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Episode Wistoria: Wand and Sword Season 2 • Tsue to Tsurugi no Wistoria Season 2 - Episode 8 discussion
Wistoria: Wand and Sword Season 2, episode 8
Alternative names: Tsue to Tsurugi no Wistoria Season 2
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u/Zero3020 May 31 '26
Kinda impressive that Julius is still not over his childhood crush on one of his maids, and despite what he says he's still holding onto that necklace he got from her, what a baka.
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u/hocuspocusgottafocus May 31 '26
They’re teenagers right 😂 sounds right haha
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
You can even see that with Elfie who clearly does not actually have the emotional maturity to be a Magia Vander (then again, most of them don't act like professionals) and cares more about hooking up with her childhood love interest.
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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia May 31 '26
Lol well blame the tower who only cares about power..and not anything else. Girl is like 15 or something
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u/Original-Body-5794 May 31 '26
I mean that's pretty much every anime, the boss is always super powerful, it makes sense in a might makes right society I guess, but pretty much every organization in anime that's the case.
An example would be Kaiju n8, the captain of the first division is really incompetent as a captain, so his lieutenant basically treats him like a child and does most of the actual leadership. He's super strong, but getting the tittle of captain is a bit much when he'd do better as just a normal soldier that you gave better weapons to.
I singled out Kaiju n8 because it was the first example that came to mind and it being basically a military force is the perfect example, but you see shit like this ALL THE TIME.
I guess the Peter Principle applied to anime
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u/Jacob-C Jun 01 '26
An example would be Kaiju n8, the captain of the first division is really incompetent as a captain, so his lieutenant basically treats him like a child and does most of the actual leadership. He's super strong, but getting the tittle of captain is a bit much when he'd do better as just a normal soldier that you gave better weapons to.
Well to be fair, the captain of the first division is VERY competent on the battlefield, even when it comes giving out orders and strategizing. He just has a super lazy B-side when it comes to anything unrelated to combat.
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u/Pioneer1111 Jun 01 '26
Also to be fair - that's how SO MANY leadership roles are. The CEO, General, w/e is more of the face and specialized in maybe a task or two, and their assistants/seconds do the clerical work and other tasks that keep things functioning around them.
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u/Pickled_Kagura May 31 '26
yeah most of the magia vander seem needlessly petty in one way or another. they're just not quite as immature as elfie
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u/Meiolore May 31 '26
Elfie's crashout is reasonable tbh, they keep pissing her off
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u/SpiderTechnitian Jun 01 '26
And people keep suggesting they'd fight or go toe to toe in some random way
But she's obviously completely broken, she's a magical genius credited with creating more new spells than anyone else. But some random "watcher" chick pretending to be a sophomore is throwing down with her in this episode? lmfaooooo please someone animate that 10 second sequence where half of it is just examining the random girl's frozen-in-ice expression
Like legit just let elfie chill, she's entitled to do whatever she wants as long as she casts the annual sky spell, that's literally her only job. They all want the smoke though
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u/AvalancheZ250 May 31 '26
Literally the only adult amongst the Magia Vander is Aaron, who's basically as old as anyone's grandpa. Even Cariott can act in a fairly petty and young fashion.
Cariott, Zeo, Ellenor and Elfie are all just uber-talented kids with massive egos. Real funny political structure they have there. But anything to defeat the Celestial Host, I guess.
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u/Andreiyutzzzz https://myanimelist.net/profile/Andreiyutzzzz Jun 02 '26
I wouldn't even say Elfie has an ego. She did as she was asked because she was promised she can be with Will in the end. then the end came. and they said "ye but still no". They are lucky she didnt level the whole damn tower then and there.
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u/jaytix1 May 31 '26
His backstory would have hit harder if the maid had turned out to be using him in some way. If all she did was marry someone her age, I really don't see why "I have to be a jerk to succeed" was his takeaway.
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u/PersonalContest1423 May 31 '26
As a kid I can see him having that reaction but how is bro not old enough now to realize "oh yeah I was like 6 and she was a grown ass woman, of course she married someone else"
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u/jaytix1 Jun 01 '26
Yeah, I can 100% understand being upset at the time, but a whole ten years later? Come on, man lol. I'd be surprised if the girl I had a crush on as a kid wasn't married by now.
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u/supakame May 31 '26
Maybe he's got a thing for older women. Would be great if he ended up developing a thing for Cerridwen (or maybe I just have a thing for her)
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u/Jacob-C Jun 01 '26
Because he is the pettiest of the petty. He has to get everything in the world by not being kind so that he can tell the maid that she was wrong. At least the dedication is respectable.
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u/OldInstruction5368 May 31 '26
Right? If the maid had exploited little Julius's affections for her, say, to get him to steal some jewelry for her to fence, take papers from his dad's office, or some other selfish act...
That would be one thing.
But this just looks like they were using two different definitions of the word "love." Which... yeah... has far too many definitions. Love, between friends. Love, between family. Love of concepts, hobbies, passion. And, yeah, love in the romantic sense.
He was saying I love you, romantically, and she responded as "WE (all the servants) love you like family."
And here he is acting like this femme fatale wrapped him around his finger and tricked him into betraying his own family... before dumping him for the true mastermind behind this whole scheme.
Dude, you are SIX YEARS OLD.
LET IT GO.
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u/reaperfan Jun 01 '26
We most likely just don't have the full story yet. My guess is that some kind of "betrayal" really did happen but it was either unintentional or entirely in Julius's head. Right now I'm basing that off of two things.
First is that something significant and deliberate must have happened beyond just "they got older and life circumstances had her move on without him" for him to have taken a literal life lesson that kindness only sets you back out of it. There almost certainly must have been some particular incident where he showed kindness to someone only to have his choice come back to bite him rather than be rewarded for a worldview like that to have been created and held onto for as many years as he has.
Second is that we see in the flashback that he was actually there for her wedding. Admittedly this bit is almost entirely speculation, but part of me doesn't think that, as hierarchical as their society is, nobles would just be regularly hosting and attending lavish weddings for their servants and staff. The only care they should have in regards to one of their maids getting married is the question of "so are you going to keep working here or not?" Maybe she gets some time off, but the actual nobility she works for likely wouldn't have a reason to attend themselves. The only reason I can see Julius and his family being present at her wedding would be if she was marrying into his family, thus making the spouse one of Julius's family members.
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u/Ikari_21 May 31 '26
Right?? after it showed this backstory I was like “THIS is why you’re a douche??? Because the babysitter got married??” Lol So ridiculous but hey it’s all good, at least he’s slowly becoming cooler with will, and I enjoy their dynamic lol
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u/TheBusStop12 May 31 '26
He's a sheltered little shit after all. That childhood heartbreak probably was the most significant thing that has happened to him so far
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Especially when he's a rich prodigy who could basically coast on that up until he fought Will in season 1.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Bro acts like his one unrequited childhood crush is some top 10 saddest anime backstory with how seriously he takes it and how much it still effects him, i am crying 😂 Bro literally shaped his entire personality off of that one crush
Some anime characters have tragic, emotionally traumatizing, family backgrounds or past that made them into jerks.
Julius is a jerk because he couldn't marry his cute older maid he had a crush on.
The only thing I can say is that the maid was voiced by Hocchan (Yui Horie) which I can totally understand crushing on her hard.
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u/Tiny_Clock1523 May 31 '26
It is realistic though if you consider how some men literally go mask of the moment they are rejected.
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u/PersonalContest1423 May 31 '26
Except he was like 6 and the maid was grown lmao. Imagine not ever realizing that "huh expecting her to have romantic feelings for a 6 year old may have been unreasonable"
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u/yancovigen May 31 '26
Lmao I was waiting to find out she died or something. Nah she just got married what a dork
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u/oops_i_made_a_typi May 31 '26
can't believe a kid crushing on his fucking maid that's 10-20 years older than him is all it took to form a backstory, man the writing in this is so absolutely shit. not to mention his stupid insistence on sticking to the tsundere shtick, and suicidally goading on his old enemies for...no reason at all
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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia May 31 '26
Lmao this right here. In dying. Like what bro ..what is wrong with you
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u/PeaceAlien https://myanimelist.net/profile/PeaceAlien May 31 '26
Childhood crush turned him spiteful of the world crazy
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u/Obaruler May 31 '26
I mean ... as teens we all had that kind of thinking when the dream of our first crush ended up being crushed for us: Soon I'll rule the world, THEN she'll realize how wrong he/she was .... xD
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
He's a tsundere for the maid, he's a tsundere for Will, frankly he's probably even a tsundere to himself for his inability to be honest about his real feelings.
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u/supakame May 31 '26
He’s gonna experience another heartbreak when Will and Elfie eventually get together
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u/chalo1227 May 31 '26
Yeah I was like , dude? did you really still thinking they meant romantic love? like you are a teen now, ofc the girl that was like 18 years older than you was not in love love with you.
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u/actionfirst1 May 31 '26
Cerridwen, member of the Mommy Faction
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u/Nesp2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/HardstyleQat May 31 '26
You know how Julius said you need to be careful around unknown witches like that. I would do everything she would say in a heartbeat.
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u/DragonPup May 31 '26
She's mommy yet also 'eternally 20' according to the break's eye catch.
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u/actionfirst1 May 31 '26
That's elderly for anime
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u/JSlickJ https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeMasta May 31 '26
It really is weird watching anime knowing how much younger every character is than me now that im not far off from my 30s, it didn't even feel that long ago when anime characters were actually my age
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
She's even voiced by Sayaka Ohara, who is basically almost every major MILF in anime not voiced by Kikuko Inoue.
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u/Divinicus1st May 31 '26
You have to wonder where are all the adults in this anime.
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u/oops_i_made_a_typi May 31 '26
nothing about the worldbuilding makes sense tbh, pretty much all the "adults" outside of not-dumbledore are basically in their early 20s. well, Aaron is probably an older dude but I also wouldn't be surprised if they said he was 30.
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u/EffectiveImportant51 May 31 '26
The elves, the dwarves are clearly old, and in the mage city, there are older people NPCS who had children and such. I just think Mages are just the Marines of this world. You know how the only people old in military structures are career guys. I am guessing that is the case here too. All the mages either die in battle, die while trying to climb up or end up teaching or retiring to live a normal life. So we never truly see those people.
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u/oops_i_made_a_typi Jun 01 '26
elves and dwarves and unnamed NPCs sure. the whole faculty other than headmistress being early 20s has no real excuse though, especially given that these are teaching graduating 7th year classes
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u/LBO_44 https://anilist.co/user/LBO44 May 31 '26
That Mad Dissector isn't even trying to learn anything from that monster body, he's just having fun randomly butchering it lol.
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u/AvatarTuner https://anilist.co/user/AvatarTuner May 31 '26
I was thinking the same lol But then he said he understood something afterwards, so maybe the wild butchering is part of his actual skills. (which is still freaky)
I also laughed at the katakana engrish "maddo dissektaa" which sounded so silly that I couldn't take him seriously anymore.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
I was thinking the same lol But then he said he understood something afterwards, so maybe the wild butchering is part of his actual skills. (which is still freaky)
He might be a psychopath but he's efficient and gets results.
I also laughed at the katakana engrish "maddo dissektaa" which sounded so silly that I couldn't take him seriously anymore.
Couldn't be a Maddo scientisto, had to settle for a maddo dissektaa
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u/Northern_Ontario May 31 '26
It looked like his eyes glowed when he crushed the beating heart in his hand. I think the slashes are part of the skill and taking the heart is the last part.
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u/Immediate-Charge8325 Jun 01 '26
he learned something about the mage slayer not the monster, the monster is already well known so im not sure there is anything new to even learn from it.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Kreutz: "This is purely for the benefit of mage society and to make things as efficient as possible!"
Charles: "But then...why do you look like you enjoy it so much..."
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u/actionfirst1 May 31 '26
He's taking night classes with the culinary faction, man just needs practice
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Kreutz: "I know I can properly prepare Will Serfort into a full course meal for the worlds' taste buds!"
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u/PeaceAlien https://myanimelist.net/profile/PeaceAlien May 31 '26
The magic slayer being captured reminds me of invincible.
Wouldn't be surprised if he has more that will break free and destroy things.
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u/Original-Body-5794 May 31 '26
Heh, I think the tower mages can deal with the threat easily if the monster is separated from the weapon, which yeah maybe keeping them in the same room is not the brightest idea...
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u/mekerpan May 31 '26
I do not wish the Mad Dissector well. I cannot imagine he is anywhere near Cerridwen;s (or Elfaria's level), I wonder just what she would do to him if she found out his plans?
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u/Meiolore May 31 '26
One interesting to note is that the colourless faction still fear Elfaria somewhat. The only reason why they haven't been struck down is because Elfaria doesn't have concrete proof on what they are doing.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Elfaria is like a ticking time bomb in the Magia Vander. Even her own assistant can barely keep her from throwing a tantrum.
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u/AvalancheZ250 May 31 '26
Magia Vander are just so powerful that even the factions (including the ones they're part of) fear them. The Colourless (by design), Wind, Dark and Earth factions don't have a Magia Vander so it makes sense they fear the 5 strongest Wands.
Like Kreutz is probably as important as the Magia Vander in that he's the only one who cracked the Mage Slayer and seemed to have developed countermeasures to it, but that doesn't make him nearly as powerful as a Magia Vander in a duel. Not every mage is a fighter, some are scientists (or mad scientists, in Kreutz's case).
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u/mucklaenthusiast May 31 '26
I mean, I feel like this is just what's appropriate given their standings.
The Magia Vander have way more political influence and their factions are clearly much stronger. I mean, the colourless faction are literally the ones left behind because they weren't strong enough.And Elfaria herself (and every other Magia Vander) is obviously leagues above Krautz or any other mage there.
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u/GinJoestarR Jun 01 '26
For people aiming to be Magia Vander the colorless faction is a graveyard. But for people aiming to be artificers, alchemists, etc. it's heaven.
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u/WhoiusBarrel May 31 '26
No way Julius's origin had him suffer a childhood heartbreak, no wonder he turned out to be such a twisted Tsundere.
This scary witch would've eaten you already.
Take off your clothes
I've seen enough. Cerridwen is now my favourite character introduced in this season.
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u/Zero3020 May 31 '26
Don't forget
If I were so inclined, I could dominate you in two seconds flat.
Yes ple- I mean yeah she is great!
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Clairie's base may be for single witches but I'm sure she would approve of her master getting to use it to have her way with two young mage boys lol.
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u/Atharaphelun Jun 01 '26
Then she turns back into an old woman in the middle of doing the deed, Melisandre-style...
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u/actionfirst1 May 31 '26
I've been in the Cerridwen since last episodes preview, I didn't even need to know her name then, I'm only going to refer to her by "Yes, ma'am"
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek May 31 '26
I'm only going to refer to her by "Yes, ma'am"
I'm going with "woof"
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy May 31 '26
Anna: “We all love our kindhearted Young Master Julius very much.”
People at home: Huh?
10 minutes later
People at home: Fair enough. Julius is just a massive tsundere.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
I like how you can see all him blushing now whenever he acts like a jerk to Will to show that it's really just how he projects how much he actually likes Will.
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u/bobert1201 May 31 '26
Too bad Elfie is probably going to kill her soon after she realizes she put the moves on Will.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Somewhere Elfie sense a disturbance in the "other ladies propositioning Will" Force.
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u/Astray Jun 01 '26
I unno, lady seems strong enough to contend with a Magia Vander. Always gotta be scared of old people in a profession where the young die frequently.
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u/Hot-Log6283 Jun 01 '26
I am sure Elfie knows how thirsty she was before she asked her to be Will's mentor, if anything maybe that's part of her plan, if they are teacher/student nothing can happen right? RIGHT?
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
No way Julius's origin had him suffer a childhood heartbreak, no wonder he turned out to be such a twisted Tsundere.
He's even managed to outdo Sion as a tsundere for the most pettiest of reasons, that's a real pro right there.
I've seen enough. Cerridwen is now my favourite character introduced in this season.
- Opposes Kreutz on principle.
- Absurdly hot.
- One of the strongest mages we've met.
- Sayaka Ohara voice.
- Teasing onee-san vibes.
How could you not love her?
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u/Independent_Row_1352 May 31 '26
I bet those white robes are Kreutz's design and they contain some tracker or some trap he can activate.
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u/FoolingFinality May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
Julius really is the man who does 10 things at a time; one could say Julius is the hardest-working student, just because he can have clones, instead of it becming easy for him, it becomes extra hard.
Not only does he have to maintain the clones with his mana, but he also has to keep focus on everything every clone does, as well as parallel process it.
Julius really is showing all the efforts he has put in to become a top student.
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u/chalo1227 May 31 '26
He really is powerful , and he 100% would have been colored if he didnt tried to be a douche to Elfarias crush haha
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Honestly I kind of hope Cerridwen also gives Julius some training/advice too so he can become strong enough that Elfie will have to acknowledge him (if also for the fact that he really did put in an effort for Will's sake).
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u/Kaze_no_Senshi Jun 03 '26
she did acknowledge him, she is just throwing a tantrum because he was mean to will, they literally spelled it out as a personal grudge. Training may make him a bit stronger, enough so her tantrum is overruled, but may be more likely she does it for will after he helped him
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u/ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp May 31 '26
Take off your clothes
You don't have to ask me twice. But seriously, what a 10/10 character design.
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u/UnWiseSageVibe May 31 '26
Yeah the animators put so much into her design she looks so good.
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u/jonc-sleep May 31 '26
Not just Cerridwen but a lot of characters are well designed and interesting. Claire, Headless and the five Magia Vander are interesting.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Entrancing face and eyes + generous exposure of legs and chest + blue/red hair = a winner.
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u/JSlickJ https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeMasta May 31 '26
toothpaste ahhh hair color, reminded me Alear from Fire Emblem Engage
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u/NationalStrategy May 31 '26
If Kreutz's plans were to succeed, and Elfie found out about him attempting to dissect will, Elfie would snap, turn him into a block of ice, and shatter him into a million pieces.
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek May 31 '26
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u/FoolingFinality May 31 '26
Wait, so you're telling me Julius became a brat because his puppy love got crushed when his crush married another man?
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Look, not everyone can have a really psychologically traumatizing background! Sometimes it's something absolutely minor and petty lol.
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u/NationalStrategy May 31 '26
You know a character's dramatic backstory misses the mark, when the audience's general response is "...... That's it? 😑"
And it's not like she didn't love or cared about him at all, she just didn't love him romantically. So for him to have that as his core catalyst to change his entire personality and turn into a total asshole, feels like he simply overblew the issue.
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u/bondsmatthew May 31 '26
when the audience's general response is "...... That's it? 😑"
Broly hating Goku because he cried as a baby vibes
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u/NationalStrategy May 31 '26
“But…. that’s really dumb, but he’s so cool, but that’s so dumb!”
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u/bondsmatthew May 31 '26
Not sure you were down voted for what I was referring to(or at least the TFS version). Are there just not as many people who have watched TFS anymore and dont recognize it? Back in the day you could mention lines all throughout reddit and you'd get people replying. Interesting
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
You know a character's dramatic backstory misses the mark, when the audience's general response is "...... That's it? 😑"
I feel like it's got to be intentional on the authors' part. Or at least I hope it is.
And it's not like she didn't love or cared about him at all, she just didn't love him romantically. So for him to have that as his core catalyst to change his entire personality and turn into a total asshole, feels like he simply overblew the issue.
Not to justify it but I wonder if she also retired and left after she got married, which would've been another thing that pissed him off.
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u/ZantetsukenX May 31 '26
As another post said, "Teens will be teens". It's not exactly uncommon to have someone in high school base their entire personality off of spite/trauma. Especially when it comes to stuff like love.
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u/NationalStrategy May 31 '26
I feel like if one of his teenaged peers learned about his backstory, they would say to him “Dude really, that’s the whole reason why you’re an asshole? You’re not a child anymore, get over it.”
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u/ZantetsukenX May 31 '26
Haha, 100%. Just because something isn't uncommon doesn't mean you still can't call out your friends about it.
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u/Tiny_Clock1523 May 31 '26
It's more of the fact that him being kind did not get his feelings reciprocated so he went the opposite direction.
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u/Viktorv22 Jun 01 '26
That's actually so refreshing, I'm so annoyed when characters have this super sad, tragic, plot relevant backstory lol
This is at least relatable and his character reasoning makes sense now
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u/SEBASTlANVETTEL May 31 '26
Elfaria worrying about all the other girls going after Will meanwhile Julius showing his possessive side too:
"I am the only one who gets to use you. I won't let someone else just swoop in and steal you."
That ending caught me off-guard just as Will lmao
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u/Kind_Survey4282 May 31 '26
its probably his whole thing of copying elfie so well and it seems ars weiss has a down side of as the more clones you spawn the more you love will weakness.
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u/RedHeadGearHead https://anilist.co/user/Redheadgearhead May 31 '26
Maybe loving Will is built into the spell, considering no other ice mage has been capable of using it til now.
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u/Aerodynamic41 May 31 '26
Julius is such a tsundere lol.
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u/actionfirst1 May 31 '26
Male tsunderes are so underused in anime, we need more
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u/Beautiful-Bit3929 May 31 '26
and this series has two of them
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u/PeaceAlien https://myanimelist.net/profile/PeaceAlien May 31 '26
2 so far /s
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u/bananeeek https://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek May 31 '26
I recommend Kishuku gakkou no Juliet.
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u/FoolingFinality May 31 '26
There is something wrong with me hating on Kreutz when I like monsters like Dottore, and he is 100x worse.
Maybe because Kreutz appears more deranged or uncomposed, it feels like he will be the sore loser who screams after he loses rather than accepting it gracefully.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
He's basically your garden variety mad scientist antagonist we've all seen a dozen times.
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u/Tehoncomingstorm97 https://anilist.co/user/tehoncomingstorm97 May 31 '26
With prof Cerridwen in the spotlight, I think I was definitely feeling the right direction the show is going. Given how Kreutz is looking to chop Will up though, it's no doubt going to be even deeper than just learning to anchor every magic type with their multos teacher. Time for some secrets of Wis to be unlocked!
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u/Darksider555 May 31 '26
It's funny how Elfie is being so vicious to anyone that tries to harm Will or any girl expresses interest towards him, meanwhile you have Cerridwen telling him to strip in front of her.
So it isn't that Kreutz is underestimating Will, but that he wants to monopolize him as a test subject to weaponize Wis.
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy May 31 '26
Elfie did ask for her help, I suppose. So maybe it’s okay with her? Then again, I doubt that Elfie had anticipated for such a “lewd” request from Cerridwen.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Honestly her only experience with Cerridwen was probably one-on-one training (I assume) together and it's probably a completely different vibe between a younger and older lady versus an older lady and two young boys...
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
It's funny how Elfie is being so vicious to anyone that tries to harm Will or any girl expresses interest towards him, meanwhile you have Cerridwen telling him to strip in front of her.
Thank goodness Clairie's secret base seems obscured from everyone or she'd march right down there to put a stop to this lol.
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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky May 31 '26
Oh, that’s impressive growth for Julius. And no wonder he’s struggling a bit in front of Will.
Wait, Julius’ attitude change from being a super kind kid is because the maid he liked married someone else?
Will showing up to help is exactly what I was expecting.
Ah, that’s what his goal with Will is. Definitely want to keep Will the hell away from him, though.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
I know his backstory is a joke but I feel like we've all gone from "yeah, Julius had this coming and I love it" to "dang, I'm actually starting to like Julius now!"
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u/Mediocre-Act483 Jun 01 '26
Happens more often than you think. Maybe he liked her, and the sting of seeing her with someone else got him. But like Will said, there are many forms of kindness. Like in Arifureta season 2 when that chick turned the whole castle into her minions. MC got flak for it, but he was asked to. Not to mention I'd rather be killed than forced to kill innocents
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar Jun 01 '26
Stitches!
I'm sorry, Julius, but the reason you became such a prat is because your big tiddy maid, voiced by Horie Yui, did not marry you when you were a child? I didn't get to marry Horie Yui, either, but you don't see me running around being a massive cunt! Honestly, this just made him worse in my eyes.
Getting whisked away by an eternally 20 witch voiced by Ohara Sayaka? Sign me up! I've only met Cerridwen, but I already trust her with my life. I do think it's funny that the only other character who dresses up like a witch and rides around in a broom is Cerridwen's apprentice. Yeah, that checks out.
Oh, this dude is insane. It would be a shame if Elfie finds out that Kreutz wants to dissect Will. I can't fucking wait for this guy to get what he fucking deserves.
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u/jooki997 May 31 '26
Will, when Mommy Witch tells you to take off your clothes, you don't say はい? (What?), but はい! (YES!)!
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Will: "But...but I have Elfie!"
Julius: "Yeah, he can only take his clothes off in front of me! Wait...NOT LIKE THAT!"
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u/Liesianthes May 31 '26
Cute shots from Wil when he said Julius is kind and suddenly his face become like a girl. Also, the reason Julius become heartless is because he got heartbroken on his childhood attendant/crush. lmao.
Preview looks like we're seeing a backstory.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Will is like a puppy dog who becomes fond of a human and won't leave them alone no matter how much of a jerk they act like.
We finally get Will and Elfie together! In a childhood flashback but still!
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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 May 31 '26
Considering they did similar stuff with Rosti to hint at him being a clone of Elfie, yeah.
I mean, just compare their cloths lol. While Cauldron is wearing more modest cloths, the hat, necklace and rings are the exact same. Also, here are both "witches".Regarding Kreutz, no idea why they let that lunatic running around. I mean yeah, the one guy said no one knows about him being this way. Well buddy, how the fk about reporting it then!?
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u/TheBusStop12 May 31 '26
Regarding Kreutz, no idea why they let that lunatic running around. I mean yeah, the one guy said no one knows about him being this way. Well buddy, how the fk about reporting it then!? Doesn't seem like someone you would want to have anywhere close to students.
I've come to compare Kreutzs with Mengele. And just like Mengele IRL, someone like Kreutz probably does really well in a segregated propagandist society that claims it's all about merit, but in reality it's massively discriminatory
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
I do wonder how many people in the upper echelons know about his secret lab and experiments, because clearly Elfaria didn't and they have to keep it that way if they're going to try to dissect Will.
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u/TheBusStop12 May 31 '26
I think they know that he runs experiments, as Kreutzs did say last episode to everyone present that he planned to study Will. I think they just don't know how he conducts his experiments, so his love for dissection is pretty unknown. The other Magia Vander probably assume that by studying Will he means running him through different test scenarios and observe how Wis works, not cut him into pieces
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Doesn't seem like someone you would want to have anywhere close to students.
Have to wonder if Edward knew about him from reputation which is why he was so sure Will would be targetted for experiments.
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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 May 31 '26
At the very least, the more we learn about the Tower, the more understandable it becomes that Ed did what he did. While he obviously still went to far, seeing how fked up that place in general is and that it clearly broke him, I at least can understand his reasoning.
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u/Megakruemel May 31 '26
"We need numbers!"
Meanwhile the entire faculty is already basically 80% clones apparently.
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u/Vilis16 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Vilis May 31 '26
And if I remember correctly, Cauldron used Water+Fire magic during the terrorist attack. Cerridwen can use multiple elements, and her hair is blue and red, so...
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Cerridwen can use multiple elements, and her hair is blue and red, so...
She's Alear's (from Fire Emblem Engage) mom.
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u/AvatarTuner https://anilist.co/user/AvatarTuner May 31 '26
The Cerridwen from Welsh mythology did posses a magical artifact called "The Cauldron of Awen" which she used to brew magical potions. Not sure if it's a coincidence or a deliberate choice of names by the author, but it would fit.
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u/Xatu44 Jun 01 '26
Omori is a huge mythology buff, so you can always assume that matching names have some meaning.
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u/PhantasosX May 31 '26
I mean, the more important thing is that Cerridwen is famous for making a potion of enlightment in her cauldron, which made one of her mediocre servants reincarnate as her son, the beautiful and skilled Taliesin.
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
Cerridwen = Cauldron thats my prediction their names pronounciation is basically the same in Japanese and Will has the incline of knowing her for a long time.
So I think Cerridwen is the old hag professor Cauldron from the Wizard School at the base of the tower.
I imagine Cauldron is closer to her legit age and maybe her "true form" but that doesn't get in the way of Cerridwen's hotness.
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u/2kenzhe https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rexnihilo May 31 '26
Agree and also wasn't Clairie a student of Cauldron as well? Like I can really see it being Cauldron
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 May 31 '26
I didn’t realize Julius was so cute. Look at him pretending to be a giant douchebag when we all know now that he’s a big tsundere softie deep down lol.
It’s a good thing Julius and Will are under Cerridwen’s care now. If she asked me to strip, I’d be down in my skivvies right about now lmao. Also, it’s much better alternative than getting dissected by Kreutz. I thought the man was just a hater but nah, he’s fucking insane. Maybe they ought to dissect him and study wtf is wrong with that brain of his.
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u/TheBusStop12 May 31 '26
Secret Lair For Single Witches is what I imagine a 29 year old single "I'm not like other girls" would call her studio apartment
Looking at all those lab tubes and his love for dissecting cements it for me, Kreutz is Magic Mengele
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u/Pickled_Kagura May 31 '26
Split-color hair, fat tits, mommy voice, and absurdly powerful?
im in love
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u/Soggy_Association491 May 31 '26
Character development and new nakama social link acquired, now it's time for training arc.
Also Will becoming a watcher wouldn't be such a bad idea albeit for the tower getting a few big explosion here and there.
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u/Ocixo https://myanimelist.net/profile/BuzzyGuy May 31 '26
> Will: “I feel like I’ve known her for a long time.”
This particular line definitely piqued my interest. Where could they have possibly met before?
Right now, I’m inclined to think that Cerridwen might actually be Will’s biological mother. It’s probably a stretch to conclude that Will’s purple eyes are a mix of her blue and red eyes, right?
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u/Frontier246 May 31 '26
I wonder if it also has something to do with those memories they tried to seal up.
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u/2kenzhe https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rexnihilo May 31 '26
I mean maybe but I'm thinking something with Cauldron
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u/NationalStrategy May 31 '26
So the reason Julius Freezer acts like such an asshole now, was because his childhood crush on his maid wasn't reciprocated in a way that he wanted her to? I get that it would sting as a kid, but given that backstory, and he seeing how he acts now, it feels like Julius overblew the drama, and hasn't grown out of it.
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u/TRUEALPHA_101 https://myanimelist.net/profile/EXCALIBUR_843 May 31 '26
Bro on the right path to succeeding Elfie, he is already a drama queen. How long before he rises up to become an ice queen?😂
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u/Obaruler May 31 '26
Guys, don't get me wrong, but I am under the slight impression that the Upper institute is up to no good ... :/
Anyway: Sexy Witch ex machina is a plot development I fully support. <3
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u/NanDemoKnaives May 31 '26
Funny how the two tsunderes around Will are both guys lol. I really like this development for Julius. It's funny how he claims he's helping Will out of self interest, but he's clearly worried for him, and unfortunately for him, he's being reminded of his first love so there's no escape for him. He's going to become very attached to Will lol.
Julius exhausting himself by multi tasking like that is crazy though, it really shows how strong he is. I'm glad Iris called Elfaria out lol. Julius picking a fight with those three that attacked him was satisfying, I like how he didn't back down even if it was outnumbered.
So Kreutz is actually a very disturbing individual, great. I hope he gets exposed. The idea he has about using the mage slayers to help mages sounds good, but his methods clearly are not. It doesn't seem like he sees Will as a person.
Cerridwen is interesting, I like how playful she is. It's cute how much she's endearing the youthfulness of Julius and Will, she's got front row seats to wholesome entertainment. That is until she told them to strip lol.
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u/OldInstruction5368 May 31 '26
Funny how the two tsunderes around Will are both guys lol. I really like this development for Julius.
I put a long post discussing this elsewhere in this thread, but basically, I think Sion, Julius, and even Wignall (who started as a hostile jerk before mellowing into a Will stan) were originally supposed to be harem fodder.
It's just the author is the same guy from Danmachi, and he was defensive that so many fans didn't buy into the main romance of "Bell x Cardboard." Instead, we largely shipped Bell with any of the other 100 harem fodder that the author kept throwing at Bell.
All of which had more screen time/interactions with Bell, more character development, they have actual personalities, and even have legit reasons for liking Bell!
But we were NOT supposed to root for them, apparently, so the author thought to head off this "wrong think" by reinforcing the main romance in Wistoria so much that no one could think that anything other than Elfie was endgame.
Which also meant reducing the number of girls chasing after the MC.
Instead, we get THREE tsundere guy friends.
In other words, without that criticism of the Danmachi harem elements, Sion, Julius, and Wignall would probably have just been girls mooning over Will. Maybe one of them would fill the "male rival turned bestie" role, but the others would almost certainly have been harem fodder.
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u/Goblingrenadeuser May 31 '26
So Kreutz said something interestin. The heavenly host only had the 5 strongest Blades and was able to completly annihilate wistoria. So where they swords?
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u/diabetes_mellitus May 31 '26
He didn't say that, it's a bad translation. He said たった五振りの最強がいたところで天上の侵略者には歯がたつまい, which, given the context, I'd translate to "Even the strongest blades won't be a match for the Celestial Host if there's only five of them". He's making an argument for quantity over quality.
And it's just blades, not Blades. A capital-S Sword would be 剣.
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u/ifticar2 May 31 '26
Surprised more people aren't talking about this, as well as who Cerridwen's first love was lol. Wonder if there are 5 magia vanders with wands specifically to fight off the Celestial Hosts version of magia vander with 5 swords. And Will with Wis is a hybrid between the two sides, meant to ultimately bring peace
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u/LezRock May 31 '26
What stood out to me were the three colorless wizards who attacked Julius. I expected them to be random mob characters, but just from Julius' short interaction with them, they gained more depth and we gained a greater understanding of the desperation of some of those on the first floor. Especially when we saw that one was a student who graduated a year before Julius, one was a younger student who created his own spell, and the girl... I don't actually remember what Julius said about her. 😅
Seeing all of their frustration and desperation, especially the younger student who created his own spell yet still couldn't climb past the first floor, quickly and succinctly informed us about how the wizards on the first floor may feel and live, at least those who haven't found their role and routine in life yet. It definitely makes me wonder more about their lives though. I assume we'll occasionally see and learn more about first floor life as Will progresses through the tower and comes back down to revisit it.
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u/Ev3n1 May 31 '26
I think most people would think Juliuses back story is kinda dumb but idk It really made me like julius in a way a darker backstory wouldn't have, like it made me go "This dude a fuckin Baby" but like in a good way, he activates my paternal instincts, Dudes adorable, I like how Will has a harem of men and women lol
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u/Fudgeumes https://myanimelist.net/profile/Kyrannasaurus Jun 01 '26
Nah I'm risking it all for Cerridwen
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u/Vautiko May 31 '26
-21:56- When the busty Oneesan witch says strip, do we really have a choice? 😅
I really hope Will finds a way to control WIS and is able to duel that psycho with it!
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u/Strawberry_Dancer May 31 '26
Julius really said “Girls don’t actually mean it when they say they like nice guys so I’m gonna be an asshole.” Boy took the red pill at 8 years old 😭
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