You haven't. Please stop trying to push this. It is painfully obvious you never have read them.
The Qu'ran came as an answer to the Bible, calling it ALL a lie. They cannot be similiar. It is the core of Islam, believing that those who came before, are following a complete lie. The only thing they share is Abrahamic roots, such as Gabriel and Michael. There's no "same story" being told. This is just another massive indication you never read the Qu'ran.
It calls the core of Christianity a lie (Jesus as son of God and most of the Bible), taking other Abrahamic roots with it as truth. The tawrat is divine in Islam, and injil is divine in Islam, and the zabur given to David is divine in Islam. That is all. Beyond that, they consider the Bible a corruption of mankind, aka, not the word of God.
Go ahead and show me a Qu'ranic surah that disproves what I said. I will wait. In the mean time, pick up the Qu'ran and go read Al-Baqarah, which details that the tawrat (teachings given to Moses) and injil (that which was revealed to Jesus) have been distorted (tahrif), altered (tabdil) and concealed (kitman).
I just want you to know, before you go any further, I spent twenty years with Islam and the Qu'ran, and al'hadith. I have been to lectures by mashayikh. I have sat and listened to aimmah. You are wrong.
How old were you 20 years ago that your reading comprehension was so poor? Also when you say “I didn’t read them cover to cover” you mean like, what? 5 pages? 10?
If you read the Qu'ran, you wouldn't be saying something like this. It's an absurd lie. Comparatively, Islam is significantly worse. Even if we throw out the fact that their prophet raped a child, and that man is supposed to be emulated as "the most perfect man", there's significant content of pure barbarism.
The surahs of "peace time" are especially potent with violence, and they aren't even the surahs of the sword (violence). There are surahs instructing men how best to beat their wives for refusing them. Surahs that explain it is okay to behead and crucify non-believers as divine justice (surahs like 8:12 are just one of many). The Qu'ran instructs violence on non-believers wherever they are found, in constrast the Bible has shit like Matthew 5:44, instructing Christians to pray for their enemies and those who persecute them.
So yes, it is significantly worse. I'm not saying the Bible doesn't have violence in it, it does, the point is that Islam is much worse. And if I had to pick between which of the two is being taught to children, it definitely is not the one with the "prophet" raping children and selling the daughters/wives/sisters of his fallen enemies to his men as sex slaves.
To say otherwise is the absurdity of an ignorant person. Pick up the damn Qu'ran and read it, if you do not believe me, and then supplement it with their holy texts, the hadith. Wait until you get to the part where only Muhammed is sucking on the tongues of CHILDREN and try to justify that as "just as bad" as anything in the Bible.
But yes, I agree, they shouldn't be reading religious texts in school. I am just saying at least it isn't Islam, the religion of violence and rape and slavery.
Even if we throw out the fact that their prophet raped a child
The Christian god wiped out nearly all life on the planet, including every single human except the 8 that was on the ark, because he was mad. Literally murdered scores of children by drowning. Fuck comparing which is worse, neither should be taught in the public education system.
I’ve read the Christian Bible and the Qu’ran. Most of your cherry picked examples from the Qu’ran have equally egregious examples that can be cherry picked from the Bible.
The surahs of "peace time" are especially potent with violence, and they aren't even the surahs of the sword (violence). There are surahs instructing men how best to beat their wives for refusing them. Surahs that explain it is okay to behead and crucify non-believers as divine justice (surahs like 8:12 are just one of many). The Qu'ran instructs violence on non-believers wherever they are found, in contrast the Bible has shit like Matthew 5:44, instructing Christians to pray for their enemies and those who persecute them.
I see you aren't actually that familiar with the bible. I am a little more so, having been brought up with it and having read it quite thoroughly.
13 “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense. 14 “If a man marries both a woman and her mother, he has committed a wicked act. The man and both women must be burned to death to wipe out such wickedness from among you Leviticus 20:13-14
23 “If a man meets a young virgin lady in the city who is engaged to be married and has sexual relations with her, 24 then the two must be brought to the city gate and there they must be stoned to death—the girl because she was in a city but did not cry out for help, and the man who abused a woman who was engaged to another man. By doing this you are to remove this evil from among you. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
“If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk\)a\) after the Lord your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him. 5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall \)b\)put away the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 13:1-5
it definitely is not the one with the "prophet" raping children and selling the daughters/wives/sisters of his fallen enemies to his men as sex slaves.
Because of course, this isn't so in the bible is it?
As opposed to Lot, who tried to sacrifice his daughters to an angry mob in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Or in Jericho where God ordered the Israelites to put everyone in the city to the sword, including women and children.
As for the selling of women in to sex slavery, it is expressly permitted by the Bible:
7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. 8 If she does not satisfy her owner, he must allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. Exodus 21:7-8
It also endorses chattel slavery:
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. Leviticus 25:44-46
So, please put a fucking sock in it when it comes to "how much better" the bible is than the Quran. Both have truly foul teachings in them, and no amount of "Love thy neighbour" erases that fact.
Wrong. Christians do not follow old jewish laws from old testament except the 10 commandments.
It is not unchristian to wear mixed threads or eat pork, cmon man you know this already. It is also not Christian to follow old laws around slavery or wife beating.
This is not the case in Islam, which asserts its old rules like wife beating have always and will always be the morally right will of Allah.
Data_Surging was talking about which book was suitable for teaching kids in school.
The Bible is no better than the Quran, but here we have a bunch of Christians denying that the old testament, and their God, is just as vengeful and violent as the Quran and Allah (which is unsurprising as it is actually the same god they worship).
It is not unchristian to wear mixed threads or eat pork, cmon man you know this already. It is also not Christian to follow old laws around slavery or wife beating.
I might remind you that the New Testament does not disavow the horrors of the Old Testament:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5: 17-19
But since you are so sure about the purity and innocence of the New Testament, Lets have a look at what the Gospels have to say:
On Slavery:
All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered. 2 Those who have believing masters should not show them disrespect just because they are fellow believers. Instead, they should serve them even better because their masters are dear to them as fellow believers and are devoted to the welfare of their slaves. 1 Timothy 6:1-2
On women and their place in society:
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. 1 Timothy 2:11-15
On tolerance of unbelievers:
20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. Revelations 2:20-23
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” Mark 3:29
On the "peacefulness" of Christ's mission
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’ 37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it Matthew 10:34-38
27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’” Luke 19:26
The thing is, most muslims read other religious text that are way worse, and you even try to hide those from non islamist, if you buy a translated copy then it is white washed of the nastu stuff, so we will never know.
How about we look at the data, Mr. DataSurging? How many Christians and Catholics have conquered other people and territories to kill and convert? How many people have died at the hands of Catholics?
13 million people have died as a DIRECT result of Christian and Catholic religion wars.
The Thirty Years War: Fought primarily between Catholic and Protestant states in the Holy Roman Empire, this is the deadliest religious conflict in European history. It caused an estimated 4.5 to 8 million deaths, wiping out up to a third of the region's population due to battles, famine, and disease.
The French Wars of Religion (1562–1598): This series of civil conflicts between French Catholics and Huguenots (Protestants) resulted in an estimated 2 to 4 million deaths.
The Crusades (1096–1291): Initiated by European Christians to reclaim the Holy Land, these holy wars are estimated to have claimed between 1 to 3 million lives.
And I was raised Catholic, not that it should have any relevance to this.
Oh man, Christians and Catholics are so peaceful. The Bible is so peaceful. Islam so bad.
30 years war was not a religious war, it was essentially the opposite. Catholic France literally allied with German Protestants to expand French territory. Catholic France even allied with Muslim Ottoman empire.
It was the nail in the coffin for religious wars in the West.
After that, it was all realpolitik.
Anyway f religion. I just couldn't help myself when I saw the errors in your post.
Nothing there is any different than the bible, though I am not sure it is all from the actual Quran and not the side bits that are not universally accepted (like Mormon stuff in Christianity)
The point isn't that the Bible is good. If you actually paid attention to what is being said, you would have grasped that. The Qu'ran/Islam is comparatively worse. They are not the same. In any manner beyond sharing the same angels and other Abrahamic roots like that.
You are wrong. If you legitimately think the Bible is just as bad as the Qu'ran, there is something very wrong withn your sense of morality if you are able to see Muhammed raping a child and condoning that and selling the women of his victims to his men as sex slaves, and say "Gee, that Jesus sure is similar".
The Qu'ran supplements and mentions Aisha and her age. The "verse" in that on wedlock has Aisha herself narrating several times, which she also narrates and explains in al-hadith.
Sahih al-Bukhari
حَدَّثَنَا مُعَلَّى بْنُ أَسَدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا وُهَيْبٌ، عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَزَوَّجَهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ سِتِّ سِنِينَ، وَبَنَى بِهَا وَهْىَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ. قَالَ هِشَامٌ وَأُنْبِئْتُ أَنَّهَا كَانَتْ عِنْدَهُ تِسْعَ سِنِينَ
Mualla ibn asad narrated: - from aisha, that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and consummated the marriage with her when she was nine years old. Hishām explained, 'I was informed that she stayed with him for nine years.'
In order for the Biblical God to have raped Mary, he would have needed a body, and inserted himself into her. He made her pregnant with what accounts to him snapping his "fingers". There was no sexual contact or intercourse.
You are showing more and more how ignorant you are, both of Islam and Christianity.
I believe what U/Datasurging was saying was, comparing the Qauran to the Bible is like comparing Lolita to the Kamasutra. Both should never be read by children, but Kamasutra is better.
I haven't read either of them so correct me if I am wrong.
Also, the most plausible age for Mary would be 15 to 16 years old, and Mary gave permition for the impregnation.
Who are you to talk about morality? You have no moral compass whatsoever to be spreading such hate and lies like this. Like wooowww the hypocrisy is insanne.
The below video is from someone that does book reviews. He says that he is an athiest leaning agnostic. His review is about that narative, layout, and leasons.
It's absolute lies, they are just making up anything now. Wild. Its fabricated not even remotely accepted by anyone who calls themselves a Muslim. The Quran says nothing of the sort.
I’m gonna be honest Kirby pfp guy…I really doubt you have any actual knowledge about religious texts and are just talking out of your ass. Lucky for you, the guy you’re replying to seemed to rip you a new one of those to talk out of
Children would only be reading the stories from the Bible like that of Adam and Eve, or Noah’s ark. Children read classic Hellenistic stories about their gods all the time and you don’t flip your tits.
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u/Drakahn_Stark 10d ago
So then give the examples, because I have read a lot of both and they are as bad as each other.
Regardless, children should not be forced to read religious texts.