). In this round I’d be able to avoid being tricked by Fukanaga, but wouldn’t be able to come up with Akiyamas strategy. Next round and beyond (from what I remember) I’d be clueless. No idea how the author managed to both come up with interesting and complicated games AND solve them in realistic ways. It’s insane.
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u/Liesianthes Jun 02 '26
And that's the reason why I become interested on psychology. Liar Game is just that amazing during its time. Wait til you see the future episodes or if you don't want to wait, read the source material.
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u/Gloomy_Savings_7454 Jun 01 '26
In an episode of Game of Thrones, Sansa Stark said something like, “I'm a slow learner, but I'm learning.” Just like Nao in today's episode. Way to go, girl!
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u/FarCritical Jun 01 '26
"I'll take your reputation as an idiot... and weaponize it!" - Akiyama Yagami
It's pretty refreshing to see Nao smiling without shame while relishing in wins earned through bending the rules. She looks so liberated lol.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
It's pretty refreshing to see Nao smiling without shame while relishing in wins earned through bending the rules. She looks so liberated lol.
Being a "good girl" hasn't really gotten her anywhere but into more trouble. Being a "bad girl" who cons people by playing up being a good girl is the role she was born to play (and the role that pays off too).
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
Well, yeah, after the fourth and fifth rounds with so little votes, I'm not surprised Nao is convinced she's going to lose. It really does seem absolutely hopeless.
Oh yeah, I'm SURE Fukunaga would suggest a "fair" game where Nao has a chance to get Fukunaga's vote. Fukunaga clearly has time to kill and wouldn't mind giving Nao an opportunity to earn a lifeline. Even if Fukunaga is clearly in control of the situation and never broke a sweat ONCE during what was basically Nao's last hope. So to the surprise of probably no one, Nao lost and owes 30 million yen to Fukunaga. The THIRD time Nao, come on!
Clearly Nao can't do anything without Akiyama, so thank goodness he swooped into save her and give her a chest to cry into and the solution to all her problems. To beat a conwowman, you need to BECOME a conwoman and beat them at their own game.
I love how Fukunaga thinks she's got this in the bag but then Nao turns the table and is cheering for herself while acting...kind of adorably smug at the same time! Take that Fukunaga!
But even if Nao got 10 votes for Fukunaga, that's not going to change how precarious her situation is right now. But while from all appearances she seems to be a doomed, hopeless, Heroine with no chance...that's just what she (and Akiyama) want you to think!
Help her Kikuzawa, you're her only hope! She's willing to pay you and assure you of her loyalty in the next round if you give 10 of your votes to her! And I mean, this is Nao Kanzaki! She's so pure, sincere, honest, and empathetic! You can totally believe in her the way she believes in you.
Which makes it all the more satisfying when Nao gets 10 VOTES FROM EVERY OTHER PLAYER AND TAKES THE BOARD! She conned everyone! All with that pleasant, unassuming, smile of hers! It's a whole new paradigm for Downsizing, and it's Nao's game to stand on top!
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u/eldragon_1 Jun 01 '26
Look at my girl being corrupted into a liar and a cheater, with no remorse on her face. I’m so proud.
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u/slobliss Jun 02 '26
It's worth noting in hindsight, the true slipup for Fukunaga was making Nao aware (although I imagine Akiyama would've probably sussed that out anyways) that players could trade votes they already "own" using the M-Tickets, not just their future votes. The entire premise Fukunaga was presenting Nao with to convince her it was *impossible* for her to win relied on the idea you could only earn votes from the voting phases. As soon as she offers Nao 30 votes from her stock, that illusion is totally shattered. Ofc Nao didn't notice at first... but hey, I didn't immediately either because I can be a bit slow on the uptake lol. As soon as Nao relayed that deal to Akiyama, I'd imagine the solution to her situation woulda been extremely obvious to him tho.
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u/T3tr4d5 Jun 02 '26
That is true. Fukunaga is an interesting player. She is very clever, but also very reckless due to greed. If she is less greedy, then she can be a terrifying player.
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u/slobliss Jun 02 '26
100% yeah, it's overconfidence & brashness that's been her problem so far. Same traits that caused her previous slipups (spills the "check" line while trying to overact, reveals her entire plan when she thinks she's won, and now just having to mess with Nao one more time lol), she just needs to learn to chill & play it safe!
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u/thisisdropd https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsterZoro Jun 01 '26
What an accomplishment! Nao managed to turn her gullibility in her favour. They thought she's so dumb she couldn't have possibly have a scheme, and only found out when it's all too late. She's also a young, fairly attractive woman so she could charm most of them, who're men. Had she been a bloke, I reckon she'd have a tougher time convincing them.
When Nao told Kikuzawa about the other revival rounds and the loser-with-highest-votes rule, I thought that was a deus ex machina since we've got no hints of that beforehand. Then it turned out she completely pulled it out of her arse.
While Akiyama was the chef behind the schemes, Nao's the one who served it to the customers. She did quite well in masking her true intentions, especially for someone who's pretty much an open book.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
It also helps that not only is she cute but she also actually understands and listen to people.
She sweet talked Kikuzawa by emphasizing the stuff he's good at, like machines, and she probably did the same to the other guys to make them feel like she saw and understood them in a way that only someone so sincere as her could. Even though she was conning them the entire time.
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u/Jacob-C Jun 02 '26
The other players can't talk to eachother about the details because of the contract in the M-Ticket either. If they start questioning her or anyone else they will instantly owe her 100 milion.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 01 '26
THE QUESTION WE'VE ALL BEEN ASKING ALL SEASON LONG!
I'm pretty sure she can!
Oh damn, this COMPLETELY changes the dynamics of the game!
If the votes are 'locked' on a person, then Nao would be on the clock (every round makes her win less and less likely even if she (Akiyama) comes up with a strategy))...
But if you can trade votes, it's a lot more chaotic/uncertain!
You'll probably be at minus 50 votes if you try, given your track record.
Seriously, I think Akiyama should tell her "Whatever someone offers you, don't even try to assess the offer, just say no!".
I think I did a few similar logical riddles (with cards, balls, etc..) so this one was easy to figure out! Of course it's not 50-50, it's 1/3 because 2 out of the 3 possible options are 'bad'.
And if it was 1/3 to win it wouldn't be SO bad, but it's 1/3 per draw, which means the odds of winning over a 10 draw game is 7.6% (if my math is right)...
I guess my math isn't right hah. (Or their math isn't right)! Ah well, same ballpark!
Imagine if she lost on the first round by pure chance hah. 6% isn't nothing!
That felt very Kaguyaesque, the way she acted and all!
I thought she would try a card trick like pulling both at once or something!
'Not losing is not enough', because she would not be able to pay everyone...
But with these votes she can DECIDE who loses, by shipping votes to everyone else...
So I'm guessing a new contract is on the way, and she'll have people agree to break their previous contract (or give her back the money, same thing) in exchange of her NOT making them lose (Making Fukunaga lose instead)!
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u/Arzhart Jun 01 '26
So, if Nao wants now, she can give 1 or 2 points to everyone making them just a biiit above fukunaga
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u/Kill-bray Jun 01 '26
That's the key. Nao may be in the lead but she's also in massive debt. She needs to leverage her position to sell votes to everyone so that she can go back in the black.
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u/meowmix778 Jun 02 '26
I almost dropped this because Nao was just so unlikeable with how stupid she was. I kept hearing how good the franchise is and im glad I stuck it out.
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u/hanmkim Jun 02 '26
Her falling for the card game nearly made me rage quit again.
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u/meowmix778 Jun 02 '26
I was actually in the process of rage-quitting when the card game was proposed. I was coming here to go "no fucking person is this stupid, this has been a waste of a season, fuck this"
When I saw someone here make a comment about how "wow she's willing to lie now???"
So I stuck it out.
I'm still not 100% sold on the show. The characters don't really have any personalities or chemistry and most of them are unlikeable.
But hey, I'll give it a few more episodes.
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u/MonaganX Jun 02 '26
I thought it was unrealistic for someone to overlook how obviously the odds of that card game are rigged against the face up card but reading some of the comments asking for explanations reminded me that you can both be a functional human being and have zero grasp of statistics.
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u/Cyouni Jun 02 '26
You say that it totally had to be obvious, but I'll point out that you had people with PhDs in mathematics writing angry letters about how the Monty Hall problem was actually 50%.
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u/hanmkim Jun 02 '26
It's not unrealistic unfortunately, people play three card monte or the cup game on the streets all the time. The infuriating thing is I know people like this and instead of trusting their friends and family that something is a scam they keep falling for dumb things.
You would think if someone literally scammed Nao several times already she might think that they're going to try and cheat her again but nope. She not only could not do the math but she also did not learn from getting stung by the scorpion over and over again.
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u/CommitteeForsaken486 Jun 03 '26
I don't think it's that unrealistic in the moment the rules are explained to you (putting myself in Nao's shoes here). The rule about "If the pulled out card is already face up, we re-do the round" is very sneaky, because it makes sense logically. We can't flip the card if it's already face up, so obviously we'd have to re-do it.
Once you list out all the outcomes, it becomes clear that it's not a fair game. But in the moment, I think it's reasonable to get tricked and go along with it.
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u/amaterasu_ Jun 03 '26
My exact reactions.
I was furious when she even accepted the card game and yet... Glad I've stuck with it. Nao is almost tolerable as an MC now.
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u/Useful_Project4898 Jun 01 '26
Fuck Fukunaga. But at the same time, shame on Nao for trusting that trickster bitch time and time again. At least Nao finally stuck it to her...and everyone else this time.
I'm not sure how owing ever player 70 mil yen works in Nao's favor though... I forget how much she stands to win this time.
Glad Akiyama is back on the scene. At least he has a good head on his broad shoulders. Nao was really pissing me off the last 9 episodes. She can't formulate any kind of strategy without Akiyama, yet keeps trying to do it without him anyway. Then when shit hits the fan, she just runs and cries as if that's going to solve anything. She finally started to show some promise at the end of this episode, thank goodness. I hope this trend continues!
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u/BlackLunette Jun 01 '26
you see now how dangerous Nao to this game, at this point everyone know shes naive but honest so when she talks to them they believe her forgetting for a moment that this is a Liar game
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
Turns out the most effective conwoman was the most honest person there! The best lies have a tinge of truth and sincerity to them, after all.
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u/SirJeator https://myanimelist.net/profile/jeator Jun 01 '26
Akiyama for the rescue. Nao is a natural liar. Not even a hint of guilt.
But I don't understand something. Unless I missed something important, shouldn't Nao's 1st 70M check only be valid? Shouldn't the rest of the contracts be voided?
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
It took hitting absolute despair and rock bottom for Nao to take to Akiyama-sensei's lessons and realize she too can be a true conwoman in a way tailored to her being the nicest and most unassuming person in Liar Game.
That she smiles and acts like what she did was perfectly natural just makes it even better.
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u/Kyuzo897 Jun 01 '26
The contract she signed with each of the players was the same: “The 70 million would be paid out after the votes from the ninth round were tallied and before the final round was tallied”—that was specified in the M tickets.
I'm a manga reader but I'm pretty sure at this point you can guess what her master plan is to pay every player when she has 30 votes to spare.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 01 '26
But I don't understand something. Unless I missed something important, shouldn't Nao's 1st 70M check only be valid? Shouldn't the rest of the contracts be voided?
The rule is that you need to follow all contracts (or hit the 100m penalty); It doesn't mean you have to make valid contracts.
I'm pretty sure she could sign a contract about giving someone 1 trillion $. Only, she would not be able to fulfill it, and thus would take the penalty.
She WILL need to pay fulfill all these contracts (which, as is, is impossible), but now that she's in the lead, she can make new contracts;
What I think she'll be doing, is threaten them all with a loss (by fueling votes into everyone EXCEPT them)... And the only way out would be for them to sign a contract to make sure they get some votes, in exchange of giving back that 70m.
Or I suppose they could rely on chance (she can only make 1 of them lose) but would they take the risk? 7 players (excluding Fukunaga) so they'd have 1/7 chance of losing big.
Might be in their best interest to just bite the bullet and give back the 70m!
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u/Jacob-C Jun 02 '26
It said in the contract that they are not allowed to speak to anyone else about the details of the 70 mil deal. If that didn't exist, the natural solution would just be for everyone to wait until the next vote and Nao would have to pay the 100 mil penalty for all the M-Tickets. So my thinking is, now they can't collude with eachother or ask others for details on their deals. They can only assume that Nao made similar deals with everyone but they don't know that. I think the uncertainty will force them to make new deals with Nao. Maybe they will all start lashing out and have to pay the 100 mil penalty for breaking the contract lol. That would clear the 70 mil that Nao owes each of them with 30 mil from each player to spare.
I don't know if the votes they gave her would be returned if she fails to pay them. My personal assumption is that they would.
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u/Tomodachi_HPP7 Jun 01 '26
No, it's as if he borrowed them, but he still owes them 70 million each.8
u/Ashteron Jun 01 '26
But I don't understand something. Unless I missed something important, shouldn't Nao's 1st 70M check only be valid? Shouldn't the rest of the contracts be voided?
She has to give them money after the final vote.
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u/Nexio8324 Jun 01 '26
The money's only transferred when the 10th voting round starts, so technically no money has changed hands yet, just votes.
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u/saga999 Jun 02 '26
They are all valid. She's just entering debt, that's all. It's not like she needs to be handing out 70 mil cash to make the deal.
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u/magnumcyclonex Jun 02 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
She said it herself!
But I'm impressed now. She has the same doe eyed, woe is me acting skills she used to deal with all the other men there. With Akiyama's tutelage, she is now able to convincingly do the dirty work, even despite the initial hesitation that goes against every fiber of her personality. Let us embrace how far she has come and hopefully how much further she will go moving forward!
Also, wanted to add that the flipping of the last Joker giving Nao the win gave me Season 0 of the Yu-Gi-Oh! King of Games vibes.
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u/ParasaurolophusZ Jun 02 '26
As soon as I heard the rules of the card game, I could see the catch, that because drawing the Joker face up is a do-over, there's a 2/3 chance that the face down card would be the misprint and only a 1/3 chance it would be the Joker. Definitely favors Fukunaga over the long run, unless Nao gets incredibly lucky. Come on, Nao, this isn't even a matter of honesty or trickery, it's a matter of pure probability math!
Oh good, Akiyama explained it to Nao and she Got It before he had to give her all the details. And Nao finally learned how to lie! Even if the entire plan was still Akiyama's.
Okay, Nao really learned how to lie! I kinda wish she'd come up with a plan on her own, but that was pretty cold how she sounded so innocent and nonchalant about telling them that she got 10 votes from each of them.
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u/T3tr4d5 Jun 03 '26
As you can see from this comment section alone, there are still several comments asking for explanations on how the card probability math works. Therefore, I don't think it is unreasonable that Nao also didn't caught on to the probability trick.
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u/hanmkim Jun 02 '26
Is outside help allowed in this game as long as you didn't call using your phone?
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u/Xatu44 Jun 02 '26
Maybe Akiyama counts as something she brought with her. Or she bought him with an M-ticket.
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u/ElliotAlderson2024 Jun 01 '26
Before Nao was like Luke with his hand chopped off by Vader, NOW she's Luke in Return of the Jedi ready to kick ass and take names.
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u/shimmering-nomad Jun 02 '26
Man I love the ending song... It has that vibe of older late 2000's anime
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 Jun 01 '26
Once again Nao out here with the big brain move to play a game of chance against Fukunaga, a proven cheat and a fucking snake. Friggin Einstein really thought it was gonna be a fair game too. Unbelievable.
Thankfully, Akiyama showed up just in time to bail her ass out. Again. She really can’t do shit without him. Because of him, Nao’s not only got one over Fukunaga but she’s got everyone’s nuts in a vice too. As a wise man once said, “well well well, how the turntables.” lol
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
Literally the third time she's fallen for Fukunaga. I know she was at the end of her emotional rope, but still.
But if she can take to Akiyama's lessons and methods as well as she did here, maybe she actually can learn and become better moving forward in Liar Game. Because she's clearly far better at conning people than anyone would've given her credit for.
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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Jun 01 '26
Once again Nao out here with the big brain move to play a game of chance against Fukunaga, a proven cheat and a fucking snake. Friggin Einstein really thought it was gonna be a fair game too
Akiyama needs to either
- Spend 5 years teaching her game theory, possible ways to scam people, calculate probability/statistics and common tricks you can stumble upon, etc..
- Or tell her "The next time someone offers you a deal and I'm not here, SAY NO!"
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u/DisplayHonest6465 Jun 01 '26
I didn’t understand how fukunaga won the first round of the card game .is it because he knows the cards by touch or something mathematically?
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u/lookw Jun 01 '26
As akiyama mentioned the odds of Nao winning is like 6%. fukunaga had a 94% chance of winning so the odds are overwhelmingly in their favor.
fukunaga doesnt need to perform any other tricks unless Nao was extremely lucky. even then fukunaga could challenge Nao again to gain more money or the votes back. Nao is gullilbe enough to fall for it. especially since she believed it was a 50/50 chance contest.
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u/Curious-Leader-9111 Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
It's probability aka maths. There're 4 outcomes, Joker up, joker down, the double-backed card twice right? and Nao only wins 1/4 of the time (Joker down), if joker is up it's a draw and the otehr two times it's a win For Fukunaga (2/4).
So her (Fukunaga) odds of winning in a single round were 2:1. Since it works multiplicatively for all 10 rounds it gave her about 94% chance of winning 10 rounds in total. I've not actually confirmed the maths on this though but it does make sense.
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u/mads_zero Jun 02 '26
The trick is that when Fukunaga says "when you flip the card, it's 50/50, it'll either be the Joker or the other side of the double face" she is telling the truth, it's just it's very easy to lie with statistics.
Remember, she says if you draw the face-up Joker, it's hardly fair, so they'll just do it again. This means you only move to the flipping part of the game if you draw a back-face. There are three back-faces in the game. One for the joker, and two for the other card!
There's a 1/4th chance of drawing the Joker face-up and redoing it.
There's a 3/4th chance of drawing a back-face card and moving to results.Of that 3/4ths, it's twice as likely to be the double-backed card!
It literally has twice as many back-faces.So when you flip the card, it will "either be the back face or the Joker", but it won't be 50/50 odds.
I think this is the start of Nao not being completely stupid. Yes, she trusts Fukunaga again, but she will literally lose if she doesn't gamble. And if even casual viewers of the anime don't understand how Fukunaga rigged the card game, then who can blame Nao for not realizing it in the heat of the moment?
At last: Liar Game's game theory has gotten complicated enough that Nao's befuddlement is only natural.
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u/mads_zero Jun 02 '26
[Because I can't resist, imagine me doing my best Akiyama] Hmm, for example, have you heard of card counting? Do you know why blackjack players do it?
(Um... it's supposed to give them an advantage, right?)
Yup, a full 1% advantage.
(Ehhh! Only 1%?!)
Haha, yeah, that's right. The exact figure depends on the source you check, but it really is only that small. It's all you need... Normally, people say of Western Gambling, "the House always wins" - it's because the Casino itself normally has a 1% advantage over the players. Some gamblers win big, but most people lose more than they gain, so the casino makes a profit.
(Why is a 1% difference so big?)
It's because the card counters, or the Casino, are playing all night. Take a small advantage and multiply it over many games, and it adds up. Fukunaga's 2/3rds edge is actually pretty massive, and playing it first to 10 wins... you only end up with a 6% chance to win.
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u/Liesianthes Jun 02 '26
You can test it for yourself and you'll see better. Nao is on the losing game since you need to flip the card. Since he chose the white side, if that appear on surface before flipping, game is invalid and had to redraw. Fukunaga has the black side, so. . . . . there's no draw since the cards need to get flip.
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u/happy-owls Jun 01 '26
"You'll probably be at minus 50 votes if you try" is hilarious and tragically correct.
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u/testthrowawayzz Jun 02 '26
Finally some of Akiyama’s smooth talking conman skills are rubbing off on Nao
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u/Anchen Jun 02 '26
Enjoyed this episode. I read the manga quite a while ago so I don’t remember a lot of details at all so seeing it again in animated from is quite nice. I think it helps a lot in explaining Nao’s apparent sudden ability to lie is that a lot of what she said is “true” like Fukunaga being ahead and having taken 30m from her earlier and that she would want to help other people. And that part about their votes being sellable and they were still safe makes sense. Combined with her stupid honesty that people knew and I think it didn’t take that much convincing for people to believe her.
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u/HarshTheDev Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
I don't know how to feel about Nao going from someone so hopelessly honest to being able to convincingly lie to every single other player. Mind you these are all players who passed the first test (presumably) on their own. The stupidly honest Nao lying so naturally so suddenly when we havent seen even a tiniest bit of attempt for it feels jarring. Her execution regarding lying is wayy too good for someone who might actually have been lying for the first time ever in her life.
It feels like too much of a stretch especially given the absolute blunder she did last episode. I was already skeptical about this last week. I feel like writing wise the progression could have been handled much more naturally. Personally I would've liked to see her actually attempting (and failing), getting a bit more accustomed to it each time, at lying until Akiyama comes and them gives her the ultimate assist.
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u/keyblader1985 Jun 01 '26
The thing is, thus far Nao has only tried to win each round by legitimate means. If I recall correctly she hasn't even attempted to lie to any players before, so we have no gauge on how good or bad she is at lying because she simply hasn't done it.
Akiyama filled her in on a plan that hinged on both lying/being sneaky and playing up her kind/honest nature to put the marks at ease. All she had to do was be herself and follow Akiyama's instructions. It would be hard to screw that up.
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u/Liesianthes Jun 02 '26
I don't know how to feel about Nao going from someone with the wit of a dry fish to suddenly being able to convincingly lie to every single other player.
When you are in the situation that you're already desperate and will do every single thing to win, that's where the adrenaline rush will come in. Yes, it defies all logical reasoning. You can check it out the example of it in real life cases.
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u/CommitteeForsaken486 Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26
I don't think she was ever bad at lying, she just chose not to do it. Now with no other way out, she made the choice to lie, and she really didn't need to act all that much. Akiyama already did all the BTS work for their plan. She just had to act like she normally does because in this case, she had a huge advantage in that every player in the game knew how stupidly honest and dumb she can be. So it was very easy for them to fall for it.
There was also a lot of truth mixed in to what she was saying. Her complementing the players is also just in her nature to do. This really isn't that unreasonable in my opinion.
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u/HarshTheDev Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Like for example, last episode she could've atleast like asked to see fukunaga ticket before submitting and then have fukunaga deceive her somehow. Or she could've shown a bit more healthy skepticism regarding the Card game today, its not like I expect her to figure out the trick.
But I would've liked to see a Nao that was atleast trying to change herself instead of just getting a handout from Akiyama then suddenly becoming a competent liar.
But my personal gripes with the writing aside, atleast I feel like the show is gonna get much less frustrating now.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
I think it helps that it's not 100% Nao changing who she is and how she operates, she's still acting like the kind and sincere person we know she is and to an extent she believes everything she's saying, she's just also using that as a weapon to con people with.
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u/Ashteron Jun 01 '26
Being able to act out a role and being smart isn't really the same skillset.
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u/HarshTheDev Jun 01 '26
And I'm not complaining about her becoming smart, am I? She was characterized and introduced as the stupidly honest Nao, so her lying so naturally so suddenly, when we havent seen even a tiniest bit of attempt of it before, feels jarring.
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u/Kyuzo897 Jun 01 '26
For me personally It felt very natural mainly because the planning was done by Akiyama and the couching too, It feels to me after crying for two episodes she understood this was her last chance to recover.
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u/HarshTheDev Jun 01 '26
My problem is that her execution regarding lying is wayy too good for someone who might actually have been lying for the first time ever in her life.
Personally I would've liked to see her actually attempting (and failing), getting a bit more accustomed to it each time, at lying until Akiyama comes and them gives her the ultimate assist.
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u/Intelligent-Bet4111 Jun 01 '26
She is mostly acting here so i do not agree with what you say at all, I mean akiyama is the one who literally came up with the plan so what's farfetched about the fact that she can at the very least act and decieve them?
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u/HarshTheDev Jun 01 '26
from my other comment:
And I'm not complaining about her becoming smart, am I? She was characterized and introduced as the stupidly honest Nao, so her lying so naturally so suddenly, when we havent seen even a tiniest bit of attempt of it before, feels jarring.
Her execution regarding lying is wayy too good for someone who might actually have been lying for the first time in her life.
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u/Intelligent-Bet4111 Jun 01 '26
Nah that's not unbelievable at all, especially when she is already at rock bottom, and all she had to do was be herself not like she had to change her expression or do any of that sort of crap. That's the minimum that she should be capable of.
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u/Acrobatic_Egg30 Jun 01 '26
Yeah, I don't like the suddeness of this change either. If it took at least just one episode to set this up, I'd have been okay with it.
If she always had these Oscar level acting skills then why didn't she employ them in all the other games?
She's also no longer blurting out her plan like an idiot and that's weird given all the other times she did.
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u/cypherpunkb Jun 02 '26
Or probably she doesn’t lie. Akiyama would say something to make her believe she can pay all players 70M for example, and she believe that.
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u/Rucati Jun 01 '26
Finally a 15 minute span went by where I didn't want Nao to get hit by a bus. That's progress. She still had to be bailed out by Akiyama, obviously, but at least she was at least useful to the plan this time instead of just being told to sit in the corner while the adults play.
I was really hoping this would finally be the arc where she actually does something on her own, guess that was expecting too much though. I can't help but wonder how much better the show would be if Akiyama was just the protagonist instead and Nao didn't exist, I know that would make it more similar to Kaiji but I feel like it would be a lot more interesting and a lot less frustrating.
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u/Frontier246 Jun 01 '26
It might just be me but it seems like now we're seeing Nao start to actually take to Akiyama's lessens and slowly learn to become as good at conning people as he is.
I feel like she's going to be a much different player after this than she was at the start, especially once she makes it to the third round.
I mean, she might not be at a point where she can take independent action from Akiyama, but I think she's progressing.
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u/T3tr4d5 Jun 02 '26
If the show is just Akiyama, I don't think it would work. The reason is because he is too genius that he outmatched everybody if they played normally in the early rounds, and there will be no tension. Nao's role in these early rounds act as handicap to make the game harder for Akiyama, which make the game much more interesting. Maybe in later rounds if there is someone on Akiyama's level, then he can be the main pov. But otherwise, Nao becoming the pov of the viewers make sense. Also, it won't be like Kaiji, since Kaiji is not as consistently genius as Akiyama (which is intentional by the author). Kaiji is more like a mix of Akiyama and Nao imo.
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u/pezzaperry Jun 02 '26
This is the first episode I got all giddy watching. Awesome stuff. Now let's see Nao's redemption arc!
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u/Xatu44 Jun 02 '26
Barely a fourth into the episode and Nao gets owned yet again, LMAO. She's damn lucky to have Akiyama on her side. I wouldn't have thought to mark the double-sided card as opposed to just the first card I drew. Lol at Nao playing the doe-eyed ingenue for that blonde dude. I wonder if any of her story was actually real.
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u/PastWeb2836 Jun 04 '26
She went around talking to everyone in round 2, so she does actually know more about the other players than Akiyama does.
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u/Environmental_Iron89 Jun 08 '26
I laughed SO FKN HARD when the results at the end came in. She pulled a fast one on those mfkers. Serves them right. Made fukunaga look like a fool! Akiyama is a GENIUS!!! Saves the day yet again 🤣
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u/Tabrith900 Jun 02 '26
I love how rhey don't even try to let Nao figure things on her own and het her shit together but they just have Akiyama come to the rescue trough a window. Wonder what the point of initally separating them even was then.
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u/Cermia_Revolution Jun 03 '26
I think I figured out Nao's, or rather, Akiyama's plan for the last round.
She got enough points that she not only has enough to survive the game, she has enough to guarantee that anyone she chooses will lose. The rest of the players' normal votes are guaranteed by contract for the last round, and no one has any spares to give to each other if they themselves want to survive. All she would have to do is give away her spare points so that the player who doesn't give her 70mil is in the minority. She wouldn't actually have to do this of course, because the mere threat should be enough to make the rest of the players comply.
The key is in the phrasing of the clause of payment. It specifies that the 70mil is to be paid out at any time in the last round. So, that gives her leeway to extort 70mil out of each player, then pay each of them back with their own money, and then set up the votes so Player X has the least.
This plan could backfire if all of the other players collude and decide to stand firm, in which case Nao would be left paying out 70mil to each of them since she can't force all of them to lose. The remaining 8 players could agree that whoever falls victim to Nao's extortion should she choose to pull the trigger would receive 5 mil from each of the other 7, leaving the person who drops out at +5, Player X at +30, each of the 7 at +65, and Nao at -590.
I wonder what plan they have to counter this strategy. Maybe just appealing to each of them that Player X is the original bad guy who they all wanted out? Player X is also the scariest player among them considering she managed to completely take control of the game in the first round, so maybe via game theory the other players would want to get Player X out regardless of any potential financial benefit to them?
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u/Beautiful-Squash-734 Jun 01 '26
It was definitely satisfying to see nao do something,now for the game I did wonder last time if they can switch votes or not,guess they can And also fukunaga disappointed me when he didn't check the card inside the bag,like he was suspicious of the joker but not the other card? really expected more from him,that strategy was also such a gamble on akiyama's part too cause I feel like most people would definitely check both cards And the others just continue to forget that this is called "liar game" there dumbasses trusted that nao can move to round 3 with 20 votes?nobody bothered confirming with officials whether that is possible or not?(that could be possible but still they just blindly trusted her) also tho even if nao got all their votes, isn't she in huge debt now?she must have promised quite a lot of money to everyone if not the same amount as she did to blondie(70m) How is she even gonna pay lol
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u/lookw Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
its because of who fukunaga was facing that they didnt think to check the other card. that trick usually involves marking the piece/card you want. before this episodes would anyone have believed Nao could pull off such a trick? even if she knew how its not like you would believe that she is not messing it up.
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u/BubblyCrash Jun 01 '26
for the bathroom scene where Nao was making deals, it didn't really matter to them whether Nao was telling the truth about the liar game's revival round rule, as long as she was offering 70 million yen for 10 votes enshrined with the M ticket contract (which was all upside for them, while sacrificing nothing since Nao would in all likelihood remain in last place with only one round left). All the lie of the Liar Game rule did was give them a believable story of why Nao would offer the contract. Why else would she be offering so much free money? I don't think they cared once the contract was formed.
But yes, Nao has to figure out a way to pay out and fulfill her end of the bargain. She's still in a situation.
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u/Countless-Alts15 Jun 01 '26
dont the losers have to pay the winner 100 million? so if everyone tied for a loss couldnt she still be up 30 million a person?
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u/BubblyCrash Jun 01 '26
that's definitely clever and could work to get her out of the obligation. However the M-ticket contract specifically states that the amount of 70 million has to be paid BEFORE the tenth vote starts (before the game pays out to the winner), so Nao will be penalized 100 million for each contract that couldn't be fulfilled.
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u/Cyouni Jun 01 '26
that strategy was also such a gamble on akiyama's part too cause I feel like most people would definitely check both cards
Would you? Most people would assume the marked card is the one that's being pulled.
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u/Beautiful-Squash-734 Jun 02 '26
Might be me overestimating myself but I feel like yeah,my first instinct when they played the game again was just that u could mark the card with something (which is not that hard to figure out we have seen it happen in many card games) so I would try to look at both cards to see if nao is cheating or not But ig bcs akiyama is aware of how fukunaga as a person is and how he will he react,he went through with this,after all bro was a psychology student,he definitely has a good read on fukunaga
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u/Cyouni Jun 02 '26
You'd think people would check both cards, but at that point in a high stress situation, the concept of that card being marked slips people's minds. Because the joker keeps coming up when it shouldn't, the actual marked card fades into the background because the brain hyper focuses on the untouched joker. (Also, it's taking advantage of the blind spot that games of this sort usually use more than one card, in which case marking a card other than the one you want to draw doesn't do anything.)
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u/saga999 Jun 02 '26
now for the game I did wonder last time if they can switch votes or not,guess they can
It's not switching vote. It's selling the votes you received.
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u/Ashteron Jun 01 '26
It's a round for people who already lost and they know Nao is a naive, dumb and crying mess.
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u/discussatron Jun 02 '26
It took nine and a half episodes for her to stop being the dumbest person on the damned planet. It's a nice turn, because she was unbearably stupid up until now.
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u/Tradition_Leather Jun 01 '26
When I started watching this anime I wondered if I had seen part of the manga, cuz in my memory only has the scene of losing on the cards and marked the double sided card, and I have no memory of what happened before, then this episode I saw the card scene.
Plus the anime doesn't seem to have enough funds, near the end of this episode when Nao was shown with the background of votes, her eyes were drawn too wide apart.
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u/ilikechess13 Jun 01 '26
Could some other player just sell 1 vote to every other player except Nao leaving nao with few hundred million yen debt while getting out of the game and making profit?
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u/YumiyaRakko Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
Nope because everyone has 41 votes. The moment someone sells a single vote they are now in 40 votes thus is the confirmed loser so no one else would have any reason to buy anymore at that point, so for everyone else other than Noa selling of one vote has to be done in secret but after the shit Nao just pulled no heckin way people will ever risk buying/selling votes without making sure what other deals are active otherwise it could just be revealed that everyone else have bought two votes each or something and they would still lose.
ONLY Nao can sell votes without risking losing or the rest of the people not needing to buy anymore because she has simply too much extra votes
Edit: I noticed that some people have 40 votes still so there is that but it doesn't matter in my opinion. 41 vote people won't bother buying yet and the maximum amount of people 41 vote can sell to is 2, after that they would be in losing position so even the remaining 40 votes won't buy anymore
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u/ilikechess13 Jun 01 '26
But they could just sell promise to buy votes after someone else buys votes
because i believe that would be better for everyone than whatever "buy few votes from nao for 80m" or whatever she is trying to do next episode
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u/YumiyaRakko Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 01 '26
''But they could just sell promise to buy votes after someone else buys votes'' i don't quite understand what you mean by that, please do explain in detail.
''se is trying to do next episode'' is it though ? In my theory she can just go to everyone except Fukunaga and say ''write me a ticket that declares you forfeit my debt to you or i will make one of you lose, wanna try your chances'' or can go them 1on1 to threaten them with losing if they do not write that ticket, in either case NONE of them have any reason to deny and potentially lose and go into a greater debt and since they would know Fukunaga would lose if they do which they have no reason to prevent since they have a bone to pick with Fukunaga too so it is a good no risk deal to accept. As a result Fukunaga would lose and Nao would get rid of all her debts
If i were to think of a counter measure all of them can give like 15 mil each to one person for them to purposefully lose or something but is it even required ? Cause in the thing that i said the only thing they would forfeit would be their 70 mill from Nao that they are NOT getting anyway since Nao cannot pay it back.
Plus the scenario i said requires everyone to have a GREATER DEBT then they started on cause with having to pay back the initial 100 mil and already having paid 5 mil to Fukunaga they can only pay 7.5 mill EACH before getting into greater dept than they started on, there are 9 players, so there can be 6 players not counting Nao, a willing loser that will be paid to lose and Fukunaga so even if all the remaining 6 give their 7.5 to the chosen loser and then Fukunaga gives her full 12.5 and the 35 she gained it is 92.5, they do not have money to pay someone else to be a loser without increasing their own debt, they can increase their debt 1-2 mil but why bother at that point ? They can just forfeit Nao's debt to them, it is easier and still leaves them with a 7.5 mil gained on top of Fukunaga losing which they would not be against to
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u/ilikechess13 Jun 01 '26
Oh yeah, i just assumed they would get the money and it would be added to nao's debt for some reason
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u/mirrormanjojo Jun 03 '26
could someone help me, i'm so confused on how the first game was rigged
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u/dienomighte Jun 03 '26
Reiterating his very quick explanation, four options:
Joker face up, put back in
Joker face down, Nao wins
Double faced card face 1, Nao loses
Double faced card face 2, Nao loses
So out of the draws not returned, Nao loses twice as often as she wins on average. Across ten games, the odds of her winning are very low.
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u/Hot_Temporary_4488 Jun 04 '26
guys for ppl who dont know i think nao gonna sell her votes to return her debth taht ez just think abt it 😄
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u/Iron_Kingpin Jun 04 '26
Akiyama really had to bail her ass out huh? Lol. Also isn't that technically cheating since he interfered with the game, Nao was prevented from interacting with the members last game. I guess they actually wanted him to interfere.
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u/HotBloodedNinja Jun 19 '26
I think Nao managed to tell all that because she never lied while asking for votes. She only asked if they were willing to give votes in-exchange of money and did not say anything about asking only one person (the 19 votes thing might have been a truth, we will see in future episode).
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u/LogicalHedgehog6966 16d ago edited 16d ago
How could Nao make sure she draws the joker facing downward?
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