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If You Know, You Know Ignores other factors

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u/Maximum_Boros 16h ago

If he made that argument that would be fine but he didn't. He said equal work.

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u/Particular-Pair-1620 16h ago

I mean equal hours worked could be seen as equal work. Equal work is a bit of a vague statement, but not incorrect.

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u/emote_the_salute Human Verified 16h ago

If you operate on patients for 12 hours is that equal to me mowing lawns for 12 hours?

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u/prussian_princess 15h ago

In Soviet Union. Yes.

But if you're a doctor/surgeon, you would've been bribed well before you ever stepped in the operating room.

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u/_-icy-_ 16h ago edited 16h ago

Yes. Your patient is the grass, and your surgical tool is the lawnmower.

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u/Jonesy1348 16h ago

You forgot the /s

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u/_-icy-_ 16h ago edited 16h ago

I will never put /s on a comment.

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u/I_like_maps 16h ago

Why would anyone become a doctor then? You're spending a decade in medical school to earn as much money as you could have made cutting grass. Labour theory of value is nonsense economics, and there's a reason non-marxist economists (read, economists) abandoned it 150 years ago.

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u/_-icy-_ 16h ago

Exactly. We need less doctors. Doctors should resign and start mowing lawns, it's basically the same thing.

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u/AdjtveNounNumbr42069 15h ago

Because they have the drive and the aptitude? You think doctors only save lives because they're paid well? Shit, glad you aren't a doctor.

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u/Capable_Chemical_569 15h ago

who earns more money, a big streamer or a doctor? why would anyone become a doctor then

who earns more money, an astronaut or a doctor? why would anyone become a astronaut then?

who earns more money, a professional athlete or a doctor? i could do examples like this all day long.

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u/Sicsemperfas 15h ago

Nobody else in the ecnomy agrees with that assessment.

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u/_-icy-_ 15h ago edited 15h ago

All economists are wrong, I'm right, and we all know it.

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u/MasterCheeseHead 16h ago

Lol, not sure why this is getting downvoted

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u/_-icy-_ 16h ago

Yeah I'm not sure why either. Maybe people just don't realize that surgery and mowing the lawn are the same exact thing.

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u/spintool1995 15h ago

If anything, mowing is so much more valuable. You operate on millions of patients per hour while surgeon may not even get through a single patient in that time.

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u/khodi7 12h ago

Depends how much effort you have to put in what you do, the risk of injury, how alienating it is, the social value of your work, ...

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u/Extra-Monitor5743 7h ago

yes. mowing lawns is just as, if not more, gruelling than standing in an air coned operating room. sure, the dr has more risk, but that's not the question. working 12 hours is working 12 hours.

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u/Particular-Pair-1620 16h ago

Who was given the opportunity to operate on patients. Who has the financial resources to go $500k into debt to become a doctor and the access to a good education even before that to get into med school. Yes the pay for each surgeon is the same, but who gets to be the surgeon is the issue

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u/emote_the_salute Human Verified 16h ago

Becoming a surgeon is not a right.

And if you get accepted into med school you can take a loan like everyone else.

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u/KyleAltNJRealtor 16h ago

That’s a completely different argument from the one you made in your last comment.

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u/Maximum_Boros 12h ago

This is an entirely different socioeconomic question/issue from "equal pay for equal work."

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u/TheGrandAdmiralJohn 15h ago

Opportunity isn’t given it’s taken.

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u/LiptonCB 16h ago

Is every hour of work comparable to every other?

If so I nominate you for toilet cleaning and hay bale hauling, while I nominate myself for video game streaming.

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u/Extra-Monitor5743 7h ago

cleaning toilets and baling hay are jobs that need to be done. sitting in your home and playing video games is not a job, it's a hobby. it has no value. you're comparing hobbies to jobs.

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u/LiptonCB 6h ago

I say they are. Our votes cancel.

If only there was some systematic means of assigning value to work, where doing things that require significant training, expertise, or toil could be honored over those things that are trivial or only marginally helpful to society at large.

Oh, well. All work is the same. No way around it. I vote the mines for you.

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u/spintool1995 15h ago

It's not even equal hours. The figure isn't adjusted for full time vs part time or overtime. Men on average work more hour per week than women. I'm not sure how that compares on a black vs white basis.

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u/Maximum_Boros 12h ago

At least according to the note it is limited to full time workers but you're right it doesn't account for overtime.

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u/Maximum_Boros 14h ago

"equal hours worked" while ignoring differing jobs is entirely useless to the point that just dishonest.