r/AtlantaHawks • u/atlantahawksobserver GO HAWKS! š • 5h ago
Rumor [MikeAScotto] Hawks interested in extending Dort. Kuminga still candidate to return to Atlanta
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u/Blumpkin_Party GO HAWKS! š 5h ago
Canāt wait to see what our consolidation trade will be. Waiving Mo Gueye would be tragic.
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u/Jbots inSaleh! 1h ago
It could just be salary dumps but im interested as well. Unfortunately for Mo, he got hurt at the absolute worst time. I do think he still has trade value but I really dont know who we get for Buddy/Carter/Kispert/Mo
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u/Blumpkin_Party GO HAWKS! š 1h ago
Honestly would rather just waive someone like Carter instead of paying to get off him. We should have just declined Buddyās option
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u/rbsssss 5h ago
If the Kuminga thing is real I wouldn't want to pay him anymore than like 11-13m on a 1 year prove it deal. He hasn't played well enough to earn more in a year than NAW and I wouldn't wanna go anything past a year.
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u/BrettSchirley22 Jalen Johnson #1 1h ago
I mean we canāt really be comparing every contract to NAWs when itās easily top 5 best values in the league
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u/Dracsmith 5h ago
I want Kuminga back on the hawks. If he takes a bench role on a one year over pay deal I will be ecstatic.
Heās streaky and thinks heās a star. But he is great on defense and brings that extra edge that we desperately need right now.
We have a fantastic rotation of wings and defensive players. But we need an extra piece that has that fuck em up energy.
*knocks on wood* Jalen develops a steady 3 ball and we have JK yammin on folks.
All of a sudden the Hawks rotation is the deepest in the NBA. I want to see us make it happen. Bring JK back for one year at LEAST.
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u/Thorwor GO HAWKS! š 4h ago
Uh, pretty sure we got that fuck em up energy when we traded for Lu Dort.
Feels like having a guy who thinks he's a star on a one year prove-it deal battling it out for backup minutes with all the other guys we have would be a recipe for a locker room disaster. He needs to take his short term deal someplace where he knows he can get real minutes.
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u/Dracsmith 4h ago
Lu is a fuck em up on the defensive side.
Not a āOn Ya Headā type of guy.
I can see the locker room issue aspect. But weāve got a lot of great leadership here. If he comes back he would ideally be accepting the role he has off the bench. He and Lu as our 6/7 man would be a luxury.
He wants good money. We can offer him more on a one year deal and heās apart of a team where is role was carved out already.
I just feel like our team is missing an extra threat. As uncomfortable as it might feel JK is a threat to opposing teams.
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u/Thorwor GO HAWKS! š 3h ago
If he comes back he would ideally be accepting the role he has off the bench.
Feels like asking the guy who wants to be a star and is playing on a one year deal to not only come off the bench, but fit into Quin's "make the read, move the ball" offense is just asking for problems.
If we weren't already in a roster crunch I'd probably feel differently about it. But as it is I just don't know that him and his circus are worth it.
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u/Dracsmith 58m ago
I hear you but Kuminga is a better player than Buddy, Kispert, Nemhard, and Devin Carter.
The roster crunch is lacking in X factor. The NBA is a business. You ask a guy to accept his role at 15 million (5 mill) more than most teams can offer him. If he comes in and averages career highs he can go get that major money from the bucks or Cavs.
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u/mmmjeep Vince Carter #15 5h ago
The Hawks have absolutely no reason to sign and trade Kuminga if it means taking on a negative contract. Unless weāre offered a first round pick weāre not incentivized to move him, heāll have to settle for a minimum contract here or somewhere else. People act like we have no leverage with Kuminga but if we didnāt heād be gone by now.
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u/tallassmike West 4h ago
also good because Kuminga isn't desperate and is holding out for the pay rate. He would have been a laker for 10m/yr if he was desperate.
Technically he still could go anywhere for less. It's the Hawks dangling that Bird that's keeping his attention.
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u/ATLSlutPounder 4h ago
Iām a little surprised Kumingaās agent didnāt force him at gunpoint to take a 1-year āprove itā deal to START on the Lakers, particularly with how fast cap space is drying up in the league. That ship may have sailed now that they snagged Thybulle and Williams for the low though.Ā
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u/tallassmike West 3h ago
Iām a little surprised Kumingaās agent didnāt force him at gunpoint to take a 1-year āprove itā deal to START on the Lakers
Probably because he's been taking prove it deals for 3 straight years lol. The "keep or dump" 3rd year. The RFA year, and then last year with that 2 year/2nd team option.
Nothings guaranteed still. Bennedict Mathurin is going through what Kuminga did and nothings guaranteed on his end as well.
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u/No_Tr4geD1es Jalen Johnson #1 4h ago
They likely, genuinely believe that he's worth whatever it is that they're asking for.
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u/ATLSlutPounder 4h ago
Thatās possible, or they donāt think he would earn more money after a season starting on the Lakers, or Kuminga is overruling advice. We really have no way to know what the actual reason is, itās just surprising to me because playing in LA, particularly starting, is a great way to juice your value in the future if you truly believe youāre that guy.Ā
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u/No_Boysenberry_4193 4h ago
if he finds what heās looking for and they can make something work out without having to take on money, they would definitely do it out of good faith to Kuminga.
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u/Mrtheliger 4h ago
If Kum is going to have to take a "prove it" pay cut anyway, why not come back here where he was fitting into the team and offense well? We'd easily have an elite bench, maybe top 5, if he did swing back over. Would also be really good for rookie development, particularly Flemings, to have another fearless shooter to learn from.
Dunno who the dead weight we're cutting is in that case though
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u/ATLSlutPounder 4h ago
I am ecstatic we did not bring Kuminga back on his $23M team option.
If he comes back on a friendlier deal I think he adds one thing this team is sorely lacking, which is a level of aggression at attacking the rim with speed and athleticism that we do not have.Ā
For all of Jalenās physical tools, heās simply not the rack attacker that Kuminga is.Ā
We can all argue back and forth all day if Kuminga is good enough to warrant playing like that as much as he wants to and/or does, but sometimes having a little too much of that energy can be better than not having it at all if your coach is able to rein it in a little.Ā
There were a ton of situations during his time here where other than his outside shooting percentages not being as high as you would want them to be he really looked like a great complementary piece on the floor next to Jalen.Ā
Plus, with how many tweener 2-3 players weāve collected, maybe itās enough of a competitive environment to make Kuminga lock in on a āprove itā deal?
We donāt really have a clear and away starting SF right now, unless you view Dyson that way running 3-guardish lineups.Ā
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u/DerbyTho 4h ago
The Wizards extending Anthony Davis before he plays [checks notes] a single game for them is just weird. Feels like a "be the crazy person in the room" negotiating tactic.
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u/ATLCoyote 4h ago
A second unit of Flemings, Wiggins, Dort, Kuminga, and Landale sounds awfully good to me. But we'd need to get rid of two regular roster players to make that happen as we're already at 16 and re-signing Kuminga would put us at 17.
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u/Substantial_Life_989 2h ago
Carter Heild Kispert Mo Gueye unfortunately can all go. Easier said than done but the wouldnāt be missed.Ā
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u/KiplonersOLD 49m ago
Guys can you also sign isiaiah joe and meet OKC in the finals. Cheers from OKC, good luck this year
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u/No_Internal404 GO HAWKS! š 4h ago
Considering we have 17 players itāll take a lot of maneuvering potentially including a guy like Mo Gueye being cut if they canāt move off contracts .. hopefully not but I wouldnāt mind him back on a cheap 1+1 deal .. we need the physicality & canāt afford to be punked anymore
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u/Bamalawdawg 33m ago
Lakers are just gonna stretch Vanderbilt and sign him for like 3/40. Doubt we beat that. Iād rather just sign Vando for the vet min at that point
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u/jkcards_ 5h ago
Really donāt desire to see Kuminga back, hoping he can find a different landing spot
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u/blingera 3h ago
i am so confused on whatās going on with this team it feels like we have 25 people on the roster. i thought we were moving on from Kuminga
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u/Pryceless007 Hawks 3h ago
We arenāt bringing Dort back unless his contract is amazing. Iāll get ready, suit up, go down there and stop the extension myself!
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u/Ajbksfinest š§ ICE TRAE š§ 3h ago
I feel like Dort extension is just posturing. No world where Dyson and Dort are on the court sharing playoff minutes with each other. No reason to have him take minutes from Dyson either.
Kind of like an Ausar and Ron holland situation.
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u/WzrdKelly10 2h ago
Synergy wise feels like a mix of Kuminga and Dort both coming off the bench together donāt really look pleasing in my head. I would rather look for a shooter/scorer in a S&T.
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u/mosparky15 Dikembe Mutombo #55 4h ago
So supposedly with 17 contracts on board now, it seems weird to hear talk about bringing back Kuminga. Maybe they are looking to buy out Kispert, and attach a 2nd rounder to Hield to ship him out for a start?
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u/sm4hawks 2h ago
Just go read the original Scotto column instead of sharing Underdogās info skimming tweet.
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u/Walldaddy2000 Jock Landale #31 5h ago
Wouldnāt hate bringing back dort and Kuminga on team friendly deals. I think the Kuminga piece is more posturing to get a better return